giving up

fits

My Nokia 925 is gone buggy as hell lately. And the latest news that Here maps will no longer be supported is final nail in coffin. Think I'm gonna move to apple. Stopped using the surface a year ago.

Anyone else just fed up with windows now?

ablelocks

getting there, but will hold out till early next year to see what happens. very happy with my surface and 1020 so no real need to change ... yet. nearly 2 years with the 1020 and it's the longest i've ever had the same phone for...although i do find myself reaching for kids or wife's idevices for some apps.

updating to windows 10 will keep the "must change to new shiny gadget" feeling at bay for a while - installed win10 on a laptop yesterday and it's like having a new one to set-up and play with again...reading mjohnstons posts helps too - he's the optimistic dan for windows phone...

AnCatDubh

fits wrote: »

And the latest news that Here maps will no longer be supported is final nail in coffin.

This, on Windows 10 only. 8x phones will continue to have here drive available.

I am a big fan of Here Drive navigation and too was disappointed when I read about it. However, I have just finished using a Lumia 650 on trial with Windows 10, no Here maps - just Windows Maps for navigation, and to be honest Windows Maps is superior in lots of ways.

At the same time as the Here Drive announcement stopping on Windows 10 by Here, Microsoft made its own announcement that they are rolling out updates to Windows Maps with additional features becoming available and updates to the user interface.

I particularly like that Windows 10 maps introduces lane assist, alternate routes, reroute capability, satellite imagery view, and a few other tricks like repeat direction instructions by a screen tap if using voice assist. Overall, IMHO its a better product. In fairness to Here Drive which I am now back to using, it keeps everything really clear for hassle free [safe] driving. I gather that the Windows Maps update will make some positive changes with regards to this in Windows 10. Windows Maps is built on the Here platform so it feels familiar too.

I'm only offering that as words of consolation. In overall terms I think its a shame and a disappointment to see Here pull their product. A virtue was made of them not selling out (the company) to google or apple but being taken over by a European car manufacturer consortium, and stopping developing on Windows Platform kinda says "Guys, we are just the same as everyone else - we produce an apple product that is cute, and an android one that will run on any manufacturers device (Well, kinda) - to greater or lesser extents". I understand that they are commercial and that the market may not be as large but was disappointed to see the announcement as I thought their direction which they made a great plaudits of would keep them free minded and more widely available. Concentrating on these two platforms only, which are already crowded with navigation apps, may be a difficult sell even to a vastly greater market. They are probably now lucky that the car manufacturers consortium are propping them up, and are likely to continue to do so. Anyhow, who cares what I think (rhetorical folks, rhetorical )

Buttros

Starting to consider moving after 4 years on windows phones. 820 followed by 930. Too many issues and my patience is waning. Was always of the view that it would eventually come good and the apps would come. Not sure anymore. Contract up in July and will have to have a think about it.

corcaigh07

Maps is one of the best things about Windows Phone! I wouldn't be leaving because of HERE leaving.

yosser hughes

I left Windows Phone in January. I held out for a few years, hoping things would improve. Bit the bullet and I don't regret it. Got an android.

MJohnston

Nah, as much as there is frustration for me for what Microsoft aren't giving the wider market, I'm very happy with W10 on my Lumia 950XL. That said, I'm not a Snapchat using type, I just want three things from my phone (1) a good camera (2) "just works" (3) a good web browser, and I have all 3 of those.

Can't stand iOS as it's too static and bland looking, and I've tried Android numerous times over the years (including a couple of weeks ago with Cyanogen Marshmallow) and it is just too complex for my tastes, and I find Samsung's hardware really unappealing.

All that plus with a household of an Xbox One, a Surface, two Bands, and a W10 media server, W10 Mobile still makes the most sense for me in terms of interoperability.

InTheTrees

I had a Lumia 900 for almost three years and now a 950.

And after all that time I'm really really close to switching back to iphones because the windows mobile experience is just getting worse not better.

I love the user interface, i just wish the OS was finished but its still a work in progress and I dont know how much longer my patience will hold.

My old 900 was the sturdiest most reliable piece of electronics I think i've ever owned, now I have this flimsy 950 with its buggy OS...

Grr.

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Do-more

On the verge of giving up now.

I've been waiting for the OS to catch up with the competitors since WP7 but the gap seems to keep growing rather than shrink, it's always a case of "just wait another few months, it will all be sorted when...."

But now it's crunch time, I currently have a 640 XL dual sim, 2 weeks ago I sent it for a warranty claim due to a burn in mark in the top right hand corner of the screen, a well documented problem with the 640 XL. After waiting a week I got a reply from the service centre with my three options.

Scrapping the phone would cost me nothing!

Having it returned to me un-repaired would cost approx €50 or

Have the screen replaced at a cost of approx. €150!

Needless to say I hit the roof and immediately replied with links to multiple examples of the exact same problem on both Windows Central and the Microsoft community.

A week later having had no reply I phoned the service centre today to find out what the progress on my claim was. "Nothing" was the answer. They then pointed out that the shell case on the phone was cracked implying that it it had been mistreated. Another common fault with the 640 XL due to the poor quality of the materials used, my suggestion that they could add the case to my warranty claim wasn't so well received either.

So now finally they are going to contact Microsoft for a decision on the screen.

If it is rejected I will be taking the "scrape for free" option never to purchase a Windows phone again....

It would be a pity because I do like lots about Windows mobile but the frustrations particularly with the browser, Edge hasn't done much to solve them, just make it a pain for me on a daily basis.

[edit] Just had a mail to say that they will after all replace the screen under warranty. So I guess I'll be hanging on to Windows at least until my next scheduled change of phone.

bidiots

MJohnston wrote: »

Nah, as much as there is frustration for me for what Microsoft aren't giving the wider market, I'm very happy with W10 on my Lumia 950XL. That said, I'm not a Snapchat using type, I just want three things from my phone (1) a good camera (2) "just works" (3) a good web browser, and I have all 3 of those.

Can't stand iOS as it's too static and bland looking, and I've tried Android numerous times over the years (including a couple of weeks ago with Cyanogen Marshmallow) and it is just too complex for my tastes, and I find Samsung's hardware really unappealing.

All that plus with a household of an Xbox One, a Surface, two Bands, and a W10 media server, W10 Mobile still makes the most sense for me in terms of interoperability.

Tbf, your 123 is covered pretty well by ios too

OldMrBrennan83

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TBi

Do-more wrote: »

Needless to say I hit the roof and immediately replied with links to multiple examples of the exact same problem on both Windows Central and the Microsoft community.

It's amazing the difference in Apple care (that i've seen). I returned an iPhone 4S once because i thought the colour on the screen was a bit off and they just sent me a brand new phone. That was before i'd sent the original one back! I got the new phone, put the old one in the box and sent it back after.

In a way you are paying for the service but it's great peace of mind. While in Milan i noticed dirt on my iPhone 5 camera and in the apple store there they also gave me a brand new phone.

At the moment i have a samsung (for my sins) and i'd hate to have to deal with their return policy.

I'm half thinking of moving back to iPhone with the SE. I much prefer smaller phones but i'm not sure i could go back to them.

My company changed from windows phone to iphone. The lumia 925 had its issues, but the iphone is a frustrating dog in comparison (just works? Swipe to answer works only 90% of the time. Microphone stopped working at 2 months old. Need to take a course to get files on and off). Get android if you can't keep windows.

evolutionqy7

Meh gave up on Windows Phone years ago.

I loved the UI and how it works, but was a bit buggy, not fully there on features.

However, wouldn't change my surface for anything. While it tends to get buggy as hell at times, simple reset normally does the trick.

It can do a whole lot more as a tablet/laptop device compared to iPad/Android tablets.

JimsAlterEgo

have only really used WP as a smartphone, getting frustrated but from what I hear the grass isn't any greener on IOS or Android?

Kamili

I've got a 640XL - its buggy as hell. Its a known issue with the phone itself.
Notifications don't work, third party apps are just slow and the web browser is just painful and buggy.
MS own apps hang and crash on it.
the wifi on it is poor compared to my 920, which happily connects to any wifi and works away
Both are running 8.1

Seriously considering bailing at this stage as there are no apps, no sign of WP10 and sounds like that isn't much better anyway.

Fingleberries

Looks like one of the bigger tech bloggers that focuses on all things Microsoft (Mary Jo Foley) has switched from Windows Phone to Android, going for a Nexus handset.

Admittedly she has the Lumia Icon (a Verizon-only handset) because she is with Verizon and that won't be getting Windows 10 Mobile - although she doesn't like Windows 10 Mobile in it's current state, she preferred WP8.1. She reckons she could be tempted back by a Surface phone, if such a thing ever saw the light of day.

Kamili

judging by the WP10 fiasco I doubt the surface phone will be on its way anytime soon.

Antar Bolaeisk

They need to fix the OS before they worry about releasing the next batch of phones. Get windows 10 workable on current mobile devices then come out with the new shinnies. Microsoft have really hurt themselves with the current batch, it did seem like there was a trend upwards with 8.1 and it was starting to become a mature, everyday mobile os but the damage of windows 10 I think has pretty much killed the lumia brand.

Inquitus

I am calling it, "Windows Phone, time of death, 18:00GMT, Friday 22nd April.

Only 2.3 million devices sold in the last quarter, it will never recover from that. Sad to see this as the end of the road for the once great Nokia tradition, they had a couple of chances to embrace Android along the way and no doubt have saved the company, but alas made bad choices, Symbian, Windows Mobile, at every turn.

In nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti!

http://www.engadget.com/2016/04/22/microsoft-mobile-timeline/

evolutionqy7

Inquitus wrote: »

I am calling it, "Windows Phone, time of death, 18:00GMT, Friday 22nd April.

Only 2.3 million devices sold in the last quarter, it will never recover from that. Sad to see this as the end of the road for the once great Nokia tradition, they had a couple of chances to embrace Android along the way and no doubt have saved the company, but alas made bad choices, Symbian, Windows Mobile, at every turn.

In nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti!

http://www.engadget.com/2016/04/22/microsoft-mobile-timeline/

I think that's a slightly incomplete timeline on actual windows mobile life.
But regardless, yes. They had a chance with Windows Phone 7 to put a **** laod of resources into it and get it off the ground, while Android was still in its infancy.

Then they screwed up by not updating and implementing features taken for granted on iOS and Android for a very long time

And their shift from 6.5 to 7 and then to 8 with abandoning all the apps and all the users with EOL hardware was a nail in the coffin.

Considering those users who did have WP7, were the only advocates of the OS and no one else actually liked it...

Tomk1

The problem with windows phone was/is Microsoft-corp

Kamili

Starting to have massive issues with my 640 XL now. Really losing the plot, its actually becoming unusable.

Sound stopped working randomly so the alarms didn't sound but popped up on the screen. Reboot fixed it.

I don't use the facebook app, cos its so bad so use ie instead on the mobile site. It formats it weird so its pretty unreadable, anyone else with this issue? Its infuriating. Example attached

fits

I have same issue with fb on ie. And yes its infuriating.

IRL-Tony

Kamili wrote: »

Starting to have massive issues with my 640 XL now. Really losing the plot, its actually becoming unusable.

Sound stopped working randomly so the alarms didn't sound but popped up on the screen. Reboot fixed it.

I don't use the facebook app, cos its so bad so use ie instead on the mobile site. It formats it weird so its pretty unreadable, anyone else with this issue? Its infuriating. Example attached

Add your reply here.


I get the same carry-on with FB on my L830.
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Kamili

Is it me of has the FB issue just gotten worse over the last few days? Normally,a refresh would clear it, but its not working...

Getting tired of the constant bugs.

evolutionqy7

Kamili wrote: »

Is it me of has the FB issue just gotten worse over the last few days? Normally,a refresh would clear it, but its not working...

Getting tired of the constant bugs.

Too be fair, Facebook on windows phone has been a mess since windows phone 7.

When I say Facebook I am referring to the app and the website from my experience on it on Windows Phone 7 and WP8.

Kamili

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

Too be fair, Facebook on windows phone has been a mess since windows phone 7.

When I say Facebook I am referring to the app and the website from my experience on it on Windows Phone 7 and WP8.

Yep I have to agree there, its consistently bad on all WP platforms.

I tried downloading other browsers to try it on opera worked ok, then did the same as IE. Maxthon so far works ok, but notifications tab wont open.

There is no winning.

Can anyone recommend a decent not too expensive android phone? :P

Edit: Maxthon has followed suit and is no longer working.

That's it, I'm out, WP is useless

FGR

I was a big supported of Windows Phone 7.5 and 7.8 but since then MS has been too focused on pushing Windows 10 and trying to make it a universal system.

Tbf I can see where they're coming from; but at the same time I think they caused more damage to Windows Phone by forcing so many updates in such a short period of time. I loved how 7.5/7.8 just worked. It was fast, fluid and bar the bugs you'd see on nearly every phone I was quite happy with it.

The reason I switched? Like most people - the lack of apps. It's a shame that Google didn't want to support the service and others barely release an app and don't follow through with updates. Variety and choice is phone OS is a great thing but those arguments, in conjunction with the changes MS are forcing on WP I reckon the three horse race will eventually be down to two.

InTheTrees

I'm back on board until the Autumn when the new iphone7 comes out.

If they dont get their act together by then, then i will certainly be out.

KCAccidental

I left WP ages ago, got sick of the lack of apps (android have a lot of filmmaking tools which are very handy in production). Unfortunately I dropped my Huawei G7 in water so am back on my old 535 with 8.1. Absolutely woeful in comparison (i know 535 is a budget model admittedly) though. Very buggy now and the main apps I use (FB, Spotify, Guardian) are constantly crashing or not even starting.

I used to really like WP, but now I can't wait to get back to android.

Keplar240B

i imagine the decision to cut one drive from 30 to 5 GB of free space is going to be a big negative.

fifth

I'm using iOS since the iPhone 4 (before that Nokia N900, N97, N95), currently using an iPhone 6 Plus.

And today I bought a Lumia 640 LTE. Should have it by friday. It's strange reading this thread and everyone talking about leaving when I'm just getting on board. I am really just trying out the platform and making my own informed judgement about it, to be fair to it.

And I have an Xbox One which I quite like, so there's that.

FGR

fifth wrote: »

And I have an Xbox One which I quite like, so there's that.

This is why I wanted to buy into Windows Phone - to make the most of the shared ecosystem between phone, xbox and pc. While the Xbox and PC operating systems are pretty good the phone OS is seriously let down by these limitations.

MS used to seriously push this format - but it looks like their efforts are dying down as of late.

IRL-Tony

@fifth,

The L640 is quite a good device ... good luck!

alwaysadub

Am on my 3rd Windows phone-have the Lumia 640XL at the minute- and am seriously considering moving to Android after 5 or so years with WP. Lack of apps don't bother me too much, have a Nexus tablet so have all the other apps I need on it. But the apps I do have, and lack of support for them, are what's making me want to change.

Have the same problem as above with Facebook on the browser, my Facebook app doesn't want to give me my most recent feed half the time. Had to do a hard reset of the phone not so long ago as the app wouldn't update or open due to some error and resetting the phone was the only answer Microsoft had to fix it. Now the same has happened to my Twitter app.

I love the ease and personalization of WP but I think its finally time to admit defeat and move on.

IRL-Tony

I'm only guessing this; that Windows Mobile can only get better rather than worse .................. so, if you (and I) have stuck with them this long; then we may aswell wait til they get the Anniversary edition of W10 launched & the bugs ironed out ............................ then, if that's still **** ... goodbye.

TBi

IRL-Tony wrote: »

that Windows Mobile can only get better rather than worse

They've had years to get better, 7 - 8 was an improvement but it seems all downhill from 8 - 10.

Buttros

I've finally bitten the bullet. Battery gone to crap (phone issue with my 930 more than wp10 probably) Spotify now won't start most of the time. Can't always send emails and a couple other regularly used apps becoming even less reliable.

Browsed the Chinese androids thread for ideas and have ordered a Xiaomi Mi 5.

Worst thing is ill have a few friends slagging me about how I said windows phones were better etc etc 😭

TBi

Buttros wrote: »

Worst thing is ill have a few friends slagging me about how I said windows phones were better etc etc 😭

Well, to be fair, they were better.

TBi

TBi wrote: »

Well, to be fair, they were better.

And if facebook is not important, still better. May be they should be seen as a business user phone.

corcaigh07

I've given up as well. Switched to iOS with the Carphone Warehouse iPhone 5s deal on 3. Even though the 5s is a lot worse on paper than the 930, it's such a relief to be using a phone that just works well, no quirks, no drama. I love it.

CatInABox

Just got a nexus 5x for £270, have been loving a solid platform with loads of apps. A sad day, I'll always miss my start screen.

Kamili

Buttros wrote: »

Browsed the Chinese androids thread for ideas and have ordered a Xiaomi Mi 5.

Worst thing is ill have a few friends slagging me about how I said windows phones were better etc etc 😭

I must look at that thread.

+1 on the friends thing too

Do-more

After having to fight to get the screen on my 640XL replaced under warranty the bloody thing has got lost in the post on the way back to me. Been waiting weeks now while the post office try to find it and for the last week I have been using a 1st Gen Moto G whilst not perfect is miles better than the 640XL on Win10 particularly for browsing which is what I use the phone most for during the day.

Depending on how much the insurance pays out I will probably go for either a One plus X or a Wiley Fox Swift.

Windows Mobile just isn't at the races, the perpetual "wait just 3 more months, the next update will fix everything" just doesn't cut it any more.

Perhaps if the hardware allows for Windows mobile to be a full PC in your pocket things will change but you have to wonder if Intel's decision to abandon the low cost chip sector has put paid to any hope of that in the foreseeable future.

Kamili

I wish I could install android on my 640XL! :P

Down South

More bad news for Windows Phone - the end of Lumia?

http://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-may-have-just-killed-its-lumia-line-good-riddance/?ftag=COS-05-10aaa0b

Antar Bolaeisk

The Lumia brand is dead, the sub-par release of Windows Phone 10 killed it.

I doubt Microsoft will pull out of the phone market though, especially now where they're nearly at a point that their phones are as good or better than most of the other offerings out there. Most likely we'll see the release of the Surface Phone next which in reality will just be the next generation of Lumias.

Kamili

Seems even Microsoft employees are bailing on using their own phones

Francie Barrett

Only 1.2M Lumia phones were sold in the last quarter - http://www.gsmarena.com/microsoft_only_sold_around_12_million_lumia_phones_in_the_april_to_june_quarter-news-19693.php

Don't walk, run away from Windows phones.

beauf

And more....

http://arstechnica.com/business/2016/07/microsoft-2850-job-cuts-windows-phone-sales-nokia/

I've a Android phone now alongside my Windows Phone. Really think the WP OS is vastly better. But its just too unreliable. I can see myself moving from Android to Apple though. I just don't like the OS.