Dublin to Galway

wofias8

Is there any flights from Dublin to Galway and vice versa?

protog777

wofias8 wrote: »

Is there any flights from Dublin to Galway and vice versa?

Not sure. Aer arann ceased operations there in 2011

wofias8

protog777 wrote: »

Not sure. Aer arann ceased operations there in 2011

Yeah I seen that I was just wondering if there was any other airlines doing it as I can't seem to find any.

gerard2210

No. Galway airport is only used for private planes flying clubs now.

Pat Dunne

wofias8 wrote: »

Is there any flights from Dublin to Galway and vice versa?

Currently there are no commercial airlines operating scheduled flights between DUB & GWY.
The last commercial scheduled service (operated by Aer Arann) ceased in 2011.

JCX BXC

Galway airport doesn't have commercial flights at all and will likely never have again.

As above, its private jets only.

Gaoth Laidir

Carnacalla wrote: »

Galway airport doesn't have commercial flights at all and will likely never have again.

As above, its private jets only.

Not only jets. All types of private aircraft.

pepe the prawn

If it's a medical/priority flight, it may be worth your while looking into chartering a helicopter from Executive helicopters for example. Or maybe approach someone in Galway flying club, who may be able to fly you to Weston for a contribution towards fuel etc.

All depends on the urgency/nature of the flight you need really.

notharrypotter

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Not only jets. All types of private aircraft.

Nope Aero club or other based aircraft only permitted to operate.

NOTAM C0002/16 refers.

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GALWAY AERODROME NOT LICENSED.
PROVISIONS FOR THE OPERATION OF BASED CLUB AIRCRAFT MAY STILL OPERATE AT THE AERODROME
16 FEB 2016 13:03
FROM:16 APR 2016 23:00 EST


They will make an exception for caravans but not C208 type.

Chris_5339762

At the end of the day its about a 2hr drive so by the time you get to any airport (even Weston etc) and fly to Galway it really really isn't worth it.

JCX BXC

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

At the end of the day its about a 2hr drive so by the time you get to any airport (even Weston etc) and fly to Galway it really really isn't worth it.

It could be argued that for connections through DUB is worth it, but besides that you're correct.

Even if you don't drive, the bus and rail connections to DUB are great anyway.

munchkin_utd

Carnacalla wrote: »

It could be argued that for connections through DUB is worth it, but besides that you're correct.

Even if you don't drive, the bus and rail connections to DUB are great anyway.

nope, even when there was a flight, it was COMPLETELY useless as your arriving aer lingus flight did not allow you to transfer onto the aer arran and if you had luggage you had to go and checkin again.
So, grand if you have half a day to spare between flights (in which case a bus is just as quick) but not so if you have barely an hour to spare and have to re-do checkin and security at Dublin airport.
You could get a connection forced through via a travel agent, but you can just double the price of the flight, meaning you aren't going to do it.

Pity, as the previous 22:15 Dublin-Galway flight (which you walked tantalisingly past on arrival on a Friday evening, having already decided to stay overnight before making the trip the next morning to Galway) had heaps of connections possible from the late evening arrivals from UK/ the continent.

Gaoth Laidir

What about Etihad offering flights from e.g. Kerry to Abu Dhabi via DUB? Couldn't Galway flights be routed similarly without having to re-check in?

JCX BXC

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

What about Etihad offering flights from e.g. Kerry to Abu Dhabi via DUB? Couldn't Galway flights be routed similarly without having to re-check in?

They could, which was my point, forget the old service and how it was that's completely irrelevant.

Anyway we really are working on fantasy land, this route would never be launched without a PSO scheme, which will never happen considering the rail and motorway connections to DUB currently.

Irish Steve

With the current state of local hostilities over the future of the airport, I will be surprised to see any commercial services at Galway going forward. There were so many issues and problems there that got in the way of a viable service operation, and even if those issues could be overcome, there are also issues with the infrastructure of the airport that will serve to discourage operators from using the place. The runway length and width are "limiting", and the approach from the west was problematic due to the Mast at the telephone exchange, although that improved in later years, it was a major problem in the days of NDB DME approaches.

The other massive factor is the reduction in journey time to Dublin, a long time ago now I was up and down to Galway by road on a regular basis for a while, and it was a good day if you got to the airport in under 3 and a half hours, and it varied depending on the day and time that was in it, with the motorway now in place, that's changed beyond recognition.

Galway airport could have survived, but not with the management structure and attitudes that were in place, and the level of hostility between the local authority and the airport is also a significant issue. The idea of a Galway City airport has only served to poison the mix even more, if some people are to be believed, the existing airport site is likely to be more effective now as part of an industrial park, given how close it is to the motorway, it's ideally placed for industry that's not welcome in urban areas.

The post 9/11 security issues have also made internal flights a lot less attractive, and the absence of interlining from other flights is also a disincentive to restart internal routes, there's no pleasure in having to collect bags at Dublin and recheck for an onward flight.

There was a time when the Galway flights to the UK were reasonably supported, but I don't know if that would work now, with the changes that have happened across the industry, and it's moot now anyway, given that Galway politics seem determined to consign the airport to history.

Shannon757

Could you not just get a flight from Dublin to Kerry and drive to Galway if you really want to fly.

Aerohead

Shannon757 wrote: »

Could you not just get a flight from Dublin to Kerry and drive to Galway if you really want to fly.

Or Shannon in Aer Lingus

Irish Steve

There are NO internal Dublin Shannon flights any more. not supported well enough by the local communities, and with the end of the (absurd) Shannon stopover for Transatlantic flights, even the ATR flights couldn't be made to succeed.

The reality is that (in the same way as Galway), the Motorway has made DUB SNN flights a lot less attractive than they used to be, and adding the aggravation of airport security, and the time to get to the relevant airport, road, (even by public transport) is a lot cheaper, and there's very little in it time wise.

JCX BXC

Aerohead wrote: »

Or Shannon in Aer Lingus

You haven't been able to fly SNN-DUB in YEARS. Even longer than the GWY-DUB service has been gone.

Gaoth Laidir

Irish Steve wrote: »

There was a time when the Galway flights to the UK were reasonably supported, but I don't know if that would work now, with the changes that have happened across the industry, and it's moot now anyway, given that Galway politics seem determined to consign the airport to history.

I cannot see how flights to the UK could not be made work, if they would just get the finger out. You ask any tourist who comes to Dublin where else they want to see and they'll tell you Galway. Now I'm sure a sizeable percentage of tourists who are in Dublin have been there before at some point, so given the option to fly directly to Galway instead of having to land in DUB or SNN on their next visit they would jump at it. What similar cities in the UK do not have some sort of airport serving it? Look at Exeter. It is roughly the same driving time from Bristol Airport as Galway is from Shannon. It is about the same from Bournemouth as Galway is from Dublin.

JCX BXC

Key here is population and choice of airline. People who fly say MAN-DUB/SNN and wish to go to galway, mostly wish to do so with a price limit. When flights to the UK operated from GWY I can remember the prices being charged close to extortion.

Irish Steve

All I can say in respect of "they", ask yourself why Aer Arran, which was Galway based, ended up moving it's entire management operation to Dublin, and moving out of the maintenance hangar as well. Aer Arran Island had abandoned Galway years earlier, for "political" reasons.

I spent 6 months working at Galway pre Aer Arran, and it wasn't exactly a good experience, due to local politics, and from what I've heard since, it didn't improve.

"They" needs to be defined, an airline will only look at operating to Galway if they can be sure of a stable airport, and right now, it is NOT stable, the likely future if Galway councils have their way is as some form of industrial complex, or a film complex, they seem to be determined that the existing site will not operate as an airport again.

No airline is going to even think of putting money into that sort of scenario, and rightly so.

Gaoth Laidir

Irish Steve wrote: »

All I can say in respect of "they", ask yourself why Aer Arran, which was Galway based, ended up moving it's entire management operation to Dublin, and moving out of the maintenance hangar as well. Aer Arran Island had abandoned Galway years earlier, for "political" reasons.

I spent 6 months working at Galway pre Aer Arran, and it wasn't exactly a good experience, due to local politics, and from what I've heard since, it didn't improve.

"They" needs to be defined, an airline will only look at operating to Galway if they can be sure of a stable airport, and right now, it is NOT stable, the likely future if Galway councils have their way is as some form of industrial complex, or a film complex, they seem to be determined that the existing site will not operate as an airport again.

No airline is going to even think of putting money into that sort of scenario, and rightly so.

Exactly, hence why I said "if they could just get the finger out". I'm not talking about the situation as it is, I'm talking about how it could be! IF the búllshít could be done away with (a big IF) then I'm sure there could be the numbers to make it work. How does Waterford do it?

Aerohead

Hard to believe that at one time Aer Arann had four aircraft based in Galway, when you have a Taoiseach from Mayo Galway was going to be in the firing line, they were looking for 100k grant to remain open and the then Minister leo Varadkar was on local radio and I well remember his words " Galway Airport is gone forget about it and move on" you have a motorway, you have a train to Dublin and buses, that same week he gave Waterford 400k to extend their runway even though they were in the same position as Galway having lost Aer Arann flights and they have a motorway to Dublin trains and buses, Galway was a political decision in favour of Knock because of Enda Kenny coming from Mayo and with no Minister in the West you could not win.

I agree with some posters here about Galway City and County Councils they don't have a clue about the value of having an Airport so close to the City, when it re-opened the first flights in were all aircraft that belong to companies operating in Galway, they are a useless bunch in the Councils, if it never had commercial flights again at least if it was open for the private and business flights who knows what could happen in time.

JCX BXC

Or maybe, just maybe, it wasn't the conspiracy that you suggest, but more the fact that

1. There's no need for a small galway airport that can only handle turboprops, with 2 far larger airports within an hour.

2. No airlines would be willing to fly to GWY, look at the trouble Waterford had getting an airline to operate turboprop services from there

3. Knock can and does handle large jet aircraft such as the A320 and B737, which allow low cost services, which is realistically what the majority of the market to the UK is.

4. Aer Arran, without government intervention pulled completely out of galway and focused on the larger Dublin airport. Nowdays they are almost solely Dublin focused.

Gaoth Laidir

When you look at the number of huge multinationals located literally across the fence from the airport you'd really wonder what planet those people were on in letting the airport go. Many of these companies are based in the US west coast so a flight to Galway via say London or MAN would suit them down to the ground. As it is they're stuck with either limited flight options to Shannon or a 2-hr+ bus trip or rental car from DUB.

JCX BXC

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

When you look at the number of huge multinationals located literally across the fence from the airport you'd really wonder what planet those people were on in letting the airport go. Many of these companies are based in the US west coast so a flight to Galway via say London or MAN would suit them down to the ground. As it is they're stuck with either limited flight options to Shannon or a 2-hr+ bus trip or rental car from DUB.

We have still far too many airports on the Island of Ireland, it makes very little sence to further dilute the market on the west by opening an airport in galway again. The flight options to the US from Shannon, 45mins away, is not limited in any sence.

Aerohead

In relation to the companies operating here many of the jets came direct to Galway from the US and back again, the likes of Metronic were regular visitors in the past year and were just five minutes from the Airport, they said on the paper that they could fly into Galway from the US have business meetings and fly on to Europe, unreal to think the let this go.

Gaoth Laidir

Carnacalla wrote: »

We have still far too many airports on the Island of Ireland, it makes very little sence to further dilute the market on the west by opening an airport in galway again. The flight options to the US from Shannon, 45mins away, is not limited in any sence.

Far too many? How can Waterford survive while a top tourist and commercial centre like Galway can't? The answer is not in the demographics but in the politics. How does Belfast have 2 airports? How does Derry survive when it's only an hour from Aldergrove and a little more from George Best? Which airports on the Island would you do without?

JCX BXC

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Far too many? How can Waterford survive while a top tourist and commercial centre like Galway can't? The answer is not in the demographics but in the politics. How does Belfast have 2 airports? How does Derry survive when it's only an hour from Aldergrove and a little more from George Best? Which airports on the Island would you do without?

Yes far too many, in an Ideal world KIR, WAT, BHD, LDY and CFN are all scrapped.

Waterford survives because it's so far from ORK and DUB and has fairly largish populations centers nearby, Waterford City, Tramore, Dungarvan, Wexford, Enniscorthy, Clonmel, Kilkenny, Carrick-on Suir, etc.
Kerry and Donegal would likely close tomorrow without the PSO.
Belfast has 2 airports, but it really shouldn't. The two of them playing eachother has lead to millions of passengers choosing DUB over BHD/BFS. Derry is really hanging on by a thread.

GWY would likely destroy the viability of NOC and undermine SNN to an extent. That's if it can get an airline to operate services competing against other services in SNN or NOC, which it won't.

Gaoth Laidir

Carnacalla wrote: »

Yes far too many, in an Ideal world KIR, WAT, BHD, LDY and CFN are all scrapped.

Ideal according to whom? Not to the millions who don't happen to live near the major airports (you live near Shannon, remember. Try living in Killarney or Donegal).

Waterford survives because it's so far from ORK and DUB and has fairly largish populations centers nearby, Waterford City, Tramore, Dungarvan, Wexford, Enniscorthy, Clonmel, Kilkenny, Carrick-on Suir, etc.

All of which together make up the population of Galway and the surrounding region.

Belfast has 2 airports, but it really shouldn't.

Well it does.

The two of them playing eachother has lead to millions of passengers choosing DUB over BHD/BFS. Derry is really hanging on by a thread.

But they're all three hanging on. And I think maybe currency exhange rates have had more to do with the southerly flow of pax to DUB than anything else.

GWY would likely destroy the viability of NOC and undermine SNN to an extent.

So you're agreeing then that Galway would be successful! Let NOC and SNN look out for themselves!

That's if it can get an airline to operate services competing against other services in SNN or NOC, which it won't.

That contradicts your previous point.

JCX BXC

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Ideal according to whom? Not to the millions who don't happen to live near the major airports (you live near Shannon, remember. Try living in Killarney or Donegal).

I live 45mins from Shannon, the same distance as GWY.

All of which together make up the population of Galway and the surrounding region.

Yes, but as I said, the distance from ORK and DUB is key combination.

Well it does.

I am aware, but it still shouldn't for a healthy Belfast market.

But they're all three hanging on. And I think maybe currency exhange rates have had more to do with the southerly flow of pax to DUB than anything else.

BHD and BFS will always hang on, they have millions of passengers every year, but my point was that competition doesn't seem to be helping at all here. LDY is hanging on at the moment, but may not for long as it seems Ryanair's NI interests have gone elsewhere. As for the exchange rate, yes its partially to do with this, but its even when the exchange rate wasn't so favourable millions were flowing to DUB.

So you're agreeing then that Galway would be successful! Let NOC and SNN look out for themselves!

If somehow you managed to get a government fund strong enough to allow the airport operate commercial services again, it would do alot more harm than good.

That contradicts your previous point.

Not at all, I'm stating the above is true if the airport can somehow manage to get an airline, which it won't/

notharrypotter

I am curious by nature.

many of the jets came direct to Galway from the US and back again

Define many?
10 a day?
10 a week?
10 a month?
10 a year?

Sufficient to cover the operating costs of an airport?

When you look at the number of huge multinationals located literally across the fence from the airport

I pass from Oranmore to Claregalway about once a month but maybe I need my eyes tested but where are all these multinationals?

Far too many? How can Waterford survive while a top tourist and commercial centre like Galway can't?

Waterford survives because it's so far from ORK

I would respectively disagree Waterford and Sligo continue in no small part to their ideal location as SAR bases.

Kerry as luck would have is is just far enough from Cork and Shannon to be eligible for state support.

Galway City as indicated is amply supported by convenient airports.

Not to the millions who don't happen to live near the major airports

The census is on the 24th of April.
Population of Ireland will still be less than 5 million.
The EU has deemed 2 hours as been the key criteria for access.
The vast majority will meet this criteria.

All of which together make up the population of Galway and the surrounding region.

Wikipedia has a definition for gerrymandering.



Have we too may Airports?

From Leo Varadker in 2013

If we were to build our airports from scratch, we would not have as many and most of them would be located in a different place, connected to railway lines and motorways and more central to their catchment area.

So you're agreeing then that Galway would be successful!

I would have to disagree with you here.
As a commercial entity with scheduled commercial operations the Monty Python Dead Parrot Sketch applies.

Let NOC and SNN look out for themselves

I think they can, when Galway closed Knock got a significant jump in passenger numbers.

Gaoth Laidir

notharrypotter wrote: »

I pass from Oranmore to Claregalway about once a month but maybe I need my eyes tested but where are all these multinationals?

Medtronic (84,000 employees worldwide, 3000 in Galway Technology Park), Boston Scientific, Merit, SAP, HP, etc...

Gaoth Laidir

notharrypotter wrote: »

The census is on the 24th of April.
Population of Ireland will still be less than 5 million.
The EU has deemed 2 hours as been the key criteria for access.
The vast majority will meet this criteria.

Well the 2011 census had the population as 6.38 million (we're talking about the island of Ireland).

I think they can, when Galway closed Knock got a significant jump in passenger numbers.

And Galway closed why? Because it was run into the ground by politics and bad mangement. As I said, with a clean slate it could punch its weight and market itself as an attractive destination for the UK. Just as Knock has done.

JCX BXC

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

And Galway closed why? Because it was run into the ground by politics and bad mangement. As I said, with a clean slate it could punch its weight and market itself as an attractive destination for the UK. Just as Knock has done.

Galway closed because Aer Arran withdrew all services in October 2011.

Storm 10

Few more US Companies in Galway

Thermo King, Terumo, Stryker, Arsenal Medical, Sapheon and MedCelerate
As far as I know HP,Thermo King, Metronic and Boston Scientific used the Airport there are more US firms in Galway scattered around the place.

Gaoth Laidir

Carnacalla wrote: »

Galway closed because Aer Arran withdrew all services in October 2011.

And this was because of one of the largest economic crashes of the past century. 3 years before that they were carrying over 300,000 pax to/from 16 destinations and the airport was growing faster than any other.

While the riches of the noughties will never be repeated there surely is scope for some of these destinations to open up again.

Zonda999

There is a motorway under construction at the moment linking Gort to Claregalway. According to Google maps, by car, it currently takes 55 minutes to get from Oranmore to Shannon airport, which will probably drop to 45 minutes when the motorway extension is completed.

Galway airport should not re-open. We already have far too many airports on this island. Where we currently have ORK, KIR, SNN, we should have one airport somewhere in the middle, in an ideal world. As has already been said, GWY having regional flights to the UK would really undermine SNN and NOC, and potentially effect viability of flights in a situation where all three are attempting to compete with each other. No offence to Galway but in a general European concept, a population centre of that size (circa 75,000) would be delighted to have an international airport less than one hour away, which Galway already has with SNN. What's more, Google maps tells me than form Oranmore to Dublin airport is just under two hours away also. These airport may not be on their doorstep but in reality Galway is well served.

I wonder sometimes is part of the reason we have so many airports still operating because of relatively poor public transport infrastructure, especially rail transport.

JCX BXC

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

And this was because of one of the largest economic crashes of the past century. 3 years before that they were carrying over 300,000 pax to/from 16 destinations and the airport was growing faster than any other.

While the riches of the noughties will never be repeated there surely is scope for some of these destinations to open up again.

3 years before that the motorway wasn't there.

Aer Arran which are now Stobart air will NOT return, ever. They are completely DUB focused now.

notharrypotter

I think that we have a different understanding as to what "literally across the fence " means.

In Galway city maybe.

3 years before that they were carrying over 300,000 pax to/from 16 destinations and the airport was growing faster than any other.

From same Wikipedia page, Galway airport peaked in 2007.
It had lost 40,000 passengers by the end of 2008.
The M6 final sections did not open till December 2009.
Galway passenger numbers in 2009 100,000 down from peak
By end of 2010 150,000 down on peak.
The Loss of state support both direct and indirect (PSO) spelled the death knell for the airport.

At the same time Shannon peaked at 3.6 Million passengers and Cork hit 3.2 Million it will be a long time before they see that kind of numbers again

surely is scope for some of these destinations to open up again.

Regretfully I must disagree.
The cost of making the current Galway airport useful from a commercial perspective capable of taking the workhorse's of the Low Cost Carrier fleet would be prohibitive.
Its dead Jim, dead Jim, dead Jim.

part of the reason we have so many airports still operating because of relatively poor public transport infrastructure

I would concur.

Gaoth Laidir

notharrypotter wrote: »

I think that we have a different understanding as to what "literally across the fence " means.

In Galway city maybe.

Ok, sorry, Galway Technology Park is 2 fields down, not 1. Across 2 fences, but by no means in the city. The same goes for Ballybane and the other industrial estates in the map. The point still remains that a host of multinationals are within a few minutes' taxi ride from the airport, and over 150,000 people within a half hour's drive.

Forget the PSO routes and Stobart. We're not talking routes to DUB but to London, MAN, etc. that were doing well during well right through the 2000s. FlyBE or someone similar could add these without basing aircraft at Galway. Fly in and fly out.

JCX BXC

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Forget the PSO routes and Stobart. We're not talking routes to DUB but to London, MAN, etc. that were doing well during well right through the 2000s. FlyBE or someone similar could add these without basing aircraft at Galway. Fly in and fly out.

Flybe won't compromise their operations at NOC. Also look what they did at WAT.

It's not feasible whatever way you look at it.

Gaoth Laidir

Carnacalla wrote: »

Flybe won't compromise their operations at NOC. Also look what they did at WAT.

It's not feasible whatever way you look at it.

Do you think FlyBE, given the option, would prefer to fly to NOC or to a more strategically-located like Galway? Yes they fly to Knock because that's the only option. It is a well-managed airport, which does indeed help, but if they a well-managed airport nearer to an actual population centre then I'm sure they would consider it.

JCX BXC

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Do you think FlyBE, given the option, would prefer to fly to NOC or to a more strategically-located like Galway? Yes they fly to Knock because that's the only option. It is a well-managed airport, which does indeed help, but if they a well-managed airport nearer to an actual population centre then I'm sure they would consider it.

Why do Flybe operate to NOC and not SNN? Shannon is near an even larger population centre, yet doesn't have the UK market NOC has.

newcavanman

Local politics and runway lenght seem to be the main problems to me. Without local political support, the airport was alaays going to face an uphill battle. But the clincher is runway size. If you cant accom B737/A320 size aircraft, then the 'real' companies who will actually deliver serious passanger numbers simply wont bother.. The operaring costs of ATRs or DHC8s are only marginally lower than the aforementioned jets, so why would either RYR or EasyJ bother? I love going to Galway and always went to the Salthill show, but I cant see anyway Galway will get proper scheduled services again, unfortunatly

JCX BXC

Runway length can't be extended due to local terrain and geography.

Cosmo Kramer

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Do you think FlyBE, given the option, would prefer to fly to NOC or to a more strategically-located like Galway? Yes they fly to Knock because that's the only option. It is a well-managed airport, which does indeed help, but if they a well-managed airport nearer to an actual population centre then I'm sure they would consider it.

Flybe flew into Galway before - struggled to get loads into double digits apparently - and that was before the motorway opened.

There are loads of arguments that seem logical on first reading as to why there should be an airport in Galway. However, the airport itself did an excellent job over a period of 20+ years of disproving them all. It made huge losses, discounting state support, even in the pre M6 days. As soon as the motorway opened it was finished - nothing to do with politics, other airports or any other conspiracy theories. Indeed it was largely politics that had kept the place going up to that point.

LDY may well be next to go in terms of scheduled services. Ryanair look like they are in the process of decanting to Belfast. If they leave Derry the annual subsidy of around £4 million provided by the local Council to keep the place going will no longer be justifiable to taxpayers and that will be that.

Gaoth Laidir

Why then do FlyBE only fly DCH8S and not their E190s into NOC? The runway issue at Galway is not a factor in that case. I'd they were flying jets into NOC then I would agree, but to fly one to Galway would be still operationally viable.

Re. SNN; that is already very well served by FR and EI so we're not comparing apples with apples.

JCX BXC

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Re. SNN; that is already very well served by FR and EI so we're not comparing apples with apples.

It really isn't. Stobart pulled out in early 2014, leaving the only UK route outside of London to be Manchester. Flybe didn't jump in then, why not? BHX and EDI are back recently, but it's still an underserved market compared to NOC. MAN is also down to only 5pw.

notharrypotter

Why then do FlyBE only fly DCH8S and not their E190s into NOC

from FlyBe wikipedia page:

80 seats versus 120.

Passenger numbers will not justify the bigger craft.
On the short sector involved the running costs of the turboprop are lower than the jet.

The sector length is not sufficient that the time difference due to the speed differential would be a factor.

The runway issue at Galway is not a factor in that case

Can a fully laden DH8 or ATR72 departing Galway carry a full load of passengers and fuel?? every time???