Guidance for Dentists on using Social Media

Hillmanhunter1

Big_G wrote: »

Because you are unhappy or disagree with what we are saying and you have not had success complaining to our moderators in the past you want the dental council to row in. What makes you think they will be on your side? What makes you think they will come down and tell us that we can't offer free information to people on the internet? Your view is that our opinions are invalid because A) we have a vested interest in people not going abroad and because you had what you view as a good experience.
To answer A) the number of people travelling abroad is tiny, Eastern European clinics setting up here have been closed because they cannot afford to run a business in this country at their prices or worse have had dentists struck off due to poor performance. Some dentists can keep their doors open fixing the poor quality work done abroad. N=1 is hardly a sizeable sample, not to mention significantly lacking in objectivity. It is understandable for you to criticize anyone that does not agree with your world view. It isn't, however, fair to call our professionalism in to question.

I would not expect the Dental Council to come down on my side, or on anybody's side. I would expect them to be disinterested.

On their website they say their "general concern is to promote high standards of professional education and professional conduct among dentists."

They also say that one of their functions is "To advise the dental profession and the public on all matters relating to dental ethics and professional behaviour."

Oral Surgeon

So what is your point??

Hillmanhunter1 wrote: »

I would not expect the Dental Council to come down on my side, or on anybody's side. I would expect them to be disinterested.

On their website they say their "general concern is to promote high standards of professional education and professional conduct among dentists."

They also say that one of their functions is "To advise the dental profession and the public on all matters relating to dental ethics and professional behaviour."

davo10

Hillmanhunter1 wrote: »

I would not expect the Dental Council to come down on my side, or on anybody's side. I would expect them to be disinterested.

On their website they say their "general concern is to promote high standards of professional education and professional conduct among dentists."

They also say that one of their functions is "To advise the dental profession and the public on all matters relating to dental ethics and professional behaviour."

What is your "side"? We are still waiting for examples of how you feel the code of ethics has been broken.

Oral Surgeon

So what is your point??

Hillmanhunter1 wrote: »

I would not expect the Dental Council to come down on my side, or on anybody's side. I would expect them to be disinterested.

On their website they say their "general concern is to promote high standards of professional education and professional conduct among dentists."

They also say that one of their functions is "To advise the dental profession and the public on all matters relating to dental ethics and professional behaviour."

Hillmanhunter1

Oral Surgeon wrote: »

So what is your point??

Freya Nutty Peanut, helimanchopter and Big_G are not disinterested when it comes to the merits/demerits of dental tourism, and therefore in my opinion they should not moderate discussions on that topic (though of course they should be free to contribute).

There is no need to adduce any breach of professional standards. The existence of a conflict of interest does not infer impropriety, but conflicts of interest should be avoided.

I would like to see the Dental Council look at the whole area of the online activities of dentists when wearing their dentist hats, and in particular, I would like to see guidance to the effect that conflicts of interest should, wherever possible, be avoided.

helimachoptor

Hillman, you do realise i'm not a dentist?

Also, I have engaged in dental tourism with the work subsequently having to be fixed here in Ireland.

Hillmanhunter1

helimachoptor wrote: »

Hillman, you do realise i'm not a dentist?

Also, I have engaged in dental tourism with the work subsequently having to be fixed here in Ireland.

Obviously not!

I had assumed that you were a dentist.

So you don't have a professional conflict of interests.

ohnonotgmail

Hillmanhunter1 wrote: »

fitzgeme, helimanchopter and Big_G are not disinterested when it comes to the merits/demerits of dental tourism, and therefore in my opinion they should not moderate discussions on that topic (though of course they should be free to contribute).

There is no need to adduce any breach of professional standards. The existence of a conflict of interest does not infer impropriety, but conflicts of interest should be avoided.

I would like to see the Dental Council look at the whole area of the online activities of dentists when wearing their dentist hats, and in particular, I would like to see guidance to the effect that conflicts of interest should, wherever possible, be avoided.

You do realise that the purpose of the mods is to maintain civility on the forum and prevent discussions going wildly off topic? do you also realise that when a mod posts here it is clear when it is in their capacity as a user and when it in their capacity as a mod? the conflict only exists in your head.

Hillmanhunter1

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

You do realise that the purpose of the mods is to maintain civility on the forum and prevent discussions going wildly off topic? do you also realise that when a mod posts here it is clear when it is in their capacity as a user and when it in their capacity as a mod? the conflict only exists in your head.

I wonder if, perhaps, you're missing the point. The role of Mods is not the issue, the issue is whether the code of conduct for members of a regulated profession should give guidance on how to mitigate (or better, avoid) conflicts of interest.

bigpink

Would this cover bloggers plugging dentists or products from a dentist

davo10

Hillmanhunter1 wrote: »

I wonder if, perhaps, you're missing the point. The role of Mods is not the issue, the issue is whether the code of conduct for members of a regulated profession should give guidance on how to mitigate (or better, avoid) conflicts of interest.

So, you are complaining about dentists who warn people of the dangers of dental tourism, to a regulatory body which has a warning on its website about choosing dentists abroad?

There is no conflict of interest posting on this site, dentists are allowed to express their views on practices which may cause harm to the public. Recent High Court cases have outlined the treatment practices and potential harm we are warning against.

You went abroad for treatment, your veneers fell off after a couple of years, you paid to go back and have them redone, yet you don't like being told by the dentists that this should be unacceptable, that you treatment failed and that these are some of the biggest problems with going abroad for treatment (failure, travel, expense) and you expect the dentists to be impartial in their comment? Are you nuts?

The conflict if one exists, is between your interests/opinion and virtually everyone else's. Makood posted an example of the shameful over treatment plan he was given, yet you had no comment on that.

I can't believe this thread has gone on so long ??
Not one example has been given of code of ethics being breached !

I think Hillman is just having a boring day with all this rain and trying to stir something up !

Hillmanhunter1

bigpink wrote: »

Would this cover bloggers plugging dentists or products from a dentist

No. Bloggers are not members of a regulated profession (afik!)

Hillmanhunter1

davo10 wrote: »

So, you are complaining about dentists who warn people of the dangers of dental tourism, to a regulatory body which has a warning on its website about choosing dentists abroad?

There is no conflict of interest posting on this site, dentists are allowed to express their views on practices which may cause harm to the public. Recent High Court cases have outlined the treatment practices and potential harm we are warning against.

You went abroad for treatment, your veneers fell off after a couple of years, you paid to go back and have them redone, yet you don't like being told by the dentists that this should be unacceptable, that you treatment failed and that these are some of the biggest problems with going abroad for treatment (failure, travel, expense) and you expect the dentists to be impartial in their comment? Are you nuts?

The conflict if one exists, is between your interests/opinion and virtually everyone else's. Makood posted an example of the shameful over treatment plan he was given, yet you had no comment on that.

Hi Davo10

Sow me where I was "complaining about dentists who warn people of the dangers of dental tourism, to a regulatory body which has a warning on its website about choosing dentists abroad"
That would be the straw man stuff again, wouldn't it?

I never said that there was a conflict of interests where dentists are posting on this site. In fact I welcomed the fact that they post on this site.
More straw man stuff!

I said that that where dentists moderate discussions about the merits/demerits of dental tourism they have a conflict of interests. I said that this is an avoidable conflict of interests, and that I think that the Dental Council should issue guidance to this effect.

Hillmanhunter1

Deleted User wrote: »

I can't believe this thread has gone on so long ??
Not one example has been given of code of ethics being breached !

I think Hillman is just having a boring day with all this rain and trying to stir something up !

A conflict of interests does not imply impropriety - read the forum.

Also, no rain in Arabia, today!

davo10

Hillmanhunter1 wrote: »

Hi Davo10

Sow me where I was "complaining about dentists who warn people of the dangers of dental tourism, to a regulatory body which has a warning on its website about choosing dentists abroad"
That would be the straw man stuff again, wouldn't it?

I never said that there was a conflict of interests where dentists are posting on this site. In fact I welcomed the fact that they post on this site.
More straw man stuff!

I said that that where dentists moderate discussions about the merits/demerits of dental tourism they have a conflict of interests. I said that this is an avoidable conflict of interests, and that I think that the Dental Council should issue guidance to this effect.

More nonsense.

Hillmanhunter1

davo10 wrote: »

More nonsense.

Jeremiah 5:21

davo10

Hillmanhunter1 wrote: »

Jeremiah 5:21

Proverbs 29:11 & 18:6.

Hillmanhunter1

davo10 wrote: »

Proverbs 29:11.

Chapeau

Makood

davo10 wrote: »

The conflict if one exists, is between your interests/opinion and virtually everyone else's. Makood posted an example of the shameful over treatment plan he was given, yet you had no comment on that.

To be fair Davo10-Nobody had a comment on that.

I have reserved opinion on this thread until now, but read with interest.

I would not waste my time with replies, it's tit for tat and not really helping or assisting anyone, no matter who is right or wrong.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

And with the quote of scripture let's lock this thread, no good will come from here