Dog Chips.

kneemos

Have you got your dog chipped?It's law by the end of the month for all dogs to be chipped. https://www.google.ie/url?q=http://www.ncm.ie/about/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwi_wvel8uXLAhUIExoKHed0Bh8QFgghMAA&usg=AFQjCNEHDek7sDI3oKVGN96xffRb-W2ZQA

Menas

Ach, I thought this was a new snack that my local chippy would be serving.

Boskowski

I think I'll take a stand when they start chipping us humans. On this one I might simply decide to forget it.

Zombienosh

I picked up dogs before and when I brought them to the vet they were chipped but there was no info on the chip.

So everyone could chip their dogs but without info they're fk all good.

ronn

No. Sure who's going to inforce the law, the man that checks the dog licence, Another way to get more money out of people.

muddypaws

Zombienosh wrote: »

I picked up dogs before and when I brought them to the vet they were chipped but there was no info on the chip.

So everyone could chip their dogs but without info they're fk all good.

Part of the new law is that the owner's details must be registered, and the owners now have to have certificates. Of course, as with everything else, only responsible owners will bother, and with dogs, they are usually the ones that will keep their dogs contained, and if the dog does go missing, will do all they can to find him or her.

gramar

Doggy or chips?

Hammer89

Ours is chipped yes, though we need not have bothered because she wouldn't run away in a million years. Even when I take her out to the local green, she runs around but stops every so often to make sure I'm still behind her. Sometimes I hide behind a tree and she runs back looking for me.

Sir Osis of Liver.

Our local chinese does them.

Valentina

Yes, all of my dogs are microchipped and so is the cat and the horses. We've always microchipped all of our animals.

ronn wrote: »

No. Sure who's going to inforce the law, the man that checks the dog licence, Another way to get more money out of people.

Lots of vets in conjunction with animal charities provide free microchipping.

The_Valeyard

I think it's a great idea. Force people to act responsibly and care for animals they choose to own.

pickarooney

The_Valeyard wrote: »

I think it's a great idea. Force people to act responsibly and care for animals they choose to own.

Hahaha, if only!

daveyeh

No thanks, I had cat burger for lunch.

foggy_lad

You must abide by the law and unless they can show that the dog is yours(by checking the chip) they can't fine you, so why would anyone get a dog chipped?

MadDog76

foggy_lad wrote: »

You must abide by the law and unless they can show that the dog is yours(by checking the chip) they can't fine you, so why would anyone get a dog chipped?

They also won't allow you take the dog home with you because it's "not yours" to take ..........

stoplooklisten

Yes, of course. What responsible dog owner wouldn't?

kneemos

foggy_lad wrote: »

You must abide by the law and unless they can show that the dog is yours(by checking the chip) they can't fine you, so why would anyone get a dog chipped?

Might want to be responsible.

That could happen.

Yep both my dogs and my cat are chipped. Microchipped them on their first vet visits after I got them. Would hate for them to get lost or stolen and at least this enhances the chances of them getting returned to me.

kowloon

Cats need it more, they tend to wander about while dogs are kept at home.

Custardpi

What about children? They can get lost just as easily (probably more so since they don't have the same homing instinct dogs do) as pets. Is there a case for making chipping of children compulsory too?

MadDog76

Custardpi wrote: »

What about children? They can get lost just as easily (probably more so since they don't have the same homing instinct dogs do) as pets. Is there a case for making chipping of children compulsory too?

I'd love to micro-chip my kids, I think a lot of parents would to be honest.

rubadub

Menas wrote: »

Ach, I thought this was a new snack that my local chippy would be serving.

A Dublin takeaway has started doing delivery food for dogs

got my thinking of Viz

like a dog eating hot chips
from Roger's Profanisorus, Viz.

a style of fellatio; an exuberant blowjob
...and there was Vera, on her knees, at his cock like a dog eating hot chips...

Temptamperu

Boskowski wrote: »

I think I'll take a stand when they start chipping us humans. On this one I might simply decide to forget it.

If you have a phone you are already chipped mate

whisky_galore

This will turn out to be about as useful as the (unenforced) law to microchip horses...

whisky_galore

kowloon wrote: »

Cats need it more, they tend to wander about while dogs are kept at home.

Oh I don't know about that, I often see mutts going walkabout unaccompanied.

MadDog76

whisky_galore wrote: »

This will turn out to be about as useful as the (unenforced) law to microchip horses...

Depends what you mean by useful .......... if my dog gets out, and lost, only to be found and checked for a micro-chip then I personally would have found it extremely useful.

whisky_galore

MadDog76 wrote: »

Depends what you mean by useful .......... if my dog gets out, and lost, only to be found and checked for a micro-chip then I personally would have found it extremely useful.

Only responsible owners will bother doing it, so the animal welfare/control of dogs issue is unsolved.

MadDog76

whisky_galore wrote: »

Only responsible owners will bother doing it, so the animal welfare/control of dogs issue is unsolved.

So the irresponsible dog owners won't get their dogs back ....... not a bad thing.

seamus

whisky_galore wrote: »

This will turn out to be about as useful as the (unenforced) law to microchip horses...

You see, in theory this should work well.
A dog gets picked up, no chip. The warden automatically chips the dog and if the owner comes to collect it, they pay €100 for the pleasure.
Wardens should visit registered breeders regularly and check the pups for chips. No chips, breeding licence revoked, all dogs seized.

In reality what will happen is that an owner will collect their unchipped dog and be told, "You're supposed to have it chipped". "Yeah, whatever" and they'll go on their merry way.

There is no appetite in Irish politics to do anything about animal welfare. The farmers, greyhound breeders and horsey set have an embolism whenever anyone tries to enact laws that require them to treat animals humanely.

Discodog

Our local Warden was proudly showing me his chip reader. It used to be that, whoever had the dog licence, was considered the owner. Now it's whoever has the microchip certificate.

So if someone steals your dog & you haven't chipped it, the thief can chip the dog. You will have a big problem proving that it's yours. Anyone who's dog is chipped but doesn't have a certificate can go online & the chip company, usually Fido.ie will send you out a certificate for €4.

The dog warden hinted that they want to catch some people & see them fined. The fine can be up to €5000 & if a few people were caught & publicised it would increase the uptake. It's not that difficult to watch the dog & follow it back to it's home.

I was in a client's garden & there were 6 dogs playing on her lawn - she doesn't have a dog. None had collar tags so I doubt if they are chipped. People won't tag or chip because they don't want to be liable if their dog causes trouble.

Greyhounds don't have to be chipped until they are 3 months old so the breeders get plenty of time to decided if they want to keep or dump them.

whisky_galore

They would want to make a few examples, or people will just shrug it off like the empty threats issued for dog fouling/dogs straying/littering/ fly tipping etc.

whisky_galore

seamus wrote: »

In reality what will happen is that an owner will collect their unchipped dog and be told, "You're supposed to have it chipped". "Yeah, whatever" and they'll go on their merry way.

Or just not pay and leave the dog to its fate...

Discodog

whisky_galore wrote: »

Or just not pay and leave the dog to its fate...

That's why I think that good wardens will watch & trace the owner. The fine is so big that they could employ extra wardens & make a good income. There is even an option for 6 month jail.

I would offer the wardens a bonus for every person they catch.

eezipc

For this to work, it really does have to be enforced. The wife volunteers for an animal charity and some of the cruelty shown to dogs is appalling and people need to be held accountable.
The problem is, the government could not give a damn about animal rights which makes me suspicious for the reasoning behind this.

seamus

whisky_galore wrote: »

Or just not pay and leave the dog to its fate...

Well that'll be the main one. €5k fines are all well and good but if you make it clear that your trip to the pound to find your lost dog will cost you €5k, then it's the same kind of idiot who wouldn't chip their dog that will just go get a new unchipped puppy rather than risk looking for their lost dog at the pound.

This is why enforcement and punishment at the breeder level is paramount.

Discodog

eezipc wrote: »

For this to work, it really does have to be enforced. The wife volunteers for an animal charity and some of the cruelty shown to dogs is appalling and people need to be held accountable.
The problem is, the government could not give a damn about animal rights which makes me suspicious for the reasoning behind this.

I would agree with you but I wouldn't use the term "animal rights" here as you will instantly be labelled here as a violent protester. Coveney has been very receptive to the issue of animal welfare. He listened to welfare groups, vets etc & the new Animal Health & Welfare Act is a good piece of law. But already we have big problems with it's interpretation.

The recent Circus situation had some of us baffled. The Ministry of Agriculture declared that it wasn't in breach of the Act. The ISPCA & majority of Vets disagreed. There will be further discussion as to how there could be such a difference in interpretation.

I think it may depend on who gets the fine money. If the LA's get it or a chunk of it then it could be quite a money spinner. I could easily catch twenty offenders today.

I think that Coveney does care, I can't speak for the rest of them. The Greyhound lobby have always vehemently opposed chips & wanted an exemption which they didn't get.

Discodog

seamus wrote: »

Well that'll be the main one. €5k fines are all well and good but if you make it clear that your trip to the pound to find your lost dog will cost you €5k, then it's the same kind of idiot who wouldn't chip their dog that will just go get a new unchipped puppy rather than risk looking for their lost dog at the pound.

This is why enforcement and punishment at the breeder level is paramount.

A good warden will try & trace the owner & if all fails impound the dog. Then if the owner turns up add on a chipping & admin fee to the pound fee but don't fine them.

One option I discussed with the warden was tying an official warning label to the dog for it's owner to find. I also doubt that anyone will be fined €5000.

If someone is caught with an unchipped pup they could be given the option of them paying the fine or giving the details of the pups supplier.

scdublin

Yep, we've always had our dogs chipped from whatever age it's okay to get them done. I can't see why you wouldn't, it doesn't cost that much and means that you'll get them back faster in case they get loose and also means they won't get put down in the pound if god forbid they ended up there.

I've found so many dogs with no collars/not chipped that clearly have owners and have had to do the whole printing posters/sharing images on social media thing. If the dog was chipped the vet could have let me know straight away and the owners would have their dog back that day.

Discodog

scdublin wrote: »

Yep, we've always had our dogs chipped from whatever age it's okay to get them done. I can't see why you wouldn't, it doesn't cost that much and means that you'll get them back faster in case they get loose and also means they won't get put down in the pound if god forbid they ended up there.

I've found so many dogs with no collars/not chipped that clearly have owners and have had to do the whole printing posters/sharing images on social media thing. If the dog was chipped the vet could have let me know straight away and the owners would have their dog back that day.

The reason they don't is the same as with collar tags. If their dogs causes an accident, bites someone, chases sheep etc they don't want the consequences coming back to them. Also a lot of people just don't think that it's necessary. If they are irresponsible enough to let the dog stray then they won't care about a chip.

But let's be positive mandatory chipping is a good step & one that I didn't expect to see in Ireland for years.

loveisdivine

kowloon wrote: »

Cats need it more, they tend to wander about while dogs are kept at home.

In the area I live there are 2 different cats that I see frequently in the estate, there are at least 5 different dogs that the owners just let out to roam.

I know it's not the same everywhere but in this case the dogs are definitely more of an issue.

whisky_galore

seamus wrote: »

This is why enforcement and punishment at the breeder level is paramount.

They should be rooting out and putting puppy farms out of business, if they're not doing it already. Follow up online and printed ads and sting the b*stards.

whisky_galore

Discodog wrote: »

I think that Coveney does care, I can't speak for the rest of them. The Greyhound lobby have always vehemently opposed chips & wanted an exemption which they didn't get.

I would imagine there is plenty 'wastage' behind the scenes with the puppies/dogs that fail to make the grade. The money pumping through the industry is some comfort though...:rolleyes:

Discodog

whisky_galore wrote: »

I would imagine there is plenty 'wastage' behind the scenes with the puppies/dogs that fail to make the grade. The money pumping through the industry is some comfort though...:rolleyes:

They don't have to chip until they have time to decide which dogs to keep. 15000 per year bred & around 750 rehomed.

Rather than putting the puppy farms out of business they have licensed them. Brian Cowen even lobbied for Ireland's biggest puppy farmer.

whisky_galore

loveisdivine wrote: »

In the area I live there are 2 different cats that I see frequently in the estate, there are at least 5 different dogs that the owners just let out to roam.

I know it's not the same everywhere but in this case the dogs are definitely more of an issue.

Cats have an impact on wild birds and their 'leavings' have nasty parasites and things in them.

Are we the only Western country where it's thought to be ok to leave dogs chase cars / generally wander around left to their own devices?

MadDog76

Discodog wrote: »

Our local Warden was proudly showing me his chip reader. It used to be that, whoever had the dog licence, was considered the owner. Now it's whoever has the microchip certificate.

So if someone steals your dog & you haven't chipped it, the thief can chip the dog. You will have a big problem proving that it's yours. Anyone who's dog is chipped but doesn't have a certificate can go online & the chip company, usually Fido.ie will send you out a certificate for €4.

The dog warden hinted that they want to catch some people & see them fined. The fine can be up to €5000 & if a few people were caught & publicised it would increase the uptake. It's not that difficult to watch the dog & follow it back to it's home.

I was in a client's garden & there were 6 dogs playing on her lawn - she doesn't have a dog. None had collar tags so I doubt if they are chipped. People won't tag or chip because they don't want to be liable if their dog causes trouble.

Greyhounds don't have to be chipped until they are 3 months old so the breeders get plenty of time to decided if they want to keep or dump them.

So does having the Certificate replace a Dog Licence or do I need to re-new that as well?

Discodog

MadDog76 wrote: »

So does having the Certificate replace a Dog Licence or do I need to re-new that as well?

Both :pac: The government isn't getting any money from chipping.

muddypaws

MadDog76 wrote: »

So does having the Certificate replace a Dog Licence or do I need to re-new that as well?

I've seen comments that you will need the certificate to renew the licence, no sure how true that is. I think you can renew on line, so not sure how that would work with the certificate.

gozunda

muddypaws wrote: »

I've seen comments that you will need the certificate to renew the licence, no sure how true that is. I think you can renew on line, so not sure how that would work with the certificate.

Saw that as well.

At the launch of the scheme this is what Simon Coveney had to say on existing registrations.

"I will be bringing forward the details of this scheme presently but I can say that, where an animal has been chipped and registered correctly with a database like fido.ie prior to the adoption of the legislation, both the animal and its owner will be in compliance with the law."

Source: http://www.ncm.ie/about/

My dog was "microchipped and "registered correctly" with one of the databases 12 years ago - prior to the lilegislation and it looks like I have to go thru a whole rigmarole to get the certificate

Reading the latest blurb on NCM, Fido etc what Coveney said no longer is correct.

Looks like the whole cabbodle might be still up the air tbh

Discodog

gozunda wrote: »

Saw that as well.

At the launch of the scheme this is what Simon Coveney had to say on existing registrations.



Source: http://www.ncm.ie/about/

My dog was "microchipped and "registered correctly" with one of the databases 12 years ago - prior to the lilegislation and it looks like I have to go thru a whole rigmarole to get the certificate

Reading the latest blurb on NCM, Fido etc what Coveney said no longer is correct.

Looks like the whole cabbodle might be still up the air tbh

They found an old chip of mine easily but it was a Fido chip. Some older chips were with Petcode.
Re Coveney's comments they are correct in that you will be compliant with the microchip law but you still have to comply with the Control of Dogs Act & get a license.

After all he only recently increased the fee. They won't lose that revenue. I have been told that the chip number will be written on the licence - tying the two databases together.

Stablemaster

Recently had Fido chipped. Felt fierce terrible for him

gozunda

Discodog wrote: »

They found an old chip of mine easily but it was a Fido chip. Some older chips were with Petcode.

Found it fine as well and is on one of the recognised databases - but still have to go thru the whole form/database check/ cerificate / payment etc etc

Licenced as well - he is a very law abiding dog lol

Recognised databases Inc
Fido
Ani-mark
Kennel club
PetTrace

See:
http://www.petethevet.com/wp/vet-spot-on-newstalks-pat-kenny-show-compulsory-microchipping-of-all-dogs-in-ireland-is-about-to-happen/

Coveney left out the bit where you need a new style certificate so existing owners do have to go back the whole process. Contact with database confirmed this. Never believe anything given in a press briefing

Considering I got the dog microchipped 12 years ago I still have the "certificate' I was issued back then. How's that for record keeping eh?