Suicide bombing in Pakistan. Christians targeted. Nothing in Irish Media (yet)

Donald Trump

At least 69 killed and 300 wounded. I know it's an Easter Sunday and tomorrow is a Bank Holiday but I would have thought that this would have appeared by now. Especially given the recent events in Europe.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-pakistan-blast-idUSKCN0WT0HR

Anyway, it is no harm to have a reminder that people outside of our European bubble are also suffering from these things. Such a terrible and senseless (to us) act.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Christians are second class citizens in Muslim countries. They live under the dhimmi staus and pay the Jizzah Tax.

Extremist Islamists will not tolerate them fullstop. Remember when ISIS crucified a group of Christians (the ultimate insult to a Christian to make them suffer the same fate as Christ)

Do you know what the Christians did about it? Absolutely nothing, they turned the other cheek.

ceadaoin.

Donald Trump wrote: »

At least 69 killed and 300 wounded. I know it's an Easter Sunday and tomorrow is a Bank Holiday but I would have thought that this would have appeared by now. Especially given the recent events in Europe.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-pakistan-blast-idUSKCN0WT0HR

Anyway, it is no harm to have a reminder that people outside of our European bubble are also suffering from these things. Such a terrible and senseless (to us) act.

Is there really nothing in the irish media about this? I've been seeing it all day on various sites here

jacksie66

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Simi

Donald Trump wrote: »

At least 69 killed and 300 wounded. I know it's an Easter Sunday and tomorrow is a Bank Holiday but I would have thought that this would have appeared by now. Especially given the recent events in Europe.

Eh it's right here?
http://www.rte.ie/news/world/2016/0327/777792-pakistan-blast/
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/dozens-killed-in-suicide-bombing-near-family-park-in-lahore-1.2588892

I'm sure it's on the other news sites too. These are the only two I checked.

Atlantic Dawn

RTE doesn't value any life outside the EU or US.

Donald Trump

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Is there really nothing in the irish media about this? I've been seeing it all day on various sites here

It must be somewhere.... but I don't see it on rte.ie, irishtimes.com, independent.ie or even thejournal.ie . At least not prominently

Also just looked up the websites of irishmirror.ie, sundayworld.com and thestar.ie to cover the red-tops.

Anyway, it's not a competition. I just would have expected to see it by now as it happened a good few hours ago.

gctest50

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

RTE doesn't value any life outside the EU or US.

RTE doesn't value any life outside Dublin

Donald Trump

Simi wrote: »

Eh it's right here?
http://www.rte.ie/news/world/2016/0327/777792-pakistan-blast/
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/dozens-killed-in-suicide-bombing-near-family-park-in-lahore-1.2588892

I'm sure it's on the other news sites too. These are the only two I checked.

You are correct. It is also on Irish times site but not mentioned on front page. As I said, its not a competition. I just hadn't seen it mentioned prominently on Irish media (yet). I didn't bother googling or searching every single news outlet. I wasn't looking for a conspiracy.

jacksie66

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jacksie66

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DEFTLEFTHAND

Donald Trump wrote: »

You are correct. It is also on Irish times site but not mentioned on front page. As I said, its not a competition. I just hadn't seen it mentioned prominently on Irish media (yet). I didn't bother googling or searching every single news outlet. I wasn't looking for a conspiracy.

What the hell is wrong with you? It doesn't fit the narrative this is why it's not mainstream news. You know this so why in god's name are you asking it on a site like Boards.ie?

jacksie66

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Donald Trump

jacksie66 wrote: »

If you didn't bother checking every single media outlet as you say, how can you claim that there's nothing in the Irish media about it? You didn't even look..

I did look. I did not see anything. I was not trying to make an issue out of it. I saw it on a non Irish site. Thought "Oh no, that's terrible news.". Went to my usual Irish news sites to read more about it. Didn't see it there. Had a look here to see if there was any info about it (this site is usually a good source for current news/events). There was nothing so I posted it. I thought that others might then see it if they were interested

Donald Trump

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

What the hell is wrong with you? It doesn't fit the narrative this is why it's not mainstream news. You know this so why in god's name are you asking it on a site like Boards.ie?

Asking? I did not ask anything. . I merely posted some news about some people who had been killed.

Donald Trump

Dear moderators. Can you please edit the title.

I was merely posting a story as I was surprised that it was not on here already. I had not noticed anything mentioned prominently on the Irish media outlets that I normally check. I mentioned incorrectly that it was not in the Irish media and qualified that with an explicit "yet".

I'd be grateful if you can remove the bit about nothing being in the media yet as I wasn't trying to make it out to be a conspiracy or anything.

Thanks

jacksie66

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DEFTLEFTHAND

Donald Trump wrote: »

Asking? I did not ask anything. . I merely posted some news about some people who had been killed.

My apologies for being aggressive. I misinterpreted your intentions.

Donald Trump

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

My apologies for being aggressive. I misinterpreted your intentions.

Yeah, no worries. All good here.

Mark Tapley

Donald Trump wrote: »

At least 69 killed and 300 wounded. I know it's an Easter Sunday and tomorrow is a Bank Holiday but I would have thought that this would have appeared by now. Especially given the recent events in Europe.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-pakistan-blast-idUSKCN0WT0HR

Anyway, it is no harm to have a reminder that people outside of our European bubble are also suffering from these things. Such a terrible and senseless (to us) act.

It just seems from the OP you wanted to discuss perceived lack of coverage as opposed to talking about the events themselves.

jacksie66

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Donald Trump

Mark Tapley wrote: »

It just seems from the OP you wanted to discuss perceived lack of coverage as opposed to talking about the events themselves.

Sorry for giving that impression. I can see how that could have happened

I had mentioned legitimate reasons for there not being mentioned (Easter Sunday and tomorrow being a Bank Holiday). I also said "yet" as I assumed there would be some soon. I was wrong though and it had already been mentioned. I just hadn't seen it. I wanted to get more information about it and this site is usually a good central point for information

Edit: I'm after sidetracking myself. My remark on not seeing it on the media was a side mention in relation to the fact that I was looking for more information from the Irish outlets. I hadn't looked hard enough. That's all. My purpose of the post was to put news on the incident here so that others could be informed or discuss if they wanted to.

Donald Trump

jacksie66 wrote: »

Yeah I apologize as well. I know what you mean. The way that there was rolling news coverage of Paris and Brussels but very little on Pakistan or even Turkey a few weeks ago.

Sorry about the misunderstanding. It's been a long day..

Yeah it's ok. Sorry for the mention of the derogatory term above. Will edit the post. Apologies on my end for being a bit smart too

speedboatchase

jacksie66 wrote: »

Yeah I apologize as well. I know what you mean. The way that there was rolling news coverage of Paris and Brussels but very little on Pakistan or even Turkey a few weeks ago.

Sorry about the misunderstanding. It's been a long day..

Pakistan is a failed state - you'd never be able to get rid of your flag filter on Facebook were to commemorate every tragedy. Turkey is bombing ISIS and the Kurds, and being bombed back.

Brussels is a more newsworthy news story in the West for many, many reasons.

jacksie66

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511

It's on The Journal: http://www.thejournal.ie/pakistan-bomb-easter-sunday-celebrations-2683681-Mar2016/

511

speedboatchase wrote: »

Pakistan is a failed state

It's not a failed state, the government have control over nearly all of Pakistan's provinces. The war is located in the northwest of the country, which are the tribal areas and a Taliban stronghold.

Pawwed Rig

jacksie66 wrote: »

At the end of the day we're all humans. It comes across to me that people in the west view people in countries like Nigeria, Turkey and Pakistan as lesser, inferior people.

I don't think that is the case at all. If every horrific death in the countries you mention (and other similar countries) was reported then there would be little space for any other story. Belgium and France were news because of how unusual it is for countries like these to suffer in this way.
Additionally Irish people visit both places regularly and we have historic links with them that we don't have with Pakistan. We are also part of their club (EU).

Raging_Ninja

Donald Trump wrote: »

At least 69 killed and 300 wounded. I know it's an Easter Sunday and tomorrow is a Bank Holiday but I would have thought that this would have appeared by now. Especially given the recent events in Europe.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-pakistan-blast-idUSKCN0WT0HR

Anyway, it is no harm to have a reminder that people outside of our European bubble are also suffering from these things. Such a terrible and senseless (to us) act.

It was on the RTE news website last night you liar. There's so much bad shít in the world, do we need to feel bad about all of it? Do we have to wallow in other people's grief for eternity?

I hate this sort of childish guilt tripping.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Is there really nothing in the irish media about this? I've been seeing it all day on various sites here

Don't let facts get in the way of people trying so hard to be a bleeding heart.

Victim Claiming to the ****ing max.

Also well done OP on the timing for the username.

Wibbs

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

It was on the RTE news website last night you liar.

Now I say this as someone who can be "robust" in posting but fcuk me, is there something in the air of late with the amount of the aggressive stuff? I'm not trying to single you out RN, there's the same thing running through the thread and elsewhere on Boards. Reflection of the wider times or something?

Wibbs

Wibbs wrote: »

Now I say this as someone who can be "robust" in posting but fcuk me, is there something in the air of late with the amount of the aggressive stuff? I'm not trying to single you out RN, there's the same thing running through the thread and elsewhere on Boards. Reflection of the wider times or something?

TBH I think for me it was that I saw two different people on FB do the whole "Where was the coverage thing" having already read the story. Look at the OP's name and think about it tbh. There was plenty of coverage everywhere.

Also yes, the 1916 stuff gets the blood riled up. :pac:

alchemist33

Events in countries we're closer to, geographically and culturally, get more coverage because people are more interested in them. Five people dying in an accident dominated our news for days, whereas the same incident in India or even the US wouldn't get any mention here, and I bet Al Jazeera didnt mention Buncrana anywhere. It's human nature to be more interested in things that concern us more, yet people are constantly dragging this up as evidence that we're all racist and only a select few really care about everyone in the world. It's ridiculous point scoring, and I really wish it would end.

languagenerd

jacksie66 wrote: »

At the end of the day we're all humans. It comes across to me that people in the west view people in countries like Nigeria, Turkey and Pakistan as lesser, inferior people.

Ah now. I don't think it's that at all. For the media, proximity and relevance to the reader are some of the key features that decide how much coverage something gets. People who click on to an Irish website or open an Irish newspaper are generally looking for the stories that are most relevant to Irish people. Paris and Brussels are in the EU, a very large proportion of Irish people have been to both cities and things that happen there could have big consequences here. For those reasons, events there will always get more coverage than events in Pakistan, Nigeria or Kenya, which generally will only get a handful of articles each. But if something happened in Ireland, it would not get rolling coverage on Pakistani or Indian or Kenyan news sites either.

On a micro level, it's just human nature. If you hear a news story of someone dying in an accident, you might think "Oh Jesus, that's awful. The poor family", but it won't affect you all that much beyond that. But if the person was your neighbour or your friend's brother or someone who went to your school, it upsets you more. That doesn't mean that you don't care about the stranger or think they're inferior or condone their death. You still think the accident was horrible and feel sorry for the bereaved, but you can't dwell on every such story.

And it's worth remembering that news sites, more than ever, are reflecting what their readers want to read. Rightly or wrongly, if their original summary articles about Pakistan or Nigeria got a huge amount of clicks, you can bet they'd quickly produce more....

But I don't think it's a case of not caring or finding people inferior. It's more a case that events there are not likely to have ramifications here, so beyond thinking "Oh Jesus, that's awful, those poor people", we don't have a huge collective thirst for more information.

osarusan

Wibbs wrote: »

Now I say this as someone who can be "robust" in posting but fcuk me, is there something in the air of late with the amount of the aggressive stuff? I'm not trying to single you out RN, there's the same thing running through the thread and elsewhere on Boards. Reflection of the wider times or something?

I think people are getting very tired with the "not covered by the media as it doesn't fit the narrative" line that gets trotted out a lot.

People thought the OP was one of those, based on the thread title and later responses.

AndyBoBandy

jacksie66 wrote: »

At the end of the day we're all humans. It comes across to me that people in the west view people in countries like Nigeria, Turkey and Pakistan as lesser, inferior people.

Inferior? No, but less interesting to me than Europeans? Yes. Absolutely.

I've been to Paris & Brussels, I've lived in France and have French & Belgian friends ( a work colleague lost his sister in the Bataclan).
So am I more interested in these events when they happen in fellow European cities, of course I am, because I've been there, I can somewhat relate to the place where these awful events take place.

It really grinds my gears when keyboard warriors on Facebook are giving out about all the empathy we show for a 'European' tragedy while not giving a toss about a similar tragedy in Turkey/Pakistan.

Maybe if those countries were close neighbors to me, and I had regularly visited them, and knew and worked with people from there, if they were members of the same collective Union of like minded countries that my country is a member of, if they were only an hour away from me in a plane, maybe then I'd be more interested in them.

I deplore all these acts of violence, but when they happen in far flung places that regularly suffer these atrocities, they get somewhat watered down. When they happen in places that we don't expect, closer to home, there is certainly more of a shock value, and certainly more interest in any news/media surrounding the event.

Pink Fairy

jacksie66 wrote: »

At the end of the day we're all humans. It comes across to me that people in the west view people in countries like Nigeria, Turkey and Pakistan as lesser, inferior people.

No, not quite, it's all about distance, economics and to a lesser degree, genetics.
Distance is too far for the ordinary irishperson to give too many fcks.
We don't have any real economic links to those countries
And unlike America, or Australia (which would be as far away) we are very unlikely to have relatives and family in Pakistan and Nigeria
It may be harsh, but it doesn't make it any less true

Raging_Ninja

Wibbs wrote: »

Now I say this as someone who can be "robust" in posting but fcuk me, is there something in the air of late with the amount of the aggressive stuff? I'm not trying to single you out RN, there's the same thing running through the thread and elsewhere on Boards. Reflection of the wider times or something?

The OP decided to make a post at 4am claiming that the Irish media was ignoring the bombing, which was a lie since it had been on the RTE news website since at least 11pm.

Now, maybe I was a big harsh since I am tired and have a headache, but even on a good day I don't appreciate the childish nonsense that these sort's of threads are for.

FTA69

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Christians are second class citizens in Muslim countries. They live under the dhimmi staus and pay the Jizzah Tax.
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It's not 1400 mate, you're talking absolute cobblers if you think the above sort of sweeping nonsense has any bearing on reality in the majority of the Islamic world.

Omackeral

I actually know far more Nigerians than I do Belgians, I know more Pakistanis probably too come to think of it. However, those countries are on different continents and are, for want of a better word, worlds away. I'd imagine the Belgian way of life is probably more in sync with ours here. Also, ghe other two nations are massive population wise and culturally very diverse, making Brussels easier to relate to.

I still think anyone who puts up those flag filters for France/Belgium is a bit of a knob and anyone who complains that there isn't a Syrian/Pakistani option is just as bad. All trying to outgrieve each other.

snubbleste

https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/713440785396531202

weisses

in the Netherlands a portion of Turkish school children didn't give a fukc about what happened in Belgium... Some were even cheering ... General thoughts were that of "why should I care about Brussels ... No one here cared about Ankara and Istanbul" which in some way is even understandable.

RDM_83 again

FTA69 wrote: »

It's not 1400 mate, you're talking absolute cobblers if you think the above sort of sweeping nonsense has any bearing on reality in the majority of the Islamic world.

FTA69 wrote: »

It's not 1400 mate, you're talking absolute cobblers if you think the above sort of sweeping nonsense has any bearing on reality in the majority of the Islamic world.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-plight-of-the-middle-easts-christians-1431700075

Loads of other links to this

This trend has been accelerating in recent years as Christian communities are associated with supporting some of the strong men that have been falling.

What middle eastern countries have equal rights and protections for Christians (in practice not law).

Lebanon, Egypt (and its moving the wrong way in this regard) Turkey (and Turkey has a tradition of genocide against Christian peoples) off the top of the head, list of countries where persecution is occurring is much longer.

Unfortunately the plight of Christians doesn't fit because we in the west view it as a "privileged" group

Donald Trump

Deleted User wrote: »

Victim Claiming to the ****ing max.

Who claimed who? Seems to be an awful lot of self righteous keyboard warriors on this site. I simply posted a news story about a lot of people being killed and immediately there was a gang of people on the offensive attacking me for no apparent reason.

osarusan wrote: »

I think people are getting very tired with the "not covered by the media as it doesn't fit the narrative" line that gets trotted out a lot.

Nope, as mentioned in the opening post and later follow ups I made reference to the fact that it was a long weekend. It was also the middle of the night.

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Don't let facts get in the way of people trying so hard to be a bleeding heart.

What makes someone a bleeding heart? Posting a story about a lot of people who were killed? Fair enough if you don't give a fuck about them personally but with even only a smidgen of basic cop-on, one should note that the mentality of the people who do these things is easily exported to wherever you live.

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

The OP decided to make a post at 4am claiming that the Irish media was ignoring the bombing, which was a lie since it had been on the RTE news website since at least 11pm.

I'd be grateful if you could point out where I said they were "ignoring" it? In your haste to go on the offensive and show what a big man you were, you neglected to properly read the post and follow ups.



Jesus there are some amount of gobshites on here in fairness. I posted some news about people who were killed. Regardless of whether or not you give a flying fuck about those killed, it is relevant to us given the recent events closer to home. These countries are softer targets. And a "victory" in those countries is a useful propaganda tool for these groups to stay alive and "inspire" the next generation of martyrs.


Still, if it's more important for you to focus on the competition to print these stories then that is your prerogative and good luck to you. I don't think that I have any interest in posting further on this topic

FTA69

RDM_83 again wrote: »

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-plight-of-the-middle-easts-christians-1431700075

Loads of other links to this

This trend has been accelerating in recent years as Christian communities are associated with supporting some of the strong men that have been falling.

What middle eastern countries have equal rights and protections for Christians (in practice not law).

Lebanon, Egypt (and its moving the wrong way in this regard) Turkey (and Turkey has a tradition of genocide against Christian peoples) off the top of the head, list of countries where persecution is occurring is much longer.

Unfortunately the plight of Christians doesn't fit because we in the west view it as a "privileged" group

I'm not for a second saying that Christians in some Muslim countries aren't getting a bad deal because many are in numerous countries. That however, is a lot different to blanket statements like the one I quoted above casually suggesting that all Christians are paying jizya which is outdated nonsense that is nowhere near the norm.

RDM_83 again

FTA69 wrote: »

I'm not for a second saying that Christians in some Muslim countries aren't getting a bad deal because many are in numerous countries. That however, is a lot different to blanket statements like the one I quoted above casually suggesting that all Christians are paying jizya which is outdated nonsense that is nowhere near the norm.

Alright I presumed the Jizya was a historic analogy to their current treatment. Basically the way I see it Christians in a lot of the Middle East are in a similar position to Jews in Europe in the middle ages, they are tolerated but are dependent on the existence of a strong state for their security so a reciprocal relationship develops

Jayop

All of this "why are they ignoring this tragedy" and "how come people care more about Belgium/France" is so annoying. Honestly, the people on my FB feed who commented on the Belgium/France killings and changed their profile pics to the flags are the same people complaining that there's no comments on Pakistan. The thing is that if they just commented on it rather than asking where others comments were there'd be just about the same as there was for France.

Anyway, it's a stupid assertion that there should be the same amount of concern or coverage. It's only natural for people to be more shocked/moved by things happening on their doorstep. If someone dies in your village you'll be shocked or concerned more than a similar case a hundred miles away. A tragedy like what happened in Buncrana last week happening in the UK would barely have raised a whisper here but because it was here and not there it was massive news. The same logic applies to bombings and shootings in places where we tend to live and go, tend to know people there and visit there as opposed to places we'd never go. It's not that we care less for the individuals, but proximity matters in these stories.

Capt'n Midnight

alchemist33 wrote: »

Events in countries we're closer to, geographically and culturally, get more coverage because people are more interested in them. Five people dying in an accident dominated our news for days, whereas the same incident in India or even the US wouldn't get any mention here, and I bet Al Jazeera didnt mention Buncrana anywhere.

Just to give an idea of how different things are in other countries

The Global status report on road safety 2013 estimates that more than 231,000 people are killed in road traffic crashes in India every year.

BlibBlab

jacksie66 wrote: »

At the end of the day we're all humans. It comes across to me that people in the west view people in countries like Nigeria, Turkey and Pakistan as lesser, inferior people.

Pink Fairy wrote: »

No, not quite, it's all about distance, economics and to a lesser degree, genetics.
Distance is too far for the ordinary irishperson to give too many fcks.
We don't have any real economic links to those countries
And unlike America, or Australia (which would be as far away) we are very unlikely to have relatives and family in Pakistan and Nigeria
It may be harsh, but it doesn't make it any less true

It's also a more regular occurrence in these countries, it's not massively shocking when it happens. If it occurred in say Tokyo it'd be a bigger story than Lahore.