65 Catholics killed, many Children and where is the media

alma73

65 catholics killed and little media coverage, no facebook apps to change your profile flag. It seems these families are not worthy our our media.

Ronaldinho

alma73 wrote: »

65 catholics killed and little media coverage, no facebook apps to change your profile flag. It seems these families are not worthy our our media.

"Little media coverage". Eh - try www.BBC.com or www.nytimes.com or www.aljazeera.com. Top story with each one.

Pacing Mule

Little media coverage ??

Top story on Sky News and BBC. Knocked off top here in Ireland by the most important national celebration in 100 years. It's all over everywhere else including my facebook wall.

Quackster

65 human beings murdered.

Who cares what religion, if any, they professed?

endacl

Persecution complex not workin' out for you, OP?

Manach

May they rest in peace.

Arkady

endacl wrote: »

Prosecution complex not workin' out for you, OP?

Disgusting comment.
Can you explain exactly how codeming the murder of innocent people is a "persecution complex" ? Is murdering someone because of their religion not persecution, or can persecution only be commited against non Christians ?

Arkady

Quackster wrote: »

65 human beings murdered.

Who cares what religion, if any, they professed?

So the actual reason for their murder must be swept under the carpet and silenced ?

Bannasidhe

Arkady wrote: »

Disgusting comment.
Can you explain exactly how codeming the murder of innocent people is a "persecution complex" ? Is murdering someone because of their religion not persecution, or can persecution only be commited against non Christians ?

Where did the OP condemn these murders? All I can see is condemnation of the media and FB.
I believe the comment you deem disgusting was in response to the OP's claim that the media has ignored this atrocity - presumably, in the OP's opinion because the victims were Catholics.
The fact is the media hasn't ignored this and although FB as a corporate body has not reacted as it did with Paris that does not mean FB users haven't.

This FB post from 'God'

You won't see anyone change their profile pic to the Pakistani flag.
You won't see the hashtag ‪#‎JeSuisPakistan‬ trending.
You won't see anyone sending prayers on Facebook.
You might not see any other posts about this at all.
But their lives are just as innocent and just as important.

https://www.facebook.com/TheGoodLordAbove/posts/1656471461107217?pnref=story
has been shared over 27k times in three hours.

The OP seems to want to use the deaths of these innocent people to push an agenda. That is, imo, disgusting.

alma73

Pacing Mule wrote: »

Little media coverage ??

Top story on Sky News and BBC. Knocked off top here in Ireland by the most important national celebration in 100 years. It's all over everywhere else including my facebook wall.

If that amount of children were killed in europe it would roll on all the media channels, do you see any sky reporters traveling to lahore?

Arkady

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Where did the OP condemn these murders? All I can see is condemnation of the media and FB.
I believe the comment you deem disgusting was in response to the OP's claim that the media has ignored this atrocity - presumably, in the OP's opinion because the victims were Catholics.
The fact is the media hasn't ignored this and although FB as a corporate body has not reacted as it did with Paris that does not mean FB users haven't.

This FB post from 'God'
https://www.facebook.com/TheGoodLordAbove/posts/1656471461107217?pnref=story
has been shared over 27k times in three hours.

The OP seems to want to use the deaths of these innocent people to push an agenda. That is, imo, disgusting.

Sure as long as you get to jump on the anti Christian bandwagon and link to a parody on the Christian forum.

Ronaldinho

alma73 wrote: »

do you see any sky reporters traveling to lahore?

It's a 12 hour flight so I guess we'll find out in the morning.

Victor

alma73 wrote: »

65 catholics killed and little media coverage, no facebook apps to change your profile flag. It seems these families are not worthy our our media.

16,000 children under the age of 5 died today from disease and malnutrition. Where is your post on that?

alma73

Ronaldinho wrote: »

It's a 12 hour flight so I guess we'll find out in the morning.

Want to bet? Did they travel to turkey after the bombings?

Bannasidhe

Arkady wrote: »

Sure as long as you get to jump on the anti Christian bandwagon and link to a parody on the Christian forum.

Do you disagree with the sentiment expressed?

Arkady

Victor wrote: »

16,000 children under the age of 5 died today from disease and malnutrition. Where is your post on that?

Other than gloating here with smilies where's yours ?

alma73

Victor wrote: »

16,000 children under the age of 5 died today from disease and malnutrition. Where is your post on that?

Where? And yet the Catholic Church is the largest aid agency in africa.

anothernight

alma73 wrote: »

Where? And yet the Catholic Church is the largest aid agency in africa.

How is that relevant to what he said? Or even to your own opening post?

um7y1h83ge06nx

I think if you consider it underreported it probably has more to do with the fact that they are poor Africans rather than Europeans or Americans.

Not for a moment saying that is right of course. Doubt it's because of their religion.

Flint Fredstone

If 65 people were killed here would it be the hot topic in Pakistan? I doubt it.
Paris, Belgium, America... These are places we go, we know of people there. Those people hold similar values and traditions to ourselves. We just relate to them more and it hits closer to home. It's human nature.

Carlos Orange

I'm horrified at the lack of social media coverage.





Maybe a little about people being dead too.

vapor trails

Atrocity hipster

Ronaldinho

alma73 wrote: »

Want to bet? Did they travel to turkey after the bombings?

I was actually trying to be sarcastic but anyway... http://news.sky.com/story/1567397/islamic-state-blamed-for-deadly-turkey-blasts

I think we've made it abundantly clear that there has been a huge amount of media coverage of yesterday's attack, so you're quite mistaken.

Delirium

A quick sampling of the news articles found relating to the bombing. There are many more I haven't posted.

Irish Times, RTE, CNN, The Guardian, Wall street journal, Bloomberg, Huffington Post, Time.

Geography would the most likely reason it didn't break as quickly as what happened in Belgium.

It was certainly mentioned a lot in my twitter feeds about the lack of coverage shortly after the bombing. But almost all reckoned it was due to where it happened, not because of the religion of those that died.

If the bombing had happened in Europe with the same religious targets it would have been quicker in breaking and with more coverage. I don't buy this 'people don't care about Christians' narrative some are putting forward.

salmocab

alma73 wrote: »

65 catholics killed and little media coverage, no facebook apps to change your profile flag. It seems these families are not worthy our our media.

Could you have put less information in your OP about the tragedy? Complaining about a lack of media coverage when you can't even be bothered to say anything about it yourself speaks volumes about your compassion for the dead, very christian of you.

solodeogloria

Good morning all!

Arkady wrote: »

Sure as long as you get to jump on the anti Christian bandwagon and link to a parody on the Christian forum.

I think this is a touch uncharitable to Bannasidhe.

Even if the God account on Facebook is a parody I'm thankful for the fact that it drew attention to these attacks on Facebook aren't you?

Let's give grace to others in our conversation (Colossians 4:6) I'm thankful for non-Christians who highlight the horrendous killing of Christians.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

Arkady

solodeogloria wrote: »

Even if the God account on Facebook is a parody I'm thankful for the fact that it drew attention to these attacks on Facebook aren't you?

By using the murders of fellow Christians to ridicule your faith and ridicule God ? Funny the bedfellows hatred and sectarianism makes.

solodeogloria

Good morning!

Arkady wrote: »

By using the murders of fellow Christians to ridicule your faith and ridicule God ? Funny the bedfellows hatred and sectarianism makes.

I don't think the God account was ridiculing Christians in this post that Bannasidhe linked to.

Even if the account God might portray things from a secular perspective it is worth saying that secularists are not always our enemy. In fact a good deal more secularism in Pakistan might have prevented such horrendous acts from taking place in the first place.

Although I think atheists, agnostics, secularists and so called freethinkers are wrong about Jesus we should acknowledge good will when we see it. Bannasidhe's post was intended with good will and even if it wasn't God calls us to be gracious anyway.

It's worth adding that although I'm an evangelical and although I am critical of aspects of Catholic doctrine I aim to post out of love for the Lord Jesus and show that to others. That's why I registered.

Much thanks in the risen Lord Jesus,
solodeogloria

Delirium

Arkady wrote: »

By using the murders of fellow Christians to ridicule your faith and ridicule God ? Funny the bedfellows hatred and sectarianism makes.

Strange definition of ridicule you gave there. I would have expected Christians to view all lives as sacred.

feargale

Victor wrote: »

16,000 children under the age of 5 died today from disease and malnutrition. Where is your post on that?

Where is yours? Whatabout. Whatabout. Whatabout.

Arkady

Delirium wrote: »

Strange definition of ridicule you gave there. I would have expected Christians to view all lives as sacred.

I have no idea what you're trying to claim here.
The facebook parody profile of God, is a ridicule of God and faith. The faith these people were murdered for having.

Delirium

Arkady wrote: »

I have no idea what you're trying to claim here.
The facebook parody profile of God, is a ridicule of God and faith. The faith these people were murdered for having.

You claimed that the murders were being used to ridicule Christians. I'm trying to understand what content in the FB post lead you to that conclusion.

12Phase

alma73 wrote: »

Want to bet? Did they travel to turkey after the bombings?

They're actually not able to report from Turkey freely. For example http://m.spiegel.de/international/europe/a-1083144.html

It also arrested and detained UK journalists.

Pakistan unfortunately rates as one of to most difficult places on the planet to report in or from and it's currently going about listing journalists as terrorists.

You can blame the international media for not rushing to send correspondents to these places all you like but they've hugely restrictive censorship which operates both on the ground and also through media visa regimes.

Also Brussels and Paris are big European media centres with strong, established national media outlets with global reach (especially Paris). Thousands upon thousands of journalists work there all the time.

Add the physicial and cultural proximity and the fact that Brussels is *our* quasi capital of the EU with thousands of Irish people who regularly visit or live there and you'll explain the coverage disparity.

This endless blame the Western media not covering attacks in certain places line gets a bit ridiculous. CNN, BBC, France Televisons, ARD, and umpteen other major TV outlets and most of the major newspapers that have the resources put in vast amounts of coverage of these events. Some of them have even lost journalists in the field due to arracks. In many countries they're prevented from maintaining bureaus, treated as potential spies and so on too.

Some places are just difficult, expensive and highly dangerous to cover.

They also can't and won't take footage from state sources that cannot be verified. Or at least highlight that it's unverified. That's a very reasonable position to take.

It's not just far away and remote.

Ask Turkey why it's locking up and expelling journalists if you want to know why it's getting limited coverage.

Its authorities don't want coverage they don't control the message of or criticism of anything.

Belgium or France will absolutely allow and encourage open book critiques of everything because they're not authoritarian states, they embrace an open press and questions get asked and usually answered.

You'll see media absolutely laying into and analysing Belgiums internal problems and state incompetence. Try criticism of the Turkish PM or making accusations of police or intelligence service flaws and see how long your visa lasts ...

I'd also add that despite all that, the Pakistan arracks are at the top of CNN and BBC and several other major international outlets' news both online and on TV.

Stark

You won't see the hashtag ‪#‎JeSuisPakistan‬ trending.

No doubt because they don't speak French in Pakistan.

Arkady

Delirium wrote: »

You claimed that the murders were being used to ridicule Christians. I'm trying to understand what content in the FB post lead you to that conclusion.

The very purpose of the FB profile is to ridicule God and those of faith, and it's using those murders as one of it's many posts to promote the sharing of it's FB account. The poster could have linked to a number of reputable news sources about the murders, instead they chose to promote a parody account of God as a news source about the murders on the Christianity forum. Now they are free to do that, but lets not pretend it's being sincere. Is it in line with the Charter for this forum though ?

Arkady

solodeogloria wrote: »

It's worth adding that although I'm an evangelical and although I am critical of aspects of Catholic doctrine I aim to post out of love for the Lord Jesus and show that to others. That's why I registered.

Much thanks in the risen Lord Jesus,
solodeogloria

And yet instead of that you're on here supporting and defend the parodying of God when Christians are murdered and your "thankful" for the account. solodeogloria indeed.

5uspect

Arkady wrote: »

The very purpose of the FB profile is to ridicule God and those of faith, and it's using those murders as one of it's many posts to promote the sharing of it's FB account. The poster could have linked to a number of reputable news sources about the murders, instead they chose to promote a parody account of God as a news source about the murders on the Christianity forum. Now they are free to do that, but lets not pretend it's being sincere. Is it in line with the Charter for this forum though ?

And yet a parody of God within Pakistan would fall foul of their blasphemy law and that individual would be at risk of a similar fate to those christians.
If only God could stand up for himself.

Bannasidhe

Arkady wrote: »

The very purpose of the FB profile is to ridicule God and those of faith, and it's using those murders as one of it's many posts to promote the sharing of it's FB account. The poster could have linked to a number of reputable news sources about the murders, instead they chose to promote a parody account of God as a news source about the murders on the Christianity forum. Now they are free to do that, but lets not pretend it's being sincere. Is it in line with the Charter for this forum though ?

I ask again - do you disagree with the sentiment expressed?

solodeogloria

Good afternoon!

Arkady wrote: »

And yet instead of that you're on here supporting and defend the parodying of God when Christians are murdered and your "thankful" for the account. solodeogloria indeed.

I'm just asking you to chill out a bit.

I'm trying to be fair to Bannasidhe. She noted that the God account (which rightly or wrongly exists) brought attention to this horrible killing to thousands of people on Facebook. Yes. I am thankful to my Lord for that and for the goodwill of those who brought attention to it.

I'm not foaming at the mouth at non-believers or blasphemy. This will happen and God is still in control because He is sovereign. Don't you believe that also? God calls me to love them and long that they know Jesus.

Will you join me?

Much thanks in our Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

Arkady

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I ask again - do you disagree with the sentiment expressed?

Why would I ? Now perhaps you'll answer why you chose to express your sentiments regarding the murder of Christians, who were murdered because of their faith, by using it as an opportunity to promote a parody facebook account of God and faith, on the Christianity forum ?

Bannasidhe

Arkady wrote: »

Why would I ? Now perhaps you'll answer why you chose to express your sentiments regarding the murder of Christians, who were murdered because of their faith, by using it as an opportunity to promote a parody facebook account of God and faith, on the Christianity forum ?

What does it matter who expressed the sentiment?
Is the message diminished because you don't like the messenger?

The OP tried to claim there was some grand cover -up in the media and on FB.

I showed that far from there being a cover-up an account you call a 'parody' posted a strong message of sympathy, condemnation and calling FB to task.
This post was shared thousands of times by people of all faith and none because they agreed with the sentiment expressed.

But for some that's not good enough. The messenger must be 'approved'... but by whom?

You?

Arkady

Bannasidhe wrote: »

What does it matter who expressed the sentiment?
Is the message diminished because you don't like the messenger?

The OP tried to claim there was some grand cover -up in the media and on FB.

I showed that far from there being a cover-up an account you call a 'parody' posted a strong message of sympathy, condemnation and calling FB to task.
This post was shared thousands of time by people of all faith and none because they agreed with the sentiment expressed.

But for some that's not good enough. The messenger must be 'approved'... but by whom?

You?

Why did you chose to express your sentiments regarding people who were murdered for their faith, by using a parody facebook account of God and faith, on the Christianity forum, instead of any other news source on facebook ?

Bannasidhe

Arkady wrote: »

Why did you chose to express your sentiments regarding people who were murdered for their faith, by using a parody facebook account of God and faith, on the Christianity forum instead of any other facebook news source ?

I have already explained that.

But I will again since to seem to be having difficulty understanding.

I used that account to demonstrate that condemnation was expressed not just by people who share the faith of the murder victims but by those who are highly critical of that faith.

Which is exactly what the OP claimed was not happening.

Murder is murder regardless of the religious beliefs of the perpetrators or the victims.
NO religious belief justifies murder.
ALL religious fundamentalism that condones murder should be condemned by everyone.

You are the one trying to make some sectarian issue out of this and using these horrendous deaths to score points and claim persecution.

Shame on you.

Arkady

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I have already explained that.

But I will again since to seem to be having difficulty understanding.

I used that account to demonstrate that condemnation was expressed not just by people who share the faith of the murder victims but by those who are highly critical of that faith.

Which is exactly what the OP claimed was not happening.

Murder is murder regardless of the religious beliefs of the perpetrators or the victims.
NO religious belief justifies murder.
ALL religious fundamentalism that condones murder should be condemned by everyone.

You are the one trying to make some sectarian issue out of this and using these horrendous deaths to score points and claim persecution.

Shame on you.

Again, you could have chosen any secular news source on FB regarding the murders, but instead you preferred to use the event promote on the Christianity forum a FB page that actively pardories the faith they were murdered for.

Bannasidhe

Arkady wrote: »

Again, you could have chosen any secular news source on FB regarding the murders, but instead you preferred to use the event promote on the Christianity forum a FB page that actively pardories the faith they were murdered for.

If you truly believe I acted inappropriately please report me to the Mods.

I explained my reasons.
You don't like my reasons.
Let the mods decide.

Arkady

Why would I report it ? I like to see such posts out in the open for all to see. Much better.

Bannasidhe

Arkady wrote: »

Why would I report it ? I like to see such posts out in the open for all to see. Much better.

Indeed.
As are your responses.
It's good that people can see how you choose to express your faith.

Arkady

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Indeed.
As are your responses.
It's good that people can see how you choose to express your faith.

And how you express yours about people murdered for their faith.

Bannasidhe

Arkady wrote: »

And how you express yours about people murdered for their faith.

Indeed.

I condemned it without equivocation.

You complained about who condemned it.

And now I have more than enough of your silly games so unless you want to take your complaint to the mods I have said all I have to say to you.

Arkady

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Indeed.

I condemned it without equivocation.

You complained about who condemned it.

And now I have more than enough of your silly games so unless you want to take your complaint to the mods I have said all I have to say to you.

Actually you used the opportunity to promote a FB page on the Christianity that parodies and ridicules the faith they were murdered for, when countless other secular news sources could have been used. I'm actually glad people got to see you doing that, so I certainly won't be reporting it.

Delirium

MOD NOTE

Back on topic please, everyone.