Will you upgrade to a PlayStation 4.5 if it's released?

Snake Plisken

So rumours surfaced last week that Sony are working on an upgraded PlayStation 4 with a better GPU/CPU with native 4K support and will help the performance with the VR headset.
Having a launch PS4 that's noises as hell, I will probably upgrade to it when it's released, also for any players with a 4K TV native support from the PS4 means there should be no upscaling lag on games etc.
So is anyone else interested in upgrading if this releases?

Deep Six

It's interesting but unless there are seriously good trade in values available for the existing version, I won't be going near it.

quinnd6

No definitely not.
Sony can well and truly f off if they decide to do something like that.
I only bought the PS4 last September.
I don't want an upgrade.
They need to start making decent games for the console they already have ffs.

noodler

Ditto.

Only have it 9 months and only two games.

No chance.

EoinHef

Yes if the spec is right,as in can expect the vast majority of games to run at 1080p 60fps on it.

If thats not the case i think its a totally pointless exercise. A small improvement in performance would not be enough.

MilesMorales1

Absolutely, I'll be pre ordering it. Been wanting a 4K player as well.

noodler

EoinHef wrote: »

Yes if the spec is right,as in can expect the vast majority of games to run at 1080p 60fps on it.

If thats not the case i think its a totally pointless exercise. A small improvement in performance would not be enough.

I'm not a techy but can developers make one version of a game that works on both consoles but significantly better on a Ps4. 5?

How much extra work would this take?

Why would they bother if there's a Ps4 vanilla user Base of 45m compared to a few million 4.5s?

Captain Chaos

Id pre order straight away. I have my PS4 since launch and have got my value out of it, more than ready to jump up if the 4.5 was released this year.

Captain Chaos

noodler wrote: »

I'm not a techy but can developers make one version of a game that works on both consoles but significantly better on a Ps4. 5?

How much extra work would this take?

Why would they bother if there's a Ps4 vanilla user Base of 45m compared to a few million 4.5s?

They can just put in graphics options in the games like PC games have. Flick on the extras if you have a 4.5 and leave everything basic if you have a 4. PS4.5 will not be able to do 4k gaming though, not a hope in hell.

Console games are scales as it is so it's very easy to do. Dying Light got better textures and lighting effects added later by patches on PS4 and Xbox One. All these games are buil on PCs first and then scaled to each console by adjusting the settings and then locking in what they think is best.

Taltos

You know I was thinking the PS4 Slim was overdue.
I was surprised to hear it was a PS4K but depending on what it offers as I was already expecting to go for a slim which is not here now I don't see why not - depending on the price of course...

Snake Plisken

I think they are trying the apple models ie iPhone 6 and 6s, they know some of their community will upgrade, I suspect it will launch at the same time as the VR, as per compatability I suspect gMe publishers will offer patches to take advantage of the extra graphics and processing power on offer with the 4.5

noodler

I suppose, even if you have.4.5 or 4.75 or whatever i still find it hard to square why a developer would want to put in extra work for a minority of newer edition console owners when they make up a small number of customers.

Maybe the improvements are so small that they don't require devs to have massive development resources on them but then the whole thing seems pointless.

Of course, if it's all about 4K video then fair enough.

Captain Chaos

noodler wrote: »

I suppose, even if you have.4.5 or 4.75 or whatever i still find it hard to square why a developer would want to put in extra work for a minority of newer edition console owners when they make up a small number of customers.

Maybe the improvements are so small that they don't require devs to have massive development resources on them but then the whole thing seems pointless.
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What extra work are they really doing, most games are all cross platform now. They build the game on a PC first then scale it to consoles.

The PC has the best looking version, the PS4 is scaled down and then the Xbox One version is scaled down a bit more to average out the overall performance.

It's not 3 different builds from the ground up. Todays consoles are just locked down PCs compares to the last gen hardware.

lertsnim

No chance of me upgrading.

Edgarfrndly

I have a PS4 collecting dust. Have 6 games for it and haven't played it in months. No way I'll upgrade. PC gaming is just infinitely better and I'd rather invest into a new gfx card. The only game I'm looking forward to is Uncharted.

CiDeRmAn

No, not to be upgrading, it's a foolish idea.
The whole point of consoles is that you are freed from the yoke of upgrading your machine adhoc and developers know precisely what hardware they are writing for.

That said, we've been sold hardware revisions from the start of this hobby, from motherboard and chip revisions to wholesale OS replacements, if an updated PS4 was as innocuous as the shift from PS2 to PS2 Slim, or PS3 to PS3 Superslim I don't see what the problem will be, as long as the consumer who doesn't update isn't made to suffer.
In fact, hardware revisions have reduced capacity in the past, such as removing PS2 compatibility with the update from the 60gb PS2 or taking out the HDD bay and making the PS2 Slim, as well as removing ports from various evolutions of the PS1 and PS2.

jones

If the new ps4.5/4K whatever can do 1080p60 I would be all over it. I love my ps4 and have it since launch but I feel the current gpu in both ps4 and xb1 just isn't strong enough. It's feels like we've reached their limit very quickly graphically. When the specs where originally announced I feared they would struggle for 1080p60 and they do for the majority of games.

As for 4k games that is a long way off the only thing 4k about the new iteration will be media playback

MilesMorales1

Seems to be all but confirmed now. Can't wait for E3.

Snake Plisken

Interesting read on any potential upgrade of the hardware http://flip.it/GTBz8

CiDeRmAn

I'm pretty content with my PS4, and the machine has hardly had time to mature.
Remembering the annual performance increase that came from good coding on the PS, PS2 and PS3 I don't see why the PS4 is going to be any different.
I played Bloodborne again last night and it's spectacular still, and I would expect DSIII to be no different.
No way I'm going to be compelled into an upgrade path with my console.

Only thing and I do mean the only thing, is if The Last Guardian is in some way enhanced on the new hardware.
As much of a Nintendo fanboy as I am, I am an ICO/SotC fanboy first and foremost, if the long, long, looong awaited TLG came with improvements to a PS4.5 I'd probably invest.

Edit:
More speculation from link
Pretty similar to what Microsoft did with the 360, shifting to a new hardware revision that offered HDMI, original range of machines didn't have the port, this article suggests that the new PS4 console will be a slim version and include the hardware update to do little more than output 4k, both from streaming and downloaded media as well as compatible games.

Captain Chaos

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Seems to be all but confirmed now. Can't wait for E3.

Yeah seems to be tipped for a 2017 release.

Not bad, PS3 released here 2006 and the PS4 in 2013. 7 years for early adopters.

PS4 is an under powered conservitive console, in 2017 it will be 4 years old so it's makes sense. Part of the issue is that is was just bad timing of the gen 8 console releases as it happened just on the cusp of a major jump in tech hardware that had been stagnent for a long time. It could not have been forseen and people were more than ready to jump up at the time. It's just that the jump was smaller than expected.

Consoles are going the way of phones now in a way. More frequent hardware re freshes but all the old stuff still works fine but if you want the latest and greatest experiences you either put up or step up.

It's already happened the WiiU, it was so far behind hardware wise most third parties stopped supporting it as the other two were much closer in specs and coding.

astonaidan

No cant see the need for it, PS5 will be my next console

Unearthly

I'd like to say no but I clearly will. Damn me and my early adopter tendencies

EoinHef

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I'm pretty content with my PS4, and the machine has hardly had time to mature.
Remembering the annual performance increase that came from good coding on the PS, PS2 and PS3 I don't see why the PS4 is going to be any different.
I played Bloodborne again last night and it's spectacular still, and I would expect DSIII to be no different.
No way I'm going to be compelled into an upgrade path with my console.

Only thing and I do mean the only thing, is if The Last Guardian is in some way enhanced on the new hardware.
As much of a Nintendo fanboy as I am, I am an ICO/SotC fanboy first and foremost, if the long, long, looong awaited TLG came with improvements to a PS4.5 I'd probably invest.

Edit:
More speculation from link
Pretty similar to what Microsoft did with the 360, shifting to a new hardware revision that offered HDMI, original range of machines didn't have the port, this article suggests that the new PS4 console will be a slim version and include the hardware update to do little more than output 4k, both from streaming and downloaded media as well as compatible games.

The PS2 and 3 were totally custom hardware though,the gpu especially in the PS2 and the processer in the 3. That meant that there was a learning curve for devs and we saw gradual improvements as they got to grips with it.

The PS4 is different,its pretty much apu hardware from PC. Unified memory being the main difference. So it should peak a lot sooner as most devs are already familiar with this type of tech having coded for it on PC bar the memory configuration.

The GPU in the PS4 is based on the AMD 7870,a mid to high tier gpu released in 2012 and the cpu is is based on a low power mobile part. This was never a recipie for pushing high fidelity games for a decade.

dohboy

No. Going on my usual pace of when I buy consoles, I'll buy the 4.5 when the PlayStation 6 is coming out.

CiDeRmAn

dohboy wrote: »

No. Going on my usual pace of when I buy consoles, I'll buy the 4.5 when the PlayStation 6 is coming out.

I'm still waiting for agreement amongst my peers that the PS2 is finally retro.... the debate continues....

um7y1h83ge06nx

Don't think I will, dislike this whole upgrade nonsense with consoles, if I want to be upgrading mid generation I'd build a gaming PC.

Probably wait for the PS5.

noodler

I know I'll sound like an entitled spanner but..

If they do this, and it splits the userbase with games that run significantly better on the latest version, and I still don't think that'll happen, then I won't be buying a ps5.

The ps4 cost me 400 euro less than a year ago. People can tell me buyer beware or capitalism or whatever but if won't be getting burned a second time.

jonerkinsella

I probably will.

Taltos

I think this is less about the games and more about new components, and a drive from Netflix to up their content providers to 4K compatible devices... Just my gut feel but as before we were on track to normally see a PS4 Slim around this time, but with Netflix pushing 4K it might have seemed like a small step to bundle both.

Games I think will be pretty much the same, we might see the type of enhancement we saw on a PS2 with rounding etc but it's more about the content and possibly boosting it for the VR folk. Won't be one of them myself though, too likely to pull the damn box onto the floor.

Oafley Jones

Taltos wrote: »

I think this is less about the games and more about new components, and a drive from Netflix to up their content providers to 4K compatible devices... Just my gut feel but as before we were on track to normally see a PS4 Slim around this time, but with Netflix pushing 4K it might have seemed like a small step to bundle both.

Games I think will be pretty much the same, we might see the type of enhancement we saw on a PS2 with rounding etc but it's more about the content and possibly boosting it for the VR folk. Won't be one of them myself though, too likely to pull the damn box onto the floor.

This is my feeling too. Assuming this isn't a load of bollox to wrongfoot MS. Sony are going to go with the die shrink anyways so why not get added benefit from it by charging more for some extra capabilities (4K media, HDR) that need little more investment. Rather than price cuts with a PS4 Slim, you get to up charge for a PS4K.

DARK-KNIGHT

If 4k is the catch I won't upgrade as no way will I replace a perfectly fine tv for a 4k tv

Mitch Connor

I would probably order it - cause I will likely be looking to get the Playstation VR and the two would seem to go hand in hand.

I do have concerns on whether it would create a two -tier landscape.

Would you end up getting games that only work on the new unit? Or certain features will only be available on the new unit - like the N64 and its expansion pack for games like Perfect Dark. Part of the appeal of consoles over PC gaming, for me, is the knowledge the performance, graphics and features are set - and I don't have to worry about not being able to play any given game because my playstation can't handle it or handle it at top settings.

You can also look at the problems things like Playstation Eye and Kinnect have had in terms of game development because not everyone (in terms of 360 for Kinnect, or later Xbox One units) has the device so the developers can't commit to using it and thus alienating a large portion of the player base if features (or the game) require the device.

So, while I would get the upgraded unit, I see it being a problem for the console generation if/when it does come about. It is a very different prospect to Playstation Slim or later iterations of the Xbox 360 where the design was simply made more efficient, but had not signficant impact on game performance or development.

CiDeRmAn

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

If 4k is the catch I won't upgrade as no way will I replace a perfectly fine tv for a 4k tv

Yeah,

4K Tv,
and essential purchase in the same way as the 3D tv and curved tv's are....
What a waste of time.

I'm pretty happy with the blinding colours and deep blacks my decade old 42" Plasma provides, at 1080p, thankyouverymuch.....

RedXIV

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

If 4k is the catch I won't upgrade as no way will I replace a perfectly fine tv for a 4k tv

Ditto, 4k graphics wouldn't convince me to upgrade. Enhanced functionality would probably annoy me enough to invest, but like others, its not a step I want to see the console market take

Riesen_Meal

I think it really depends on what this is if I'm pushed to upgrade -

If they updated the GPU to push 1080/60 on a consistent basis then I would definitely be all over it...

If its only an incremental upgrade to enable 4K video via a special Bluray or something its not of much use to me as I don't plan on upgrading to a 4K TV anytime soon...

Captain Chaos

Fieldog wrote: »

I think it really depends on what this is if I'm pushed to upgrade -

If they updated the GPU to push 1080/60 on a consistent basis then I would definitely be all over it...

If its only an incremental upgrade to enable 4K video via a special Bluray or something its not of much use to me as I don't plan on upgrading to a 4K TV anytime soon...

As far as I know the current consoles can out put 4k video already. They can't do 4k gaming and neither will the PS4.5.

I see it as an upgrade to do 1080/60fps at all times. Also to get higher fps for VR games as they need 90 and 120fps, to get those frames with the current consoles you'd have to forget about HD graphics.

Snake Plisken

Captain Chaos wrote: »

As far as I know the current consoles can out put 4k video already. They can't do 4k gaming and neither will the PS4.5.

I see it as an upgrade to do 1080/60fps at all times. Also to get higher fps for VR games as they need 90 and 120fps, to get those frames with the current consoles you'd have to forget about HD graphics.

No current consoles cannot do 4K if you hook a PS4 up to a 4K tv, the TV's electronics will upscale the PS4's output to 4K, the problem with that is that you introduce lag due to the upscaling process, I know the PS4.5 won't do 4K gaming but it should be able to output 4K Netflix and YouTube etc, not sure what the impact will be with regard upscaling lag if it's done with by the PS4.5, Sony want people to buy 4K TV's and no doubt if this console launches they will probably release 4K TV's that work well with the PS4.5! It's all about making money at the end of the day for Sony!

MilesMorales1

Sony Corp. is planning to sell a more powerful version of its PlayStation 4 machine to handle higher-end gaming experiences, including virtual reality, people familiar with the matter said, while continuing production of its existing console that has so far sold more than 36 million units world-wide.

Existing PlayStation 4 owners would need to buy the new model to take full advantage of the enhanced graphics and power, though it is likely that the current model and the coming one would share the same software catalog, one of the people said.

The new console would be announced before the planned October release of the PlayStation VR, Sony’s new virtual-reality headset, the people said. It would be able to handle ultra-high-definition resolution graphics. The upgraded console would also provide more power for running the PlayStation VR, whose main competitors, Facebook Inc.’s Oculus Rift and HTC Corp.’s Vive, are designed to work with top-shelf computers.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/sony-plans-new-playstation-for-graphics-heavy-games-1459152941


*its happening gif*

keith16

I'm happy I didn't bother with the PS4 to be honest. Won't be bothering with this either.

Snake Plisken

keith16 wrote: »

I'm happy I didn't bother with the PS4 to be honest. Won't be bothering with this either.

Why bother commenting on this thread if you don't even own a PS4 then?

CiDeRmAn

I bought my PS4 for "graphics heavy gaming" I wasn't and still am not in the mood of spending more money on another console.
I'd be surprised if we end up with "enhanced" titles for the PS4.5, and I'll be p1ssed if they do.

jimmytwotimes 2013

This looks like it is a move to provide power for VR for those who will have it.

I have VR ordered so if this happens I could sell my existing PS4 for around €200-250, which means gaming since launch on the PS4 cost about €200. Not horrendous either when you think about it.

It looks like software will run on both PS4s, with enhanced graphics for PS4.5 available on certain games.

Xenji

The new console would have to have a lot of improvements besides 4K to justify me upgrading to it, plus I cannot use VR in its current incarnation, although I did trade in my launch model for the custom MGS model.

Snake Plisken

Well I for one have been contemplating changing out my PS4, since it sounds like a jet engine taking off when sitting at the Black Ops 3 menu, I have been waiting for the newer rev's of the motherboard like the 1200CH, but I think if it survives until this is released and is in and around the price of the standard PS4, I will probably go for it!

jimmytwotimes 2013

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/new-ps4-delivers-ultra-high-definition-resolution-/1100-6436054/?ftag=GSS-05-10aaa0b

listermint

This is clearly all for VR and ability to use it properly rather than hamper it.

I'm not sure what everyone is getting upset about or blaming sony for money grabbing.

The ps4 is not powerful enough to get to grips with what's needed for VR . if they want to have a good stab at it then a console change has to happen.

Thats the reality it's nothing to do with money grabbing.

Gonzo

listermint wrote: »

This is clearly all for VR and ability to use it properly rather than hamper it.

I'm not sure what everyone is getting upset about or blaming sony for money grabbing.

The ps4 is not powerful enough to get to grips with what's needed for VR . if they want to have a good stab at it then a console change has to happen.

Thats the reality it's nothing to do with money grabbing.

The PS4 is just about powerfull enough to pull off 1080p at 30fps on games with medium settings from a pc perspective, an entry level gaming laptop can perform better.

VR is a totally different kettle of nuns and even more demanding than trying to run the latest games.

A 970GTX graphics card is the entry level requirements to run games with VR support and that is way more powerfull than what's inside the current PS4 so an upgraded PS4 really is needed to properly take advantage of VR otherwise you'd be looking at a slide show rather than a fluid live experience.

Riesen_Meal

Gonzo wrote: »

The PS4 is just about powerfull enough to pull off 1080p at 30fps on games with medium settings from a pc perspective, an entry level gaming laptop can perform better.

VR is a totally different kettle of nuns and even more demanding than trying to run the latest games.

A 970GTX graphics card is the entry level requirements to run games with VR support and that is way more powerfull than what's inside the current PS4 so an upgraded PS4 really is needed to properly take advantage of VR otherwise you'd be looking at a slide show rather than a fluid live experience.

I built a PC to minimum VR Spec, cost me just over 1K, I have a 970 in mine, there is absolutely no way that a PS4 can have that kind of grunt for 400 quid...

I'm all for everything being 1080/60, I would consider upgrading then....

Even though I have an awesome Destiny limited edition PS4... :P

jones

1080/60 should be the goal of any updated ps4.5/4k otherwise what is the point? If they are just refreshing the console to output 4k media I don't think people will bother buying. VR will be a major resource and as others have said I don't think the current ps4 would be able to handle it adequately. Nice GPU upgrade would make me upgrade I have to say. Seeing the witcher 3 etc more like the pc version would be amazing

Is there a chance it could be BC and play PS3 games?