Young couples living in parents "sheds"

Skerries

people are buying "sheds" and putting them on their parents property while they save for a proper house

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/young-couples-sleeping-in-parents-garden-sheds-to-avoid-high-rents-34558408.html

stoplooklisten

Good idea

ted1

Tbh it's a non storey being dramatised by the paper , for years people have been living in mobile homes at the end of gardens. Those yokes cost about 30k and don't have a resale value . If your forking out 30k it's not to save for s deposit

Gumbo

Been going on for years. Planning enforcement here in Dublin deal with a lot of these cases as they are reported to them very often.

andekwarhola

Googled some of those sheds.

Now have serious want for one to use as a Man Den.

Mrs OBumble

And the problem is????

NIMAN

A hyped up load of nonsense, like all the Gardai that apparently sleep in their cars cos they can't afford petrol.

stoneill

People living in dwellings shocker.

antodeco

I have one in my back garden. It's used as a man cave. I have a bar, home brewery, full sound system, guitar wall, xbox one, 52" TV, and a sofa bed. If my missus would let me sleep in it, I would!

godtabh

I was at a house viewing a couple of weeks ago. Saw a lovely man cave. Only thing missing was a bed.

Deer

My parents are converting their concrete shed into a mini bungalow rather like a granny flat for a family member. They had to get planning for it. Also going to cost about 60k. Will be interesting to see how it works out. I think its madness. Family member they are building for will cover the cost but I think the electricity will have to be run from the main house.

andekwarhola

antodeco wrote: »

I have one in my back garden. It's used as a man cave. I have a bar, home brewery, full sound system, guitar wall, xbox one, 52" TV, and a sofa bed. If my missus would let me sleep in it, I would!

I hate you.

sbsquarepants

Deer wrote: »

My parents are converting their concrete shed into a mini bungalow rather like a granny flat for a family member. They had to get planning for it. Also going to cost about 60k. Will be interesting to see how it works out. I think its madness. Family member they are building for will cover the cost but I think the electricity will have to be run from the main house.

60K - now that is a shed an a half!
I'd love a man cave.

Butters1979

antodeco wrote: »

I have one in my back garden. It's used as a man cave. I have a bar, home brewery, full sound system, guitar wall, xbox one, 52" TV, and a sofa bed. If my missus would let me sleep in it, I would!

I love you. This is now my new aspiration in life.

Gumbo

Deer wrote: »

My parents are converting their concrete shed into a mini bungalow rather like a granny flat for a family member. They had to get planning for it. Also going to cost about 60k. Will be interesting to see how it works out. I think its madness. Family member they are building for will cover the cost but I think the electricity will have to be run from the main house.

It has to be connected to the main dwelling in order for it to be habitable. Otherwise it's just a garden shed ancillary to the main dwelling.

athtrasna

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the_syco

They're more often than not an extra room, giving the person a decent bedroom, a small kitchen, and a sitting room.

Great for those that are in the box room. Also, they are becoming popular to rent if there is a laneway giving the tenant alternative access, but some such places don't have plumbing.

Irishcrx

I have one as well down the back , converted the old garage for it, cost around 20k. It's pretty much a guest house/Man cave...I have a bar , TV , PS4 , corner couch , sound system , bathroom , kitchen , bedroom...but I'm going to convert the bedroom or part of it into a gym I think..

Idbatterim

They're more often than not an extra room, giving the person a decent bedroom, a small kitchen, and a sitting room.

Great for those that are in the box room. Also, they are becoming popular to rent if there is a laneway giving the tenant alternative access, but some such places don't have plumbing.

are ones with laneway access getting permission?

Wyldwood

What happens if the main house has to be sold, is the couple then turfed out on their ear as they have no access to 'shed'?

Wyldwood

Wyldwood wrote: »

What happens if the main house has to be sold, is the couple then turfed out on their ear as they have no access to 'shed'?

Obviously they would have to leave, though its not a situation that would evern happen I would imagine as for one its not a long term thing for them to live in the "shed" and secondly I doubt anyone would be going down that route of putting a "shed" in the garden if there was issues with the mortgage on the main house.

Its no different really to the common practice of living in a mobile home on your parents land while building your own house which is common in rural areas so that couples can move in togeather after getting married and build their house but avoid having to pay loads of rent.

the_syco

Idbatterim wrote: »

are ones with laneway access getting permission?

Not sure, but they appear on Daft from time to time.

Gumbo

Wyldwood wrote: »

What happens if the main house has to be sold, is the couple then turfed out on their ear as they have no access to 'shed'?

They are domestic sheds. They remain part of the main dwelling and transfer of ownership occurs at sake time. Same for granny flat extensions.

helimachoptor

tbh i'll probably be putting my mam into one of these in a few years :pac:

Gumbo

Idbatterim wrote: »

are ones with laneway access getting permission?

No. It has to be physically connected to the main dwellings and a permanent access link between then remaining in place at all times.

paulocon2

I have been thinking about something like this for some time now as a games room (pool table, tv etc.) for the teenage childer and of course myself!

Loads of companies offering cabins so very hard to choose. Out in the sticks in quite an exposed area so I'd have concerns about how well these cabins would hold up over time.

And so I imagine nobody reads the story

"The consumer is looking for a temporary solution, designed to get their children or families in a position to afford a down payment on a full-sized home," said Ecohouse director Terry Hutt.

kceire

kceire wrote: »

No. It has to be physically connected to the main dwellings and a permanent access link between then remaining in place at all times.

I reckon most are just not getting permission or getting permission for something that doesn't have a bedroom but putting in one anyway.

I can see in Dublin this may be a problem as people are not very neighbourly and report things awful fast but in other parts of the country its much easier particularly rural areas. You could more or less do what you want in my home area be it building sheds, extensions etc.

hytrogen

Surprised it's been spun so negatively. This is an opportunity for those of us with property to expand upon and earn a small cash income and more security.
With the growing pressures of being more efficient with land use I'm surprised councils are not being more encouraging of these creative developments, and yes MAN CAVES all round lads!

froggie76

When we decided to buy, we bought a mobile home for €500(which was less than our rent at the time) put it in the parents garden, saved like mad and worked all hours for about 8 months and got the deposit together for a house. When we moved out the younger brother took it over as a "man cave"

cassid

Am outnumbered in my house by males ,currently 9/1 , I think I need a female cave

Gumbo

Taylor Quiet Quail wrote: »

I reckon most are just not getting permission or getting permission for something that doesn't have a bedroom but putting in one anyway.

I can see in Dublin this may be a problem as people are not very neighbourly and report things awful fast but in other parts of the country its much easier particularly rural areas. You could more or less do what you want in my home area be it building sheds, extensions etc.

Believe it or not it would be the more "posh" areas that report each other. The likes of Finglas, coolock etc would have lower complaints about these types of uses.

ThisRegard

If they're below a certain size and height then they're exempt from requiring planning permission, so there's nothing to report in a lot of cases?

lawred2

Skerries wrote: »

people are buying "sheds" and putting them on their parents property while they save for a proper house

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/young-couples-sleeping-in-parents-garden-sheds-to-avoid-high-rents-34558408.html

unless the folks are paying for that shed (it's clearly not a shed) then how does that help saving for a deposit.

Absolute nonsense story.

lawred2

lawred2 wrote: »

unless the folks are paying for that shed (it's clearly not a shed) then how does that help saving for a deposit.

Absolute nonsense story.

A decent one can be got for €15,000. Depending on where you are living, that'd be 6 months rent. So after 6 months, it's very easy save for a deposit!

Idbatterim

I could convert current garage to studio or one bed apartment for two k max as I can do all the work myself. Seriously thinking about it. At 2k the repaymet time would be 3 months v rent and bills I'm paying now...

lawred2

Deleted User wrote: »

A decent one can be got for €15,000. Depending on where you are living, that'd be 6 months rent. So after 6 months, it's very easy save for a deposit!

fair enough I suppose

Idbatterim

It would be handy if these companies did a sell and buy back scheme, if and when the unit is no longer needed...

wandatowell

Could you put one of these in the back garden (with full Road access to the back) and rent it out to make a few quid?

lawred2

wandatowell wrote: »

Could you put one of these in the back garden (with full Road access to the back) and rent it out to make a few quid?

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/housing/renting_a_home/repairs_maintenance_and_minimum_physical_standards.html

Irishcrx

wandatowell wrote: »

Could you put one of these in the back garden (with full Road access to the back) and rent it out to make a few quid?

Yes , but you have to have a permanent connection to the main house for planning permission.

(Doesn't mean that door cannot be locked at all times)

syklops

froggie76 wrote: »

When we decided to buy, we bought a mobile home for €500(which was less than our rent at the time) put it in the parents garden, saved like mad and worked all hours for about 8 months and got the deposit together for a house. When we moved out the younger brother took it over as a "man cave"

Now, thats the way to do it.

Spending 20k on your temporary shed when saving for a deposit is madness. You'd have to work a lot of hours to make up that 20k. In fact 20k will get you 18 months rent in a standard 2 bedroom apartment.

Im getting a bit of "Look at me, Im forced to live in a shed in my parents garden to save for a deposit", when in fact its more a case of people being as frivolous with their money before they even get their deposit.

Gumbo

ThisRegard wrote: »

If they're below a certain size and height then they're exempt from requiring planning permission, so there's nothing to report in a lot of cases?

Sorry that's incorrect info. The area and height restrictions are for domestic sheds. The moment someone starts sleeping in one it becomes habitable and it then becomes planning non-compliant. Reports of people sleeping in sheds are a 100% valid complaint.

Gumbo

Deleted User wrote: »

A decent one can be got for €15,000. Depending on where you are living, that'd be 6 months rent. So after 6 months, it's very easy save for a deposit!

€2500 rent per month. Wtf are they renting for that price?

Gumbo

wandatowell wrote: »

Could you put one of these in the back garden (with full Road access to the back) and rent it out to make a few quid?

Short answer = no.

kceire

kceire wrote: »

€2500 rent per month. Wtf are they renting for that price?

I did say it depended on where it was! Even if they were paying up to 2,000 a month, they would soon be able to start saving for their own home.

The bigger question is why they don't just live in the parents house and save all rent and shed buying expenses.

Spanish Eyes

I think planning should be given for these provided the owner allows RA tenants or family members to live in or rent them.

Housing shortage helped.

Minimum standards of course as per regs.

Why is it frowned upon I wonder provided regs are met?

Mrs OBumble

Taylor Quiet Quail wrote: »

The bigger question is why they don't just live in the parents house and save all rent and shed buying expenses.

We've had this discussion before.

Maturation is the short answer.

Have you actually tried living with a partner in your mammy's house? How did the kitchen-sharing thing work out???

madmac187

A dumbass friend of mine lives in one of these on his parents farm with his girlfriend.

syklops

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

We've had this discussion before.

Maturation is the short answer.

Have you actually tried living with a partner in your mammy's house? How did the kitchen-sharing thing work out???

I can foresee lots of problems but to be honest, the kitchen doesnt immediately spring to mind as being one of them.

Actually when I wrote the above I was imagining sharing the kitchen with my parents where thered be no hassle. Then I imagined sharing with the parents of herself. :eek: