New iPhone 5 se

tramoreman77

Could anyone tell me have they ever ordered an iPhone from Apple directly,and is it unlocked to any network when you buy it,is the site in the United States ,cause I'd like to order one but not sure about it thanks

davo2001

tramoreman77 wrote: »

Could anyone tell me have they ever ordered an iPhone from Apple directly,and is it unlocked to any network when you buy it,is the site in the United States ,cause I'd like to order one but not sure about it thanks

If you order from the Apple website then the phone is not carrier locked (its unlocked).

DubDJ

tramoreman77 wrote: »

Could anyone tell me have they ever ordered an iPhone from Apple directly,and is it unlocked to any network when you buy it,is the site in the United States ,cause I'd like to order one but not sure about it thanks

You can't order from the US site. Better to order off Apple.com/ie or you can go though parcel motel or whatever and save money sometimes from the UK site. The Irish site is the best bet. And it will he unlocked to any network.

itech

Not available in ireland utill 29. Better off waiting and ordering from apple.ie for warranty etc..

itech

Not available in ireland untill 29. Better off waiting and ordering from apple.ie for warranty etc..

AndyBoBandy

If you know someone in America, you can order online for in store collection in their local store, but beware the prices on the US site as they don't include the state sales tax (7% in Mass), though if the currency rates are favourable, you can still save a little bit!

big_drive

What is the cost going to be?

jack presley

big_drive wrote: »

What is the cost going to be?

€499 and €599

tramoreman77

Thanks for all your advice

coylemj

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

If you know someone in America, you can order online for in store collection in their local store, but beware the prices on the US site as they don't include the state sales tax (7% in Mass), though if the currency rates are favourable, you can still save a little bit!

It's priced at $399 and $499 in the US so even if you were paying NYC sales tax at 8.875% and a 2.25% hike on the credit card transaction, you'd still have either model in your hand for €105 less than what it would cost in Ireland.

BTW, there's no '5' in the model name, it's the iPhone SE.

flexcon

coylemj wrote: »

It's priced at $399 and $499 in the US so even if you were paying NYC sales tax at 8.875% and a 2.25% hike on the credit card transaction, you'd still have either model in your hand for €105 less than what it would cost in Ireland.

BTW, there's no '5' in the model name, it's the iPhone SE.

True, however don't forget, buy in Ireland and for that €100 odd, you are keeping your 6 years consumer law and my dealings with Apple have shown they respect this and more.

jack presley

coylemj wrote: »

It's priced at $399 and $499 in the US so even if you were paying NYC sales tax at 8.875% and a 2.25% hike on the credit card transaction, you'd still have either model in your hand for €105 less than what it would cost in Ireland.

BTW, there's no '5' in the model name, it's the iPhone SE.

I know it's been asked a million times before but a phone bought in the States definitely works here ok?

AndyBoBandy

jack presley wrote: »

I know it's been asked a million times before but a phone bought in the States definitely works here ok?

Yes, as long as it's a 'sim card' version, i.e. for AT&T,

I believe one of the networks over there don't use sim cards, but when buying an iPhone from an Apple store, I believe they only sell the sim unlocked phones (i.e. the same ones Apple sell over here.

I believe the other version of the iPhone is supplied directly by the carrier (Verizon I believe)

coylemj

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Yes, as long as it's a 'sim card' version, i.e. for AT&T,

I believe one of the networks over there don't use sim cards, but when buying an iPhone from an Apple store, I believe they only sell the sim unlocked phones (i.e. the same ones Apple sell over here.

I believe the other version of the iPhone is supplied directly by the carrier (Verizon I believe)

Verizon used to be the oddball model that you could not bring to Europe, even when unlocked as it didn't take a sim. That now applies to the iPhone designed to work on the Sprint network, it doesn't take a sim but both the online and bricks and mortar Apple stores all sell sim-free models which will work over here no problem.

massy086

coylemj wrote: »

Verizon used to be the oddball model that you could not bring to Europe, even when unlocked as it didn't take a sim. That now applies to the iPhone designed to work on the Sprint network, it doesn't take a sim but both the online and bricks and mortar Apple stores all sell sim-free models which will work over here no problem.

yes but isn't there also a Problem with the 4g frequencies the USA phones use??

j14

Just to comment on the iPhone working in other countries. My wife has a sim free iPhone 5C (orginally Vodafone but factory unlocked) but it would not work in the USA. We brought it to am Apple store in Las Vegas and they just said it's the "European model" and that's why it didn't work in the USA. My sim free Galaxy S5 worked perfectly.

tramoreman77

I'm confused now,if I buy the model from Ireland il have a longer warranty ,and it is unlocked worldwide ?or if I buy from the us site it's cheaper but smaller warranty ,if I preorder will I get the phone on the launch day

coylemj

massy086 wrote: »

yes but isn't there also a Problem with the 4g frequencies the USA phones use??

If you're buying an iPhone in the US and intend using it in Europe, just ask for the 'GSM model', that will work on our 4G networks.

The iPhone SE model you need is the A1723 (GSM).

LTE Support by country ...

http://www.apple.com/iphone/LTE/

coylemj

j14 wrote: »

Just to comment on the iPhone working in other countries. My wife has a sim free iPhone 5C (orginally Vodafone but factory unlocked) but it would not work in the USA. We brought it to am Apple store in Las Vegas and they just said it's the "European model" and that's why it didn't work in the USA. My sim free Galaxy S5 worked perfectly.

Was her mobile account enabled for international roaming? The phone should have worked on some of the US networks, at least for voice and SMS. Otherwise what you are suggesting is that people in Europe who travel to the US frequently can't bring their iPhones with them because they won't work over there which is clearly not the case.

TBi

coylemj wrote: »

The phone should have worked on some of the US networks, at least for voice and SMS.

My iPhone 3GS, 4S & 5 worked fine in the US (and Canada). Not sure what's so special about the 5C since it's basically a 5 in a new shell.

j14

coylemj wrote:

Was her mobile account enabled for international roaming? The phone should have worked on some of the US networks, at least for voice and SMS. Otherwise what you are suggesting is that people in Europe who travel to the US frequently can't bring their iPhones with them because they won't work over there which is clearly not the case.

Yes because she used it in Europe last year so it was set up for roaming. The whole time in the USA it just said searching on the signal bar, it also didn't work in Mexico either. That's the reason why we brought it to the Apple store...to let the Apple geniuses look at it but they couldn't do anything for us.

Tom Dunne

j14 wrote: »

Yes because she used it in Europe last year so it was set up for roaming. The whole time in the USA it just said searching on the signal bar, it also didn't work in Mexico either

If that's the case, then it is more likely that your phone when used in the US couldn't find a network provider who has an arrangement with your Irish provider.

A manual network search might have worked.

j14

No the Apple geniuses tried a manual search but the phone would not connect. They just gave up after about 30 minutes and said "it's a European model, it won't work in the USA."

flexcon

j14 wrote: »

No the Apple geniuses tried a manual search but the phone would not connect. They just gave up after about 30 minutes and said "it's a European model, it won't work in the USA."

I suggest they probably meant to say " it's a european model, it may not work here"

I was in Vegas last year and my 5C worked just fine with Meteor. 100% this is a localised issue to this phone or network at that time.

The iPhone 6, 6 Plus, 6s and 6S Plus and now the iPhone SE have different model model numbers from the US that are sold in the UK. However, they offer the same 4G bands on both devices. The link was posted above there Ill post again

http://www.apple.com/iphone/LTE/

Regarding warranty. Worldwide the warranty is the same. 1 year Apple warranty. This warranty is not valid outside the continents they're sold in . So your US iPhone may not be serviced in Europe, and vice versa. They may do it, but it is up to their discretion. My inside source tells me this has changed since the iPhone 6, as they have the same Antenna inside now.

No consumer law in the US though.

so to sum up. Any network unlocked GSM iPhone listed above sold in the US will work just fine here in Europe and that includes 4G networks.

In Ireland however you get 6 years of consumer law and as mentioned, this is very handy when or if something does go wrong.

Yorky

itech wrote: »

Not available in ireland utill 29. Better off waiting and ordering from apple.ie for warranty etc..

I've used this before to get a replacement iPhone 5 which was two years old.

The SE is available in the UK for pre-order from tomorrow 24th rather than 29th in Ireland. The UK price for the 64Gb version is £439 (€555) representing a €44 saving on the Irish price.

Would the statutory 6 year Irish guarantee be affected by buying it in the UK but registering it in Ireland?

coylemj

Tom Dunne wrote: »

If that's the case, then it is more likely that your phone when used in the US couldn't find a network provider who has an arrangement with your Irish provider.

A manual network search might have worked.

If the auto search can't find a network that has an agreement with your home network, how will a manual search find one?

You'd only do a manual search if you knew in advance that one specific network had better call and data rates, otherwise you just let the phone do an auto search.

coylemj

j14 wrote: »

No the Apple geniuses tried a manual search but the phone would not connect. They just gave up after about 30 minutes and said "it's a European model, it won't work in the USA."

What network was your wife on in Ireland? As others have said, there is no technical reason why the phone wouldn't work. The iPhones sold here are quad-band GSM so they will definitely work on at least some of the US Networks for (at a minimum) voice and SMS.

Sad Professor

Yorky wrote: »

Would the statutory 6 year Irish guarantee be affected by buying it in the UK but registering it in Ireland?

Irish consumer rights apply to Irish sellers. If you buy it in the UK you'll be covered by UK consumer rights. Up to 2 years, it's unlikely Apple would be fussy about this as long as you purchased the phone from them. But after (or even before depending on the circumstances) they could start pleasing ignorance and you'd have to take it to a UK court.

And to be clear - it's not a 6 year guarantee in Ireland. You just have 6 years to make a claim.

j14

coylemj wrote:

What network was your wife on in Ireland? As others have said, there is no technical reason why the phone wouldn't work. The iPhones sold here are quad-band GSM so they will definitely work on at least some of the US Networks for (at a minimum) voice and SMS.

We are both on Tesco Mobile.

My Galaxy S5 worked perfectly her iPhone 5c was useless.

PrettyBoy

I was planning on pre-ordering an SE from the Irish site for €599 - would it be worth ordering from the UK site instead? Obviously if the price delivered is €555 then it would be silly not to, but would it need to be delivered to a UK address (Parcel Motel)? Also, if in a few months the phone is found to be faulty and needs to be sent back to Apple for repair/replacement (this has happened to me a few times) would there be any hassle due to the fact that it was purchased via the UK site?

Lockster

Tesco mobile has an issue with roaming on iPhone 5 and above. You have to make some changes to the settings prior to travelling for it to work, so I'd say that was your problem. My wife found this out on holiday in Portugal last year with an iPhone 5 on Tesco mobile.

See this link for details:

http://www.tescomobile.ie/help-centre/category.aspx?id=5

coylemj

PrettyBoy wrote: »

I was planning on pre-ordering an SE from the Irish site for €599 - would it be worth ordering from the UK site instead? Obviously if the price delivered is €555 then it would be silly not to, but would it need to be delivered to a UK address (Parcel Motel)? Also, if in a few months the phone is found to be faulty and needs to be sent back to Apple for repair/replacement (this has happened to me a few times) would there be any hassle due to the fact that it was purchased via the UK site?

You don't appear to have factored in the FX uplift on the sterling price that will be applied by your credit card company. The 64GB model costs £439 in the UK and you're converting that to €555 which equates to a rate of 0.791 - more or less the current interbank rate - today's ECB rate for EUR/GBP is 0.78985.

Even if Apple UK accept an Irish credit card, by the time you factor in the PM charge and the CC uplift, you will be paying about €572.

whiterebel

coylemj wrote: »

You don't appear to have factored in the FX uplift on the sterling price that will be applied by your credit card company. The 64GB model costs £439 in the UK and you're converting that to €555 which equates to a rate of 0.791 - more or less the current interbank rate - today's ECB rate for EUR/GBP is 0.78985.

Even if Apple UK accept an Irish credit card, by the time you factor in the PM charge and the CC uplift, you will be paying about €572.

There have been plenty on here getting new iPhones on release from Apple UK sent to ParcelMotel, so I don't think the Irish credit card is an issue any more.

Heisenberg1

whiterebel wrote: »

There have been plenty on here getting new iPhones on release from Apple UK sent to ParcelMotel, so I don't think the Irish credit card is an issue any more.

I got the ip6 and 6s with parcel motel and my Irish CC never a problem.

Tom Dunne

coylemj wrote: »

If the auto search can't find a network that has an agreement with your home network, how will a manual search find one?

You'd only do a manual search if you knew in advance that one specific network had better call and data rates, otherwise you just let the phone do an auto search.

I live abroad and my (then) O2 phone would not connect to the mobile network. I rang O2, they said they do not have a roaming agreement with anyone in this country, so I did a manual search and connected without problems for voice and text.

Batesy

Went ahead and ordered the Silver 64GB with a Navy leather case from AppleUK this morning.

Never liked the size of the 6 so this SE suits me just perfect.

tramoreman77

Was it cheaper compared to Irish site

Batesy

tramoreman77 wrote: »

Was it cheaper compared to Irish site

I've not been billed yet but it looks like it'll work out cheaper and the savings I made are going towards the leather case. That's how I'm looking at it anyway.

On todays exchange rate £439 = €556

There will probably be extra VAT added but it still should work out slightly cheaper.

tramoreman77

Batesy wrote: »

I've not been billed yet but it looks like it'll work out cheaper and the savings I made are going towards the leather case. That's how I'm looking at it anyway.

On todays exchange rate £439 = €556

There will probably be extra VAT added but it still should work out slightly cheaper.

Can I ask you how you did it as its my first time ever ordering anything like this online ,if you could run me through it I'd be very grateful

coylemj

Tom Dunne wrote: »

I live abroad and my (then) O2 phone would not connect to the mobile network. I rang O2, they said they do not have a roaming agreement with anyone in this country, so I did a manual search and connected without problems for voice and text.

When you do a manual search, it lists every local network, how did you know which one to connect to? If you tried them all in turn until you got one to talk to you, that's exactly what an auto search does.

Heisenberg1

tramoreman77 wrote: »

Can I ask you how you did it as its my first time ever ordering anything like this online ,if you could run me through it I'd be very grateful

Go to the UK Apple Store select the phone you want enter your parcel motel address in as your shipping address. Input your CC details and order. Use the guest check out.

Heisenberg1

jack presley wrote: »

I know it's been asked a million times before but a phone bought in the States definitely works here ok?

Yes it will.

bittihuduga

does any business user know - what is the story with vat if you purchase from UK or US? can we claim back the vat for business as we do for irish purchases?

traco

bittihuduga wrote: »

does any business user know - what is the story with vat if you purchase from UK or US? can we claim back the vat for business as we do for irish purchases?

No VAT reclaim from US, possible from UK but a right pain. If you are VAT registered just buy it local.

FourFourRED

Sad Professor wrote: »

Irish consumer rights apply to Irish sellers. If you buy it in the UK you'll be covered by UK consumer rights. Up to 2 years, it's unlikely Apple would be fussy about this as long as you purchased the phone from them. But after (or even before depending on the circumstances) they could start pleasing ignorance and you'd have to take it to a UK court.

And to be clear - it's not a 6 year guarantee in Ireland. You just have 6 years to make a claim.

6 years to make a claim in England too.

http://www.apple.com/uk/legal/statutory-warranty/

Batesy

Heisenberg1 wrote: »

Go to the UK Apple Store select the phone you want enter your parcel motel address in as your shipping address. Input your CC details and order. Use the guest check out.

I did all that but I still logged in with my Irish Apple ID and it let me use Parcel Motel as delivery address.

coylemj

Batesy wrote: »

I did all that but I still logged in with my Irish Apple ID and it let me use Parcel Motel as delivery address.

Some vendors will allow you to ship to an address other than the one on your credit card account - is that the issue that you're raising?

Amazon UK don't have a problem shipping goods for ROI customers to Parcel Motel in Belfast which is a different address (and technically a different country) to their credit card addresses. Smaller vendors typically won't take a chance and will insist on delivering to the same address.

Heisenberg1

Batesy wrote: »

I did all that but I still logged in with my Irish Apple ID and it let me use Parcel Motel as delivery address.

Yeah you can do that, but I wasn't sure if the poster had an Apple ID.

Batesy

coylemj wrote: »

Some vendors will allow you to ship to an address other than the one on your credit card account - is that the issue that you're raising?

Amazon UK don't have a problem shipping goods for ROI customers to Parcel Motel in Belfast which is a different address (and technically a different country) to their credit card addresses. Smaller vendors typically won't take a chance and will insist on delivering to the same address.

I had no issue.

PrettyBoy

For those that have ordered from the UK site, were you given an estimated delivery date?

Batesy

PrettyBoy wrote: »

For those that have ordered from the UK site, were you given an estimated delivery date?

Delivery date between 1-5 April