IE Pay Claim

end of the road

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Thats because, finally, the transport unions have come up against a company that will not roll over and take it, a company that's at arms length from the state.

the transport unions were always up against companies who will not roll over and take it. the state companies negotiate and continue to do so until a deal is reached no matter how long it takes however. the strikes that may happen only last a day and you might only get about 1 every couple of years. so the unions aren't up against anything new.

oppenheimer1

end of the road wrote: »

the transport unions were always up against companies who will not roll over and take it. the state companies negotiate and continue to do so until a deal is reached no matter how long it takes however. the strikes that may happen only last a day and you might only get about 1 every couple of years. so the unions aren't up against anything new.

That's because the state companies always roll over and do a deal, no matter how ridiculous the claim. The unions have never been told to get lost - and to be honest that reflects more on the weakness of CIE and the governments management rather than the unions themselves.

end of the road

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

That's because the state companies always roll over and do a deal, no matter how ridiculous the claim. The unions have never been told to get lost - and to be honest that reflects more on the weakness of CIE and the governments management rather than the unions themselves.

untrue. the state companies don't roll over and do a deal no matter how ridiculous the claim. they negotiate hard and a deal is reached that suits both sides. however, they continue negotiating regardless of how long it takes and eventually both sides come to an agreement. the unions are always told to get lost when they put in the original claim, they have to work down and come to the table before any negotiations happen. CIE and the government are not weak, so being good negotiators does not reflect on anything apart from being good at negotiation. there is no weakenss that anything can reflect on.

hmmm

The standard transport union playbook.

1. Unions raise some scheduling or safety issue
2. Company denies issue exists
3. Unions threaten a strike, ask for pay increase which will apparently solve the issue. Work to rule starts.
4. Company issues a "strongly worded statement" saying they have no money
5. One day strike, more threatened
6. Minister intervenes
7. Negotiations until 4 in the morning. Fares increased, union receives pay increase.

cdebru

hmmm wrote: »

The standard transport union playbook.

1. Unions raise some scheduling or safety issue
2. Company denies issue exists
3. Unions threaten a strike, ask for pay increase which will apparently solve the issue. Work to rule starts.
4. Company issues a "strongly worded statement" saying they have no money
5. One day strike, more threatened
6. Minister intervenes
7. Negotiations until 4 in the morning. Fares increased, union receives pay increase.

Give an example of where this has happened ?

TheExile1878

cdebru wrote: »

Give an example of where this has happened ?

Everywhere.

cdebru

TheExile1878 wrote: »

Everywhere.

That is not an answer, mainly because the assertion is hyperbole. Again give an example of where this playbook has played out. A specific example.

trellheim

For reference

http://nbru.ie/union/index.php/category/press-release/

various bad-tempered letters between IE, NBRU and solicitors.

Merits of the two sides aside, kudos to NBRU for publishing the correspondence. It at least forms some basis for judgement as both sides are at least shown. Compare to SIPTU/Transdev.

pj.dublin

NBRU are usually seen as the more militant of the unions, make one wonder what SIPTU is up to with the LUAS