Anti Starbucks Anti Apple Brigade

nails1

I hear a lot of people boasting that they hate Starbucks and wouldn't touch an apple product almost to the point that they are greatly proud. Is it a cool thing to say I don't like them either i.e does it make me unique or stand out from the crowd?

NomadicGray

nails1 wrote: »

I hear a lot of people boasting that they hate Starbucks and wouldn't touch an apple product almost to the point that they are greatly proud. Is it a cool thing to say I don't like them either i.e does it make me unique or stand out from the crowd?

It makes you a bellend

banned

Valetta

nails1 wrote: »

I hear a lot of people boasting that they hate Starbucks and wouldn't touch an apple product almost to the point that they are greatly proud. Is it a cool thing to say I don't like them either i.e does it make me unique or stand out from the crowd?

Could hardly be unique if all your friends are saying it.

ithink.

mansize

nails1 wrote: »

I hear a lot of people boasting that they hate Starbucks and wouldn't touch an apple product almost to the point that they are greatly proud. Is it a cool thing to say I don't like them either i.e does it make me unique or stand out from the crowd?

Its all rage against the machine...

I just ignore them, and order a starbucks latte on my apple watch :pac:

darkpagandeath

Yeah Damn those people against Suicide nets. And crap coffee. Most of the same though fall for the stupid expensive ahem Craft beers....

rubadub

nails1 wrote: »

I hear a lot of people

nails1 wrote: »

does it make me unique

Do you know what unique means?

smash

"Starbucks coffee is shit!"

Oh, tell me more about your Barista training...

The Backwards Man

I'm anti spending money foolishly.

mansize

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I'm anti spending money foolishly.

I'm anti advising how other people should spend theirs

Ruu

I'm anti thread starting, down with this sort of thing!

teddykrueger

Christ. Another 'Brigade'.

Sonics2k

smash wrote: »

"Starbucks coffee is shit!"

Oh, tell me more about your Barista training...

Starbucks coffee is ****.

Worked as a barista and assistant manager in a restaurant in Brown Thomas for two years.

Does that help?

Zillah

smash wrote: »

"Starbucks coffee is shit!"

Oh, tell me more about your Barista training...

I'm far from a coffee snob but I really think their coffee tastes like it's been burnt. Also it's obscenely expensive.

Duggy747

As a person who used to fix Apple devices for a living and worked beside a Starbucks I can safely say my personal dislike for both is warranted. :pac:

Though at Xmas they did do those Toffee / Caramel drinks which were like crack to me, but their regular coffee I never liked at all.

Harry Palmr

The only Apple product I own features 4 mop tops from Liverpool.

mansize

Duggy747 wrote: »

As a person who used to fix Apple devices for a living and worked beside a Starbucks I can safely say my personal dislike for both is warranted. :pac:

Though at Xmas they did do those Toffee / Caramel drinks which were like crack to me, but their regular coffee I never liked at all.

kept you in Toffee/caramel drinks didn't it?

smash

Sonics2k wrote: »

Starbucks coffee is ****.

Worked as a barista and assistant manager in a restaurant in Brown Thomas for two years.

Does that help?

No. It's still just your opinion.

eviltimeban

smash wrote: »

"Starbucks coffee is shit!"

Oh, tell me more about your Barista training...

I don't need barista training to know that Starbucks coffee tastes like sh*t, much in the same way that I don't need to be a trained chef to know that McDonald's is muck.

murpho999

I use Starbucks the odd time and I find their coffee is fine. I don't get this hatred and people labelling it sh1t.

Each time I go they have a different flavour on offer and they can be tasty.

Some people on the internet liek to man and complain, no matter what.

(Posted via an iPhone!)

Elemonator

I hate Starbucks, madly overpriced ****.

I only use an iPhone because I need to keep track of a lot of emails per day and I found its user interface useful.

Does that make me a bellend?

smash

eviltimeban wrote: »

I don't need barista training to know that Starbucks coffee tastes like sh*t, much in the same way that I don't need to be a trained chef to know that McDonald's is muck.

There's a big difference between your comparisons here. You think Starbucks coffee tastes like shit because of your preference for coffee. You know McDonalds is muck because it's junk food and has been reported world wide as being bad for you, but it's still tasty.

Zillah

Apple is a mixed bag for me.

Cons:
- Absolute psychopathic control freaks when it comes to what goes on your computer and how. They do their absolute best to force you to get everything through their own store, they block installation of unregistered apps by default, they force apps to issue authentication certs for DRM, etc.
- Ridiculous mark up on hardware prices. You could get the same CPU, RAM, GPU, etc, for about 60% what they charge.
- Pretentious culture of gob****es who act like Mac is their fupping religion.

Pros
- Gorgeous hardware. I own a Macbook Air and by God it is a beauty to use. The aluminium case is sleek and light, the keyboard a pleasure to use - even the hinge on the screen has the perfect level of tension. They really put a lot of polish into their machines.
- OSX is a really nice, tidy, easy to use operating system.
- Apple make a bunch of really nice media applications. Final Cut might have taken a bit of a nose dive lately but their video editing stuff is still very user friendly.

EDIT:
I loathe iOS with a passion though. I feel like throwing iPads and iPhones out the window every time I try to do anything even the slightest bit complicated because they try their hardest to lock you out of doing anything beyond superficial day-to-day use.

Gatling

If you like over priced over sugared dirty sock water and like to pose with a phone rather than use one yeah what's to complain about .


Android FTW .

Posers buy apple

People who want customisation buy android

Smart people buy Windows

beach_walker

I can't complain about Starbucks. Not in there often t'all but it seems grand. Lads are work are all about this wanky-dank fancy cafe nearby. It's the same price but honestly I don't taste the difference.


I've owned Android and Windows phones, currently have an iPhone. This angers people for some reason. Though I do find it funny when they start ranting about how it's sh!t. I've worked on enterprise level apps for all three (lol @ Windows) mobile platforms. I think I know a little bit more about it than your average Joe. Not that all tech minded people agree on this thing, it's just laughable being lectured on the pros/cons of a platform from a person who couldn't figure out how to get rid of those annoying Ask/Google/bing toolbars from their browser.

rubadub

nails1 wrote: »

Is it a cool thing to say I don't like them either

Do you have an issue with either of them?

There is usually no smoke without fire. Some could be simply begrudging the most successful items. However it seems Samsung sell a fair amount more phones than apple, but I have not heard of any anti-samsung brigade. There are plenty of other cafes that also do not get as much hate.

beach_walker wrote: »

I do laugh when friends start telling me how sh!t my iPhone is.

What issues do they have with them? I have heard plenty of people advising against iphones but not saying they are sh!t

smash

Gatling wrote: »

If you like over priced over sugared dirty sock water and like to pose with a phone rather than use one yeah what's to complain about .


Android FTW .

Posers buy apple

People who want customisation buy android

Smart people buy Windows

The only people who talk about Apple products are android users.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Op, I think the issue people have, is with fanboys. That person that buys a new iphone, ipod, ipad every year, even if their old one is fine. According to them, products without the Apple logo do not exist. Same with people who only drink starbucks and think it's the greatest coffee in the world, they won't drink anything else. These people don't seem to know wtf they are talking about, because this coffee is ok at best.

I've had an iphone and an android (both at the same time, almost broke the world). The iphone seemed to be built very nicely, a nice size etc, but a pain in the ass to use compared to the android interface. I have used many versions of android too. I used the ipad and an another top line tablet, found the ipad to be much nicer to use, although it was about 25% more expensive. Same with the ipod. I find the interface and overall quality much nicer than any other mp3 player I have used before (also top of the line products).

As for their computers. Well I think they are very pricey, but they do serve a purpose. The monitors are fantastic for editing pictures, so in this case it would be ideal for a professional photographer to own a mac air or the likes.

The products have pros and cons. Owning either doesn't make you a douche, nerd, smarter, dumber, etc than any other product, unlike what some of the above posters are suggesting condesendingly.

nkav86

Zillah wrote:

I'm far from a coffee snob but I really think their coffee tastes like it's been burnt. Also it's obscenely expensive.

This! Not a fan of apple products either, too pricey

eviltimeban

smash wrote: »

There's a big difference between your comparisons here. You think Starbucks coffee tastes like shit because of your preference for coffee. You know McDonalds is muck because it's junk food and has been reported world wide as being bad for you, but it's still tasty.

No it's not. It's pretty horrible and completely unappealing (to me anyway). Of course it's an opinion.

The last time I had a Starbucks Americano it tasted horrible and actually smelled like ash.

So, I don't need barista training to know that that's not a good thing.

sbsquarepants

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Yeah Damn those people against Suicide nets. And crap coffee. Most of the same though fall for the stupid expensive ahem Craft beers....

Wasn't there a statistic published somewhere that said the rate of suicide in that giant foxconn factory was actually lower than for a town of the same population?
Also their coffee tastes fine to me - nothing to write home about, but then again who writes home about coffee?

Craft beers are like Russian roulette for the taste buds. I like my beer like my women european, cheap, and goes down easy:D

Ice Maiden

I do think Starbucks coffee is awful. Hate the way dislike of something popular, no matter how genuine the dislike, means trying to be cool, a hipster, the usual droning.

I dislike the restrictions of Apple also but can see why professionals would have a preference for Apple products.

AnonoBoy

murpho999 wrote: »

I use Starbucks the odd time and I find their coffee is fine. I don't get this hatred and people labelling it sh1t.

Each time I go they have a different flavour on offer and they can be tasty.

Some people on the internet liek to man and complain, no matter what.

(Posted via an iPhone!)

Much as I hate Denis Leary he did get it right when he said coffee should only come in one flavour - coffee.

smash

eviltimeban wrote: »

No it's not. It's pretty horrible and completely unappealing (to me anyway). Of course it's an opinion.

The last time I had a Starbucks Americano it tasted horrible and actually smelled like ash.

So, I don't need barista training to know that that's not a good thing.

It's still a just personal preference. I drink a lot of coffee, but most of it tastes the same to me with the exception of insomnia who really do burn their beans and then boil the fcuk out of it just to top it off. But I've been told by people who don't even drink coffee that Starbucks is crap... Wtf like?

Same goes for most android users "Apple is crap because you can't customise it"... Right, so we're now going back to the 90's where unless you had a Nokia phone with a 'cool' logo on the screen that cost you a fiver in credit, you're an idiot.

Grow up, people...

Permabear

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eviltimeban

smash wrote: »

It's still a just personal preference. I drink a lot of coffee, but most of it tastes the same to me with the exception of insomnia who really do burn their beans and then boil the fcuk out of it just to top it off. But I've been told by people who don't even drink coffee that Starbucks is crap... Wtf like?

Of course it's a personal preference, but I think because there's so many of them around town (there's a thread mentioning this here) that people are reacting against them. And funnily enough I prefer the taste of Insomnia's lattes to Starbucks'. If there was just one Starbucks, sure, avoid it, don't make a deal about it.

But with over 20 locations in the city centre alone, you nearly can't avoid it. Heck, there's one where I work (in the building).

My favourite coffee in the city centre is from Cafe Di Napoli and outside the city is in Il Panorama in Howth (I am not affiliated with either cafe).

AnonoBoy

smash wrote: »

It's still a just personal preference.

Yup.

That's it. I don't like Starbucks but use an Apple laptop and have an android phone.

None of it is done to be 'cool' or 'hipster' or whatever nonsense people are deciding today.

Frankly I'm too long in the tooth to care about what somebody else thinks of me because of my opinion on consumer products. How insecure does someone have to be to get worked up about what another person thinks of a f*cking cup of coffee or a phone?

beach_walker

rubadub wrote: »

What issues do they have with them?

Oh it's usually something cherry-picked from the news. Like recently the crashsafari.com issue, whereby when attempting to load that site the iPhone would reboot. They ignored that on Chrome on Android the site caused a hang and for the device to heat up. Always preferred a crash to an infinite hang myself. It's a bug, big deal. And customisation is always a recurring one. Don't care.

Agent Smyth

As someone who drinks a lot of plain old black coffee I can say that I have never got a Starbucks coffee that tasted anything but burnt
I don't know what they do to there beans but the taste never appealed to me, every other coffee outlet seem to do an okay coffee.
The only good thing is their large mug, which I have a few and drink about 5 of them a day.

As for Apple, love the engineering and design, hate the OS and software. cant understand how they are so popular and how everything seems to be "Apple ready" before Android etc. etc.

I've got a Mac and a Windows laptop. I've used iPhones and I have an Android now. Functionally there isn't much difference between the top ranges.

I don't drink much coffee but I love a hot chocolate from Starbucks. Pricey, but nice. Like a lot of things.

I also like an odd Big Mac or Whopper, but I don't get angsty about which.

Buy what you like, don't buy what you don't. It's just brands.

beach_walker

Agent Smyth wrote: »

cant understand how they are so popular and how everything seems to be "Apple ready" before Android etc. etc.

For consumer stuff, iPhone users tend to purchase more than Android owners. So makes sense to target that market first. For enterprise, senior execs tend to have iOS devices and any vendor does not want the guy in charge having a **** experience with their app so it gets priority.

Before someone jumps up and down, it's the same in enterprise for high-end products like the Microsoft Surface range of laptops. The amount of work we put into minor issues found only on them in a previous project, purely because the head guy of a customer had one...

suicide_circus

My problem with Starbucks is that, to my personal tastes, their coffee is awful....truly awful. And, by saturating a given locality with Starbucks outlets and squeezing out the competition, I as the consumer get less choice.

20Cent

Don't think it's the coffee that people hate about Starbucks but their tax avoidance. The company is set up so that the stores make little of no profit. All the money is sent abroad to places like Switzerland.
Other coffee shops that aren't as big don't have these measures available to them so have to compete on an uneven playing field.
Opening several branches all close together to drive out the competition is another aggressive technique they use.

Starbucks pays corporation tax of less than €4,200
http://www.irishexaminer.com/business/starbucks-pays-corporation-tax-of-less-than-4200-342002.html

Regarding Apple a lot of people have a problem with how they treat their workers. The suicide nets etc. It does seem obscene that a company with such massive profits won't treat their employees better. They also use aggressive tax avoidance measure so there's that to.

R.D. aka MR.D

Ugh this is just a thing that people think makes them sound 'edgy' or some ****.

I've been living in Asia for 4 years and I can tell you now that Starbucks is better than any of the local muck you'll find. I'd also knock you down for a coors light or a Heineken, Asian beer is disgusting.

Had a friend visiting from America. He wouldn't go to starbucks because they were such a 'big evil chain' or something but was happy enough to drink coffee from McDonalds

He would only drink craft beer which in Japan will set you back a decent sum of money.

It was all so silly, he would buy local coffee and not finish them because they were so bad but wouldn't come to the starbucks with me.


It's just an image people want to cultivate of themselves being above popular things. Craft beers are grand but at the end of the day a beer is a beer. If you like the taste then people who look down their nose at you are just being immature.

If anybody wants to look down on me for enjoying a starbucks, I'll tell them how grateful I am to the starbucks company for existing because it was the only place in China to get a coffee that didn't make you want to throw up. **** the snobs.

Birneybau

suicide_circus wrote: »

My problem with Starbucks is that, to my personal tastes, their coffee is awful....truly awful. And, by saturating a given locality with Starbucks outlets and squeezing out the competition, I as the consumer get less choice.

This is why I don't frequent Starbucks, they propagate like a virus until independents are rare.

I own an iPad, an android tablet and an Android phone. All great, the whole DRM issue with Apple though is a pain in the @rse. Can't just drag videos onto the iPad and even iTunes rejects most files I have.

blockfighter

Don't particularly like Apple products, not as a protest or to be different but just because I don't like how they operate compared to other products on the market. I also think they are a bit over priced for something like the iphone which gets a new model every 18 months or so.

Gatling

20Cent wrote: »

Don't think it's the coffee that people hate about Starbucks but their tax avoidance. The company is set up so that the stores make little of no profit. All the money is sent abroad to places like Switzerland.
Other coffee shops that aren't as big don't have these measures available to them so have to compete on an uneven playing field.
Opening several branches all close together to drive out the competition is another aggressive technique they use.

They have to pay a middle man /coffee broker in Switzerland hundreds of millions for coffee ,who then pays hundreds of millions to the growers and producers who the pay millions to transport their coffee around the world.
All While living in poverty

Because the big brand happens to own the middle man ,suppliers ,growers ,transporters

suicide_circus

Agent Smyth wrote: »

As someone who drinks a lot of plain old black coffee I can say that I have never got a Starbucks coffee that tasted anything but burnt
I don't know what they do to there beans but the taste never appealed to me

That's because you are not their target market. Starbucks espresso or americano tatse burnt and acidic. This needs to be the case because it is used as the base for their triple creamy gingerbread pupkin hazelnut frappa mocho latte. If the base coffee weren't so acridly burnt tasting, you'd never taste it through all the cream and syrup.

eviltimeban

As for Apple, I don't really have an issue with them or their products, I just don't go on about them. I loved the original white iPod which I got in 2004, was a work of art in itself, and I loved having music so handy.

I have an iPhone which has been supplied by work. The best thing since the iPod for me has been iCloud, as my later iPod just got too full as did my laptop. With iCloud I was able to transfer everything to the cloud, and when I rip a CD on my laptop or buy an album on iTunes, it magically appears on my phone. When I buy from iTunes on my phone it automatically downloads to my laptop. And I can access my music across several devices (iTunes Match). I'm very happy with that.

eviltimeban

suicide_circus wrote: »

That's because you are not their target market. Starbucks espresso or americano tatse burnt and acidic. This needs to be the case because it is used as the base for their triple creamy gingerbread pupkin hazelnut frappa mocho latte. If the base coffee weren't so acridly burnt tasting, you'd never taste it through all the cream and syrup.

That actually makes a lot of sense.

sheep?

Zillah wrote: »

Apple is a mixed bag for me.

Cons:
- Absolute psychopathic control freaks when it comes to what goes on your computer and how. They do their absolute best to force you to get everything through their own store, they block installation of unregistered apps by default, they force apps to issue authentication certs for DRM, etc.
- Ridiculous mark up on hardware prices. You could get the same CPU, RAM, GPU, etc, for about 60% what they charge.
- Pretentious culture of gob****es who act like Mac is their fupping religion.

Pros
- Gorgeous hardware. I own a Macbook Air and by God it is a beauty to use. The aluminium case is sleek and light, the keyboard a pleasure to use - even the hinge on the screen has the perfect level of tension. They really put a lot of polish into their machines.
- OSX is a really nice, tidy, easy to use operating system.
- Apple make a bunch of really nice media applications. Final Cut might have taken a bit of a nose dive lately but their video editing stuff is still very user friendly.

I'll add audio to that as well, LogicPro X is a beautiful piece of software for a relatively cheap price in comparison to other industry standards.

blindside88

mansize wrote: »

I'm anti advising how other people should spend theirs

You're pretty much against my job. What do you have against me