Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118026742#Comment_118026742

There is a bit of a difference between something being a bit supernatural and time travel .

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118027557#Comment_118027557

I remember Harrison Ford saying interview that when they were sketching out the character, he questioned whether it was appropriate for an archaeologist working in hot climates to wear a leather jacket: "Then I found out he would be carrying a whip so I realised it didn't make any f**king sense anyway."

Tony EH

Time travelling nazis?

Good god no...

pixelburp

My spitball is this will be an Odd Couple setup; Waller-Bridges the gutsy original brand feminist clashing with old man Jones, adrift in a 60s world he doesn't recognise. We'll have the classic "what does this old codger have to teach me?" with maybe the time travel showing indy in his prime, Waller Bridge learning the value of older generations etc etc

Tony EH

That just sounds awful TBH.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118028295#Comment_118028295

Well someone's not getting invited to the premiere when my scriptwriting career takes off 😤😆

I don't see any other way of working with a 79 year old Indy and not having it be something relating to age and obsolescence. Last Crusade and Crystal Skull both kinda dealt with Indy dealing with his maturity; so against the backdrop of a noted decade of transformative change, would make sense to me to pair him up with that contemporary aspect.

Cos Crystal Skull just about got away with Jones still taking a pounding; no chance now so the action will need to come from somewhere/someone else

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118028123#Comment_118028123

So youve come round to the Critical Drinkers and my way of thinking.😀

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118028432#Comment_118028432

Well, I really don't see this thing working at all, no matter what they do, but time travelling nazis and a feminist critique where Indy and whomever "learn" some stuff about "isms" and whatnot just gets the hairs on the back of my neck standing up...no offence to your future screenwriting career. 😛

Either way, Indiana Jones is dead and has been since the 80's. All of this cinematic necromancy is just sad at this point.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118028613#Comment_118028613

Well yes. We shouldn't have an indy 5 but here we are. Might as well hope for the best before the inevitable Chris Pratt helmed reboot once Ford passed on (IIRC he maintains veto control on the property?)

Oh I didn't mean Indy getting schooled on gender or anything, more it would fit with a natural push-pull of two generations clashing with each other (with the 60s being a very particular example of that), but eventually learning the value of each others skillset. It's a classic enough format for Buddy Movies; oil and water somehow coming together. They kinda approached it in Crystal Skull with Mutt, but for various reasons the implementation let it down big time. There were still moments where you could see the potential of Indy vs. the next generation. The scene in the diner a good example of it working, however briefly.

No offence taken with the screenwriting; you hate Last Crusade so we already know your taste is questionable anyway 😄

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118028550#Comment_118028550

Was I ever against the idea? I'm sure he sometimes throws out some good ideas; it's just too often surrounded by a lot of guff and performative outrage 🙂

Wedwood

The Indiana Jones movies are fantasy action movies, so whether it’s supernatural, alien, time travel, whatever, the movies have always required suspension of disbelief.

I do have some faith that Mangold will recognise the shortcomings of Crystal Skull and deliver a fitting conclusion to Harrison Ford’s iconic role. It’s clear from the set photos there will be scenes from different eras and some deaging of Ford, so we’ll be seeing Jones in his prime as well as his older self.

If the movie’s scenes and screenplay are well executed, like the originals, then the premise of the story will not really matter.

FunLover18

Along with the next few MCU movies, Disney has pushed the release of this back 11 months to 2023. Less surprising here given the setbacks already suffered.

pixelburp

So if my reading of Harrison Fords birthday is right, he'll be a couple weeks shy of 81 when Indy 5 finally comes out. Yikes. And just this week 'aul Michael Caine admitted he might be done with acting at the age of 88.

silverharp

seems weird, presumable all the outdoor stuff would be done in the next month so it should be ready for the summer 22?

Wedwood

They’re probably looking at the poor enough box office returns for movies with reduced cinema audiences and hoping normality will be restored by 2022.

conorhal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118026742#Comment_118026742

‘Well ack-tually’, incoming…

Avoiding the ‘wrath of God' by closing your eyes at least has some biblical precedence and thus it maintains a degree of ‘consistency with the in universe logic where the Ark of the Covenent actually exists’. The problem is that it was poorly established in the movie. All they needed was Marion to ask Indy how they hell they survived and he could have recounted the story of how Lot and his wife (almost) escaped the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, one righteous man was allowed to leave but on the condition of never looking back, his wife however did and turned into a pillar of salt (as opposed to her face melting off). "That was the Wrath of God, I was the one righteous man in that corrupt nest of Nazi vipers and you had better sense than Lott's wife honey."

I saw Temple of Doom in the cinema as a kid and even then I wanted to have a full ‘Kathy Bates in Misery’ moment and shout “that’s just cock-a-mamy nonsense!” at the screen when the movie had it pre ‘nuke the fridge’ moment with Indy and the gang using a life-raft as a parachute.

When it comes to aliens and time travel though… just, no. They should have stuck to the established formula that works and the logical consistency of the rules established in Indiana Jones universe. Could Indy not go looking for the lost cities of gold or Shangri-La or The Spear of Destiny or some other mystical item? Surely there’s no shortage of them to choose from. Sticking aliens and time travel in an Indiana Jones movies is like sticking Aliens in a Harry Potter movie or magic in a Blade Runner movie. It just doesn’t fit and asks too much of the already established cannon to add 'yet another thing' into that universe that ultimately breaks the suspension of disbelief.

Edit: Because I’m on a rant-roll and don’t feel like stopping!

The time travel McGuffin feels like it exists only because, ‘Member how Indy’s always punching Nazi’s?’

The screenwriters didn’t need to be so JJ Abrahams-esque lazy, have they never seen ‘The Boys from Brazil’? Have Indy trying to beat a Hitler clone to the vast treasures of the lost city of Z in the Amazon in a race against time to thwart the South American Nazi's from accessing the kind of vast wealth that would enable them to fund a 4th Reich…. but it’s guarded by an ancient Aztec god Quetzalcoatl, the feathered serpent! There, problem solved.

pixelburp

I think if have an Indy movie in the 50s and not feature the zeitgeist of the time, IE aliens saucer people and Soviets under the bed, then that movie failed from the outset. Mythical supernatural hoodoo was part of the initial movies' DNA, but that was because the era the films existed in were when that kind of thing flourished in media. Mysterious lands beyond the map, lost tribes and so on; it doesn't really gel a few decades later when satellites were already shrinking the globe.

Now, what did grind my gears with Crystal Skulls aliens was the scripts bizarre insistence that they technically weren't aliens, but "inter dimensional beings". Why the script wanted to undercut its own contemporaneous ideas and motifs was beyond me.

Wedwood

Disney now pushed release date to 2022, ironic that people complaining about rumoured time travel plot will now have travel two years into the future to see this thing !!

On other news, John Williams starts work on the score next week. Loads of new set photos from Sicily online for those interested.

Wedwood

Director James Mangold reveals there’s about a month of filming left before going to post production. Given the expected de-ageing effects etc, you’d imagine a fairly extensive post production will be required which would likely miss the summer season window, probably explains why the movie bumped to 2023.

https://www.cinemablend.com/movies/indiana-jones-5-director-reveals-how-far-along-the-harrison-ford-movie-is-into-filming

trashcan

Really they should have left Indiana Jones alone after Raiders, which is a fantastic film. None of the sequels have been any good in my view, and only sully the memory of the original. Of course, Hollywood being Hollywood that was never going to happen. I can only imagine the horrors of Number 5. Indy should be in a nursing home by now for Crissakes, boring the carers with stories of his adventures as a young man. Actually, that might not be bad. Start with Ford and have him narrate a flashback story with a younger actor.

Niska

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118459022#Comment_118459022

Actually, that might not be bad. Start with Ford and have him narrate a flashback story with a younger actor.

Wasn't that the usual framing device for each episode of the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles?

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118459697#Comment_118459697

Yup, it was exactly that. IIRC the older Indy had an eye-patch and at the start of each episode, he'd corner some poor unsuspecting person who had to listen to some story about (for instance) That Time Indy Was in Ireland During the 1916 Rising.

godtabh

Is still remember that and all the stale pints of Guinness

Wedwood

One thing that gives me hope is Mangold is directing, with Spielberg ‘moved upstairs’ and no involvement from Lucas.

While Spielberg’s legacy is secure, his more recent crowd pleasers have been below par. When you think of recent movies like Tin Tin, BFG, Ready Player One, while they’re ok, none of them hold a candle to his 70’s/80’s hits. Mangold on the other hand is just getting to his prime as a filmmaker.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118509601#Comment_118509601

Oh Mangold at the helm has remained the sole reason I haven't yet abandoned this as a no-hope project. I'm not expecting miracles but Mangold is a steady, professional hand with a proven track record of solid mainstream entertainment - and one bona fide classic with Logan.

pixelburp

Apparently the production is in "the home stretch', so presumably they're about to wrap up principle photography;

https://twitter.com/LeDoctor/status/1495343637827358727

Mr Crispy

Or they're finally taking Harrison to a home.

A2LUE42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118459881#Comment_118459881

Aghhhhhhhh... Why did you have to remind me about that.......

FunLover18

PB I thought you were joking!!

https://youtu.be/amTwn5jtYKg

FunLover18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118673884#Comment_118673884

Seán O'Casey's last words to Indy "You're going to be killed in the name of capitalist gain", how right he was.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118673884#Comment_118673884

Haha, nope; crazy innit? The show made a few earnest attempts to visit then-niche historical events and people. Even crazier is how it remains one of the better & few cinematic representations of The Rising.

Tony EH

God, that show sucked.

pixelburp

... and production has wrapped (according to Frank Marshall). Off to the editing room, post-production, ADR and so on.

FunLover18

I am in a constant loop of forgetting this movie exists and being reminded by a new post in this thread.

Agent Coulson

Release date now June 30th 2023

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118673593#Comment_118673593

He belongs in a museum.

Agent Coulson

First Look

https://twitter.com/IndianaJones/status/1529904580468674560?s=20&t=NeOexv2-aiKcZD4_LDWLGQ

pixelburp

They're really stretching what could be defined as a "first look", being as it is entirely in silhouette.

I guess there's some big Disney thing going on, given this, a Willow trailer and a host of Star Wars items.

geecee

Nice Birthday tribute from HF to John Williams and the Indy 5 announcement here:

John Williams plays Indiana Jones theme live, Harrison Ford walks on stage. - YouTube

Theboinkmaster

i think we all know for sure this won't be a Top Gun Maverick situation....

it's going to be pants.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119235427#Comment_119235427

I dunno about it being complete pants; I have a feeling it'll be, at worst, aggressively mediocre. The talent involved all seem good enough but no way Disney won't have this sanded down to something watchable, but utterly forgettable - ie, "Content".

Mind you, at least something pants is worth talking and arguing about; something so bland it's forgotten instantly can be oddly worse.

pixelburp

Anyone curious, John Williams debuted some of the new music for Indy 5 recently; is named Helena, Phoebe Waller-Bridges character.

https://youtu.be/vIgghD1ekHI

pixelburp

Trailer shouldn't be long coming; Harrison Ford introduced a screening at that D23 expo happening ATM.

Apparently there will be de-ageing tech deployed for flashback scenes.

Agent Coulson

I had missed that Jez Butterworth is co-writing this with his brother and Mangold

That has actually given me hope that this will work.

FunLover18

https://twitter.com/JAMALIGLE/status/1568721557111074817?t=ONv74lrHa0WLat4KfpKGKQ&s=19

❤️

CastorTroy

Was just saying Ke Huy Quan is making the most of coming out of retirement being in 2 upcoming Disney+ series.

py2006

https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1568689141612949504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1568689141612949504%7Ctwgr%5E7e6a7a902cc3fbebf3009fec44cc53b0cf5542ea%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rte.ie%2Fentertainment%2F2022%2F0911%2F1321793-harrison-ford-chokes-up-over-new-indiana-jones-film%2F

Harrison Ford became visibly emotional at Disney's D23 Expo as he debuted a teaser trailer for the latest instalment of the Indiana Jones franchise.

py2006

The de-aging thing has me slightly worried. I didn't fully buy it in the Irishman.

pixelburp

In this day and age, you can't trust an actor to know how a movie's gonna shake up; so much post-production work, reshoots and green screen I'd imagine you could be thinking you're making one movie - then the final thing is completely different.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119608360#Comment_119608360

It's definitely getting better; Captain Marvel had some legitimately convincing de-ageing work with Samuel L Jackson. It was kinda ruined when Jackson had to move fast, 'cos then it was clear it was an older man. And that was a big problem throughout with The Irishman IMO - that famous "kicking" scene the low-point where a character supposedly in his late 30s toe-poked a shopkeeper.

Also depends on whether they think to de-age the voice as well. People's voices age, and often CGI work is undercut by the actor still growling with their aged vocal chords. Harrison Ford sounds much different to his younger self.

FunLover18

Harrison Ford has always run a bit like an old man, I vaguely remember hearing he had a back injury or something like that.

Sad Professor

I think 80 percent of the effectiveness of de-ageing is how fit and good the person is for their age. That and the willingness of the director to use a body double and/or shoot around the actor's age if necessary. I think the main reason The Irishman's de-aging wasn't convincing was because Scorsese didn't really care if it looked good and would have shot De Niro and Pacino with a bit make-up if had to. He wanted them in the movie and that was it. The De Niro kicking scene was on all on Scorsese rather than the visual effects.