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Explain evictions to me.

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  • #62
    CruelCoin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,463 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    Jayop wrote: »
    The key word I said was "own". People who can't afford to buy or rent themselves have to be housed by the state. That doesn't mean that the state should give them an asset.

    Everyone, and i mean everyone can afford to rent and buy in this country.

    It may mean living in Leitrim or buying in Donegal, but it's possible for absolutely everyone.

    Getting the state to home you because you're unwilling to move from your chosen location is a disgusting notion imo.


  • #63
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,377 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    CruelCoin wrote: »
    Everyone, and i mean everyone can afford to rent and buy in this country.

    It may mean living in Leitrim or buying in Donegal, but it's possible for absolutely everyone.

    Getting the state to home you because you're unwilling to move from your chosen location is a disgusting notion imo.

    That's not true. I live in one of the cheapest parts of the country to rent and rents are still 500 odd a month for a 3 bed house. How is someone with no job supposed to pay that?

    How is someone with no job supposed to pay any rent without government assistance?

    How is someone who's kids are settled in school and who's entire support system is in Dublin supposed to move to Donegal? How are they supposed to move if they have no money, no car, no means to pay a deposit?


    Seriously, you have a very extreme view on this, and if you think that everyone in Ireland can afford to rent or buy their own place with out rent supplement you're off your head.


  • #64
    mickoneill31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭mickoneill31


    Jayop wrote: »
    That's not true. I live in one of the cheapest parts of the country to rent and rents are still 500 odd a month for a 3 bed house. How is someone with no job supposed to pay that?

    Why would somebody with no job be looking at that? If I had no job and no family I could stay with I'd be looking at renting a room rather than renting a 3 bedroom house.

    If there's a couple involved and they're both not working how much rent allowance do they get?


  • #65
    CruelCoin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,463 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    Jayop wrote: »
    That's not true. I live in one of the cheapest parts of the country to rent and rents are still 500 odd a month for a 3 bed house. How is someone with no job supposed to pay that?

    How is someone with no job supposed to pay any rent without government assistance?

    How is someone who's kids are settled in school and who's entire support system is in Dublin supposed to move to Donegal? How are they supposed to move if they have no money, no car, no means to pay a deposit?


    Seriously, you have a very extreme view on this, and if you think that everyone in Ireland can afford to rent or buy their own place with out rent supplement you're off your head.

    A cursory daft search shows a 7 bed going for €70 per week......

    A 6 bed going for €255 monthly

    A 5 beds going for €80 and €65 weekly.

    And many more beside.

    I think you're off your head thinking this is unaffordable...

    I don't think it's extreme in the slightest given the European norm is to give far less support than we do. The state has an obligation to ensure you have shelter, nothing more. Everywhere else, the dole and rent allowance are treated as life-support only (as they should be) not lifestyle support as they are here.


  • #66
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,377 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    mickoneill31 wrote: »
    Why would somebody with no job be looking at that? If I had no job and no family I could stay with I'd be looking at renting a room rather than renting a 3 bedroom house.

    If there's a couple involved and they're both not working how much rent allowance do they get?

    Clearly if it's someone on their own then they don't need a three bedroom house. Most of the accommodation though for rent in places like Leitrim/Donegal are houses of that size in estates.

    I have no clue how much rent allowance a couple gets. I assume it depends on where they live.


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  • #67
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,377 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    CruelCoin wrote: »
    A cursory daft search shows a 7 bed going for €70 per week......

    A 6 bed going for €255 monthly

    A 5 beds going for €80 and €65 weekly.

    And many more beside.

    I think you're off your head thinking this is unaffordable...

    I don't think it's extreme in the slightest given the European norm is to give far less support than we do. The state has an obligation to ensure you have shelter, nothing more. Everywhere else, the dole and rent allowance are treated as life-support only (as they should be) not lifestyle support as they are here.

    80 a week for someone on the dole is completely affordable without rent supplement if they have a family.


  • #68
    SarahMollie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭SarahMollie


    The dole in Ireland is very generous when compared to the UK. I went on a UK website and worked out that for a 40 year old single person living in the London Borough of Lewisham with no dependents and living with family, you'd get £73 per week. I'm sure it would be less outside London.

    Yet people arent dying on the street in the UK. They obviously adjust to their means.


  • #69
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    SarahMollie wrote: »
    The dole in Ireland is very generous when compared to the UK. I went on a UK website and worked out that for a 40 year old single person living in the London Borough of Lewisham with no dependents and living with family, you'd get £73 per week. I'm sure it would be less outside London.

    Yet people arent dying on the street in the UK. They obviously adjust to their means.

    In a ctiy the size of London, No job can be found?


  • #70
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,377 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    SarahMollie wrote: »
    The dole in Ireland is very generous when compared to the UK. I went on a UK website and worked out that for a 40 year old single person living in the London Borough of Lewisham with no dependents and living with family, you'd get £73 per week. I'm sure it would be less outside London.

    Yet people arent dying on the street in the UK. They obviously adjust to their means.

    £73 + rent supplement or is that all they get?


  • #71
    SarahMollie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭SarahMollie


    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    In a ctiy the size of London, No job can be found?

    Thats not the point I was making, nowhere near it in fact.

    I'm not pro people living on the dole at all. I was actually saying that maybe they're too comfortable on it over here.

    And there are plenty of jobs here too for people willing to work. Unfortunately some of our dole population have too high standards for certain work.


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  • #72
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    SarahMollie wrote: »
    Thats not the point I was making, nowhere near it in fact.

    I'm not pro people living on the dole at all. I was actually saying that maybe they're too comfortable on it over here.

    And there are plenty of jobs here too for people willing to work. Unfortunately some of our dole population have too high standards for certain work.

    Ok, I hear that. I think nobody living within a certain distance of a large city should be unemployed. There is no excuse for it, but perhaps the one outlined above. Every opportunity is at their doorstep, unlike in many other parts of the country.


  • #73
    The Randy Riverbeast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭The Randy Riverbeast


    SarahMollie wrote: »
    And there are plenty of jobs here too for people willing to work. Unfortunately some of our dole population have too high standards for certain work.

    When did this happen? Last I saw the number of unemployed outnumbered jobs available by about 20 times.


  • #74
    SarahMollie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭SarahMollie


    The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »
    When did this happen? Last I saw the number of unemployed outnumbered jobs available by about 20 times.

    There are never going to be a few hundred jobs advertised for immediate start on jobs.ie

    But the employment rate has been steadily rising. I think anyone who is determined will get something, especially in urban areas.

    Also, jobs breed jobs. I'm concerned for the number of young people who know nothing more than sitting on the dole. Granted it was very hard a number of years ago, but now I think some have become institutionalized into a benefits lifestyle.

    People should only the on the dole as an absolute last resort. Not just because they think they're too good to be a cleaner etc.


  • #75
    The Randy Riverbeast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭The Randy Riverbeast


    SarahMollie wrote: »
    There are never going to be a few hundred jobs advertised for immediate start on jobs.ie

    But the employment rate has been steadily rising. I think anyone who is determined will get something, especially in urban areas.

    Also, jobs breed jobs. I'm concerned for the number of young people who know nothing more than sitting on the dole. Granted it was very hard a number of years ago, but now I think some have become institutionalized into a benefits lifestyle.

    People should only the on the dole as an absolute last resort. Not just because they think they're too good to be a cleaner etc.

    While it has been dropping and it is easier in urban areas my girlfriend has been looking for a job and somehow isn't turning down lots of job offers. Either these places are lying when they say they got someone for the job or there is still too many unemployed per available job.

    Young people also lack experience which makes them unattractive to employers, somehow I doubt they are living a great life on 100 a week.


  • #76
    SarahMollie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭SarahMollie


    The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »
    While it has been dropping and it is easier in urban areas my girlfriend has been looking for a job and somehow isn't turning down lots of job offers. Either these places are lying when they say they got someone for the job or there is still too many unemployed per available job.

    Young people also lack experience which makes them unattractive to employers, somehow I doubt they are living a great life on 100 a week.

    Look, I'm never going to try to make this personal and say something like "your GF is obviously not trying hard enough" because thats just being a dick honestly, but I do genuinely believe there are lots of jobs, even though they may not be desirable. I see people I know hanging on for their dream job in marketing or similar, and it just frustrates me no end. Go work in a shop!

    Myself and my OH use the cleaning service Hassle.ie. We've had a number of different cleaners through the service, and not one of them has been Irish. I work for a large company and in our 2 canteens, all of the staff (except for the 2 managers) are non-irish.

    I doubt very much that Irish people are being discriminated against, but simply don't go for these types of roles.


  • #77
    sheesh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭sheesh


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    This is all wrong, developer never went under and the loans never went to NAMA. NAMA have had nothing at all to do with this.

    And technically they're not evictions, just leases not being renewed when they expire, there's a fine difference, but a difference nonetheless. Evictions is an emotive word in Ireland and purposely being used in this case for political reasons I believe.

    fair enough. It does make you wonder who is creating a story out of this and why. I knew they weren't evictions as I heard bout the notice to quit. RTE are running with the 'Oh this is terrible!' side of it running interviews of almost tearful tenants saying they have been given notice to quit and they may go back home.


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