What is Putin up to?

TheHillOfDoom

He goes in? Bombs? Then leaves.

One dude I can not read.

somefeen

TheHillOfDoom wrote: »

He goes in? Bombs? Then leaves.

One dude I can not read.

I dunno how they're still Putin up with him

Alf Stewart.

TheHillOfDoom wrote: »

He goes in? Bombs? Then leaves.

One dude I can not read.

Maybe his missus is cookin him a big steak tonight.

beach_walker

He's mad craic at parties

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekeq4szDmJo

whatawaster81

To even attempt to second guess a political & military genius like Putin would be pure folly.

All hail great leader.

Easca Peasca

With characters like Trump, Putin and Kim Jong Un we have the fruitiest basket of (potential) world leaders since ever. What a time to be alive.

matt-dublin

Get in, get off, get out.

No messin around with the aftermath, JFDI

JackieBauer

They'll be back. I don't think people realise how at risk Moscow is of a terrorist attack by ISIS or people inspired by them. Apparently, there are ALOT of them in Moscow alone. We don't hear about it in western media

TheHillOfDoom

JackieBauer wrote: »

They'll be back. I don't think people realise how at risk Moscow is of a terrorist attack by ISIS or people inspired by them. Apparently, there are ALOT of them in Moscow alone. We don't hear about it in western media

Well how do you know then?

ClovenHoof

on the Ritz?

TheHillOfDoom

I sort of see him as thinking 'ok, let's show these people how to win a war'. Goes in, bombs **** out of who knows who (nobody sure whose side he's on), then goes 'alright, I've had my fun, let's go home'.

He's mental!

SILVAMAN

Some kid's father beat the ****e out of him

Earthhorse

TheHillOfDoom wrote: »

He goes in? Bombs? Then leaves.

One dude I can not read.

The_Valeyard

Putin is already planning six moves ahead.

TheHillOfDoom

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Putin is already planning six moves ahead.

I think he just wakes up and says to himself 'What shall I do today' and then just does it.

Edward Hopper

He's getting whilst the going is good*




*Good as in marginally less fupped up than previous months/years.

TheHillOfDoom

I think he now may have a base in Syria.

kupus

TheHillOfDoom wrote: »

Well how do you know then?

Do a bit of research yourself instead of asking for sources, links etc. Then make your own conclusion.
Ill start you off. chechen rebels backed by saudi oil money.

The_Valeyard

TheHillOfDoom wrote: »

I think he just wakes up and says to himself 'What shall I do today' and then just does it.

No, he wrestles a bear first

TheHillOfDoom

The_Valeyard wrote: »

No, he wrestles a bear first

God forgive me, but he's an awful tool.

Firefox11

Easca Peasca wrote: »

With characters like Trump, Putin and Kim Jong Un we have the fruitiest basket of (potential) world leaders since ever. What a time to be alive.

How long we will be still be alive with these characters around is another question!

ZeroThreat

When are we going to see Putin standing on the deck of a carrier with a 'Mission Accomplished' banner in Russian behind him?

BorneTobyWilde

World should be getting behind the Syrian president, keep him in power, but he needs to negotiate with rebels though. Its the only way it will work.
Need to get people around table. If president does not want this then he will end up like Sadaam and Giraffi .

TheHillOfDoom

ZeroThreat wrote: »

When are we going to see Putin standing on the deck of a carrier with a 'Mission Accomplished' banner in Russian behind him?

The problem is that he doesn't have a mission! He's just playing games.

ZeroThreat

TheHillOfDoom wrote: »

The problem is that he doesn't have a mission! He's just playing games.

That's why they make good chess players.

TheHillOfDoom

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

World should be getting behind the Syrian president, keep him in power, but he needs to negotiate with rebels though. Its the only way it will work.
Need to get people around table. If president does not want this then he will end up like Sadaam and Giraffi .

Giraffi? He's a new one.

There is no round table talking possible with these guys. We just need to get the **** out of there.

Allyall

He's picking Countries around the World that he's going to attack next for their resources, under the guise of seeing them as a threat...




...Or is that the other lot?

TheHillOfDoom

Putin is clearly in cahoots with Assad.

I get the feeling 'BACK UP BACK UP BACK DA **** UP'.

The_Valeyard

ZeroThreat wrote: »

When are we going to see Putin standing on the deck of a carrier with a 'Mission Accomplished' banner in Russian behind him?

When he gets the chronosohere, goes back in time and conquers the world

Victor

I imagine he's doing a few things.

Keeping Russian costs down.

Keeping Russian casualties down.

Minimising mission creep.

Demonstrating to allies that 'Russia cares' and that it sees that wars are won.

Putting it up to the Syrian government to get on with making peace.

Leaving the Syrian government lose the peace.

Demonstrating to allies that they can lose the peace if they don't follow Russia's rules.

TheHillOfDoom

Victor wrote: »

I imagine he's doing a few things.

Keeping Russian costs down.

Keeping Russian casualties down.

Minimising mission creep.

Demonstrating to allies that 'Russia cares' and that it sees that wars are won.

Putting it up to the Syrian government to get on with making peace.

Leaving the Syrian government lose the peace.

Demonstrating to allies that they can lose the peace if they don't follow Russia's rules.

Eh no. That's exactly what he is not doing.

Maximus Alexander

Russia is not a wealthy nation. It is probably too expensive to stay involved in a prolonged campaign. He has done enough to increase Russian influence in the region, which was presumably the objective.

Victor

TheHillOfDoom wrote: »

Eh no. That's exactly what he is not doing.

Given that you have a rake of posts on the thread already, but have said little, what do you think he might be doing?

screamer

Getting the army back to work on a fence! Id say Assad has run out of funds to pay the Russian militia I mean military so it's go home time.

suicide_circus

Go in, drop a load of bombs and get out before the really difficult stuff (negotiations and rebuilding) starts.

This way he looks like the big man without the messing.

arayess

TheHillOfDoom wrote: »

God forgive me, but he's an awful tool.

I think he is a hero.

ISIS are on the run. Assad is strengthened and has made gains with russian support.
The air force are staying anyway to bomb the sh1t out of whoever putin wants and to bolster assad.
Putin has secured his base too.
By and large his work is done with minimal causalities and he had played the macho man card to the folks back home and won while also sticking two fingers up at Nato.

Things we don't know:
What we don't know is what the russian negotiated with the non-IS rebels?
if anything...

I do wonder if the kurds were encouraged to attack turkey in response to the jet shooting in recent time? who knows.

I don't. we don't

Captain Chaos

arayess wrote: »

I think he is a hero.


By and large his work is done with minimal causalities and he had played the macho man card to the folks back home and won while also sticking two fingers up at Nato.

The Russian airforce have hit and killed more civilians than the US and it's allies it Syria. They used mainly unguided weapons and even used cluster bombs in built up areas.

They are pure war crimes right there. And now they don't want to stick around for the hard part.

Bulbous Salutation

Geopolitics is fascinating and enormously complex stuff.

arayess

Captain Chaos wrote: »

The Russian airforce have hit and killed more civilians than the US and it's allies it Syria. They used mainly unguided weapons and even used cluster bombs in built up areas.

They are pure war crimes right there. And now they don't want to stick around for the hard part.

says who ?
The syrian observatory for human rights?
they are a sham controlled by an anti-assad goon hellbent on overthrowing assad.
yet the western media (the main ones) quote him as if he was gospel.

I've no doubt bad things have happened on all sides , it's war. unfortunately war it like that.
The west started this by allowing their proxies in the Gulf to fund the anti-assad uprising in the beginning.
nobody comes out of this good but least of all nato and their allies.

only black Africans and a few token Balkans who wouldn't play ball have to answer for war crimes. war crimes is a joke of a concept while Tony Blair walks around calling himself a peace envoy.

Gatling

arayess wrote: »

says who ?
The syrian observatory for human rights?
they are a sham controlled by an anti-assad goon hellbent on overthrowing assad.
yet the western media (the main ones) quote him as if he was gospel.
.

The red cresent, MSF, The red Cross and numerous other non affiliated groups and people on the ground .

But hey all hail vladi the Jihadi

milehip

TheHillOfDoom wrote: »

Giraffi? He's a new one.

There is no round table talking possible with these guys. WE just need to get the **** out of there.

Whos the 'We' here exactly?

Totally agree with you that Putins a Tool, anyone who thinks hes a hero is soft in the head

TheHillOfDoom

milehip wrote: »

Whos the 'We' here exactly?

Totally agree with you that Putins a Tool, anyone who thinks hes a hero is soft in the head

The West.

conorhal

ZeroThreat wrote: »

When are we going to see Putin standing on the deck of a carrier with a 'Mission Accomplished' banner in Russian behind him?

But the mission was accomplished, the mission was to make Obama, Merkel and Cameron look like weak, indecisive and ineffectial fools in front of the Russian public after they fronted up to him with sanctions over the Ukraine conflict. Job done.

TheHillOfDoom

conorhal wrote: »

But the mission was accomplished, the mission was to make Obama, Merkel and Cameron look like weak, indecisive and ineffectial fools in front of the Russian public after they fronted up to him with sanctions over the Ukraine conflict. Job done.

I actually agree with you. It smacks of trying to show the potential for the return of Russian glory days. Almost like he's trying to motivate them to regain lost territories.

storker

Easca Peasca wrote: »

. What a time to be alive.

Not for long!

conorhal

TheHillOfDoom wrote: »

I actually agree with you. It smacks of trying to show the potential for the return of Russian glory days. Almost like he's trying to motivate them to regain lost territories.

Indeed, it was an explicit message for the Russian public that Russia's 'still got it' and also to send a warning to 'the near abroad' as they refer to countries like Georgia and Ukraine that the EU and NATO should not be flirted with, they are politically and militarily and weak and gutless so they can't and won't protect you, and in that regard he's dead right.
Naturally you don't want to linger too long on that message unless it gets undermined by videos of shot down Russian pilots getting beheaded which drags you into a protracted cluster**** of a war like the yanks. That and the fact that oil is getting record low prices at the moment and protracted wars are very expensive, especially for petrodollar dependent states like Russia.

BoJack Horseman

matt-dublin wrote: »

Get in, get off, get out.

No messin around with the aftermath, JFDI

Vladi is following the 'Dennis' system

dasdog

Possibly looking to get sanctions lifted.

RobertKK

If one looks at the statement, it doesn't say all troops will be removed, but the 'main part' will be withdrawn.
So Russia will still be involved, but not as visible as they have been.

Martypants1

Everyone needs to watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3dLeMrt7aY

BoJack Horseman

Martypants1 wrote: »

Everyone needs to watch this

We don't really.

The whole USA = ISIS thing has been done to death... & some ministry of propaganda video doesn't add anything new.