Best next generation RPG

allibastor

Hi Guys,

I am a Elder scrolls nut, having sank around 120 hours into Skyrim.

I played ESO but found it rubbish, dont like the format.

What other similar vein games are there that would be good.

Kiith

Witcher 3 is one of the best games i've played in years. It'll keep you busy for a good 100 hours or so. Dragon Age: Inquisition is also excellent.

Kimbot

Dragon Age: Inquisition Game Of the YEar Edition was €20 in gamestop for both PS4 and Xbox One

allibastor

Kiith wrote: »

Witcher 3 is one of the best games i've played in years. It'll keep you busy for a good 100 hours or so. Dragon Age: Inquisition is also excellent.

Actually have the Witcher and just never played it.

Stuck loads into Fallout 4, but now not able to finish it. All factions are dicks

Zillah

allibastor wrote: »

Stuck loads into Fallout 4, but now not able to finish it. All factions are dicks

Yeah, I think they went overboard with the whole including the dark side of things, and in the end created three factions who are each as unlikable as the other.

I've my fingers crossed for Numenera.

allibastor

Zillah wrote: »

Yeah, I think they went overboard with the whole including the dark side of things, and in the end created three factions who are each as unlikable as the other.

I've my fingers crossed for Numenera.

Yep. Found that alright.

Thing I liked in Skyrim was that when you did chose a faction it seemed to have a bigger role in the world. And also they were not all dicks.

Must give Witcher a go tonight.

Skerries

you will not regret it, best game of 2015 by a long shot

allibastor

Skerries wrote: »

you will not regret it, best game of 2015 by a long shot

Not sure on it, one thing I had been told is that while it is very open in maps terms, the story itself is very on rails
IS this any true

sweetie

Bloodborne's an amazing ARPG

JustShon

sweetie wrote: »

Bloodborne's an amazing ARPG

I second Bloodborne but if you're not familiar with FromSoftware's games you should be prepared for controller-throwing fits of rage.

I stupidly didn't check the publisher when I bought it, and had never played a FromSoftware game before. There are now some fresh tooth marks on my controller.

petes

Bloodborne frustrated me from the first area, kept getting killed and going back to the start, really annoying, having picked it up in a while. Like it and would consider myself okay at gaming so I'll probably get back in to it.

wayne040576

allibastor wrote: »

Not sure on it, one thing I had been told is that while it is very open in maps terms, the story itself is very on rails
IS this any true

The main quest is a little but there are plenty of side quests that aren't. The combat is very clunky though. They did issue a few patches to fix it a bit but it can still be a bit annoying.

JustShon

petes wrote: »

Bloodborne frustrated me from the first area, kept getting killed and going back to the start, really annoying, having picked it up in a while. Like it and would consider myself okay at gaming so I'll probably get back in to it.

It is purpose-designed to be mind-bendingly difficult.

petes

JustShon wrote: »

It is purpose-designed to be mind-bendingly difficult.

Oh I know that as I said I'll get back in to it, actually looking up Dark Souls 2 for the PS4 at the minute having not played any of them!

Ri_Nollaig

allibastor wrote: »

Not sure on it, one thing I had been told is that while it is very open in maps terms, the story itself is very on rails
IS this any true

The main story is fairly linear I guess, has multiple endings that doesn't take much effort to get. But I still thought it was brilliant and much better then the main quest in Skyrim for example.

Early enough it branches off into three main quests you can approach in different order but end result is the same. Saying that, I still loved every minute of it and some of the side quests [like the bloody baron] are definitely not linear and has some real "wow, wasn't expecting that outcome" from it.
The world itself just feels alive, really well down. The map is very large but it is not one huge open world.
Instead it has about 3-4 areas you need to fast travel to and can then walk around, so different to Skyrim in that sense

Its very like Mass Effect 2 actually, where some of the side quests and your actions in them can result in a character or two behaving differently in the main quest. Its also not short by any stretch. Easily ~60 hours to complete the main quest and reasonable number of side quests.

Get it, get it now!

thegame983

I agree with the above. Witcher 3 wipes the floor with most RPGs.

While the combat is a bit clunky it is much better than the combat in Skyrim (well at least the sword fighting - think of it as a less refined Batman Arkhem Asylum game with magic & potions).......the storytelling is second to none. Possbibly the best collection of a hundred+ quests in any game.

allibastor

Just started with the witcher.

It looks cool, the opening scene was very good!!!!

I am finding the combat is not as good as skyrim at the moment, it is fine and all, but not as cool as I was expecting. The spell thing looks like a good feature.

Only like 2 hours in so far, so will see.

Zillah

I tried Witcher 1 and 2 and gave up on both fairly quickly. I find it hard to describe why. I don't like Geralt very much, and I find it weird and off-putting to be playing a premade character that not only has a whole role and personality in the game, but also exists in a series of books (which I haven't read).

Also the emphasis on gathering herbs and doing alchemy is way too much like MMO busy-work to me.

Those were the problems, and nothing else managed to grab me so I found myself putting it down.

Is there any reason to think I'll find 3 any different?

Turtyturd

If we're being honest 3 is a card game with RPG elements.

Kiith

If you didn't like 2, you may not like 3. It's pretty similar with more open world type things. It does have the best side quests in any game i've played though.

ionapaul

I'm 85 hours into the Witcher 3 at present (and only wandering around Skellige after completing most quest in Velen and Novigrad, still have loads to do I reckon!) and think it is so much better then 2 that I wouldn't let my enjoyment of that game colour my feelings on 3. I was very underwhelmed by 2, it was an 'OK' gaming experience but no better for me, I disliked many aspects of the narrative, its clumsy attempts at 'mature' themes (which came across like a teenager trying hard for shock value) and some gameplay elements. The Witcher 3 is much, much better I think!

super_furry

I didn't like two, couldn't get into it at all, but think 3 may be my favourite game ever.

Potatoeman

Zillah wrote: »

I tried Witcher 1 and 2 and gave up on both fairly quickly. I find it hard to describe why. I don't like Geralt very much, and I find it weird and off-putting to be playing a premade character that not only has a whole role and personality in the game, but also exists in a series of books (which I haven't read).

Also the emphasis on gathering herbs and doing alchemy is way too much like MMO busy-work to me.

Those were the problems, and nothing else managed to grab me so I found myself putting it down.

Is there any reason to think I'll find 3 any different?

That's a design choice to enable better storytelling. As good as the blankslate character is, it does limit the story. More options mean less cohesion.

EGriff

I loved Skyrim but the combat was terrible to be fair, swing and hope type stuff.
Witcher 3 is a masterpiece IMO, I'm gonna start again when the new DLC comes out.

Ri_Nollaig

EGriff wrote: »

I loved Skyrim but the combat was terrible to be fair, swing and hope type stuff.
Witcher 3 is a masterpiece IMO, I'm gonna start again when the new DLC comes out.

To be fair, the combat in Witcher 3 isn't great either.
Don't get me wrong, I loved it but it clearly had flaws too.
Was a big improvement over Witcher 1 [combat stances...] and 2 atleast.

Combat in Skyrim/all elder scrolls games kinda falls between, trying to be good at both first and third person and ends up being crap at both. Game released about 10 years ago, Dark Messiah of Might & Magic, had fantastic first person melee combat.
Would love to see the likes of that in a game like Skyrim.

Skerries

Ri_Nollaig wrote: »

Dark Messiah of Might & Magic, had fantastic first person melee combat.
Would love to see the likes of that in a game like Skyrim.

this **** right here!
I have been saying this for years, why can't they introduce the fighting mechanics from this game?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucSqMS4siVw

allibastor

I have gotten about 5 hours in and so far If I am honest I dont really feel it.


I think the loot/search/interaction feature is clunky. You need to be at a certain point to interact with something.

I find the conversations seem disjointed, you can be taking and then it seems like you change the conversation very fast.

The combat isnt great, I mean it is more fluid than Skyrim, but not great.
I am not loving the weapons and the inventory. I so far have 3 main swords, but my actual witcher sword is terrible in comparison. Why cant I craft or upgrade this?


I will give it more time, but as an RPG it falls short of Skyrim and FAllout 4 thus far. As said before it seems more of a MMORPG than anything, not a big fan of all the collecting plants and such

Zillah

Zillah wrote: »

I tried Witcher 1 and 2 and gave up on both fairly quickly. I find it hard to describe why. I don't like Geralt very much, and I find it weird and off-putting to be playing a premade character that not only has a whole role and personality in the game, but also exists in a series of books (which I haven't read).

Also the emphasis on gathering herbs and doing alchemy is way too much like MMO busy-work to me.

Those were the problems, and nothing else managed to grab me so I found myself putting it down.

Is there any reason to think I'll find 3 any different?

Are you me? I literally thought the exact same thing as you yet somehow I plowed through Witcher 2 (being unemployed might have helped :pac:). I didn't like Geralt nor do I like alchemy or crafting.

I kinda warmed to Geralt towards the end of Witcher 2, but not entirely. Then The Witcher 3 is now my game of the year. Easily. Just jump in and try some of the side quests. It is like watching an R rated film at times. The outcomes are often brutal and twisted. You can ignore all the crafting and still finish it on medium difficulty (sword and a story). I don't like item management or crafting so I could happily ignore for the vast majority of the game. The combat is improved from 2 to 3. I can't remember exactly how but I do recall 2 being somewhat mundane and a chore;that feeling is gone in 3.

allibastor

allibastor wrote: »

I have gotten about 5 hours in and so far If I am honest I dont really feel it.


I think the loot/search/interaction feature is clunky. You need to be at a certain point to interact with something.

I find the conversations seem disjointed, you can be taking and then it seems like you change the conversation very fast.

The combat isnt great, I mean it is more fluid than Skyrim, but not great.
I am not loving the weapons and the inventory. I so far have 3 main swords, but my actual witcher sword is terrible in comparison. Why cant I craft or upgrade this?


I will give it more time, but as an RPG it falls short of Skyrim and FAllout 4 thus far. As said before it seems more of a MMORPG than anything, not a big fan of all the collecting plants and such

It's head and shoulders above this games imo. Fallout 4 was such a massive disappointment. You can actually skip the "MMORPG" elements of the game; even though the exact same elements are in Skyrim and Fallout 4.

JustShon

Deleted User wrote: »

It's head and shoulders above this games imo. Fallout 4 was such a massive disappointment. You can actually skip the "MMORPG" elements of the game; even though the exact same elements are in Skyrim and Fallout 4.

You can't enjoy different games from me! You should enjoy these games and not those games!

JustShon

JustShon wrote: »

You can't enjoy different games from me! You should enjoy these games and not those games!

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I'm just offering my opinion

allibastor

To be fair, the crafting and such seemed much more animated in Skyrim and fallout.

I know in essences it is the same thing, but something just seemed a bit more fun to do.

I cant quite put my finger on it, I just find the controls kind of clunky and the inventory a big turn off.

Plus as other have said, I know having a pre-made character gives a bit more time for the story, but I find cause I dont know the back story I dont really care about Geralt of Riven.

Ri_Nollaig

allibastor wrote: »

To be fair, the crafting and such seemed much more animated in Skyrim and fallout.

I know in essences it is the same thing, but something just seemed a bit more fun to do.

I cant quite put my finger on it, I just find the controls kind of clunky and the inventory a big turn off.

Plus as other have said, I know having a pre-made character gives a bit more time for the story, but I find cause I dont know the back story I dont really care about Geralt of Riven.

I didn't like the collecting herbs crap either, hate "collecting 100 <x>" style quests. Often used just to pad out the game. But I don't remember them really being necessary in Witcher 3, I was able to avoid the vast majority.

As for the combat, yeah... it is what it is, same goes for the inventory management.

I would say, as you have invested 5 hours already, complete the 'Bloody Baron' quest. If you don't like it by then you can safely say its not for you

Ri_Nollaig

allibastor wrote: »

Plus as other have said, I know having a pre-made character gives a bit more time for the story, but I find cause I dont know the back story I dont really care about Geralt of Riven.

I know what you mean. Its probably a bit unfair trying to compare a game like Skyrim/Fallout to Witcher for this reason. Even more so in Skyrim as you have a 100% blank slate.

For storytelling reasons its better not to have a character creation but obviously for immersion people like having a million choices. It does create some "odd" events in Skyrim though, like bandits still attacking you even though you are the head of the assassins, thefts, fighters, archmage guild etc etc while some of those types of encounters in Witcher 3 result in them running away when they find out who you are

allibastor

I am 10 hours into the witcher now.
I am finding it still not as immersive as I would have liked.

The money system in game is terrible. I am doing quests but cant seem to get better at buying or selling stuff.
I dont seem to get any more carry weight. I have loads of stuff which is meant to sell for a decent price, and I had read that you need to find a certain vendor to buy each type, but still cant make any money or craft any goods as I am level 6 now and anything decent is all level 12 or more.

The crafting and such is a pain as everything needs to be paid for to dismantle or repair or anything like that.

I just found skyrim to be way better.

IvoryTower

Level 6? Patience man you've only turned it on!

Evade

allibastor wrote: »

I dont seem to get any more carry weight.

Saddlebags for your horse increase carry weight.

Skerries

or mod it for infinite carry weight

that's one thing I don't like about rpg's and try and mod it as I hate having to go off to sell stuff when I am stuck halfway down a cave or something and am overburdened

allibastor

I am playing on the PS4.

No i did the saddlebag things. I have 15 swords and load of crafting stuff.

I just dont feel I am getting into it. I am doing some of the main quests now, but anything says I should be a few levels above my own now.

I found a level 17 Niflguard guy just to see, I hot him for 15 mins straight and he took half damage, but 3 shots and I was killed.

I know in Skyrim and Fallout you have a tough time with hard enemies, but my guy is meant to be a witcher, some **** hard mutated guy, and here I am having issues with dogs and men. It just distracts from the overall feel I think.

I get the point of an RPG is to level up, but I find that being killed stupid by normal men when you are meant to beliive your some super monster hunter takes from the feel of the game

allibastor

allibastor wrote: »

I am 10 hours into the witcher now.
I am finding it still not as immersive as I would have liked.

The money system in game is terrible. I am doing quests but cant seem to get better at buying or selling stuff.
I dont seem to get any more carry weight. I have loads of stuff which is meant to sell for a decent price, and I had read that you need to find a certain vendor to buy each type, but still cant make any money or craft any goods as I am level 6 now and anything decent is all level 12 or more.

The crafting and such is a pain as everything needs to be paid for to dismantle or repair or anything like that.

I just found skyrim to be way better.

I agree with all these criticisms, but I just think crafting is terrible altogether. No matter what game, I've found it to be an utter chore. I ignored the economy of the Witcher and it managed to wonderfully accommodate me.

IvoryTower

Didn't do any crafting myself

allibastor

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I agree with all these criticisms, but I just think crafting is terrible altogether. No matter what game, I've found it to be an utter chore. I ignored the economy of the Witcher and it managed to wonderfully accommodate me.

To be fair i did think it good in Skyrim, but i found the animation of being working at a forge or whatnot good.

I Think it is just the few small things that add up to make it non emmersive.


And what is with the sideway stand from Geralt! Every convo he does it.

allibastor

allibastor wrote: »

To be fair i did think it good in Skyrim, but i found the animation of being working at a forge or whatnot good.

I Think it is just the few small things that add up to make it non emmersive.


And what is with the sideway stand from Geralt! Every convo he does it.

Well I think your nit picking in that case :pac:

allibastor

Deleted User wrote: »

Well I think your nit picking in that case :pac:

haha,

not so much the sideways glance thing, but I just dont feel the game is immersing me enough. I know the NPC dialoges in Skyrim were not great, and the elder scrolls online was woeful, but it seems the same in this also.

I have started to play lords of the fallen. Combat is actually quiet good in this.

sweetie

allibastor wrote:

I have started to play lords of the fallen. Combat is actually quiet good in this.

If you like this then bloodborne and dark souls will blow you away!

Xenji

sweetie wrote: »

If you like this then bloodborne and dark souls will blow you away!

Lords Of The Fallen was your typical launch RPG, mediocre and bug riddled, but can easily be finished in a day if you just do the story and avoid the Guardian boss bug.

Xenji

Xenji wrote: »

Lords Of The Fallen was your typical launch RPG, mediocre and bug riddled, but can easily be finished in a day if you just do the story and avoid the Guardian boss bug.

Only bad bugs I had were with the achievements not popping and needing another playthough.

That said there were plenty that worked in your favor, heres me cheesing the judge on ng++ http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/Calex%20dEUS/video/1010406

The game itself was ok , just dark souls with training wheels and very shallow in terms of gear and magic etc. etc. which annoyed me especially after I bought into what the devs said pre-release and they sounded credible. Still I enjoyed it for what it was.

allibastor

I am about 10 hours (maybe a bit less) into the Witcher 3.

It seems good, I did find the Bloody Baron quest line to be great, big shout out to whom ever said stick that one out!

The crafting/mutagen thins is still getting me a bit, no idea how it works beyond the initial intro of it.

Finding the use of leveled materials also a bit of a chore, but definitely good.

Xenji

allibastor wrote: »

I am about 10 hours (maybe a bit less) into the Witcher 3.

It seems good, I did find the Bloody Baron quest line to be great, big shout out to whom ever said stick that one out!

The crafting/mutagen thins is still getting me a bit, no idea how it works beyond the initial intro of it.

Finding the use of leveled materials also a bit of a chore, but definitely good.

I found the crafting system to be very poor and a bit pointless at times, to be honest though it would be the only gripe I have about the Witcher.

allibastor

Xenji wrote: »

I found the crafting system to be very poor and a bit pointless at times, to be honest though it would be the only gripe I have about the Witcher.

To be fair, similar here. the combat seems to be very repetitive also, dogde and duck and all that.

I am trying to get to the crafting as my level goes up my health isnt, so I am finding that a few hits are killing me.

But now I am level 12 I find that I can kick ass wholesale at this stage.