Cheap Dual Action

vectra

Only 600watt but in fairness at the price you cant go wrong.

http://www.argos.co.uk/beta/static/Product/partNumber/4645777.htm#pdpFullDesc

edburg

Detailing must be taking in Ireland for Argos to start selling, handy price for the starter/part timer.

See a link for a silverline rotary like mine for 48 euro to. Heavy sod but has been battered for some 10 years and still alive today.

vectra

edburg wrote: »

Detailing must be taking in Ireland for Argos to start selling, handy price for the starter/part timer.

See a link for a silverline rotary like mine for 48 euro to. Heavy sod but has been battered for some 10 years and still alive today.

Only thing is
That Argos is in the uk.

edburg

vectra wrote: »

Only thing is
That Argos is in the uk.

Terrible post then haha

ianobrien

I've a silly question or three for this and dual actions in general.

What pads does this take, as in can you put on the hex logic pads for example?
Do you usually have a pad dedicated to a backing plate (is do you need a backing plate for each pad)
Is there a dedicated buffing pad available? I'm thinking of a buffing after a wax application mainly

I "think" I'm right in saying you use the least severe pad/polish that you can get away with and then use a finishing pad, but then again.......

edburg

ianobrien wrote: »

I've a silly question or three for this and dual actions in general.

What pads does this take, as in can you put on the hex logic pads for example?
Do you usually have a pad dedicated to a backing plate (is do you need a backing plate for each pad)
Is there a dedicated buffing pad available? I'm thinking of a buffing after a wax application mainly

I "think" I'm right in saying you use the least severe pad/polish that you can get away with and then use a finishing pad, but then again.......

Most pads should fit the the backing plate, I only change my backing plate for the size of pads not type of pads. Personally used hex logic, 3m, chemical guys pad and some Autobrite Microfibre and raylon pads.

Personally just buff wax off by hand with microfibers, not sure there a gain in buffing by machine over hand (other than time saving)



You might get more replies/opinions on the detail chat thread if your looking for more replies.

vectra

edburg wrote: »

Terrible post then haha

I have one word for you my good man
PARCELMOTEL :pac::pac::pac:

JohnBoy26

vectra wrote: »

Only 600watt but in fairness at the price you cant go wrong.

http://www.argos.co.uk/beta/static/Product/partNumber/4645777.htm#pdpFullDesc

It's about €80 here which is still good value.

What pads will fit this?

cena

On the irish argos site

http://www.argos.ie/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Search?storeId=10152&catalogId=14551&langId=111&searchTerms=4645777&authToken=

vectra

Didnt spot it on the irish site.
Good price
I would imagine you would have no probelm using Hex pads available in Detailingshed or possibly D&D ?

Curran

Not too many details on the polisher, but would assume that the pad just peels away from the backing plate, and you should be able to use any other pads. No mention of the size of the backing plate, but guessing its a 5" backing plate, which would be suitable for anything over 5", say the Lake Country pads which are 5.25" or the Hex Logic which are 5.5"
Smaller backing plates are available, assuming that one can in fact be removed, and replaced with the standard 5/16th thread, to get into the more awkward areas, and corners of panels.

Yes, Ian, the best way to polish any paintwork is to start with the least aggressive combo and work your way up. The least removal of the paintwork the better....slower to achieve, but means there is more paint there to polish the next times you wish to do it. That said, obviously you dont want to be wasting your time if you know your paintwork is hard, say German manufacturer, and a finishing pad and polish on a Dual Action polisher, you may as well be pi$$ing into the wind, so you'd start in with perhaps a medium combo of pad and polish and assess what correction you achieve with that - if its good, unlikely, then perhaps easy off on the combo, but you're likely to be reaching for a more aggressive option. On Honda paintwork, it might be spot on. There is a bit of getting to feel your way into it, hence starting with the least aggressive option and working your way up is always the advised method.

cena

Curran wrote: »

Not too many details on the polisher, but would assume that the pad just peels away from the backing plate, and you should be able to use any other pads. No mention of the size of the backing plate, but guessing its a 5" backing plate, which would be suitable for anything over 5", say the Lake Country pads which are 5.25" or the Hex Logic which are 5.5"
Smaller backing plates are available, assuming that one can in fact be removed, and replaced with the standard 5/16th thread, to get into the more awkward areas, and corners of panels.

More info can be found on the uk site. Just go the q&a neat the bottom left of the page

vectra

Another one here in Aliexpress.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/high-quality-variable-speed-dual-action-car-polisher-mini-polisher/32304834577.html?spm=2114.40010608.4.2.8QMQFv

cena

vectra wrote: »

Another one here in Aliexpress.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/high-quality-variable-speed-dual-action-car-polisher-mini-polisher/32304834577.html?spm=2114.40010608.4.2.8QMQFv

Would you to pay custom?

dodzy

cena wrote: »

Would you to pay custom?

23%. If you're caught.

vectra

dodzy wrote: »

23%. If you're caught.

so
140 dollars
Plus 23%
What would that come to?

cena

vectra wrote: »

so
140 dollars
Plus 23%
What would that come to?

172 euro

edburg

cena wrote: »

172 euro

156 euro (172 dolla )

ianobrien

Well I just picked one up. To be honest I probably couldn't justify a DAS-6 as I wouldn't have the usage for it.

Anyway, the machine. The backing plate is a fraction over 5.5" in diameter, with Velcro to attach the pad. There is one 7" foam pad in the box, along with a spanner for taking the plate off. Flex is reasonably long, machine is surprisingly heavy with a fixed handle in front. Speed control is next to where the flex goes in, not near where you hold it.

All that's left is to get some pads and polish (watch out chat thread). Then to find a car I can practice on before I tackle a car I care about.

edburg

Big plate on that, but as said above any of the 6" pads can be used. Look through leaflets for thread size for backing plate you maybe able to find a universal 3" backing plate for more awckward spots that could do with smaller pads.

ianobrien

edburg wrote: »

Big plate on that, but as said above any of the 6" pads can be used. Look through leaflets for thread size for backing plate you maybe able to find a universal 3" backing plate for more awckward spots that could do with smaller pads.

I've been looking and couldn't find a mention of thread size.

*Kol*

ianobrien wrote: »

I've been looking and couldn't find a mention of thread size.

It says on the Argos site that the front handle is adjustable? Can the position be changed?

ianobrien

*Kol* wrote: »

It says on the Argos site that the front handle is adjustable? Can the position be changed?

Possibly, if I had the right Allen key to loosen the fixings!

To be honest, I didn't look too hard to see if I could adjust it. I couldn't see how to do it without using an Allen key.

JohnBoy26

I think I'll buy one in the coming days. For that money you can't really go wrong.

*Kol*

ianobrien wrote: »

Possibly, if I had the right Allen key to loosen the fixings!

To be honest, I didn't look too hard to see if I could adjust it. I couldn't see how to do it without using an Allen key.

Thanks. Feel free to practice on my camper!! Right hand side as that's where the door is!

ianobrien

*Kol* wrote: »

Thanks. Feel free to practice on my camper!! Right hand side as that's where the door is!

Once the water tank is full, the tea caddy is full and there's biscuits in the tin I'd be happy to go and watch you at it!

cena

ianobrien wrote: »

Well I just picked one up. To be honest I probably couldn't justify a DAS-6 as I wouldn't have the usage for it.

Anyway, the machine. The backing plate is a fraction over 5.5" in diameter, with Velcro to attach the pad. There is one 7" foam pad in the box, along with a spanner for taking the plate off. Flex is reasonably long, machine is surprisingly heavy with a fixed handle in front. Speed control is next to where the flex goes in, not near where you hold it.

All that's left is to get some pads and polish (watch out chat thread). Then to find a car I can practice on before I tackle a car I care about.

Did you try it out yet?

ianobrien

I'm afraid to say no.

I didn't even get around to getting pads/polish. I'm putting in an order soon (I need snowfoam, wheel cleaner and a tar remover).

I imagine it will be the end of April before I have the time to use it (and give the cars at home their spring detail). I can see three or four days work there.

colm_mcm

Reduced in price at the moment. Tempted tbh.

cena

colm_mcm wrote: »

Reduced in price at the moment. Tempted tbh.

Think I well get one this weekend. Be handy to have

colm_mcm

If I were to buy one of those, can anyone advise on what I'd need to buy in the line of pads and product. It's for my civic, non metallic black. Paint isn't shocking, but has some fine scratching in places, and just general wear and tear from 9 years. I've done my best but really need a machine.

vectra

colm_mcm wrote: »

If I were to buy one of those, can anyone advise on what I'd need to buy in the line of pads and product. It's for my civic, non metallic black. Paint isn't shocking, but has some fine scratching in places, and just general wear and tear from 9 years. I've done my best but really need a machine.

As far as I am aware the Honda paint is on the soft side.
So I would suggest green hex pad to cut and black hex pad to finish
As for Polish
Possibly Chemical guys V36 to cut and V38 to finish but as i have had no experience wit honda paint someone else may be able to suggest more suitalbe products.

Curran

Vectra is spot on there!

You should see great results in terms of correction on the soft Honda paint.

cena

What kind of paint would be on a 07 astra. Soft/hard

Curran

Medium to hard, and likely to be closer to the harder side

cena

Curran wrote: »

Medium to hard, and likely to be closer to the harder side

What pads and compound would I need??

Curran

As with any paintwork its best to have a few combo's so a heavy, medium and fine in each of the pad and polish, is a good starting point.

cena

Curran wrote: »

As with any paintwork its best to have a few combo's so a heavy, medium and fine in each of the pad and polish, is a good starting point.

Any offers on combo pads and polish

ianobrien

cena wrote: »

Any offers on combo pads and polish

Ya just wondering about the same thing as I must get some.

Curran

Right now, just a bit shy on pads, but will be doing a Chemical Guys order in the coming week - if there was a bit of interest, say perhaps 5 minimum, I could do a pads and polish combo with a bit of a discount!

ianobrien

Curran wrote: »

Right now, just a bit shy on pads, but will be doing a Chemical Guys order in the coming week - if there was a bit of interest, say perhaps 5 minimum, I could do a pads and polish combo with a bit of a discount!

Curran, can you let me know when you get the pads in as I want to order some. I'll be ordering other goodies also. From looking, as I just want minor correction/enhancement and mainly using it on VAG paint (I don't trust myself yet on vintage paint and motorhome bodies, yet), I was thinking of Chemical Guys V38 & V40 and a 6.5" Hex Logic Green and Black pads. The query would be would I get a white pad instead of a green one? Would the same apply to the black and I get the red pad?

Also, I managed to find a spare Citroen AX GTi door in the back of the garage (don't ask!) so I'll be able to practice before I attack the cars at home.

Curran

Black and Green would be ideal.
V38 is the finishing polish, but V40, no such thing....P40? No, thats more suited to hand polish. Even with V38 on a Green Pad, isnt a whole lot of cut, so I would be inclinded to go with the V36 and V38, along with a Green and Black pad. Choice of a few combos to get you strated on the feel of doing correction work.

Just a side note, 6.5" pads are quite large; rarely use them myself, only on large flat panels; so perhaps suited to the motorhome, but for the modern car, much less so. The idea is to keep the pad as flat to the surface as possible; not easy with larger pads on the body panels of modern cars - 5.5" would have been the size I used most.

Perfect panel to start you off on the first few attempts; you'll get a very good feel for it with about an hours practice!

ianobrien

Ya meant the P40. Sorry about that. I was thinking of the 6.5" as the head is slightly bigger than 5.5". I don't know the tread type of the head to get a replacement if needed.

I reckon I'll go first for the green & black, with the V36 & V38. I can always get an orange pad later if I think I need it.

As for the motorhomes, it's the graphics mainly that I'd be afraid of as most are transfers (and it would be a disaster to mask). Some of the bodies are not regular painted panels (some are gel coats). I wouldn't be attacking one without some serious homework. My own is a regular Fiat bodied hightop (so could be done) but would still be a disaster to mask the graphics.

vectra

ianobrien wrote: »

Ya meant the P40. Sorry about that. I was thinking of the 6.5" as the head is slightly bigger than 5.5". .

Personally I would probably stick with the smaller pads as the bigger ones may bog down the machine being only 600watt.

cena

ianobrien wrote: »

Ya meant the P40. Sorry about that. I was thinking of the 6.5" as the head is slightly bigger than 5.5". I don't know the tread type of the head to get a replacement if needed.

I reckon I'll go first for the green & black, with the V36 & V38. I can always get an orange pad later if I think I need it.

As for the motorhomes, it's the graphics mainly that I'd be afraid of as most are transfers (and it would be a disaster to mask). Some of the bodies are not regular painted panels (some are gel coats). I wouldn't be attacking one without some serious homework. My own is a regular Fiat bodied hightop (so could be done) but would still be a disaster to mask the graphics.

Well you be changing the backing plate

Curran

The backing plate that comes with the machine is very large and 5.5" pads are not suitable...they'll go on...but you will have backing plate overhang while you want the pad to be large than the backing plate, just slightly. Backing plate overhang risks coming in contact with the surface, mirrors, door handles, etc, but if you have pad overlap then you have a buffer for error.

As said, 6.5" will be quite large for a car, and Vectra's point is one I forgot to raise...definitely with the lesser power a larger pad will cause the machine to bog down, a problem the entry DA's suffer with anyways.

vectra

Curran wrote: »

The backing plate that comes with the machine is very large and 5.5" pads are not suitable...they'll go on...but you will have backing plate overhang while you want the pad to be large than the backing plate, just slightly. Backing plate overhang risks coming in contact with the surface, mirrors, door handles, etc, but if you have pad overlap then you have a buffer for error.

As said, 6.5" will be quite large for a car, and Vectra's point is one I forgot to raise...definitely with the lesser power a larger pad will cause the machine to bog down, a problem the entry DA's suffer with anyways.

Ddin't realsie the backing plate was bigger

ianobrien

Backing plate to add to the shopping list so. I'm going to guess that the 5" plate will fit (and cross my fingers that it does). I reckon the 3" one (and 4" pad) would take too long to do the car!

Do people regularly swap between the 5.5" and the 4" pads (and plates)? I'm thinking of door pillars and where it's not really that flat.

Also, from my reading, I learned the pad HAS to be bigger than the plate, hence my asking for the 6.5". Yes I have been trying to study this before I pulled the trigger.

cena

ianobrien wrote: »

Backing plate to add to the shopping list so. I'm going to guess that the 5" plate will fit (and cross my fingers that it does). I reckon the 3" one (and 4" pad) would take too long to do the car!

Do people regularly swap between the 5.5" and the 4" pads (and plates)? I'm thinking of door pillars and where it's not really that flat.

Also, from my reading, I learned the pad HAS to be bigger than the plate, hence my asking for the 6.5". Yes I have been trying to study this before I pulled the trigger.

I going for a 5'' backing plate and using 5.5'' pad. Not sure why the pad that came with it is so big

*Kol*

ianobrien wrote: »

Backing plate to add to the shopping list so. I'm going to guess that the 5" plate will fit (and cross my fingers that it does). I reckon the 3" one (and 4" pad) would take too long to do the car!

Do people regularly swap between the 5.5" and the 4" pads (and plates)? I'm thinking of door pillars and where it's not really that flat.

Also, from my reading, I learned the pad HAS to be bigger than the plate, hence my asking for the 6.5". Yes I have been trying to study this before I pulled the trigger.

Did you remove the existing backing plate to see what size the thread is?

Would it be possible to machine half an inch off the existing plate?

cena

*Kol* wrote: »

Did you remove the existing backing plate to see what size the thread is?

Would it be possible to machine half an inch off the existing plate?

It doesn't say what size the thread is