WWE dropping the ball

Straight Edge Punk

Im not sure if its ok to start a discussion on this or if it has been done before but it is something that came to mind last night while watching the 2000 Royal Rumble. What or who in your mind was the biggest case of WWF/E dropping the ball?

The reason i ask is because while watching last night i only remembered it was the debut of Taz(z) when Kurt came to the ring to cut his promo. Back then i was a huge ECW fan and was convinced Taz would reign supreme in the WWF for years but instead he was just passed around before finally settling on a spot beside Maggle Cole on Smackdown.

There are so many cases like this, obviously not everyone i loved could get pushed as much as i wanted but characters like Raven should definitely have been treated better than he was, Lance Storm was one of the best technical wrestlers around and was landed with that horrible ''boring'' gimmick and that was the end for him.

Loughc

Dolph Ziggler - Twice.

When he became World Heavyweight Champion, suffered a concussion, they had a ready made storyline in him getting his redemption and his title back, instead he disappeared into Midcard limbo.

Flash forward to Survivor Series and Team Cena vs. The Authority, Ziggler scores the deciding pinfall and is megaover as a result. End result, midcard limbo trading wins and losses that mean nothing.

Ziggler can get over when they push him, has a good look and can go in the ring. Reminds me of Curt Henning.

the groutch

Damien Sandow, he was given absolute sh***, and still turned it into gold.
For at least six months he was the 2nd most over guy in the company behind DB.
Even in the recent Rumble pre-show he was super-over.

Straight Edge Punk

Loughc wrote: »

Dolph Ziggler - Twice.

When he became World Heavyweight Champion, suffered a concussion, they had a ready made storyline in him getting his redemption and his title back, instead he disappeared into Midcard limbo.

Flash forward to Survivor Series and Team Cena vs. The Authority, Ziggler scores the deciding pinfall and is megaover as a result. End result, midcard limbo trading wins and losses that mean nothing.

Ziggler can get over when they push him, has a good look and can go in the ring. Reminds me of Curt Henning.

Oh god yes. Is there any reason why they keep sh*tting on him from a height? He has everything needed to be a top star in the company but instead we get force fed Roman every week.

Cesaro is another one that comes to mind, he was super over before he won the Andre battle royal, hooked up with Heyman and that was the end of him. It was strange to see someone going downhill like that after linking up with Paul E.

Straight Edge Punk

the groutch wrote: »

Damien Sandow, he was given absolute sh***, and still turned it into gold.
For at least six months he was the 2nd most over guy in the company behind DB.
Even in the recent Rumble pre-show he was super-over.

I loved his stuff with Miz, my wife couldnt understand why i would be proper laughing out loud at his work when they were tagging together.

Loughc

Straight Edge Punk wrote: »

Oh god yes. Is there any reason why they keep sh*tting on him from a height? He has everything needed to be a top star in the company but instead we get force fed Roman every week.

It's a mixture of Vince not liking the smaller guys he's convinced they're more injury prone so when Ziggler got the concussion he was like I told you so... And then there's Ziggler who has a habit of trashing the WWE on social media when he feels like he's been overlooked.

Kankan14

Straight Edge Punk wrote: »

Oh god yes. Is there any reason why they keep sh*tting on him from a height? He has everything needed to be a top star in the company but instead we get force fed Roman every week.

Cesaro is another one that comes to mind, he was super over before he won the Andre battle royal, hooked up with Heyman and that was the end of him. It was strange to see someone going downhill like that after linking up with Paul E.

Ziggler was too lippy for his own good iirc. So creative decided to take him down a peg or two by stuffing him in midcard limbo.

As for cesaro, he was kind of an afterthought in his pairing with heyman.
Heyman said on a samnotsam show he only got paired with cesaro to big up brock's 1 in 21-1!

Heyman explains it better here https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=TkL9mN353gs

Cant embed that as on my phone but only 4 mins long and def worth viewing.

Straight Edge Punk

Loughc wrote: »

It's a mixture of Vince not liking the smaller guys he's convinced they're more injury prone so when Ziggler got the concussion he was like I told you so... And then there's Ziggler who has a habit of trashing the WWE on social media when he feels like he's been overlooked.

Ziggler always strikes me as a big dude.

Its a shame that there is no competition for WWE anymore, guys like Punk and Ziggler would have been able to go to a competitor and show WWE just what they are missing out on by forcing wrestlers on to the fans that we have no interest in watching.

Straight Edge Punk

Kankan14 wrote: »

Ziggler was too lippy for his own good iirc. So creative decided to take him down a peg or two by stuffing him in midcard limbo.

As for cesaro, he was kind of an afterthought in his pairing with heyman.
Heyman said on a samnotsam show he only got paired with cesaro to big up brock's 1 in 21-1!

Heyman explains it better here https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=TkL9mN353gs

Cant embed that as on my phone but only 4 mins long and def worth viewing.

Wow, thats a bit sh*t on Cesaro. He didnt need to hook up with Heyman solely for that reason. He had gotten himself over on his own. They could have given that spot to anyone on the roster if it was just being used as a Brock promotional spot.

Lord TSC

Straight Edge Punk wrote: »

Wow, thats a bit sh*t on Cesaro. He didnt need to hook up with Heyman solely for that reason. He had gotten himself over on his own. They could have given that spot to anyone on the roster if it was just being used as a Brock promotional spot.

Ideally, Cesaro would have been able to benefit from the heat that was on Brock and Heyman; Heyman would have pivoted the heat in a "MY client Brock Lesnar beat Undertaker...and Cesaro is twice as good as Brock was!"

The issue was that Heyman only ever talked about Brock, and Cesaro never got much to do in terms of a feud to capitalize on it As with so many ideas in WWE, the original idea behind it was solid, but the execution was ****ed up.

Angron

I think the worst part of the Cesaro thing was, at the time, all the pieces were in place for a face turn, people wanted to cheer for Cesaro. Instead we got a Swagger face turn because... I don't even know.


Also, it's not really dropping the ball but more refusing to acknowledge that the ball was there in the first place, but it took them far, far too long to capitalise on the popularity of Daniel Bryan.

Liam McPoyle

Been mentioned countless times but the Invasion angle was so badly handled on all fronts, such a massively missed opportunity.

Big Show. When he debuted he was hugely over and a recognisable star. He could really move for a big guy and wasn't a fat mess like Viscera. He could / should have been the monster heel for years to instead he kinda just fizzled out a couple of months into his contract.

CastorTroy

Wasn't it Cena that they used to try and take all the popularity away from Ziggler after Survivor Series?

I think Barrett is another one they've dropped the ball with. His injuries haven't helped but even when he' not injured, he doesn't get to do much. You just have to look at LoN and how even though he's a member, any tag teams are usually made up of the other 3 guys and he mightn't even be at ringside.

Lord TSC

Angron wrote: »

Also, it's not really dropping the ball but more refusing to acknowledge that the ball was there in the first place, but it took them far, far too long to capitalise on the popularity of Daniel Bryan.

Was the one that jumped to mind, though I know the response would be "But he still got a few titles, Mania match, etc".

They fought that so, so hard, and its incredible the crowd support got stronger the worse they treated him, when so many haven't had the same reaction to the same circumstances.

CastorTroy

And now they retroactively made it seem like it was really long storyline where the Authority was keeping Bryan down

PTH2009

Bray Wyatt keeps getting put into promising fueds buts they always get boring and he always loses.

Ryback will never be the megastar they should of brought goldberg in as his mentor and carry on the goldberg legacy.

Loughc

PTH2009 wrote: »

Ryback will never be the megastar they should of brought goldberg in as his mentor and carry on the goldberg legacy.

Worked out well for Ric Flair and The Miz.

Angron

Lord TSC wrote: »

Was the one that jumped to mind, though I know the response would be "But he still got a few titles, Mania match, etc".

They fought that so, so hard, and its incredible the crowd support got stronger the worse they treated him, when so many haven't had the same reaction to the same circumstances.

Yeah, I wasn't sure if it would really count because he did eventually get there, but it's just that it took them so long that I reckoned it was worth a mention.

ricero

Ryback was white hot when he was feuding with punk for the title. Always felt they dropped the ball with him losing to punk at hell in a cell and then turning him heel to face cena

Kolido

The man they call VADER could have been booked much better during his WWf run. He had great agility for a big guy. Could have been a monster heel if booked right.

beakerjoe

Lord TSC wrote: »

Was the one that jumped to mind, though I know the response would be "But he still got a few titles, Mania match, etc".

They fought that so, so hard, and its incredible the crowd support got stronger the worse they treated him, when so many haven't had the same reaction to the same circumstances.

WWE wasted so sooo much time with Bryan. He could been so much bigger had they went with the flow instead of fighting it.

His Ring of Honor work tells you he can be very versatile character wise, whether the gutsy underdog or the smaller super confident wrestler, to the over confident champion, he was capable of so much. He turned so much of WWE creative half assed ideas and turned them into gold (TEAM HELL NO for example). He could have been so much more.

I'm just glad he had his WM30 moment, he deserved it.

Straight Edge Punk

PTH2009 wrote: »

Bray Wyatt keeps getting put into promising fueds buts they always get boring and he always loses.

Ryback will never be the megastar they should of brought goldberg in as his mentor and carry on the goldberg legacy.

Thats down to Bray himself though. There is only so many times we can hear the exact same rambling promo that actually goes nowhere.

Add that to the fact that he never gets a win from his big feuds and they have seriously damaged him for the forseeable future, him and the Wyatt Family should be running all over Raw and Smackdown absolutely destroying people but no, instead they are losing to Kane, Big Show and Ryback on PPV instead.

Bounty Hunter

Straight Edge Punk wrote: »

Thats down to Bray himself though. There is only so many times we can hear the exact same rambling promo that actually goes nowhere.

Add that to the fact that he never gets a win from his big feuds and they have seriously damaged him for the forseeable future, him and the Wyatt Family should be running all over Raw and Smackdown absolutely destroying people but no, instead they are losing to Kane, Big Show and Ryback on PPV instead.

I wouldn't necessarily blame him. Although I would imagine he is given a bit more free range with his promos than some others I'm sure they would go somewhere if they gave his character some direction and as you said a big win here or there.

Blue_Dabadee

Zack Ryder. He got over with the fans through the powers of social media, but WWE buried him 6 feet under with his feud with Kane.

gnfnrhead

Loughc wrote: »

Dolph Ziggler - Twice.

When he became World Heavyweight Champion, suffered a concussion, they had a ready made storyline in him getting his redemption and his title back, instead he disappeared into Midcard limbo.

Flash forward to Survivor Series and Team Cena vs. The Authority, Ziggler scores the deciding pinfall and is megaover as a result. End result, midcard limbo trading wins and losses that mean nothing.

Ziggler can get over when they push him, has a good look and can go in the ring. Reminds me of Curt Henning.

If you look up midcarder you'd see a picture of Dolph Ziggler. Everything from his name to his look to his boring promos to his mediocre offence to his awful flop like a fish selling is midcard, at best. Ziggler is in his correct position right now. Back in 1997, Ahmed Johnson was insanely popular too. Should he have been main eventing? Not a chance. Just because you are popular doesn't mean you have to be pushed. You need more than just being popular, Daniel Bryan for example ticked a lot of the other boxes too.

PTH2009 wrote: »

Bray Wyatt keeps getting put into promising fueds buts they always get boring and he always loses.

Ryback will never be the megastar they should of brought goldberg in as his mentor and carry on the goldberg legacy.

They get boring because Wyatt does the exact same long rambling promo every week and it makes people lose interest. If you're going to speak the way he does, you better be saying something interesting. He never does hence why nobody cares about him. His feuds are boring because of him.

As for Ryback, the guy was and still is dreadful. At one point it seemed like he was injuring an actual star every second week. Why the hell would you push him if he is constantly injuring your top guys?

chopperbyrne

Razor Ramon should have been world champion.

Great look, character and charisma, and a solid worker too.

Unfortunately Vince took one look at Diesel and strapped the rocket to him.

Outside of WWE, obviously Bret in WCW is of the worst use of talents ever.

brianregan09

Summer of Punk has got to be the biggest instance of WWE dropping the ball a monster storyline and they were getting traction on real media and they brought Punk back a week later thus killing it then for some reason dragged Triple H and Kevin Nash into it bizzare

briany

Straight Edge Punk wrote: »

Thats down to Bray himself though. There is only so many times we can hear the exact same rambling promo that actually goes nowhere.

Add that to the fact that he never gets a win from his big feuds and they have seriously damaged him for the forseeable future, him and the Wyatt Family should be running all over Raw and Smackdown absolutely destroying people but no, instead they are losing to Kane, Big Show and Ryback on PPV instead.

And I think Bray will be saying "FOLLOW THE BUZZARRRRRDS!!" for quite a while to come, too, and Luke Harper will be making tweaker faces to the camera until his release. Bray's a victim of this weird creative stagnancy that WWE seem to be suffering from. He's far from the only one, though. It used to be that a wrestler could grow and change from their debut - look at how different a guy like Edge became from his debut to only a couple of years later. Now, they're just put in a box. They do their act, they get a trademarked nickname and that's it. Maybe we get the occasional heel change and hairstyle change, but that's about it. And that's fair enough for some wrestlers because maybe they've reached a level of maturity with their persona or they're only really capable of being a one-note performer, but some of the wrestlers on WWE's roster are really being stifled by this, and some of these wrestlers are still pretty young.

Stereomaniac

Bray Wyatt's promos are great. There's probably just too many of them. It would probably be better if they had The Wyatt Family attack people, have matches and only do a promo once every few weeks. The mystique that was there when they debuted originally could be restored. I think the biggest moment where they dropped the ball with him, that sent him down the road he's on currently is when he didn't beat John Cena at WrestleMania XXX. He could have gone to the next level that night. Then the following month he didn't beat him strongly.

ERG89

WWE have made an awful mess of Reigns, doubt it's popular to say that

SlickRic

Summer of Punk, and HHH feeling the need to come in, beat him, and go back into his non-active role.

Daniel Bryan. He got his moment, but what a fúcking waste all our time finally getting him there, then they were still trying to book him like a geek (look at his feud with Kane after WM30).

Dean Ambrose. They're booking him like a moron. They can still prove me wrong when he fights Brock at Mania. He should be Reigns' position, end of.

Dusty Rhodes. Those fúcking polka-dots.

Ric Flair in his first WWE run. The Royal Rumble match was epic, but not getting Hogan/Flair done for WM 8 was a joke.

Kurt Angle. Vince wasted everyone's time in 2001/2 with his goofy bollocks. Just book him to tie people in knots, and be cocky doing it. Easy. Kurt was a victim of being funny, and was saddled with shíte because of it.

I'd have to say Goldberg.

They made him look like a chump within weeks by doing backstage comedy bits with Goldust.

The worst though was the elimination chamber at Summerslam 2003. Best reaction he got in WWE with him going through everyone in the match but then HHH hits him with the sledge hammer and pins him.

Made worse by the fact that HHH was carrying an injury at the time (hence him wearing those stupid bicycle shorts) so it made even more sense to drop the belt.

CastorTroy

Drew McIntyre is another one. The chosen one, etc

Agree with Summer of Punk as well.

Bringing Punk back too early for starters.

He should have at least got a match vs Nash with Nash putting him over.

HHH beating him at he PPV was a disgrace.

Itssoeasy

ricero wrote: »

Ryback was white hot when he was feuding with punk for the title. Always felt they dropped the ball with him losing to punk at hell in a cell and then turning him heel to face cena

Dropped the ball ? Well ryback is known for dropping people alright.

Stereomaniac

Yeah. The fact that they booked themselves into a corner at the Hell In A Cell springs to mind.

Looper007

Blue_Dabadee wrote: »

Zack Ryder. He got over with the fans through the powers of social media, but WWE buried him 6 feet under with his feud with Kane.

He was basically used to get Cena more Cheers and to get Eve over as a Heel, she screwed Ryder over week after week and he never once got any payback. After that he was pretty much dead in the water, well at least he has EMMA from NXT to lick his wounds with . But it was one of the worse burials I've seen, but was anyone shocked he got over himself something you don't do in WWE.

Looper007

Deleted User wrote: »

Agree with Summer of Punk as well.

Bringing Punk back too early for starters.

He should have at least got a match vs Nash with Nash putting him over.

HHH beating him at he PPV was a disgrace.

something Punk bought up before he quit to HHH, he should have done the honours and put over Punk. Wouldn't have done HHH no harm but it totally screwed Punk over. Sure he got a long ass WWE title run (even that was treated second rate to anything Cena was doing). He had to lose to Taker The Rock and Lesnar without getting any payback. Put into useless feuds with Jericho Axel and Ryback.

To be fair to Punk he did his best with whatever he got but you could see he was totally fed up by the end of it.

nasty_crash

How much of punk being fed up with the product was down to the people - or lack thereof - who he wanted to have fueds with - i.e. your Axel, Ryback, Kane, Big Show's etc. - Gotta think he has to be interested in returning in some part with the likes of Owens, Nakamura, Aries, Finn, Gallows, Sami, Hideo, Joe all on the roster! And having ambrose and rollins(after injury) higher up on the card now!

Back to the topic at hand...

I have to agree with the Ziggler suggestions.... I remember seeing him in dublin at the hotel before the Show and everyone was like 'Its About Time' after he won the title on the Monday After mania... that was epic... its funny to think they took the strap off him so quick after getting that concussion when we have seen in recent times - Brock defend the title every month and not show up inbetween - trips now have it and its not defended - Bryan was injured for a while before he gave it up! I think they missed a beat with ziggs

Also they were really close to dropping the ball with ambrose - and it showed the way he lost the IC title and he hasnt even mentioned it since.... it was like

Writers - Your gonna face Brock at mania!
Ambrose - Yes!
Writers - Oh wait whats the big shiny thing around your waste?
Ambrose - Oh thats my IC title that I've had for a while and defended etc
Writers - Ok... lets see.... your gonna loose that sunday.... and after that we will never speak of it again
Ambrose - but surely i should get a rematch??
Writers - .... never again Dean!

And they really need to be careful how they book ambrose over the next couple of weeks with Roadblock and Mania cos if they make him look crazy.... and weak.... Im just not sold on how its playing out now! Granted so happy that ambrose and brock at mania - i didnt fancy bray and brock at all!!

Angron

I'm still very hopeful they won't drop the ball with Dean. He's consistently getting some of the best reactions on the show, in spite of that period in 2014 where he lost (I think) every PPV match he had, mostly through interference or just really stupid stuff (like a fecking exploding telly). Unfortunately, I think the only way he's actually getting to the top right now is if Roman gets injured, and Cena or Seth can't be rushed back in.

beakerjoe

WWE have missed the boat with a heap load of talent and most of it is because of Vinces mentality of tearing their character down and building them back up and in many cases the character initially there was great and the attempt of rebuilding said wrestler is very lazily done.

If you got over elsewhere (WVW, ROH, TNA, ECW), Vince will want to destroy that and try rebuild the individual his way. If said character is over elsewhere and comes to WWE, WWE creative will fight hard to let it gain traction and get over on its own without Vinces or anyones input.

In the 90’s, more than likely if you were a big name coming into WWF, you wouldn’t be as big as you were previously. God forbid an outsider can come into WWE and be just as successful. You could argue that the likes of Dusty Rhodes, Rick Rude and Vader all could have been top stars in WWE, but they never got the big push or the big win, rather they were designed to be popular names to get other WWE talent over. But if you came from outside and if Vince tweeked, altered or complete changed your gimmick, name or look, then you stood a chance of being pushed.

Hogan, Warrior, Savage, Diesel, Razor Ramon, Bret, Owen, Yokozunna, Mabel, Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, Steve Austin, The Rock, HHH, Kurt Angle......all guys that Vince or WWE created character wise. They got the push. Ric Flair, was probably the only guy not a WWE pushed so hard, but it could be argued it was a case to build him up to eventually feed him to Hogan.

If Vince wasnt so hell bent on WWE "creating" these stars, WWE could be a better place today.
Ambrose is a star and they should of pulled the trigger on him after The initial Shield spilt and not Roman.

Ziggler , like someone said, isn’t a top guy and while he had plenty of close brushes with being fairly over, he’s not got the tools to be the no1 heel or no1 face. I just don’t see it anymore and I think WWE were right not to push the guy to the moon.

Barrett : One one side I don’t know why Vince didn’t strap a Rocket to him. Hes a big guy, handy enough in the ring and hes got a look Vince would normally go for. But Im glad he didn’t, he just hasn’t got it. He never blew me away in the ring, his characters, while over to a degree, were never main event characters. Never did it for me.

Drew Galloway : Too young when he was being pushed and has improved greatly away from WWE. He wasn’t ready for it then but had not signed for WWE then and was tearing up the indys like he has been, then he would be a big player in NXT or would be at least.

Ryback : No. They shouldn’t have booked him to be in the ring with punk that early but once he was defeated, which would of happened eventually if it wasn’t to Punk, his lack of ring skills and mic skills would be there for all to see. He was never the guy and Im glad WWE agreed.

Dusty : Was undervalued but you have to remember he was past his prime when he went to WWF and if I remember the Polka Dots was his idea. But yeah, he could have been used better but his best years were already behind him.

Bray Wyatt is a ball dropped. He is a fantastic talent that is being wasted or pushed very lazily. He can cut promos very well and he can work in the ring well for a heavy fella. Pity his character is so stale.

Moneymaker

ADR is a recent one that really stands out. Gets fired, does some absolutely awesome work as Alberto El Patron, they bring him back. Crowd goes nuts and he beats John Cena clean as a sheet.

What do they do? Make him a heel and do this hideously awful angle and instantly, no one cares about him.

Kane, Test, Big Show, Shelton Benjamin, Rikishi, Christian, William Regal, Vader, MVP. I could go on and on.

beakerjoe

Moneymaker wrote: »

ADR is a recent one that really stands out. Gets fired, does some absolutely awesome work as Alberto El Patron, they bring him back. Crowd goes nuts and he beats John Cena clean as a sheet.

What do they do? Make him a heel and do this hideously awful angle and instantly, no one cares about him.

Kane, Test, Big Show, Shelton Benjamin, Rikishi, Christian, William Regal, Vader, MVP. I could go on and on.

I wouldnt class any of these guys as main events, but they could have been so much more than they were( excpet Vader, he was main event material. )

Del Rio was a waste. A huge waste. they had nothing for him and just wanted a latin guy to tick the boxes on tours. The whole Zeb story was logic defying nonsense.

johnnyryan89

Could add Rusev to this list, built him up as this unstoppable machine and then went on a three match losing streak against Cena at WM31, Extreme Rules and Payback after his win against Cena at Fastlane and he's just went downhill after that.

What about Randy Orton's first run as WWE champion, beats Benoit to become the youngest world champion and it was perfectly set up for them to have Evolution stay together and business as usual and after a couple of months then have Triple H and Orton feud after some leadership issues but they botched that up by turning on him not even 24hrs later and had him drop the belt after only a month.

gnfnrhead

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

Could add Rusev to this list, built him up as this unstoppable machine and then went on a three match losing streak against Cena at WM31, Extreme Rules and Payback after his win against Cena at Fastlane and he's just went downhill after that.

What about Randy Orton's first run as WWE champion, beats Benoit to become the youngest world champion and it was perfectly set up for them to have Evolution stay together and business as usual and after a couple of months then have Triple H and Orton feud after some leadership issues but they botched that up by turning on him not even 24hrs later and had him drop the belt after only a month.

I believe Orton was just WWE being petty. It came not long after Lesnar had walked out. Giving Orton the title took away the Youngest Champion tag line from Lesnar and put it on someone they were hoping would be a big star in future. Orton was nowhere near ready but WWE are well known for their pettiness.

Blue_Dabadee

Nexus storyline. It was alright for the first couple of weeks before they lost at SummerSlam which ultimately killed their credibility as a stable.

Also some of them were still green and weren't ready for main roster.

ShagNastii

Blue_Dabadee wrote: »

Nexus storyline. It was alright for the first couple of weeks before they lost at SummerSlam which ultimately killed their credibility as a stable.

Also some of them were still green and weren't ready for main roster.

The ball drop of Wade Barrett and Nexus go hand in hand. The Nexus were fantastic from the get go. It was the NWO take two and I personally thought it was exciting as hell.

You would underestimate just how good Barrett was at the time. He looked like a million bucks and was a wholly credible threat to the mighty John Cena. Main event standard by a mile.

It went the way of so many guys. They were not let "kill" the Ce-Nation. I'm not one to crib about Cena not giving somebody a real rub but if you'd have let Wade/NXT destroy Cena (on a big PPV) you would have had yourselves a megastar. I'd almost echo the same for Bray Wyatt.

Lord TSC

Am still salty bout Cena no selling the DDT on concrete, only to pin two guys in quick succession.

Turtyturd

The two weeks of Punk gets mentioned a lot, but I would put the fault at both his feet and at WWE's.

Owens is one for me. Great debut win over Cena but you just knew there was only going to be one person coming out on top of the feud.

I know it has been talked about a lot over the years but the invasion storyline still remains such a load of ****.

Turning it into another McMahon vs McMahon storyline that had been off and on for the past 2 years

Stephanie as ECW owner

Not getting 1 big WCW name in

Austin leading wcw/ecw

The very next year (even the end of 2001 with Flair) the likes of the NWO, Bischoff and Steiner came in and there was also a brand split. This was when it should have been done. NWO and Bischoff alone would have been fine. I know they had contracts that meant they could sit at home so thats why I think they should have waited till 2002.

Brutal stuff and probably the biggest missed oppertunity in WWE history.

gnfnrhead

Deleted User wrote: »

I know it has been talked about a lot over the years but the invasion storyline still remains such a load of ****.

Turning it into another McMahon vs McMahon storyline that had been off and on for the past 2 years

Stephanie as ECW owner

Not getting 1 big WCW name in

Austin leading wcw/ecw

The very next year (even the end of 2001 with Flair) the likes of the NWO, Bischoff and Steiner came in and there was also a brand split. This was when it should have been done. NWO and Bischoff alone would have been fine. I know they had contracts that meant they could sit at home so thats why I think they should have waited till 2002.

Brutal stuff and probably the biggest missed oppertunity in WWE history.

Vince wasn't willing to let WCW look like a threat to his guys. That's why the biggest star was probably Booker T. DDP was wasted from the second he was signed and nobody else really came close to those two from the WCW side. If the roles were reversed, WWF would have invaded WCW being led by Jericho and Big Show while Austin, Angle, Rock, Triple H and Undertaker sat at home. That's never going to work but they pushed ahead anyway.

No reason Vince couldn't have left WCW to do its thing as a separate brand until the nWo became available. If the WCW brand is a success, leave it be. If not, then do a hostile invasion where they try to take over again but this time with the support of WCW.