First gaming PC

Herlihy777

I am making my first gaming pc budget around €700 it will be used for gaming and internet if anyone can help me find parts that would be appreciated

Digital Solitude

i5 6400 €170
Z170 board €90
R9 380 €180
1tb HDD €50
8gb RAM €50
500W PSU €50
Case €50
250gb SSD €70
Total €710

Herlihy777

what sort of games could run on those specs

tuxy

All the newest games on high setting at 1080p

Herlihy777

what fps?

Digital Solitude

Essentially. Best you're going to do for any console or PC running new parts. And 60fps obviously *scoff*

It'll be a solid machine, should do 3-4 years without upgrades if you're not a graphics whore



How do you feel about over clocking?

Herlihy777

i sent u a request digital

Digital Solitude

PM? Keep all on thread, there's several lads around here know a lot more than I do, you'll miss out on their opinions

Herlihy777

if u know anything else i might need if u said that would be appreciated

Digital Solitude

Are you interested in over clocking?

Herlihy777

dont know what that is

Digital Solitude

Grand, its not worth explaining IMO.

Change the Z170 board in my post for a H110 or H170 and the CPU from an i5 6400 to an i5 6500

Geizhals.eu is useful for picking parts, just narrow it down in hardware until you he a part chosen., it gives you a list of shops too, convenient to get all or most from one place. Mindfactoly.de is pretty cheap.

If you need any more help ask away

Herlihy777

i have added u on steam look at ur friend requests

tuxy

Be sure to get the correct memory for the motherboard. Many H110 and some H170 boards use DDR3. I'd recommend going for a board with DDR4.

Herlihy777

thanks!

Herlihy777

someone recomended me a Asus-Nvidia-GeForce-GTX`-750 for a graphics card would u think thats a good idea

Digital Solitude

It's a good card, not close to the 380 I recommend

Herlihy777

so the pther card would be better?

grindle

Herlihy777 wrote: »

so the pther card would be better?

Much better.

Herlihy777

any other graphics cards u would recomend

Digital Solitude

Loads, but at your budget the 2gb 380 is the best card really

Eoinmc97

OP, I recommend looking up gaming benchmarks for the R9 380 and other graphics cards. These will tell you how the cards perform.
Likewise, look up some info on building PCs and comouter hardware. Whilst the people here are very helpful, this newfound knowledge will benefit you in the long run, and you can cut out questions early on, and ask us any 'hard' questions.
In terms of your budget, the 380 is the best you will get, unless you want to stretch the budget an extra €30 and get a 380X, which is a slightly beefier card.

Wright

Eoinmc97 wrote: »

stretch the budget an extra €30 and get a 380X, which is a slightly beefier card.

Dunno if that's happening within 700.

But I do recommend going for a 4GB card if you can stretch it. A 4GB 380 non-x would do fine IMO.

Herlihy777

i'd say i could extend the budget a bit

Digital Solitude

Going to 750 will net a 4gb 380

Going to 800 will net a 4gb 380X

Going to 900 will net an 8gb 390

Depends how much you want to add really

Herlihy777

prob 750 i can always change at later date if i want

Wright

I'd go for a 380 non-X. It's a bigger jump from a 960 to a 380 than it is a 380 to a 380X. 380 will do ye grand. Make sure its 4GB though. That's the new mandatory minimum IMO.

Eoinmc97

4GB is indeed an almost necessity now, as console ports seem to hog their VRAM and next gen engines like UE4 seem to be very heavy on 2GB cards. However, you can always notch down AA if you need to, as your gpu gets older and or games get even more demanding.
About the 380X, you could fit it in 750, as follows. It's a nifty card for shading intensive games, and offers a decent 8-15% overclock that will see you jump about 8FPS ahead of the 380, which usually scores 5-8 FPS above a 960.
Core i5 6400: €180
Phanteks Evolv ITX or other €70 case
Any DRR4 supporting motherboard: €90-€100 (the PC MATE from MSI is a good non-K overclocker apprantly, don't have one to test however)
R9 380X: €230 (Sapphire's is €232 and is a solid brand)
8GB DDR4 RAM: €50
500W PSU: €60-€65 (any higher are too expensive IMO for the wattage)
1 TB HDD: €45

Scrap that build if you need peripherals or windows keys etc. because that hits €710 +- €15 for price variation.

Digital Solitude

i5 6500 €200
Case €50
DDR4 motherboard €70
8gb DDR4 RAM €50
R9 380X €230
500w PSU €60
1tb HDD €50
240gb SSD €60
Total 770

Should come closer to 750 with individual parts

a 4gb 380 is about 200 if you need to shed a few euro

*edit* OP asked me to repost a final build, hence why it's essentially identical Eoin :pac:

Wright

Digital Solitude wrote: »

DDR4 motherboard €70

Where are we getting these numbers from?

When did we stop providing links to actual products in our build recommendations?

Eoinmc97

Wright wrote: »

Where are we getting these numbers from?

When did we stop providing links to actual products in our build recommendations?

Because the OP came to look for guidance. Assuming they are capable human beings, woth dignity and pride, they can scout around and look at parts themselves. We merely provide estimates and guidance.
Providing links when not at a desktop/laptop is tedious. Forums such as the LTT, XDA and others don't do hand-holding. Why would Boards? Especially when DS has helped MANY users here.

Digital Solitude

Wright wrote: »

Where are we getting these numbers from?

When did we stop providing links to actual products in our build recommendations?

Quick look at geizhals. Whats wrong with the numbers?

I only do when I'm arsed, which I'm normally not. Feel free to post the links if you want, given you don't post here often I'm not sure where the we is coming from.

Wright

Digital Solitude wrote: »

I only do when I'm arsed, which I'm normally not. Feel free to post the links if you want, given you don't post here often I'm not sure where the we is coming from.

You're better off not bother at all then IMO.

I've been taking the time to put (proper) builds together here for people for a long time, that's all I'll say about that , but the calibre of posters on here generally has me taking long breaks for my own sanity (which you're demonstrating very well). That's who the 'we' are, dearie. (like its an exclusive club lol)

Having said that, stop trying to change the subject. You can't even be arsed not being arsed! Just don't post if you're not arsed.

OP:
Motherboard- http://www.amazon.es/Gigabyte-Z170-HD3P-Placa-chipset-Express/dp/B013E37FW0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1457394528&sr=8-1&keywords=z170 A Z-board for a cpu that doesn't overclock but doesn't matter much. If you were going to extend the budget for any component anyway, I'd put it into a 6600K. Pairing that with a 380 and you'll be away; that's what I'm rocking atm (well, I have the x variant).

CPU- http://www.amazon.es/Intel-I5-6400-Procesador-Processor/dp/B010T6CG7E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1457394688&sr=8-1&keywords=6400 (or 6600K, if you can push it)

Cooler- http://www.amazon.co.uk/Noctua-NH-C12P-SE14-CPU-Cooler/dp/B002W81KTI/ref=sr_1_8?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1457395527&sr=1-8&keywords=noctua

This is what I use, 10 quid expensive than the Hyper 212 evo but the evo is hard to install and the temps on this cooler are a bit better.

GPU- http://www.amazon.es/Sapphire-tarjeta-gr%C3%A1fica-Express-pantalla/dp/B016EY8JMG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1457394759&sr=8-1&keywords=380

RAM- http://www.amazon.es/HyperX-Savage-HX426C13SBK2-Memoria-DDR4/dp/B0151PXA82/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1457394829&sr=8-15&keywords=ddr4+3000mhz

SSD- http://www.amazon.es/SanDisk-SSD-Plus-interno-lectura/dp/B00S9Q9UKS/ref=sr_1_4?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1457394901&sr=1-4&keywords=ssd

HDD- http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hitachi-HTS721010A9E630-Travelstar-7K1000-Internal/dp/B00B4QESVQ/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1457395169&sr=8-14&keywords=7200rpm

Power supply- http://www.amazon.co.uk/EVGA-600-Power-Supply-Unit/dp/B01127D0MY/ref=sr_1_3?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1457395294&sr=1-3&keywords=psu

is what I recommend, that's about 700, plus the cheapest case you can find. The UK/spanish amazon is your best bet here, pick one for an aesthetic you'd be happy with. For a power supply, make sure its rated 80plus. The one I listed is 80plus silver and pretty much the same price as Corsair's 80plus bronze; 100W extra but sure no harm.

If you have any other questions ask away

Orion

Wright wrote: »

You're better off not bother at all then IMO.

I've been taking the time to put (proper) builds together here for people for a long time, that's all I'll say about that , but the calibre of posters on here generally has me taking long breaks for my own sanity (which you're demonstrating very well). That's who the 'we' are, dearie. (like its an exclusive club lol)

Having said that, stop trying to change the subject. You can't even be arsed not being arsed! Just don't post if you're not arsed.

IMO you're the one being the arse. DS answered the OP inside 30 mins with a full spec within budget. If someone wants to build a PC then they should be able to use some cop on to source the parts. If they can't then they should just buy a pre-made PC. I only searched for one item on your list and already found a cheaper alternative to Amazon. I actually came here with a similar budget and DS's first response was an immediate help. For everyone's sanity dearie (lol) maybe change your posting style and be constructive instead of being a dick.

Wright

"I only searched for one item on your list and already found a cheaper alternative to Amazon."- Link, by all means.

We used to provide full builds with links. And yes, making comments like 'who is we' is 'being the arse'.

Not that I said that, my post was not hostile in anyway, only one displaying that is DS.

Wright wrote: »

Where are we getting these numbers from?

When did we stop providing links to actual products in our build recommendations?

To which the reply was

Digital Solitude wrote: »

I only do when I'm arsed, which I'm normally not. Feel free to post the links if you want, given you don't post here often I'm not sure where the we is coming from.

I could've joined up yesterday, and that fact would be as irrelevant when it comes to me knowing for years we actually did 'bother'.

Also, "they should be able to use some cop on to source the parts", is a terrible argument. When it was my first time building, I didn't know my arse from my elbow and lots here gave me very useful advice and links too. This is only a recent development, not bothering to provide links.

" For everyone's sanity dearie (lol) maybe change your posting style and be constructive instead of being a dick."- Maybe the problem with you not seeing the problem with DS' posting style, is that you are what you're accusing me of being. Post reported.

The reason we posts links folks, is that someone may be pushing a component or direction of a build when they shouldn't be, and they're BSing on price to make it look attractive.

Eoinmc97 wrote: »

Forums such as the LTT, XDA and others don't do hand-holding. Why would Boards? Especially when DS has helped MANY users here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc Any newbie requests here are met with full builds, several suggestions with links to boot. I refuse to believe if you follow pc building at all, that you've never come across this subreddit. Example https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/49dbn9/800_gaming_pc_build/

You had to be so selective you literally included XDA, a mobile/android forum (a forum known for how unpleasant its posting base are).

Orion

Report away. I personally find your post offensive rather than constructive. That's what I meant by "being a dick" - first rule of boards. If you'd just posted your links without being abusive to DS that would not have been a dick post. But you didn't.

I say again - I found his post very helpful and nearly within my budget (which also needs a new monitor). And I'm happy to shop around to find the best prices for individual parts. As should everyone. There are posts here and in the C&T where the OP first posted this linking to different shops. Prices change regularly and shopping around is recommended. I've pretty much found a spec that I'm happy with in between this post and my last and a lot of it is based on the first response. Tomorrow I'll price individual parts from different shops and get the best deal I can get. That's what i'm talking about.

Orion

Wright wrote: »

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc Any newbie requests here are met with full builds, several suggestions with links to boot. I refuse to believe if you follow pc building at all, that you've never come across this subreddit. Example https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/49dbn9/800_gaming_pc_build/

You keep editing your post so it's hard to give a single answer. Believe it or not not everyone uses reddit. I don't like it at all even for topics that I and passionate about. You can refuse to believe that all you want.

[edit] (see what I did there ) That said - thanks for the tip - I'll have a look at that sub

Wright

Orion wrote: »

Report away. I personally find your post offensive rather than constructive.

Wright wrote: »

Where are we getting these numbers from?

When did we stop providing links to actual products in our build recommendations?

This is offensive? Ah pet. EDIT!!!! Speaking of which, I remember we even used to provide build in tables lol. Shame how people can get so lazy.

I edit posts because double posting is frowned upon. :cool: Basic forum etiquette.

EDIT!!!!- You still haven't provided a link for the component you found for cheaper. By all means, help OP out.

Orion

Actually no - editing posts to change content is frowned upon more than additional posts which add content. That's basic forum etiquette. Trust me on this - I've been around forums a lot longer than you have.

As for the price - the CPU i think it was was about a fiver cheaper from Mindfactory.

Don't get me wrong pet - you've given good advice and links. It's your delivery and attitude that's seriously lacking.

Wright

Orion wrote: »

Actually no - editing posts to change content is frowned upon more than additional posts which add content. That's basic forum etiquette. Trust me on this - I've been around forums a lot longer than you have.

100% untrue. On all counts.

Also I showed there was nothing wrong with the delivery of my OP. Two questions. DS came in with a 'and who are you' tone which brought us here. It's not on me.

EDIT!!!!- Good luck OP, those parts I linked are your best bet. Mindfactory is not actually much cheaper, and its best to have amazon on your side if a part arrives dead/damaged. I ran the search for the 6400; on mindfactory, 176; http://www.mindfactory.de/search_result.php?search_query=6400&x=0&y=0 On amazon, 178 http://www.amazon.es/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?__mk_es_ES=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=6400 not even a fiver. Although, the 380 seems to be a bit cheaper there, so maybe explore that Not sure they take conventional payment methods though, that'd be a big'un. I remember hardwareversand didn't, not sure about the new kids on the block.

Good luck OP.

tuxy

I think people are reluctant to recommend actual links to sites after so many people got burnt with hardwareversand. The option is cheap German sites or safe reliable but pricey Amazon.

Not my place to say this as I'm not mod but can you please bring this "discussion" to the off topic thread, I wouldn't blame the OP if he decides to seek advice elsewhere after all this crap.

Wright

tuxy wrote: »

I think people are reluctant to recommend actual links to sites after so many people got burnt with hardwareversand. The option is cheap German sites or safe reliable but pricey Amazon.

?? mindfactory is far more likely to disappear overnight than amazon, amazon links are pretty ironclad, IMO.

I agree with you on your other assertion.

Orion

Wright wrote: »

100% untrue. On all counts.

In your opinion. But sure kids like you are always right. Anyway goodnight. thanks for the links. Pity about the arrogance that came with them.

Eoinmc97

posters on here generally has me taking long breaks for my own sanity

Perhaps a longer break is due then ;p

I refuse to believe if you follow pc building at all, that you've never come across this subreddit

have, but Buildapc is quicker to delve into AMD VS NVIDIA VS INTEL than here, so I refrain from putting people there, (unless I find a similar thread to the OPs.) Plus the Reddit is predominantly American and/or East Europe, with prices varying. Also, the amount of "Check it on Newegg" would render you bankrupt here XD

Solitaire

Wright wrote: »

the calibre of posters on here generally has me taking long breaks for my own sanity

I can arrange for you to take a long break for our sanity, if you continue behaving like this. Being helpful is good, no reason for anyone to gainsay you for that.... and no reason for you to break out the righteous indignation and vitriol because you feel that the forum failed to "help enough, fast enough". Its a little extreme to feel that way about the thread, and even if you did, all you'd need to do to fix it is provide what you think is an appropriate level of assistance. There is absolutely no need to add personal attacks and disparaging comments - all it is doing is turning your helpful posts into decidedly unhelpful ones.

That said, it cuts both ways... Orion, really? Needling Wright is hardly going to make the situation better is it? Responding to attacks on you or other users by quarreling with the attacker is simply falling into their trap and leaving yourself open to moderation when you could have just reported the attack instead. No need to allow them to wind you up, or attempt to wind them up either.

In any case, let's calm down and get on with helping the OP please. I do not want to see any more verbal sparring dragging the thread even further off-topic.

Herlihy777

so is Wrights specs the final? you guys are kinda arguing and im a bit confused what you are recomending

Digital Solitude

Wright's is primarily links to the last builds me and Eoin posted, so yeah take it as final

The arguing was about me and shouldn't have happened on this thread, it's pretty irrelevant to you.

Herlihy777

are those links the cheapest or would you recomend any other sites to purchase these parts?

grindle

mindfactory.de will be cheaper, but get the case from amazon.

Eoinmc97

Alternative to Amazon is Scan.co.uk which offers a good selection also.
You could also try OverclockersUK for cases etc.

Herlihy777

will those specs support over clocking?