Election poster cable ties

Kevincavan83

Is anyone else having trouble with these cable ties.

I ripped the Sh!t out of my front tyre,
Couldn't go around them as car was passing too close.
Surely it's littering by not picking them up?
You got to love our governmental representatives

crosstownk

I went for a spin on Sunday and I was dodging those things along the Tallaght Bypass.

Today on my spins to and from work I encountered more of them. I had no option but to ride over some of them but thankfully my half worn Pro 4s suffered no damage.

It seems to me that somebody went to the bother of cutting the cable tie to remove the election poster but couldn't be arsed picking up the tie.

Wishbone Ash

A good few years back, I asked a public representative about cable ties remaining on lamp posts after the posters were removed (as it bugged me). He said that, although the posters are put up by party members and supporters, when the 7 day removal rule came in, they resorted to paying people to remove them in order to give their supporters a break, as many had taken time off work in the run up to the election campaign and would find it difficult to get more time off to remove posters within 7 days.

He said that it was much more difficult to 'police' these people as they were not particularly interested in environmental matters but more interested in earning a bit of extra cash. I got the distinct impression that these 'removers' were paid for the numbers of posters they returned to base - hence their eagerness to move swiftly along and not get too pre-occupied with the disposal of cable ties.

eeeee

Just noticed this today, really irritating. There are clumps of them at the bottom of lamp posts and poles or on the ground at the bottom of them. It's definitely littering leaving them there is it not?

Wishbone Ash

gadetra wrote: »

... It's definitely littering leaving them there is it not?

Yup! ....but how do you identify the culprits?

There was a proposal a few years back that cable ties be colour co-ordinated so that they could be associated with a particular party but it didn't seem to get any traction.

eeeee

Fine them all! :pac:

Borderfox

07Lapierre

And I'm sure all the political parties employed companies to erect/ remove their posters? Surely they wouldn't encourage the black economy by paying people cash (brown envelopes)?

07Lapierre

gadetra wrote: »

Fine them all! :pac:

Someone should invent some kind of electronic communication whereby all political parties could promote themselves "online". Thereby removing the need for posters in the first place.!!!

De Bhál

Plastic cable ties wouldn't damage tyres, would they?

07Lapierre

De Bhál wrote: »

Plastic cable ties wouldn't damage tyres, would they?

Yes they can..especially if they are cut, as the edges can be very sharp.

eeeee

07Lapierre wrote: »

And I'm sure all the political parties employed companies to erect/ remove their posters? Surely they wouldn't encourage the black economy by paying people cash (brown envelopes)?

I read an article that stated a north Dublin td employed refugee workers to put up his posters for less than the minimum wage (he paid them cash in hand, €6 per hour). I think they have bigger worries than the environment. Can't find that article now. He should be hauled over the coals for it. Strange how hushed up it was, like it was normal...(he was caught doing the same thing during the last election too).

I say fine all the politicians that put up posters anywhere-they all either have to get their acts together and sort it out (and pay their workers fairly most importantly!).

Harrybelafonte

Learn to bunnyhop

Luxman

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

Learn to bunnyhop

without using cleats. Old skool😜

Fian

at the very least they could make the cable ties high-vis so it would be easier to see them when they litter the ground...

07Lapierre

Fian wrote: »

at the very least they could make the cable ties high-vis so it would be easier to see them when they litter the ground...

No.... They could just dispose of them correctly instead of leaving them for someone else to deal with!

alentejo

Cycled over one of these this morning on the Kimmage Road. Front tyre shredded. Off to buy a replacement Marathon Plus at lunch time.

manwithaplan

I saw a guy removing posters the other day and he seemed to be taking them all, regardless of party. I was wondering if candidates sometimes agree on one provider to do the whole job and then pay them per poster returned to each candidate. If they did that, it shouldn't be beyond them to insist the cable ties are picked up too.

Not a huge issue in the grand scheme of things though.

RainyDay

07Lapierre wrote: »

Someone should invent some kind of electronic communication whereby all political parties could promote themselves "online". Thereby removing the need for posters in the first place.!!!

No posters gives a definite advantage to incumbent candidates over new candidates. We all hate posters, they look terrible, and they are a crappy, dangerous job for (usually) volunteers to put up and take down. But like most advertising, they have an impact.

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

A good few years back, I asked a public representative about cable ties remaining on lamp posts after the posters were removed (as it bugged me). He said that, although the posters are put up by party members and supporters, when the 7 day removal rule came in, they resorted to paying people to remove them in order to give their supporters a break, as many had taken time off work in the run up to the election campaign and would find it difficult to get more time off to remove posters within 7 days.

He said that it was much more difficult to 'police' these people as they were not particularly interested in environmental matters but more interested in earning a bit of extra cash. I got the distinct impression that these 'removers' were paid for the numbers of posters they returned to base - hence their eagerness to move swiftly along and not get too pre-occupied with the disposal of cable ties.

There is a mix of volunteers and paid workers putting posters up and taking them down. In most cases, the paid crews are paid a piece rate - per poster - going up and down, so they are less likely to be tidy, but it should really be part of the job.

manwithaplan wrote: »

I saw a guy removing posters the other day and he seemed to be taking them all, regardless of party. I was wondering if candidates sometimes agree on one provider to do the whole job and then pay them per poster returned to each candidate. If they did that, it shouldn't be beyond them to insist the cable ties are picked up too.

Not a huge issue in the grand scheme of things though.

I know of volunteers who take pride in 'stripping a pole' - removing all ties regardless of whose they are, and disposing of them properly.

I picked up about 4 ties while walking through D.4 today and dropped them in the nearest wheelie bin - every little helps.

Kaisr Sose

The countryside is awash with cable ties dumped, dropped , discarded etc. Plus there are the ones not removed.

This is blatant littering. I am at a loss as to how they are still allowed put them up. They often place them in locations where no permanent advertising hoarding would be allowed for safety reasons.

The people that put up and take down posters don't do it for free. I wonder how much of it is cash in hand stuff? Our great old political machine seems to be quite able to turn a blind eye to everything in the cause of getting into office/power and then vow to curb tax evasion, enforce planning laws, reform local Govt, improve the Environment etc etc. If it was not so serious it would be laughable!!

I suggested to one party that if posters were a necessary evil, the cable ties should be branded/coded so that each party could have their own ties and be held accountable for those that are never removed/dropped. They thought it was a great idea and like all great ideas proposed to our politicians, nothing happens with them!

RainyDay

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

The people that put up and take down posters don't do it for free.

Lots of them do it for free. Every candidate has people around them who build up real expertise in this over the years. It is a dirty, dangerous job, often done in bad light and bad weather, into the early hours or even all-nighters when the election is announced. There is a real 'race' to get the posters up at key locations before the competition.

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

I wonder how much of it is cash in hand stuff?

There are paid crews too, and 'paid volunteers' - whatever that means

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/election-worker-settles-action-for-damages-against-labour-party-over-postering-fall-1.2146300

CramCycle

Egg on my face, I really thought it wasn't that bad, I realise my folly as I sit here with a flat front tyre.

Kaisr Sose

CramCycle wrote: »

Egg on my face, I really thought it wasn't that bad, I realise my folly as I sit here with a flat front tyre.

That's bad luck. Didn't you realise that the cycling forum is renowned for the quality of its 'special reporting' 😀

Things are everywhere, out to Enniskerry, Blessington, all the way into town (multiple routes)

#Scourge!

NiallBoo

RainyDay wrote: »

In most cases, the paid crews are paid a piece rate - per poster - going up and down, so they are less likely to be tidy, but it should really be part of the job.

An obvious solution is to only pay them per full set of election poster AND cable-ties.

CramCycle

NiallBoo wrote: »

An obvious solution is to only pay them per full set of election poster AND cable-ties.

You are then relying on the person who they are returning the poster to, to count or care.

Colour coding per party as was suggested and then initials for independents, littering fine for every tie after the election on the ground. They could also be inspeccted when up and similar fines for littering issued as they shoudl not be up with out the colour coding or initials.

RainyDay

NiallBoo wrote: »

An obvious solution is to only pay them per full set of election poster AND cable-ties.

You'd spend more time counting cable ties, and fragments of cable ties. Some poles require 2 or 3 ties strapped together. Not workable really.

CramCycle wrote: »

Colour coding per party as was suggested and then initials for independents, littering fine for every tie after the election on the ground. They could also be inspeccted when up and similar fines for littering issued as they shoudl not be up with out the colour coding or initials.

The ties are transparent for a reason, so that when they are strap goes through the nice man's forehead or neck or white shirt, they aren't visible to the punter at the bottom. You can't always plan for where exactly on the poster the ties will go. It depends on the size of the pole and the number of other posters up before you. I'm not sure if you could do colour coding without the ties turning into a distraction or disfigurement on the poster.

jive

Is there a reason why the election posters aren't put on a board somewhere? I know in mainland Europe many places just have a board with some A4 sized sheets stuck on for each candidate, if you want to see the candidates you just walk up to the thing and have a look.

I'm sure there could be a middle ground in which billboards could be used as well. The wastage and safety issues associated with hanging 10 posters on a pole is so archaic.

07Lapierre

CramCycle wrote: »

You are then relying on the person who they are returning the poster to, to count or care.

Colour coding per party as was suggested and then initials for independents, littering fine for every tie after the election on the ground. They could also be inspeccted when up and similar fines for littering issued as they shoudl not be up with out the colour coding or initials.

RainyDay wrote: »

You'd spend more time counting cable ties, and fragments of cable ties. Some poles require 2 or 3 ties strapped together. Not workable really.



The ties are transparent for a reason, so that when they are strap goes through the nice man's forehead or neck or white shirt, they aren't visible to the punter at the bottom. You can't always plan for where exactly on the poster the ties will go. It depends on the size of the pole and the number of other posters up before you. I'm not sure if you could do colour coding without the ties turning into a distraction or disfigurement on the poster.

Look..the obvious answer is to ban election posters..simple. There are plenty of alternatives....TV, Radio, Internet, Newspapers, Billboards, Advertising on Buses, trains, taxi's. The list is endless! there's simply no justification for them.

RainyDay

07Lapierre wrote: »

Look..the obvious answer is to ban election posters..simple. There are plenty of alternatives....TV, Radio, Internet, Newspapers, Billboards, Advertising on Buses, trains, taxi's. The list is endless! there's simply no justification for them.

All of media that you mention are expensive, some of them incredibly expensive.

So have a think about whether you want our elections to go further down the road of the US, where someone like Trump can basically buy the election result he wants.

Carawaystick

A New tyre is expensive. the election posters are only cheap because of the subsidy of allowing the public realm for political advertising.

In France, each candidate gets an A1 size stand outside the Marie to put up their election bumpf.

07Lapierre

RainyDay wrote: »

All of media that you mention are expensive, some of them incredibly expensive.

So have a think about whether you want our elections to go further down the road of the US, where someone like Trump can basically buy the election result he wants.

Printing posters is not exactly cheap either. At the moment if you have the money, you can print 3 or 4 times more posters than someone with a smaller budget, which is probably why there are so many if them. No ban them.

CramCycle

07Lapierre wrote: »

Look..the obvious answer is to ban election posters..simple. There are plenty of alternatives....TV, Radio, Internet, Newspapers, Billboards, Advertising on Buses, trains, taxi's. The list is endless! there's simply no justification for them.

RainyDay wrote: »

All of media that you mention are expensive, some of them incredibly expensive.

So have a think about whether you want our elections to go further down the road of the US, where someone like Trump can basically buy the election result he wants.

Set a budget per candidate, insist state broadcasters and local broadcasters give an equal amount of time to all candidates as part of their license. Internet advertising can be far cheaper if done well.

07Lapierre

CramCycle wrote: »

Set a budget per candidate, insist state broadcasters and local broadcasters give an equal amount of time to all candidates as part of their license. Internet advertising can be far cheaper if done well.

Is that not already in place? not sure if its linked to the license, but I thought all broadcasters had to give equal airtime to all political parties?

NiallBoo

RainyDay wrote: »

You'd spend more time counting cable ties, and fragments of cable ties. Some poles require 2 or 3 ties strapped together.

It would increase the cost that politicians have to pay, but would represent the full cost of using posters.
- instead of now where they don't pay the full cost of removal and it falls onto the taxpayers instead.

Kaisr Sose

jive wrote: »

Is there a reason why the election posters aren't put on a board somewhere? I know in mainland Europe many places just have a board with some A4 sized sheets stuck on for each candidate, if you want to see the candidates you just walk up to the thing and have a look.

That's the Swiss way...and they vote very often. They are placed a specific corners and locations eg. A tram stop.

Guess what....it works! But nah, it would not work here because of all the usual stupid bs reasons people come up with when it suits their agenda!

Kaisr Sose

RainyDay wrote: »

All of media that you mention are expensive, some of them incredibly expensive.

So have a think about whether you want our elections to go further down the road of the US, where someone like Trump can basically buy the election result he wants.

That's a totally different point. In America it's always been about buying your popularity. It does not have to be here. If every candidate got equal space on a communal hoarding what would the disadvantage be to that? It's also easy to control as posters affixed by a central body and there are no cable ties to spoil someone's beautifully photoshopped image/pearly whites!!

Caps could also be placed on media spend (TV /Radio etc) but I would settle for no posters on every lamppost in an urban area for a start! Us cyclists get about a bit and I for one was stunned at the number from M50 roundabout to Spawell roundabout. It was seriously OTT and I doubt it influenced one voter!

crosstownk

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

and I for one was stunned at the number from M50 roundabout to Spawell roundabout. It was seriously OTT and I doubt it influenced one voter!

Somebody texted Ryan Tubridy's radio show to say that they counted over 200 posters on that section of road. That was only 3 or 4 days into the campaign. I imagine the number rose as the days rolled on.

I don't think that we'll see a ban on posters anytime soon but I do think a limit per candidate would help - e.g. 1 poster per candidate every 200m in urban areas increasing to maybe one every 500m in more rural areas. That would still be a lot of posters but substantially less than what we had during the recent election campaign.

roverrules

Could just ban all the independents, Dublin SW had 21 candidates putting up posters.

RainyDay

Carawaystick wrote: »

the election posters are only cheap because of the subsidy of allowing the public realm for political advertising.

That is true.

07Lapierre wrote: »

Printing posters is not exactly cheap either. At the moment if you have the money, you can print 3 or 4 times more posters than someone with a smaller budget, which is probably why there are so many if them. No ban them.

A campaign team might pay something like €4k for 1000 posters (mix of large and small) plus cable ties. The posters can only go up within the campaign period, so the full cost of the posters is part of the capped election spend.

If someone prints 3 or 4 times more posters, they are going to have to cut back on other campaign spending dramatically.

Other advertising, such as bus shelter or billboards or local press can be done at anytime. If it is done before the election is called, this doesn't form part of the capped election spend.

CramCycle wrote: »

Internet advertising can be far cheaper if done well.

Last time I looked at FB advertising, geographical targeting was very limited - basically "Dublin" was the smallest area I could choose, which is completely useless for an election spend. Has this changed?

NiallBoo wrote: »

It would increase the cost that politicians have to pay, but would represent the full cost of using posters.
- instead of now where they don't pay the full cost of removal and it falls onto the taxpayers instead.

Actually, the cost doesn't really fall on the taxpayer, because no-one bothers their arse to clean them up. But counting of cable ties is completely impractical and ineffective.

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

That's the Swiss way...and they vote very often. They are placed a specific corners and locations eg. A tram stop.

Guess what....it works!

What's your definition of 'it works'? Do they have the same levels of turnover of candidates as here, or do they favour incumbents?

crosstownk wrote: »

I don't think that we'll see a ban on posters anytime soon but I do think a limit per candidate would help - e.g. 1 poster per candidate every 200m in urban areas increasing to maybe one every 500m in more rural areas. That would still be a lot of posters but substantially less than what we had during the recent election campaign.

That might be a more practical option - or just limit each candidate to x posters, and let them choose where to put them.

Kaisr Sose

Independents are the only hope we have to have posters banned/severely limited. As they say 'Turkey's would not vote for Christmas' so Main stream parties are not going to sponsor anything that negates their considerable € advantage over independents at election time.

ckeego

Couple of points on this..
1. Given the level of homelessness in Ireland at present it is galling to imagine how much these posters and campaigns cost and how that money would be better spent elsewhere...Hundreds of these posters in our neighbourhood including dozens at roundabouts which I'm pretty certain is a road safety distraction

2. The posters when they fall down are an even bigger hazard-your wheel really takes a slide if you come in contact with them

3. It really pisses me off that we have the plastic bag levy for "environment purposes" when those bags are in the main recyclable and the cable ties are far from recyclable and are as the thread shows, a hazard:mad::mad::mad:

tampopo

RainyDay wrote: »

You'd spend more time counting cable ties, and fragments of cable ties. Some poles require 2 or 3 ties strapped together. Not workable really.



The ties are transparent for a reason, so that when they are strap goes through the nice man's forehead or neck or white shirt, they aren't visible to the punter at the bottom. You can't always plan for where exactly on the poster the ties will go. It depends on the size of the pole and the number of other posters up before you. I'm not sure if you could do colour coding without the ties turning into a distraction or disfigurement on the poster.

Look, if you can put a ring on a bird's leg and it flies from Ireland to South Africa and back and the ring is alright, you can colour code cable ties of election posters...for four weeks. Three in advance and seven days after the GE.

Kaisr Sose

@RainyDay
I mean it works in Switzerland in that they get candidates elected to their Parliament and get all their (many) referendums to result stage. You don't need to blitz every lamp post in Switzerland to achieve a result in a ballot. The same should / would apply here if we had the same systems. It's not about multi candidates or anything else. It's just about reaching a quota based on the number of votes cast. People should be left to decide and not be poster bombed!

It's obvious that you are more politically involved /motivated than I am. I should at this stage say I find elections in this country tedious and bordering on pathetic. But I do vote and not one poster influences me!

Saying that, elections have not moved on much from the way it's always been done. Things change, but elections don't. The environmental impact of elections should form part of the mix and all parties should adopt more environmentally friendly ways of getting elected. Rather than reduce their footprint, they all seem hellbent on having the biggest one. Is the environment not an important part of society too?

Its really pathetic that they think it's acceptable to drop cable ties or leave them attached to lamp posts and then all claim when challenged about it "those are not mine" "I instructed my volunteers to remove all the ties" etc etc. Somebody is telling lies / spinning mistruths but what's new when it comes to elections! Coloured ties would make them accountable for their waste!

ted1

My bunnie hops are really coming along well.

dreamerb

tampopo wrote: »

Look, if you can put a ring on a bird's leg and it flies from Ireland to South Africa and back and the ring is alright, you can colour code cable ties of election posters...for four weeks. Three in advance and seven days after the GE.

I see a couple of possible problems with colour coding. Honestly, for the constituencies with 21 candidates might we have to have special wavelength meters for local authorities to work out who the litterer is? And have to establish that the candidate's ties were manufactured within a tight enough parameter to make a fine defensible?

Maybe other have solutions to that, but I think there might be too many problems with colour coding.

OTOH, what about bar-coded ends? There's an obvious problem (which would also apply to colour codes to be fair) that if a candidate doesn't buy the "official" ties, it's very heavy on local authority working hours to police it, and difficult to impossible to apply litter fines when you get a discarded non-coded tie. And notionally, you could snip off the bar code, but the additional effort to snip off a bar code is pretty much the same effort as much as binning the thing properly in the first place.

Finally, on the barcode idea, you could combine that with the suggestion of limiting number of posters. They could be directly sold by local authorities (with or without a cap on numbers) which might also help subsidise clean-up.

Anyway, most - mercifully - seem to be gone now. I've tried to do my share of picking up the feckers before they do damage.

Wishbone Ash

dreamerb wrote: »

I see a couple of possible problems with colour coding. Honestly, for the constituencies with 21 candidates might we have to have special wavelength meters for local authorities to work out who the litterer is? And have to establish that the candidate's ties were manufactured within a tight enough parameter to make a fine defensible?

Maybe other have solutions to that, but I think there might be too many problems with colour coding.

OTOH, what about bar-coded ends? There's an obvious problem (which would also apply to colour codes to be fair) that if a candidate doesn't buy the "official" ties, it's very heavy on local authority working hours to police it, and difficult to impossible to apply litter fines when you get a discarded non-coded tie. And notionally, you could snip off the bar code, but the additional effort to snip off a bar code is pretty much the same effort as much as binning the thing properly in the first place.

Finally, on the barcode idea, you could combine that with the suggestion of limiting number of posters. They could be directly sold by local authorities (with or without a cap on numbers) which might also help subsidise clean-up.

Anyway, most - mercifully - seem to be gone now. I've tried to do my share of picking up the feckers before they do damage.

The colour coding idea was mainly presented to help the general public to identify the parties involved and therefore should be self-policing as they would be embarrassed to be directly associated with littering.

I don't think the bar-code idea would be as effective as the guilty party would not be instantly recognisable to 'the man in the street'.

Cabaal

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

Coloured ties would make them accountable for their waste!

While this is a nice idea no posters would be a far better use of resources and money,

Carawaystick

roverrules wrote: »

Could just ban all the independents, Dublin SW had 21 candidates putting up posters.

If someone could just think up of a way to let the public decide who they want to represent them...

If the council & nra take posters down which cause a traffic hazard,
Expand this because the risk of a puncture is a traffic hazard, allowing them to be banned/taken down by the council.

Kaisr Sose

Cabaal wrote: »

While this is a nice idea no posters would be a far better use of resources and money,

I 100% agree...:-)

RainyDay

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

Independents are the only hope we have to have posters banned/severely limited. As they say 'Turkey's would not vote for Christmas' so Main stream parties are not going to sponsor anything that negates their considerable € advantage over independents at election time.

Why would you think parties have more money than Independents? Check out the spending by Shane Ross or Noel Grealish in 2011 - both were independents, and they had the two most expensive campaigns in the country.

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

@RainyDay
I mean it works in Switzerland in that they get candidates elected to their Parliament and get all their (many) referendums to result stage. You don't need to blitz every lamp post in Switzerland to achieve a result in a ballot. The same should / would apply here if we had the same systems. It's not about multi candidates or anything else. It's just about reaching a quota based on the number of votes cast. People should be left to decide and not be poster bombed!

So you have no idea whether their system favours incumbent candidates over new candidates, but you are happy to rush into adopting it because it fixes one minor irritation for you. That kind of thinking is why we ended up spending €60 million on junk voting machines. Let's stick with evidence based policy please.

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

It's obvious that you are more politically involved /motivated than I am. I should at this stage say I find elections in this country tedious and bordering on pathetic. But I do vote and not one poster influences me!

Why do you think the most professional marketing businesses in the world spend so much on advertising of all shapes and sizes, and on outdoor advertising in particular. Why do Coke and McDonalds and Virgin Media and all those other folks spend on bus stop adverts and billboards month after month, year after year.

Because advertising works.

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

Its really pathetic that they think it's acceptable to drop cable ties or leave them attached to lamp posts and then all claim when challenged about it "those are not mine" "I instructed my volunteers to remove all the ties" etc etc. Somebody is telling lies / spinning mistruths but what's new when it comes to elections! Coloured ties would make them accountable for their waste!

I don't think anyone is suggesting that leaving cable ties on poles or on the ground is acceptable. However, let's not spin solutions that just aren't going to work.

Why don't you come up with a colour scheme to cover the 20-ish candidates that ran in Dublin Bay North, and we'll see how workable it is.

tampopo wrote: »

Look, if you can put a ring on a bird's leg and it flies from Ireland to South Africa and back and the ring is alright, you can colour code cable ties of election posters...for four weeks. Three in advance and seven days after the GE.

Right so if you ignore everything else that was said, then your proposal works. Fair enough so.

ckeego wrote: »

Couple of points on this..
1. Given the level of homelessness in Ireland at present it is galling to imagine how much these posters and campaigns cost and how that money would be better spent elsewhere...Hundreds of these posters in our neighbourhood including dozens at roundabouts which I'm pretty certain is a road safety distraction

Can I just check if it is political advertising costs that galls you, or general advertising spend? Does it gall you that Coke and McDonalds and Virgin Media spend millions each year on advertising, all of which could have been spent on homelessness - right?

ckeego wrote: »

2. The posters when they fall down are an even bigger hazard-your wheel really takes a slide if you come in contact with them

Does this actually happen? I've never come across a poster on the road or cycle path in my life. And if I did, I think I'd probably go around it, not over it.

ckeego wrote: »

3. It really pisses me off that we have the plastic bag levy for "environment purposes" when those bags are in the main recyclable and the cable ties are far from recyclable and are as the thread shows, a hazard:mad::mad::mad:

Actually, they generally are recyclable, and are generally disposed of for recycling at the end of the campaign.

Kaisr Sose

Carawaystick wrote: »

If someone could just think up of a way to let the public decide who they want to represent them...

If the council & nra take posters down which cause a traffic hazard,
Expand this because the risk of a puncture is a traffic hazard, allowing them to be banned/taken down by the council.

Again perfect sense and it should be easy to implement but who runs/controls the councils.....and don't they use posters to get into office....enough said!