The Mark - Yay or Nay

robbiezero

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

In this scenario there will be no advantage to the player by taking the mark, so he will just keep playing on.

Also, comparisons with Aussie Rules are redundant - most of the marks taken in Aussie rules which slow down the game are the ten yard pass to an unmarked player, a scenario which won't arise here.

Could get messy in that scenario. What is the defender up his hole to do. Has to put in a tackle or else he keeps playing on. If he tackles him, the player has the option to call a mark.
Defender will get in his face to slow down the mark so as his defence can re-organized.

StupidLikeAFox

robbiezero wrote: »

Could get messy in that scenario. What is the defender up his hole to do. Has to put in a tackle or else he keeps playing on. If he tackles him, the player has the option to call a mark.
Defender will get in his face to slow down the mark so as his defence can re-organized.

Shouldn't be a problem as long as its officiated right:

Once the player indicates he is taking the ‘Mark’, the
opposing players must retreat 10m to allow the player space
to take the kick. If an opposition player deliberately blocks
or attempts to block the kick within 10m, or if an opposition
player impedes the player while he is taking the kick, the
Referee shall penalise the opposition by bringing the ball
forward 13m.

robbiezero

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Shouldn't be a problem as long as its officiated right:

How much time does a player get to decide if he wants to take a mark or not?

StupidLikeAFox

robbiezero wrote: »

How much time does a player get to decide if he wants to take a mark or not?

Here is the full wording:

“When a player catches the ball cleanly from a Kick-Out without it touching the ground, on or past the 45m line nearest the Kick-Out point, he shall be awarded ‘a Mark’ by the Referee.

The player awarded a ‘Mark’ shall have the options of (a) Taking a free kick or (b) Playing on immediately

The following procedures shall apply:
(a) A Free Kick
The player shall signify to the Referee that he is availing of and then take the free kick himself from the hand from the point where he was awarded the ‘Mark’. Once the player indicates he is taking the ‘Mark’ the Referee will allow up to five seconds for the player to take the kick. If the player delays longer than five seconds the Referee will cancel the ‘Mark’ and throw in the ball between a player from each side.

Once the player indicates he is taking the ‘Mark’, the opposing players must retreat 10m to allow the player space to take the kick. If an opposition player deliberately blocks or attempts to block the kick within 10m, or if an opposition player impedes the player while he is taking the kick, the Referee shall penalise the opposition by bringing the ball forward 13m.

If the Referee determines that the player who makes the ‘Mark’ has been injured in the process and is unable to take the kick, the Referee shall direct the Player’s nearest team mate to take the kick but he may not score directly from the kick.

(b) Play on immediately
(i) In this circumstance the player may not be challenged for the ball until he carries the ball up to a maximum of four consecutive steps or holds the ball for no longer than the time needed to take four steps and/or makes one act of kicking, hand-passing, bouncing or toe-tapping the ball.
(ii) If he is illegally challenged, a free kick shall be awarded to his team from the point at which the challenge is made, and this free kick may be taken by any player on his team.”
Rules affected – Rules 1, 3, 4, 5 Definitions Rules of Football

Bonniedog

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Here is the full wording:

Reading that rule confirms that it is a recipe for a dog's dinner. Lots of ways to be exploited to slow the thing down further.

If they want to speed up the game and reward attacking football then they need to come down heavy on time wasting, mouthing and pulling and dragging. For that they will need a proper clock system, but of course that was rejected last year ....

StupidLikeAFox

I think the biggest potential for confusion is around how the player will indicate that they are taking the mark. But I also think it is focusing on a very specific part of play and don't think it will fundamentally change the game as much as some people are making out. Of course it remains to be seen!

Golfgorfield

For this to work effectively they need to rule that all kickouts travel at least 45, otherwise itll make no difference to the teams that use many many short kickouts.

Prop Joe

(b) Play on immediately
(i) In this circumstance the player may not be challenged for the ball until he carries the ball up to a maximum of four consecutive steps or holds the ball for no longer than the time needed to take four steps and/or makes one act of kicking, hand-passing, bouncing or toe-tapping the ball.

This will speed up the game and make kickouts MORE important as when you catch the ball you cant be touched and are away from your man - excellent rule

CWF

Every year they seem to be changing rules or putting trials in place for the league to see if it's a runner. It's gotten to the stage where they're making changes just to be seen to be dynamic and modern. Just leave it the way it is for a few years.

StupidLikeAFox

CWF wrote: »

Every year they seem to be changing rules or putting trials in place for the league to see if it's a runner. It's gotten to the stage where they're making changes just to be seen to be dynamic and modern. Just leave it the way it is for a few years.

I think there is a special "Playing rules Congress" held every five years - the last one was last year. My understanding is that this has a more focused look at the playing rules as a whole

Other than that there is a committee for playing rules which can submit motions at any congress. Central council can submit motions to any congress, and indeed any club in the country can submit a motion to be debated. Democracy in action!

Don't think they are doing it just for the sake of it - from a rules perspective I don't think that football or hurling has changed a huge amount. The black card was probably the most noticeable change which has been a success, they brought in the kicking tee relatively recently, tweaked things like the position that a kickout can be taken from, but the majority of motions which are proposed and passed have been housekeeping or minor tweaks.

davegrohl48

They undermined the black card by increasing the subs to six and making it 4th card non-replacable. I cant recall any team getting 4 black cards.