Nanny kills child in Moscow

syklops

This is seriously f^%ked up, so if you are of a sensitive disposition, click out of this thread...




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Details are thin on the ground at the moment but its being reported a woman wearing a Burkha who was baby sitting a four year old girl in Moscow has murdered her. She then beheaded the child, set fire to the apartment and then wandered around the streets of Moscow for about an hour carrying the head. Police have arrested her outside a Metro station. More on the story here.

If my summary has upset you, don't go clicking any further. As I said, it is f^%ked up.

allibastor

They should have shot her!

Jarren

Johnny Carson wrote: »

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Not Funny

Poor Child,RIP

syklops

Jarren wrote: »

Not Funny

Poor Child,RIP

I can't help thinking about the parents. Losing a child is devastating as it is. But, this?

The_Kew_Tour

If its happening in Russia that's worrying

Dyr

allibastor wrote: »

They should have shot her!

All in good time. This is Russia

King George VI

Jarren wrote: »

Not Funny

Poor Child,RIP

Never said it was funny. It's tragic, you're right. RIP to the child. This type of weird **** happens in Russia all the time. Some of it tragic like this story, some of it just weird.

Did the family of the child not have any kind of filtering process when hiring a nanny? Surely they would have seen some sort of strangeness in the woman?

syklops

Johnny Carson wrote: »

Never said it was funny. It's tragic, you're right. RIP to the child. This type of weird **** happens in Russia all the time. Some of it tragic like this story, some of it just weird.

Did the family of the child not have any kind of filtering process when hiring a nanny? Surely they would have seen some sort of strangeness in the woman?

Did you read the link I posted? She was wearing a Burkha, told police she was a terrorist and threatened to blow herself up. That sort of thing doesnt happen in Russia "all the time".

Lollipops23

Even for ISIS that's dark. Clearly extremely unwell to do such a disgusting thing.

Gatling

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

If its happening in Russia that's worrying

Chechnia comes to mind again

syklops

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Even for ISIS that's dark. Clearly extremely unwell to do such a disgusting thing.

No confirmation its ISIS yet, though I have to admit it sounds like their MO.

Its so unfathomable, I don't really know what to say.

syklops

Gatling wrote: »

Chechnia comes to mind again

Its being reported she is Uzbek.

Gatling

I'd call mental health issues before isis but considering russias on going bombardment of civilian populations in syria ,
Anything is possible

kneemos

Probably just ill.

King George VI

syklops wrote: »

Did you read the link I posted? She was wearing a Burkha, told police she was a terrorist and threatened to blow herself up. That sort of thing doesnt happen in Russia "all the time".

Strange and horrifying deaths do

Son Of A Vidic

Gatling wrote: »

I'd call mental health issues before isis but considering russias on going bombardment of civilian populations in syria ,
Anything is possible

Sounds like they've taken a leaf out of the American's book of Freedom then. Although Daesh wouldn't agree, hence the reason they're desperately trying to relocate to Libya.

Anyway, RIP to the poor victim.

cowboyBuilder

I'm no fan of Islam - but this is clearly a serious mental health issue.

Heartbreaking for the parents and sibling, and that poor child ... RIP.

donfers

This is heart-breaking stuff, I can only hope the poor little girl didn't suffer too much and passed away before that psycho cut her head off

cowboyBuilder

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35685981

BBC refer to the child as "it" ... stay classy BBC ... stay classy ...

xzanti

RIP an unthinkable end to her short little life.

I hope justice is done.

L.Jenkins

No matter her religion, she is an absolute fucking monster for her actions. I imagine if she doesn't suffer from mental health issues, the Russians won't take to kindly to this.

whiskeyman

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35685981

BBC refer to the child as "it" ... stay classy BBC ... stay classy ...

this the line that offends?

bbc wrote:

The woman, believed to be the victim's nanny, is suspected of killing the child before setting fire to its parents' apartment.

I don't see the problem, especially as the report goes onto say that the childs sex is still unknown, and very young children are often refered to as 'it' - even our first mention is 'It's a girl / boy'.

'It' is the third person 'neuter'.


Back on topic - sounds like the woman needs help.

Duggy747

Supposedly she went mental and went on hard drugs because she had just found out that her partner was cheating on her.

ClovenHoof

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35685981

BBC refer to the child as "it" ... stay classy BBC ... stay classy ...

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riffmongous

Read about it on the BBC, sickening stuff There it said she threatened to blow herself though later she was found without explosives, so sounds like she has serious mental delusions

whiskeyman wrote: »

this the line that offends?



I don't see the problem, especially as the report goes onto say that the childs sex is still unknown, and very young children are often refered to as 'it' - even our first mention is 'It's a girl / boy'.

'It' is the third person 'neuter'.


Back on topic - sounds like the woman needs help.

Personally I have always used third person plural for babies before the sex is known, when one of my german friends referred to her baby as 'it' (while speaking english, in german it's correct gramatically) I found it uncomfortable

Boom_Bap

ClovenHoof wrote: »

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That is a bit over the top. Tone it down a wee bit.

Nodin

Itzy wrote: »

No matter her religion, she is an absolute fucking monster for her actions. I imagine if she doesn't suffer from mental health issues, the Russians won't take to kindly to this.

I'd say they won't one way or the other.

Itzy

Itzy wrote: »

No matter her religion, she is an absolute fucking monster for her actions. I imagine if she doesn't suffer from mental health issues, the Russians won't take to kindly to this.

If she's ill, she's not a monster even if her actions were unspeakably monstrous.

If she's not ill, then she's definitely a monster.

scdublin

So disgusting and upsetting! That family will be traumatized for life. The murder is awful enough but to burn the body/apartment and then parade around with a body part? Has to be some evil in that woman, not just mentally ill.

Billy86

syklops wrote: »

Did you read the link I posted? She was wearing a Burkha, told police she was a terrorist and threatened to blow herself up. That sort of thing doesnt happen in Russia "all the time".

No, but strange, horrible and violent things do tend to - it has the highest murder rate in all of Europe, and in Asia is only behind Kyrgyzstan, Mongolia, Turkmenistan and Myanmar.

kowloon

Killing a child, cutting off their head and then parading it about is not something that a sane person would do, regardless of the reason. I don't consider any violent murderous type sane.

The Wandering Jew

What a Goddamn evil bitch!

L.Jenkins

No matter what her mental condition is, I'm sure if the child's Father gets his hands on her, she'll be mercilessly lynched.

whatismyname

kneemos wrote: »

Probably just ill.

Probably not.

bear1

I clicked into this thread after hearing a snippet on the news.
Didn't watch the video and nor will I, the blurred photos and description were enough to get my eyes sore.
I write this now as my 9 month old daughter sleeps next to me and I cant help but wonder "what if?".
That poor poor girl to suffer such an awful and disrespectful death.
A girl not even in her prime. A girl that will never have her first kiss, her first job, her first child, grandchild. A father that will never walk his baby girl down the aisle or hear her voice ever again.
A mother who carried her in her womb for almost a fourth of that girls life. Its unbearable to think about it what those poor souls must be going through.
That sick bitch, the motto eye for an eye fits well here.
Rip little angel, you are rid of this disgusting world.

Stheno

bear1 wrote: »

I clicked into this thread after hearing a snippet on the news.
Didn't watch the video and nor will I, the blurred photos and description were enough to get my eyes sore.
I write this now as my 9 month old daughter sleeps next to me and I cant help but wonder "what if?".
That poor poor girl to suffer such an awful and disrespectful death.
A girl not even in her prime. A girl that will never have her first kiss, her first job, her first child, grandchild. A father that will never walk his baby girl down the aisle or hear her voice ever again.
A mother who carried her in her womb for almost a fourth of that girls life. Its unbearable to think about it what those poor souls must be going through.
That sick bitch, the motto eye for an eye fits well here.
Rip little angel, you are rid of this disgusting world.

I was telling my partner about this, and as he said "a two year old is a completely innocent little being"

Letree

Candie wrote: »

If she's ill, she's not a monster even if her actions were unspeakably monstrous.

If she's not ill, then she's definitely a monster.

She is a monster either way. An ill monster or a well monster but still a monster.

Stheno

Letree wrote: »

She is a monster either way. An ill monster or a well monster but still a monster.

I'd disagree, think of that man who killed his housemate in Castleknock and ate part of his lung.

While not quite as horrific, he had severe mental issues which caused him to behave as he did, and so he did not have control over his actions.

Should this woman have the same kind of affliction that should be treated differently than her being an extremist.

However in a country like Russia, I suspect that will count for little.

esforum

Candie wrote: »

If she's ill, she's not a monster even if her actions were unspeakably monstrous.

If she's not ill, then she's definitely a monster.

what illness could be used to justify this?

Stheno

esforum wrote: »

what illness could be used to justify this?

Schizophrenia, multiple personality disorder?

Billy86

esforum wrote: »

what illness could be used to justify this?

Insanity, I would guess.

Jesus Wept

not watching that sh1t. **** that.

whatismyname

Billy86 wrote: »

Insanity, I would guess.

There is no such illness.

ceadaoin.

Stheno wrote: »

Schizophrenia, multiple personality disorder?

People develop dissociative identity disorder, as it's known now, after going through severe trauma. I don't think they are more likely to commit murder.

I read that she did this after finding out her husband cheated on her. Could be some kind of breakdown or she could just be an evil person who wanted to make another family suffer.

Absolutely horrific for the poor child and the family.

Billy86

whatismyname wrote: »

There is no such illness.

Well, true - I was thinking more in legal terms in the sense that people do get off on the insanity defense for absolutely horrific crimes. Basically that people can do things like that as a result of 'insanity' (the specific type of which can of course vary).

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Clearly she's insane. Nobody in their right mind would even think of doing something as absolute evil as what she done. She's an absolute monster though. Illness or no illness. There's millions of people with mental illness that don't chop heads off little girls. I hope in her case it's like for like.

jelenka

I don't care if she is unwell mentally - she is claiming that she did it because of her husbands infidelity, why she chose to leave him alive, his new woman alive and most importantly herself alive? Why did she choose to kill an innocent child and to do so in such a horrible, monstrous way?
That poor girl had physical disabilities and it breaks my heart that she died in such a horrific way because of a monster that should have killed herself instead.
I guess there is difference for me -if someone has mental illness and is suicidal I would encourage them to seek help, but if people are suffering mental health problems and take away their lives along with other people's lives, or like in this case simply take someone else's live - hope they rot in hell.

Lollipops23

jelenka wrote: »

I don't care if she is unwell mentally - she is claiming that she did it because of her husbands infidelity, why she chose to leave him alive, his new woman alive and most importantly herself alive? Why did she choose to kill an innocent child and to do so in such a horrible, monstrous way?

She's also claiming the voices told her to do it. That suggests severe mental illness to me.

esforum

Stheno wrote: »

Schizophrenia, multiple personality disorder?

on what basis would these illnesses justify this behavioour? You could have 20 personalities, one of them is obviously a murdering bastard.

Schizophrenia again wouldnt justify it, theres millions with schizophrenia that arent killing children every single day.

esforum

Lollipops23 wrote: »

She's also claiming the voices told her to do it. That suggests severe mental illness to me.

and? The voices are exactly that, voices. She wasnt posessed.

Herb Powell

esforum wrote: »

what illness could be used to justify this?

esforum wrote: »

on what basis would these illnesses justify this behavioour? You could have 20 personalities, one of them is obviously a murdering bastard.

Schizophrenia again wouldnt justify it, theres millions with schizophrenia that arent killing children every single day.

I think you're confusing "justifying" with explaining.

There's no one on here justifying what she did. Everyone thinks it's horrible.