Resident Evil 4, 5 & 6 - PS4 & XBOX1

Zero-Cool

Resi 4 would be great to play again, zero interest in playing the other 2 again. Between this and the remake of Resi 2, I wonder if any work at all is happening with Resi 7.

Shnakes as well putting the best one last.

Resi 6 - March 29th
Resi 5 - Summer 2016
Resi 4 - Fall 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsHC2tb7l64

4 is definitely worth another look for me I think

Not sure I like the fact it's last to be released though

Generic Dreadhead

As a long time Resi fan, I think a lot of the negativity around 5 is a bit hyperbolic. It wasn't as good as 4, but it wasn't as poor as 6.

That being said, I CNGF about a re-release of 5 or 6. Resi 4 on the other hand

Kiith

How many re-releases of 4 is this now? Seems like there's a new one every year.

Retr0gamer

Kiith wrote: »

How many re-releases of 4 is this now? Seems like there's a new one every year.

Ah, tis a classic though. Better than the some of the other 'HD remasters' of mediocre games.

Like Resi 6.

Actually that isn't right, Resi 6 is just utter ****e, not mediocre.

Zero-Cool

Yupp, at least 5 was enjoyable playing local co-op with o/h. We tried playing 6 and had to give up after Leon's section. Complete shyte.

there must be about 30 resi games now between remakes and upgrades but all I want is a remastered Resi 2.

Stone Deaf 4evr

never played 4, might give it a look when its out, played 5 and quite enjoyed it.

ShadowHearth

I never liked 4. I loved the style of 1,2,3 and 4 went kind off banana for my liking. Then again I never played it when it was new, I only played it re-release.

5 was great crack couch Co op with buddy, but as a single player game it's ****ing horrible. Ai of your partner is retarded at best.

6... I managed to play it very very little before giving up on it, even alcohol and pizza didn't help for me and my buddy.

gizmo

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I never liked 4.

No one's perfect, ShadowHearth, don't worry about it.

TerrorFirmer

Not a big fan of 4 either, loved 5 though, played it through a few times in co-op. Thought 6 was pretty enjoyable in co-op also, even though Leon's was the only really decent campaign.

Now here's the one that will really get me lynched...Resident Evil: Racoon City was under-rated in my opinion. Yes, the single player was pretty mediocre but entertaining, but the multi-player was excellent, I played a ton of it! Awesome having to fight an enemy team while both of you have to worry about zombies roaming the map. A very solid MP experience and most reviews glossed over that aspect of it completely.

readyletsgo

Will definitely pick up the physical American version of RE4 for the ps4, in the 'Fall'. I have RE5 Gold edition on PS3.

RE6 can go an sh!te, as I have it on download already

Robert ninja

And still no Biohazard Outbreak File #1/2... the only games in the series that could actually really benefit from a HD/Remaster to remove the loading screens and tighten up the online. I've played online again via emulation to PS2 players (wooh non-official cross-platform) but it's still a lot of effort to setup, maintain, hook up with friends etc. An 8th-gen/PC remaster is really what it needs.

chrislad

Poor old Resident Evil 3 is getting no love. We have RE:Zero, RE:HD already out, with RE2 remastered on the way, and now these three. I've never actually played 6, after hearing all the bad things, but having bought Zero and RE:HD, I may start a replay all the way through.

K.O.Kiki

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Yupp, at least 5 was enjoyable playing local co-op with o/h. We tried playing 6 and had to give up after Leon's section. Complete shyte.

there must be about 30 resi games now between remakes and upgrades but all I want is a remastered Resi 2.

Soon...

Sephiroth_dude

Whats the idea behind releasing 6 first ?

Captain Chaos

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Whats the idea behind releasing 6 first ?

Saving the best till last.:D

Hopefully releasing 6 first will show Capcom how bad it is from the sales.

readyletsgo

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Saving the best till last.:D

Hopefully releasing 6 first will show Capcom how bad it is from the sales.

Didn't capcom say, after its release, that RE6 was the best selling RE game in the franchise (even after all the terrible reviews)? RE5 was the second best selling. Think they said that in 2013 or there abouts.

I would think RE4 was/is the best selling since its on everything?

Captain Chaos

I bought a GC just for RE4 back in the day.

I would still reckon RE4 lifetime sales are far better than RE6.

RE5 is impossible for me to play without some else in co-op. Shiva's AI is game breaking, it's a job in itself just making sure she's not wasting ammo on weak targets. She actually makes the game harder just by being there.

readyletsgo

Captain Chaos wrote: »

I bought a GC just for RE4 back in the day.

I would still reckon RE4 lifetime sales are far better than RE6.

RE5 is impossible for me to play without some else in co-op. Shiva's AI is game breaking, it's a job in itself just making sure she's not wasting ammo on weak targets. She actually makes the game harder just by being there.

I think I have played RE4 on every console at this stage. Favorite version is the Wii version.

I see people say that about Shiva all the time. Just give her the rifle and she uses feck all ammo then and is not in the way at all.

I love RE5, great single player when played like that. Kinda underrated RE game even though it sold extremely well. Of course I would have loved if they released the original version of RE5 instead. Stupid SJW's of the time. Racism, it's set in Africa, duh.

Zero-Cool

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Whats the idea behind releasing 6 first ?

If they released 4 first, that's all people would need and wouldn't buy 5 or 6. Releasing 6 first might get a few sales for gimmicky/nostalgia reasons and to feed peoples fix until resi 4.

ShadowHearth

readyletsgo wrote: »

Didn't capcom say, after its release, that RE6 was the best selling RE game in the franchise (even after all the terrible reviews)? RE5 was the second best selling. Think they said that in 2013 or there abouts.

I would think RE4 was/is the best selling since its on everything?

To be honest no surprise there. Its still had resident evil legacy behind it to shift sales. I bet majority who bought it, never even played original Re games.

I think it's a bit unfair to compare sales like this. It would be more fair to calculate percentage of sales compared to players and console Base. As we know xbox 360 and ps3 sold Ton ****, add some pc sales to it. There will be more copies of crapy game sold then there were consoles when original Re games came out.

TerrorFirmer

It's not really a fair argument either, as a bad game is simply a bad game and sales will reflect that; a game isn't a bad game because it doesn't deliver what an older fan-base want.

It's no different than COD4 veterans moaning about how crap and gimmicky the COD series has become, but it doesn't stop it becoming the best selling game in history because it does deliver what the broad market does want.

Resident Evil 5 and 6 sold bucketloads because they appealed to a far wider base than the likes of Resident Evil 4 does. It doesn't mean it's a better game necessarily but it is what it is and it's certainly not a 'bad' game.

What you mean to say is that for you, it's a poor Resident Evil game, but I'd be surprised if many people could objectively say that it's actually a bad game in its own right.

I think I got about 60-70 hours out of it in co-op and mercenaries, not bad value for €50.

petes

Just bought the origins pack with zero and the original on Friday. Good news for me as I never played 4 so will look forward to it, will probably get 6 too as haven't played it either and it's not exactly getting any love!

Looking forward to playing the original again during the week, been a long time!!

tok9

I've gone about things the complete wrong way. While I played a bit of RE2 when I was younger I didn't get close to finishing it. It's only recently with REmake and playing RE2 and 3 on my vita that I've actually got around to playing most of the RE games.

So I've played it like RE4 - RE5 - REmake - RE2 - RE3. Now that I've done that you can really see how RE4 was the beginning of the end for the series in so many ways. Now RE4 is a great game (bar the island nonsense) but I don't look back at it fondly now that I've played RE1-3.

I actually had a blast with RE5, it's a lot of fun with a friend but RE6, I didn't even bother with it. I could tell from the footage that it looked like absolute trash. That demo with Leon running away from that endless explosion.. that was enough and I don't think this port will sway me either.

If REmake 2 sales well I wouldn't mind seeing them do the same for 3. That game is seriously unappreciated.

CiDeRmAn

I loved RE4 but 5 and 6 just seemed m'eh and got progressively further from what the series was about.
In RE4 it was interesting, as well as a gripping action adventure but 5 and 6 just felt more like RE4:2 and RE4:3.
Revelations, on the other hand, was far better balanced, played it on a 3DS with the control pad pro and it was fantastic, despite a certain lack of enemy types.
Perhaps too the whole franchise has been left behind by the likes of Soma, made for less money and far more effective as a source of horror.

Retr0gamer

Resident Evil 4 was classic Japanese game design at its finest. You had a bunch of mechanics and the game presented you with a large variety of set pieces that forced you to use those mechanics in interesting ways. It meant the game was constantly fresh. RE5 and 6 were just the same crap over and over again.

Capcom lost most of the RE4 talent since most of the team went on to Clover and then Platinum so I'm not sure Capcom could even replicate that magic again.

Agree with the sentiment that RE 5 took some undeserved heat

Was a thoroughly enjoyable experience and one of the best coop games of last gen

Easily got 50+ hours out of it I'd say

K.O.Kiki

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Best_selling_Capcom_games

Not 100% accurate, but Resident Evil 5 has sold more than 6, definitely (and more than 3 console releases of RE4).

Both overtook Street Fighter II, which is why Capcom reported it.

Sieghardt

if sales and profitability determine which are the best entries then the resident evil films are by far and away the peak of the series

and I would hope any fans of the series realize how ridiculous that would be

readyletsgo

Don't care what anyone says, RE4 is a classic! So well made. Loved it. Played through it I don't know how many times. RE5, I really loved it, played through it loads as well, in single player, really enjoyed it, and the DLC too. RE6, ugh, played through Leon's part, was OK, started Chris's part, just too much, never went back to it. Maybe this this I will, only on a physical copy of course.

Speaking of which, does anyone know if they will be released individually in March, summer and autumn or as a compilation in the 'fall' in the Americas? Rather a compilation tbh.

Also, RE4 still looks good all these years later, but I do think it could do with a remake in the next few years, maybe for the 15th anniversary of RE4, most likely lol.

allibastor

I got 1 on PSN, think it was like 8 euro when I got it on DL.

Not bad, me and the wife played it together ( how sad) and remember it from when we were younger. good game but looks terrible now and the autosave feature is non-existant

kunst nugget

readyletsgo wrote: »

I see people say that about Shiva all the time. Just give her the rifle and she uses feck all ammo then and is not in the way at all.

Tried that out at the weekend. That's a great tip. I might actually finish the game now.

readyletsgo wrote: »

I love RE5, great single player when played like that. Kinda underrated RE game even though it sold extremely well. Of course I would have loved if they released the original version of RE5 instead. Stupid SJW's of the time. Racism, it's set in Africa, duh.

I can't imagine that the changes were anything more than cosmetic tbh.

CiDeRmAn

Resi 5, a white guy stumbling around shooting black folks.
Capcom add a female African protagonist to improve the games profile, include the whitest looking girl ever, reminding most of little more than a palette change in her skin texture.
And, yes, I'm aware that European and Mediterranean people live in Africa too.

kunst nugget

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Resi 5, a white guy stumbling around shooting black folks.

You could also easily say:

Resi 5, a horror game highlighting the exploitation of post colonial African states by multinational conglomerates.

Generic Dreadhead

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Resi 5, a white guy stumbling around shooting black folks

Resi 1 had a white guy shooting white folks
Resi 2 had a white guy shooting dogs
Resi 3 had a white girl shooting men
Resi CV had a white girl shooting men
Resi 4 had a white guy shooting hispanic folks
Resi Zero had a kind of vaguely foreign guy shooting scorpions
Resi 5 had a white guy and some mixed race girl shooting black folks
Resi 6 had an asian woman shooting all types of stuff
Resi Rev1 had a hispanic guy shooting members of the united states former serving naval service

Of course people only like to look at the bit thats underlined :P

It's a Zombie game and you were playing a repeatedly returning character who's links go as far back as the very 1st game in the series.
If you look for racism, you'll find it.

Frankly I find Resident Evil 3 to be extremely sexist as you cannot play as a male character

readyletsgo

Cormac... wrote: »

Of course people only like to look at the bit thats underlined :rolleyes:

It's a Zombie game and you were playing a repeatedly returning character who's links go as far back as the very 1st game in the series.

If you look for racism, you'll find it.

Eh, if you read up on the development of RE5, after capcom showed RE5 for the first time all those years ago, (you can find the video on YouTube, prob under original resident Evil 5) the SJW's of the time has a conniption, as Chris was this big hulking white American dude killing black people, obviously the gaming world knew the story, the locals in RE5 had a new strain of Las Plagas from RE4. But no, the media shouted racism at the preview.

So capcom went back to the drawing board, added in the whitest black woman as a side kick, and added in a few white zombies to avoid criticism.

Basically the game was completely changed after that.

CiDeRmAn

kunst nugget wrote: »

You could also easily say:

Resi 5, a horror game highlighting the exploitation of post colonial African states by multinational conglomerates.

Could, but wouldn't


I would certainly raise the issue about zombie rights in the first game, very unfair indeed.

Generic Dreadhead

readyletsgo wrote: »

Eh, if you read up on the development of RE5, after capcom showed RE5 for the first time all those years ago, (you can find the video on YouTube, prob under original resident Evil 5) the SJW's of the time has a conniption, as Chris was this big hulking white American dude killing black people, obviously the gaming world knew the story, the locals in RE5 had a new strain of Las Plagas from RE4. But no, the media shouted racism at the preview.

We're the gaming world here, and we're still on about this rubbish

Basically the game was completely changed after that.

How? Adding in the co-op aspect? If anything that stands out a positive for that entry. The amount of "I enjoyed playing co-op in it" etc.

readyletsgo

Cormac... wrote: »

We're the gaming world here, and we're still on about this rubbish



How? Adding in the co-op aspect? If anything that stands out a positive for that entry. The amount of "I enjoyed playing co-op in it" etc.

The game without Sheva would have been very different. People hated/still do hate her in single player. (I like single player campaigns, it's what I expect from a lot of games)

Sure I just gave a tip up above on how to keep her busy on the game. Read up on it, it's all over the Internet for years.

Retr0gamer

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Resi 5, a white guy stumbling around shooting black folks.
Capcom add a female African protagonist to improve the games profile, include the whitest looking girl ever, reminding most of little more than a palette change in her skin texture.
And, yes, I'm aware that European and Mediterranean people live in Africa too.

This isn't fully the truth. There was uproar about it but it was quite close to the games release. Sheva was already fleshed out and had been shown at that point and the only change capcom made was to make the ratio of white to black zombies about 50:50. I've never seen or heard anything aout Sheva being changed for the game.

Generic Dreadhead

readyletsgo wrote: »

The game without Sheva would have been very different. People hated/still do hate her in single player. (I like single player campaigns, it's what I expect from a lot of games)

Sure I just gave a tip up above on how to keep her busy on the game. Read up on it, it's all over the Internet for years.

The Co-op thing was coming (Resi 4 kind of, and Resi Zero) and ended up staying (Resi 6 and Resi Rev kind of).
I don't buy that Sheva was the hail mary by capcom that made it '"Stick".

I played the entirety of Resi 5 solo and I enjoyed it

Only bad memories were trying to manage the 2x 3x3 grids of inventory (i thought 4, although unrealistic, handled this better) and having to use health when she was nearby or something so it generated her health too (maybe that was 6). Also was there a weapon upgrade system? If so, it was pi$$ poor

I though 5 was a better game than 3.

There, I've said it, I finally said it *breaks down crying*

johnny_ultimate

The question shouldn't have been 'is this racist?' (which would imply something actively insidious, which was clearly never the intention) and more 'how does the game engage with its loaded setting?'. Because it was loaded, much more so than the earlier entries in the series (not that the depictions of villagers in RE4 were particularly nuanced) - having a game where where a Western military fights African 'tribal savages' by its very existence places itself in a complex sociological and historical context. To ignore them is problematic. Not that this is unique to RE5 - every military shooter set in an unnamed Middle Eastern country shares similar issues. Given Resident Evil's storytelling quality ranges from 'poor' to 'hahahhah' it was never going to be the game to tackle them substantially :pac: (although my main recollections from Resi 5 are just it being substantially blander and less interesting gameplay wise than its predecessor)

Obviously proper discussion of the issues was lost in the 'omg racism' outrage reporting. But there was some - this academic essay looks at the content of the game in a wider context (warning: academia approaching! Proceed cautiously): http://www.digra.org/wp-content/uploads/digital-library/11312.58174.pdf

Or, as Dan Whitehead put it (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/resident-evil-5-hands-on-chapter1to3?page=3):

There will be plenty of people who refuse to see anything untoward in this material. "It wasn't racist when the enemies were Spanish in Resident Evil 4," goes the argument, but then the Spanish don't have the baggage of being stereotyped as subhuman animals for the past two hundred years. It's perfectly possible to use Africa as the setting for a powerful and troubling horror story, but when you're applying the concept of people being turned into savage monsters onto an actual ethnic group that has long been misrepresented as savage monsters, it's hard to see how elements of race weren't going to be a factor.

All it will take is for one mainstream media outlet to show the heroic Chris Redfield stamping on the face of a black woman, splattering her skull, and the controversy over Manhunt 2 will seem quaint by comparison. If we're going to accept this sort of imagery in games then questions are going be asked, these questions will have merit, and we're going to need a more convincing answer than "lol it's just a game."

Generic Dreadhead

Does not seeing it as racist make me racist?

Like, I appreciate I can be viewed as racist. But I choose to give them the benefit of the doubt that it never intended to be.
And intent matters in matters of racial offense

If we're going to accept this sort of imagery in games then questions are going be asked, these questions will have merit, and we're going to need a more convincing answer than "lol it's just a game."

In RE5, Jill is revealed to have been enslaved by Westker, the primary antagonist and kept in a zombied state (see figure 6). Jill‘s reappearance is significant since she is the only character that is restored from the controlling parasite, and does not need to be killed. Like the woman in White Zombie she is not held accountable for her actions when infected because Jill, like the Western woman in White Zombie is, although also essentially generic, assumed to be generically good.

Or....... because she's like one of the main characters in the series full stop!

Generic Dreadhead

Let's be the change we want to see!

kunst nugget

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

The question shouldn't have been 'is this racist?' (which would imply something actively insidious, which was clearly never the intention) and more 'how does the game engage with its loaded setting?'. Because it was loaded, much more so than the earlier entries in the series (not that the depictions of villagers in RE4 were particularly nuanced) - having a game where where a Western military fights African 'tribal savages' by its very existence places itself in a complex sociological and historical context. To ignore them is problematic. Not that this is unique to RE5 - every military shooter set in an unnamed Middle Eastern country shares similar issues. Given Resident Evil's storytelling quality ranges from 'poor' to 'hahahhah' it was never going to be the game to tackle them substantially :pac: (although my main recollections from Resi 5 are just it being substantially blander and less interesting gameplay wise than its predecessor)

Obviously proper discussion of the issues was lost in the 'omg racism' outrage reporting. But there was some - this academic essay looks at the content of the game in a wider context (warning: academia approaching! Proceed cautiously): http://www.digra.org/wp-content/uploads/digital-library/11312.58174.pdf

Or, as Dan Whitehead put it (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/resident-evil-5-hands-on-chapter1to3?page=3):

Here is an interesting analysis about it by Glenn Bowman, Senior Lecturer at the Department of Anthropology at the University of Kent, Canterbury.

http://www.videogamer.com/xbox360/resident_evil_5/news/exclusive_expert_delivers_verdict_on_resi_5_racism_row.html

I would like to set up as a counter-thematic, there's a very interesting anti-colonial thematic running through it. This whole idea of the victimisation of Africa by pharmaceutical companies, by terrorist groups, all of whom seem to be run by white characters who are coming in and exploiting people. There's the diary left behind by the kid who's eventually infected (found on a table in the Native Village section), which points out very clearly that in the past the colonials came in and exploited the local people, ripped them off of stuff, damaged them. He says that maybe they came back to give us this immunisation because they felt guilty. There's something quite interesting going on with that. The fact that they actually came back to screw them up once again and infect them with this virus or disease, seems to me to be far more damning of the colonial powers towards Africa than it says anything about whether or not blacks are some sort of savages. The blacks here are clearly being set up as victims, alterity, frightening. Yes there are themes you can say might be somewhat racist but you know that's also about making you scared.

Basically if you want to make a frightening scene you take whatever characteristics of that scene are salient and turn them align. So you get vicious Spaniards who I suspect are running around with knives or whatever. Here you get infected Africans. Maybe they'll make the next game happen in Finland and you'll have a whole series of Inuits and the like being really scary and running around with Walrus heads on. I think it's silly to call it racist.

Another interesting article where a person who had initially written it off as racist because of the trailer, changes their mind when playing the game:

http://www.mtv.com/news/2459022/how-my-opinion-about-race-in-resident-evil-5-has-changed/

Watching the trailer again, it still made me feel uneasy. I still didn’t like the fantasy it portrayed. I still didn’t like how it set Chris against an Africa that looked like a horrid and inhuman place.

In the game, however, I saw something different. The white vs. black racial dichotomy was gone. The infected people looked infected. The characters who once looked like poor Africans whom I didn’t want to shoot now looked like undead menaces I needed to stop to stay alive.

I don’t know if I have changed. I don’t think I have. But what I’ve seen of the game has changed. The game gives a different feeling than the trailer. It uses race and color differently. That’s worth more discussion, and I hope people will engage with it.

I guess people will see what they want to see in it.

kunst nugget

There's a sale on Resident Evil games on the store and I'm thinking off picking up Resident Evil 4 again (if I can get over the racist portrayal of Spaniards) but they're also selling it in a bundle with Code: Veronica X. Is that worth picking up or will I just stick with RE4 by itself?

kunst nugget

RopeDrink wrote: »

It was a bad joke…

Ol' Donie

kunst nugget wrote: »

It was a bad joke…

We don't know they are Spanish. All we know is that it's "somewhere in Europe". Where they speak Spanish.

kunst nugget

Ol' Donie wrote: »

We don't know they are Spanish. All we know is that it's "somewhere in Europe". Where they speak Spanish.

Oh, God. So have I been unintentionally racist by calling them Spaniards even though I'm not sure of their nationality? I better give out about myself on Twitter…

kunst nugget

I played through RE5 last week and finished it at the weekend. Not earth shattering but a nice romp through apart from some pretty horrible controls and I felt that it dragged at times. The story is absolute pants. I can't say I had any real issue with Sheva in it. I preferred the two revelations games, particularly the first one, more than 5 I think. I'm going to get stuck into 6 and maybe revisit 4 after that. I'll let you know how I got on.

kunst nugget

This thread prompted me to finish off the RE5 and RE6 campaigns that I had bought cheap. RE5 wasn't bad going and it was a pretty enjoyable if preposterous ride that ticked along pretty swiftly and didn't lull too much. I'm halfway through RE6, having finished Jake and Leon's campaigns, and it really is a mess. The QTEs are terrible, the constant cutscenes are ruining any hope of flow to the game and while the introduction of the melee was a nice idea, it is handled so poorly that it gets very annoying very quickly. Sticking skill points in crates is really silly and the boss fights are pretty perplexing as half the time you have little to no idea what you're meant to be doing to try and defeat them and it seems to be based on how many bullets you plough into them. I thought that maybe there was a game in there that was ripe for appraisal and that it wasn't as bad as people made out but sadly that doesn't seem to be the case at all. I'll end up finishing it though because I'm a sad act…