TG4 HD testing on saorview

khumbu

PID 2104 in HD

Oireachtas TV is on the mux RTE2 is on. Channel ID is 'Oireachtas TV' on my Sony TV.

EDIT: TG4 HD is on the other mux (RTE1, UTVI ). Current programme info reads: 'Ag Táistáil Innealtóireachta'. Blank channel ID for me.

byte

I had noticed that the RTE NL HD loop was replaced with that clacking 2rn Ard Ghleine card this morning.

Hope TG4 HD hangs about, be a nice addition to Saorview. TV3 will probably never be HD on the platform...

ShaneOC

Certainly a welcome addition. No technical reason why all channels should not be in HD on the platform. Plenty of space and it would be a great coup for them to have all the channels in HD before the pay TV operators.

If TV3 HD is not made available on Saorview they should be excluded from bidding on any sports rights.

ShaneOC

ShaneOC wrote: »

If TV3 HD is not made available on Saorview they should be excluded from bidding on any sports rights.

Proper order. Watching the RWC on TV3 on Saorview and then flicking over to UTV on Freeview HD was some eye opener in terms of broadcast quality. They should be forced to switch to HD on the platform before they start showing the Six Nations.

lertsnim

It is now showing a still image of Prime Time on RTÉ One.

EDIT: Saw a piece of that video they were showing for the last few weeks just now and it has now changed to coloured bars

dublinman1990

Brilliant news. Let's hope it stays there for the future.

cool666

Excellent News. Hope it stays. Love to know what kind of deal they made.

brick man

LCN 14 showing silent coloured bars and Oireachtas test channel now showing 2rn ident and piece in Irish which I think means test transmission

The Cush

brick man wrote: »

LCN 14 showing silent coloured bars

Running at 2 Mbps now - http://www.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.php?mux=PSB-MUX-2&pid=2104&live=15&sec=0&lang=en

h7nlrp2v0g5u48

Now showing four seasons video.

galtee boy

What makes everyone think this is TG4 HD testing ? I haven't seen anything on this test to suggest it is TG4 HD.

ShaneOC

galtee boy wrote: »

What makes everyone think this is TG4 HD testing ? I haven't seen anything on this test to suggest it is TG4 HD.

On Tuesday it was showing TG4 in HD.

galtee boy

ShaneOC wrote: »

On Tuesday it was showing TG4 in HD.

Ok, good news then, but it's taking a long time to launch and why is it showing so much of that scenery loop instead of running TG4 in HD like you said it did on Tuesday ? It's been testing for quite a while now.

Sam Russell

galtee boy wrote: »

Ok, good news then, but it's taking a long time to launch and why is it showing so much of that scenery loop instead of running TG4 in HD like you said it did on Tuesday ? It's been testing for quite a while now.

1. TG4 +1 is due to go on to LCN 14 if it ever launches.

2. The loop is a RTNL test loop in HD they have used before. This allows them to see the effect of high grade HD on the mux.

3. TG4 has an HD stream 'under test'.

4. 2RN are shouded in secrecy and do not like to show their hand.

5. 2RN do not do anything in a hurry. They do not understand the term 'urgent'.

6. They took years to 'test' digital broadcasting as if they were the first to try it out, then they took years to get to launch it, and then took 17 months before shutting down analogue - about 15 minutes before the last time possible. They then had a second launch of Saorview as if they had not had the first one. Then, for unknown reasons screwed the series link and the basic signal to make non-Saorview kit useless.

Rant over.

G10B

Sam Russell wrote: »

1. TG4 +1 is due to go on to LCN 14 if it ever launches.

2. The loop is a RTNL test loop in HD they have used before. This allows them to see the effect of high grade HD on the mux.

3. TG4 has an HD stream 'under test'.

4. 2RN are shouded in secrecy and do not like to show their hand.

5. 2RN do not do anything in a hurry. They do not understand the term 'urgent'.

6. They took years to 'test' digital broadcasting as if they were the first to try it out, then they took years to get to launch it, and then took 17 months before shutting down analogue - about 15 minutes before the last time possible. They then had a second launch of Saorview as if they had not had the first one. Then, for unknown reasons screwed the series link and the basic signal to make non-Saorview kit useless.

Rant over.

You can add to list the fact that rtenl/2rn had setup audio description settings incorrectly until recently... anyone who turned on AD by accident or on purpose was left with no audio on TV3, 3e, TG4 & UTV Irl.

Sam Russell

G10B wrote: »

You can add to list the fact that rtenl/2rn had setup audio description settings incorrectly until recently... anyone who turned on AD by accident or on purpose was left with no audio on TV3, 3e, TG4 & UTV Irl.

I did not know about that because it did not affect me - sorry for missing it from the list but it true RTNL/2RN style they took ages to fix it.

Gerry Wicklow

Sam Russell wrote: »

I did not know about that because it did not affect me - sorry for missing it from the list but it true RTNL/2RN style they took ages to fix it.

Probably because of the weather, your fault, the manufacturers fault, the government, not 'Saorview Approved', it was the fourth Tuesday of a leap year.............. anything bar 2RNs fault. :rolleyes:

galtee boy

Thanks guys and I agree, anything to do with Saorview moves at the pace of a geriatric snail. I won't expect to see TG4 HD launch anytime soon.

Sam Russell

Gerry Wicklow wrote: »

Probably because of the weather, your fault, the manufacturers fault, the government, not 'Saorview Approved', it was the fourth Tuesday of a leap year.............. anything bar 2RNs fault. :rolleyes:

I tried to find out why the signal had been banjaxed and the only answer I got was 'It only works if the set is
1. Saorview approved
AND
2. Is set to Country = Ireland.

No other reason for the 38 blank channel headers or the two SSB channels in position one of each Mux, both of which screw up the signal for sets with Country = UK or are a bit slow.

Gerry Wicklow

Sam Russell wrote: »

I tried to find out why the signal had been banjaxed and the only answer I got was 'It only works if the set is
1. Saorview approved
AND
2. Is set to Country = Ireland.

No other reason for the 38 blank channel headers or the two SSB channels in position one of each Mux, both of which screw up the signal for sets with Country = UK or are a bit slow.

Well my Samsung TV IS Saorview approved and set to Ireland and yet series linking stopped working when 2RN 'fixed it' :mad:

Sam Russell

Gerry Wicklow wrote: »

Well my Samsung TV IS Saorview approved and set to Ireland and yet series linking stopped working when 2RN 'fixed it' :mad:

As I say, some hidden agenda.

brick man

Just looking at TG4 schedule for Saturday 27th on Saorview EPG and is showing election coverage all day and is also saying Live Pro 12 Rugby at 7pm , via Saorview red button and UPC CH 602. I think this has to be first time red button was used on saorview platform at last

brick man

brick man wrote: »

Just looking at TG4 schedule for Saturday 27th on Saorview EPG and is showing election coverage all day and is also saying Live Pro 12 Rugby at 7pm , via Saorview red button and UPC CH 602. I think this has to be first time red button was used on saorview platform at last

Took a look. Says:

Live coverage of Connacht v Ospreys from the Sportsground in the 16th round of the PRO12. Available on UPC Red Button and Virgin Channel 602.

Error maybe and changed subsequently?

Thurston?

Deleted User wrote: »

Live coverage of Connacht v Ospreys from the Sportsground in the 16th round of the PRO12. Available on UPC Red Button and Virgin Channel 602.

Error maybe and changed subsequently?

They're still in error with mentioning UPC.

brick man

You take a look at Saorview EPG it clearly says via Saorview red button and it shouldn't mention the UPC bit !!! And it is written available on Saorview red button and virgin/UPC CH 602 it was that way this morning and has not changed and UPC virgin is the same thing

brick man

brick man wrote: »

You take a look at Saorview EPG it clearly says via Saorview red button and it shouldn't mention the UPC bit !!! And it is written available on Saorview red button and virgin/UPC CH 602 it was that way this morning and has not changed and UPC virgin is the same thing

Apologies, should have made clear that I looked at TG4's own online schedule:

http://www.tg4.ie/en/schedule/

where for the 27th it mentions the rugby being available on the 'UPC Red Button'.

tom_tarbucket

Hi. Probably wrong forum.

Does Anyone know if TG 4 HD is coming to sky anytime soon ?

Maysa07

There's tests going on all the time on saorview. It's a commercial decision whether TG4 or TV3 go HD on saorview. more cost for them as more bandwidth per Kbps etc...

galtee boy

I think it's time to think about the title of this thread, it's obvious that TG4 is NOT testing on Saorview, if it ever was, apart from one brief sighting weeks ago. That loop of Galway etc is just a HD test and could be used for any channel that might launch in HD, in the meantime it just gives the engineers something to play with out of boredom.

khumbu

The title was accurate when the thread was created. Unfortunately since then the test of live TG4HD ceased & transmission reverted back to the RTENL loop.

h7nlrp2v0g5u48

The four seasons loop has now ceased it's just back to the test card with the clapper sound.

Hibrasil

Channel 14 on Saorview running HD loop (as on previous occasions) once more. Something coming ???

The Cush

Hibrasil wrote: »

Channel 14 on Saorview running HD loop (as on previous occasions) once more. Something coming ???

Unknown, it's been running since the 5th of the month.

lgs 4

Hibrasil wrote: »

Channel 14 on Saorview running HD loop (as on previous occasions) once more. Something coming ???

TG4 HD is a bit like Channel 5 HD is it coming or is it not :mad:

AwaitYourReply

or maybe it's the channel entitled: IRISH TV in HD format?

This channel claims it will launch on the Saorview platform during 2016 although, they have not stated when exactly or in what format (in SD or HD)

Source:
http://blog.irishtv.ie/?paged=2

Gonzo

they need to get this on Sky HD first at least, absolute shame its the only Irish broadcaster not available in HD.

former total

Gonzo wrote: »

they need to get this on Sky HD first at least, absolute shame its the only Irish broadcaster not available in HD.

I presume Sky are the reason for that.

Even the SD picture on Sky is woeful, switched to Saorview for the match last night and there was a very noticeable improvement in picture quality.

phelixoflaherty

I presume they will not be in HD on saorsat.
Have a ka lnb set up on humax foxsat

Sam Russell

Gonzo wrote: »

they need to get this on Sky HD first at least, absolute shame its the only Irish broadcaster not available in HD.

It is a shame that RTE are the only broadcasters available in HD on Saorview.

In fact, that is a disgrace.

FRIENDO

Some extra test channels on Saorsat at the moment. Hopefully this is a good sign for possible new channels

Atlantic Dawn

Are there capacity or cost issues or what's holding it up? Countries sent men to the moon in less time.

Digifriendly

It's now almost 3.5 years since 4 main channels were available in HD on all platforms in UK. IIRC this happened at DSO. Why is ROI taking so long to have TV3/TG4 in HD on all platforms?

JamesyBelfast

Digifriendly wrote: »

It's now almost 3.5 years since 4 main channels were available in HD on all platforms in UK. IIRC this happened at DSO. Why is ROI taking so long to have TV3/TG4 in HD on all platforms?

There's some rigmarole about the cost, which has been discussed and debated on here many times and cited as the main barrier to TV3/TG4/UTVI going HD.

Someone needs to just step in and sort it all out - cos it is a bit of a joke.

Sam Russell

Digifriendly wrote: »

It's now almost 3.5 years since 4 main channels were available in HD on all platforms in UK. IIRC this happened at DSO. Why is ROI taking so long to have TV3/TG4 in HD on all platforms?

This situation has arisen because of the dislike/distaste that the FG government and the Dept have for RTE and the wish to clip their wings.

RTE NL/2RN have been prevented from charging a proper way for DTV, and were forced into the stupid idea that broadcasters had to pay per Mbyte transmitted, instead of defining the minimum bandwidth required to transmit channels. As a result we have fuzzy-vision on TV3, and TG4. The result of this is that for one channel to go HD costs €2.5m while it would only cost €1.6m if all three secondary channels went HD. It would be less if the Oreachtas paid the proper rate for OTV, instead of paying Sky.

In fact the nonsense of our Oreachtas refusing to put the debates of the Dail FTA on the nations DTV service (but pays a foreign TV service to put it behind a pay wall) says a lot about the contempt the politicians have for the people and democracy - but we know all about that given we now have a Provisional Government 100 years after the first one.

RTE are also prevented from moving Children's TV off RTE 2 while being forced to run RTE jr advert free on the children's dedicated channel. RTE are also forced to run RTE NewsNow advert free, and so it is a crap news channel with most broadcasts being simulcasts with RTE One, or repeats.

Currently nearly 50% of Saorview bandwidth is burnt off in test cards and zeros.

Digifriendly

Sam Russell wrote: »

RTE NL/2RN have been prevented from charging a proper way for DTV, and were forced into the stupid idea that broadcasters had to pay per Mbyte transmitted, instead of defining the minimum bandwidth required to transmit channels. As a result we have fuzzy-vision on TV3, and TG4. The result of this is that for one channel to go HD costs €2.5m while it would only cost €1.6m if all three secondary channels went HD. It would be less if the Oreachtas paid the proper rate for OTV, instead of paying Sky.

Tend to agree with this as my TG4 picture from NI Mini-mux (Ch. 39 Black Mountain) seems better than TG4 on Saorview (Ch. 52 Clermont Carn).

TAFKAlawhec

Digifriendly wrote: »

Tend to agree with this as my TG4 picture from NI Mini-mux (Ch. 39 Black Mountain) seems better than TG4 on Saorview (Ch. 52 Clermont Carn).

The three channels (TG4, RTÉ1 & RTÉ2) on the RNI1 (formerly NIMM) multiplex have a picture resolution of 720 x 576 each. TG4 on Soarview however is 544 x 576. It also helps that the channels on the RNI1 mux would be running with an average video bitrate of ~3Mb/s with MPEG4 compression (i.e. same as Saorview).

You'd notice the difference in resolution on TG4 particularly with captions that use solid contrasting colours e.g. on news reports or sport scoreboards. On the NIMM they are visibly more sharply defined, whereas on Saorview they are more blurred.

Digifriendly

TAFKAlawhec wrote: »

The three channels (TG4, RTÉ1 & RTÉ2) on the RNI1 (formerly NIMM) multiplex have a picture resolution of 720 x 576 each. TG4 on Soarview however is 544 x 576. It also helps that the channels on the RNI1 mux would be running with an average video bitrate of ~3Mb/s with MPEG4 compression (i.e. same as Saorview).

You'd notice the difference in resolution on TG4 particularly with captions that use solid contrasting colours e.g. on news reports or sport scoreboards. On the NIMM they are visibly more sharply defined, whereas on Saorview they are more blurred.

Thanks for very clear explanation. Glad to have the alternative of NIMM.

Hibrasil

TAFKAlawhec wrote: »

The three channels (TG4, RTÉ1 & RTÉ2) on the RNI1 (formerly NIMM) multiplex have a picture resolution of 720 x 576 each. TG4 on Soarview however is 544 x 576. .

Apologies for the lack of knowledge.....but what / where is the RNI1 (formerly NIMM). Thanks in advance for updating me!

The Cush

Hibrasil wrote: »

Apologies for the lack of knowledge.....but what / where is the RNI1 (formerly NIMM). Thanks in advance for updating me!

It's the regional mux in NI that carries RTÉ1/2, TG4 and RnaG that launched back in Oct 2012. RTÉ pay it own costs for the mux, TG4 carriage costs are paid for by the UK government as part of the Goof Friday agreement.

Old thread here - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=79018264

lertsnim

Hibrasil wrote: »

Apologies for the lack of knowledge.....but what / where is the RNI1 (formerly NIMM). Thanks in advance for updating me!

Northern Ireland Mini Muxx