Adam Johnson pleads GUILTY

irishgeo

ronjo wrote: »

He is a scumbag alright but are our sentences lighter?
This is far worse

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/two-year-sentence-for-dublin-teacher-who-sexually-abused-boy-10-597083.html

Yes that is far worse but he pleaded guilty. Mr Johnson didn't plead guilty to the 3rd charge he was convicted off and therefore is not going to get any reduction of his sentence.

ronjo

irishgeo wrote: »

Yes that is far worse but he pleaded guilty. Mr Johnson didn't plead guilty to the 3rd charge he was convicted off and therefore is not going to get any reduction of his sentence.

Aha fair point.

fullstop

RoboKlopp wrote: »

If she was 5 he should never get out.

Johnson is getting away lightly imo

If he's looking at 5-10 years he's really not getting away lightly. Look at the case in this link from a few months ago...teaching assistant admits to having sex with a 15 year old schoolboy 50 times and gets off without a custodial sentence!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/schoolboy-groomed-teaching-assistant-we-6536549

mansize

He'll probably get 5 years out in 3 for good behaviour.

I would consider this a reasonable sentence- the judge is far more more learned on this that us and his sentencing will reflect all the factors correctly under law.

The one thing I took from all this is how juvenile and of low intelligence that Johnson appeared

mansize

fullstop wrote: »

If he's looking at 5-10 years he's really not getting away lightly. Look at the case in this link from a few months ago...teaching assistant admits to having sex with a 15 year old schoolboy 50 times and gets off without a custodial sentence!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/schoolboy-groomed-teaching-assistant-we-6536549

She pleaded guilty

fullstop

mansize wrote: »

She pleaded guilty

And what?! She pleaded guilty to having sex with an underage boy multiple times FFS.

armaghlad

fullstop wrote: »

If he's looking at 5-10 years he's really not getting away lightly. Look at the case in this link from a few months ago...teaching assistant admits to having sex with a 15 year old schoolboy 50 times and gets off without a custodial sentence!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/schoolboy-groomed-teaching-assistant-we-6536549

There was a teaching assistant in Belfast about 2/3 years ago who had sex with a pupil who was allegedly 16. Other than be suspended from her job I don't think she was ever charged and any articles relating to it in mainstream media were removed for some reason!

mansize

The twitter trolls that hounded that poor girl though- with some bs story they met in a club so she deceived him and he was the victim were so far off the mark.

She was groomed in the most exploitative way. And then she was hounded on social media. Poor girl.

bucketybuck

mansize wrote: »

She pleaded guilty

Why are you defending the peadophile who raped a young boy 50 times???

mansize

fullstop wrote: »

And what?! She pleaded guilty to having sex with an underage boy multiple times FFS.

She didn't put him through the agony of a trial. If Johnson pleaded guilty much earlier he could have been looking at a non custodial sentence. He allowed the girl to called a liar and be hounded because he claimed he wasn't guilty

A bit more than "so what" tbf

mansize

bucketybuck wrote: »

Why are you defending the peadophile who raped a young boy 50 times???

I'm explaining the reasoning in sentencing - where is the defence???

mansize

bucketybuck wrote: »

Why are you defending the peadophile who raped a young boy 50 times???

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/pshe_and_citizenship/pdf/rape.pdf

FYI

bucketybuck

mansize wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/pshe_and_citizenship/pdf/rape.pdf

FYI

Its disgraceful that you continue to defend and minimise the impact of that womans crime, what if that had been your son?

mansize

bucketybuck wrote: »

Its disgraceful that you continue to defend and minimise the impact of that womans crime, what if that had been your son?

What??? Where am I doing that?
I am clarifying things. I'm not defending anyone

armaghlad

mansize wrote: »

The twitter trolls that hounded that poor girl though- with some bs story they met in a club so she deceived him and he was the victim were so far off the mark.

She was groomed in the most exploitative way. And then she was hounded on social media. Poor girl.

While I will probably be blamed of defending AJ (which I'm not, he deserves to go down) the girl has to accept some responsibility as to how things panned out for her prior to the arrest.

At 15 and 16 years of age you may be naive and impressionable but you are not ****ing stupid. Almost bragging to your friends and showing up to his house drunk and taking snapchats outside it surely had some bearing on the rumours that emerged and circulated among her school friends and on Facebook.

mansize

armaghlad wrote: »

While I will probably be blamed of defending AJ (which I'm not, he deserves to go down) the girl has to accept some responsibility as to how things panned out for her prior to the arrest.

At 15 and 16 years of age you may be naive and impressionable but you are not ****ing stupid. Almost bragging to your friends and showing up to his house drunk and taking snapchats outside it surely had some bearing on the rumours that emerged and circulated among her school friends and on Facebook.

So what are you saying? She deserved the vilification on social media?

It is 15 btw, not 15/16- all of this happened when she was 15

Darkglasses

armaghlad wrote: »

While I will probably be blamed of defending AJ (which I'm not, he deserves to go down) the girl has to accept some responsibility as to how things panned out for her prior to the arrest.

At 15 and 16 years of age you may be naive and impressionable but you are not ****ing stupid. Almost bragging to your friends and showing up to his house drunk and taking snapchats outside it surely had some bearing on the rumours that emerged and circulated among her school friends and on Facebook.

Completely disagree. This is the reason that there are child protection laws in place at all - When people like Johnson are grooming minors for sexual activity, you can't expect them to know how to deal with it responsibly. I have no idea how you expect her to react really. 15 is very young to be targeted by a professional footballer, too young. She's not legally responsible.

armaghlad

mansize wrote: »

So what are you saying? She deserved the vilification on social media?

It is 15 btw, not 15/16- all of this happened when she was 15

Of course she didn't deserve it. I'm saying she is partially to blame for it. I think she should have had some cop on in that regard. And I think that's a fair comment.

Ashbourne hoop

Some of the posts on this thread are insane, even by Boards soccer standards. Johnson groomed and sexually abused this child, and she was a child. These are the cold facts of the case, everything else is pure whataboutery. Johnson was fully aware of the child's age, even going as far as to google the age of consent, and continued to use her for his own gratification, with the intention of going further. And yes Johnson being a famous footballer should be taken into consideration, as Johnson was aware he was her favourite player, and used that to his own means.
Comments like "sure he only dropped the hand" are sickening to be honest. I'd advise anyone with that opinion to read the girl's statement to see the damage that Johnson has done to this girl. I feel a sentence of up to 5 years would be completely justifiable in my opinion.

Ashbourne hoop

Armaghlad the age of consent is there for a reason, and this girl had yet to reach it, a fact Johnson was FULLY aware of.

armaghlad

Darkglasses wrote: »

Completely disagree. This is the reason that there are child protection laws in place at all - When people like Johnson are grooming minors for sexual activity, you can't expect them to know how to deal with it responsibly. I have no idea how you expect her to react really. 15 is very young to be targeted by a professional footballer, too young. She's not legally responsible.

I'm not saying she's legally responsible. I'm saying that when her school friends set up a Facebook group about her and AJ that her actions had some bearing on that.

I remember being 15, ok I wasn't the most mature but I wasn't an idiot. Girls at that age can be head over heels for an older guy* (I lost my first gf at that age to some 21 year old cnut with a green 106) so it would appear there was an element of "showing off" to her friends re the snapchats and landing at his house. This lead to the snowball effect of it being discussed in school and spreading onto twitter. Do you think the predatory relationship would have continued if her friends/school pals didn't know? Do you think she would have informed her parents/police? In hindsight it's probably a good thing that she did; and while is clearly the victim and I sympathise, she has to bear some responsibility for the social media side of things.

*AJ is clearly not just an "older guy" in this instance

mansize

armaghlad wrote: »

Of course she didn't deserve it. I'm saying she is partially to blame for it. I think she should have had some cop on in that regard. And I think that's a fair comment.

I certainly can't agree with that. The purpose of grooming is to make the victim acquiesce

armaghlad

Ashbourne hoop wrote: »

Armaghlad the age of consent is there for a reason, and this girl had yet to reach it, a fact Johnson was FULLY aware of.

I'm aware of the details of the case.

armaghlad

mansize wrote: »

I certainly can't agree with that. The purpose of grooming is to make the victim acquiesce

Is telling all your friends and snapchatting them outside his house acquiescing?

Darkglasses

armaghlad wrote: »

I remember being 15, ok I wasn't the most mature but I wasn't an idiot. Girls at that age can be head over heels for an older guy* (I lost my first gf at that age to some 21 year old cnut with a green 106) so it would appear there was an element of "showing off" to her friends re the snapchats and landing at his house. This lead to the snowball effect of it being discussed in school and spreading onto twitter. Do you think the predatory relationship would have continued if her friends/school pals didn't know? Do you think she would have informed her parents/police? In hindsight it's probably a good thing that she did; and while is clearly the victim and I sympathise, she has to bear some responsibility for the social media side of things.

*AJ is clearly not just an "older guy" in this instance

When you were 15 if a 28 year old, world-famous attractive woman had been grooming you and encouraging you to do everything this girl did, would you have done it? I would have at 15. How you behave in a relationship with another 15 year old at that age is so different it's irrelevant in my opinion.

Yes, I 100% believe that the predatory relationship would have continued even if she had kept it a secret from her friends and family. I'm disturbed that you think she had some control over the situation, and that she kept it going for the sake of showing off to her family.

mansize

armaghlad wrote: »

Is telling all your friends and snapchatting them outside his house acquiescing?

She was 15, I imagine that's how they communicate. She made him aware of her age but he ignored it and convinced her it was irrelevant

bucketybuck

mansize wrote: »

What??? Where am I doing that?
I am clarifying things. I'm not defending anyone

Apologies, but unless you forcefully denounced Johnson without any equivocation whatever that was the type of response you could expect in this thread.

armaghlad

Darkglasses wrote: »

When you were 15 if a 28 year old, world-famous attractive woman had been grooming you and encouraging you to do everything this girl did, would you have done it? I would have at 15. How you behave in a relationship with another 15 year old at that age is so different it's irrelevant in my opinion.

Yes, I 100% believe that the predatory relationship would have continued even if she had kept it a secret from her friends and family. I'm disturbed that you think she had some control over the situation, and that she kept it going for the sake of showing off to her family.

I don't think she had control over the situation. She was infatuated with her hero and he abused this position. What she did have control over was landing up at his house drunk and taking snapchats and telling her friends. I think any teenager who uses social media would have at least some inkling that such information would spread like wild fire.

If I was in a similar position as the victim I'd say I'd have done whatever the female predator wanted. But then again that isnt comparable because when I was 15 my sole purpose in life was to lose my v card; so I don't think I'd have done anything that would have jeopardised that.

Laois_Man

Whats the story with AJ being allowed to go home until his sentence hearing. It's been the same for some celebrities caught in the Operation Yewtree investigation who were let go home after being found guilty...Rolf Harris I think it was did a big show arriving to his sentencing hearing on a boat. Is that the way it's done for everyone over there or are rich people given special treatment? I think in Ireland, when you're found guilty on a crime that has a mandatory sentence, you're cuffed and put in a Garda van straight away.

monkey9

Ashbourne hoop wrote: »

Some of the posts on this thread are insane, even by Boards soccer standards. Johnson groomed and sexually abused this child, and she was a child. These are the cold facts of the case, everything else is pure whataboutery. Johnson was fully aware of the child's age, even going as far as to google the age of consent, and continued to use her for his own gratification, with the intention of going further. And yes Johnson being a famous footballer should be taken into consideration, as Johnson was aware he was her favourite player, and used that to his own means.
Comments like "sure he only dropped the hand" are sickening to be honest. I'd advise anyone with that opinion to read the girl's statement to see the damage that Johnson has done to this girl. I feel a sentence of up to 5 years would be completely justifiable in my opinion.

Going by some of the posts, hopefully this thread has taught some people that to sexually abuse a minor is wrong and they can expect a harsher punishment than they thought possible or warranted.