Motor tax for a 2007 based on CO2

vjmcdonnell

I just imported a 2007 from the UK and am wondering if I can tax it for CO2 and not engine size.
I went to tax it today and it was based on engine size.
Can it be charged to CO2 due to the fact that it's first registration was in 2016, in Ireland.

bazz26

No, it goes on when the car was first originally registered irrespective of the country of registration, not just when it was first registered in Ireland. So a 2007 will be taxed based on engine size here.

Fiskar

OP, when the Green Party come knocking on your door you might bring up that anomaly. I have a 2007 car, if I waited 6 months I would be paying half the road tax I currently am for the exact same car.

vjmcdonnell

Does anyone know where I can get the legislation, wouldn't mind a read of it. As I paid Vehicle REGISTRATION Tax in 2016 and this was the first time REGISTERED in Ireland.

Want to read the actual law just to check the wording

vjmcdonnell

Double Post

Atlantic Dawn

The basics...

https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/menu.do?page=motortaxrates

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Motor Tax System

The licencing for motor tax of new cars registered from 1st July 2008 is determined on the basis of the CO2 emissions level of the car, based on seven CO2 bands. The rates range from 100 euro a year for the greenest cars to 2,000 euro for cars with the highest emissions rating.
New cars registered between 1 January 2008 and 30 June 2008 initially had their motor tax charged on the basis of engine size. If it was beneficial for these cars to switch to the CO2 based motor tax system, this was effected on the first renewal of motor tax after 1 July 2008. New cars which were registered in the first six months of 2008 whose tax would be more under the CO2 based system will continue to pay motor tax on the basis of engine size.

Neilw

Your VLC will have two dates on it, date of first registration, and date of first registration in Ireland.

For motor tax it will be based on the cars date of first registration (2007) not when it was registered here.

Neilw

Your VLC will have two dates on it, date of first registration, and date of first registration in Ireland.

For motor tax it will be based on the cars date of first registration (2007) not when it was registered here.


What is it with this site recently, it's near impossible to post a single reply!

vjmcdonnell

I see the mention of new cars, not imports. Which are new to this country

vjmcdonnell

Cause the first registration of the car was 2016, when I paid the VRT

shietpilot

vjmcdonnell wrote: »

I see the mention of new cars, not imports. Which are new to this country

Cars First Registered Outside Ireland
A private car first registered abroad prior to 1 January 2008 will be taxed on engine
size (cc). The new CO2 based system does not apply to second-hand imports that were
registered abroad prior to 2008.
A private car first registered abroad between 1 January 2008 and 30 June 2008
inclusive and subsequently registered in Ireland will be taxed on whichever is the lesser
of the motor tax rates based engine (cc) or CO2 emissions.
A private car first registered abroad after 1 July 2008 and subsequently registered in
Ireland will be taxed on the CO2 rate.

https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/pdf/co2_emissions_rates_2009_en.pdf

vjmcdonnell

Does it actually specifically state the new cars relate to the year of manufacture. Cause u can read new to this country!!!!

vjmcdonnell

Oh Dam, I HATE THIS DUMP OF A COUNTRY

vjmcdonnell

Thanks for the info sheitpilot

Neilw

vjmcdonnell wrote: »

Cause the first registration of the car was 2016, when I paid the VRT

That's the date of first registration in Ireland, it was first registered (elsewhere) back in 2007.

savagethegoat

stamping feet after the event is not as good as checking the facts before purchase.

vjmcdonnell

Sorry but the rules don't make sense. If my car was a year younger I would be paying half the tax. I admit I didn't realise that.

What a country

Guy:Incognito

vjmcdonnell wrote: »

Sorry but the rules don't make sense. If my car was a year younger I would be paying half the tax. I admit I didn't realise that.

What a country

The uks tax rates changed around 01 too so theres 2 rates there.

If the rate for the 07 was dignificantly lower than the 08 would you still want it to be the same becuase you brought it in this year or is it just becuase it works out in your favour?

Cee-Jay-Cee

The irish motor tax system really is an ill thought out seriously flawed and unfair system and its no wonder the shower of cretins that introduced it are no longer in existence however it really should be overhauled. If someone is able to show the CO rate for their car regardless of when it was first registered then they should be allowed to pay the CO rate of tax.

fancy pigeon

There was a 2007 530d taxed on the cc system for sale a few years back, I dont know if that was a fiddle or a mistake in office (more than likely a fiddle)

CJhaughey

I remember when the Green Party introduced the current mess of a system, people that bought a diesel in 07 were disgusted as six months later the same car could cost half the tax.
Its very poor and arbitrary to make the cutoff so distinct, if evidence is there regarding C0² emissions it should be able to be utilised otherwise it just makes a mockery of the whole system.

shietpilot

fancy pigeon wrote: »

There was a 2007 530d taxed on the cc system for sale a few years back, I dont know if that was a fiddle or a mistake in office (more than likely a fiddle)

If it was first registered in 2008 it will be on the CO system.

My Focus is technically a (late) 2007 built car. It was first registered on 28th January 2008 in the UK. Someone imported it to Ireland at the end of 2008 and it got the CO rate because it was first registered in 2008 and not 2007

bmstuff

shietpilot wrote: »

If it was first registered in 2008 it will be on the CC system.

In that case the reg plate would have been 08 - X - XYZ
But it was a 2007 reg.

colm_mcm

it was an 07 imported in July 08 and was an error by someone not familiar with registering cars

mickdw

vjmcdonnell wrote: »

Oh Dam, I HATE THIS DUMP OF A COUNTRY

Ah catch on to yourself. This is broadly known and there are many instances of how unfair it is. If you were not aware of this well known cut off and the repercussions of it, one could argue that you should not have been going about the business of importing a car at all. As this cut off doesn't exist in the uk, there is negligible price difference between the 07 and 08 models. If fact if you found a late 57 plate 08 car in the uk, you could have had the 08 for no extra money over a similar 57 plate registered in 07.
Surely every motorist in the country has heard something about 08 diesels at this stage.

fancy pigeon

shietpilot wrote: »

If it was first registered in 2008 it will be on the CC system.

My Focus is technically a (late) 2007 built car. It was first registered on 28th January 2008 in the UK. Someone imported it to Ireland at the end of 2008 and it got the CC rate because it was first registered in 2008 and not 2007

It was a 2007 registered car on the cc system

As in 07D xxxxx on €736 tax or whatever it was at the time

It was well talked about and I'm sure I'm not the only one who knows about it

Edit: here we are here

bazz26

vjmcdonnell wrote: »

Sorry but the rules don't make sense. If my car was a year younger I would be paying half the tax. I admit I didn't realise that.

What a country

2008 is the cut off year and has been since it was introduced 8 years ago. And to be fair, it's hardly secret or hard to find information. Also not every car automatically had cheaper tax on the new system, it depended on the car's co2 emissions.

Guy:Incognito

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

If someone is able to show the CO rate for their car regardless of when it was first registered then they should be allowed to pay the CO rate of tax.

and should the government equally be able to just bump you up to the top rate if your car has high c02?

CJhaughey

bazz26 wrote: »

2008 is the cut off year and has been since it was introduced 8 years ago. And to be fair, it's hardly secret or hard to find information. Also not every car automatically had cheaper tax on the new system, it depended on the car's co2 emissions.

I had a look at a Suzuki Jimney 08 reg lately, the tax on the 1.3 was €750!
Absolute stupidity really. This is the green party's legacy for most people and all right thinking motorists would do well to remember this as the death of any kind of performance petrol car in Ireland.

mickdw

CJhaughey wrote: »

I had a look at a Suzuki Jimney 08 reg lately, the tax on the 1.3 was €750!
Absolute stupidity really. This is the green party's legacy for most people and all right thinking motorists would do well to remember this as the death of any kind of performance petrol car in Ireland.

Yes the out and out performance stuff will be top bracket at 2300. Still the emissions tax system together with the silly way emissions are measured now means that alot of quite nice powerful stuff can be taxed under 750 quid.

boardsuser1

The UK system is March to september and vice versa.

CJhaughey

mickdw wrote: »

Yes the out and out performance stuff will be top bracket at 2300. Still the emissions tax system together with the silly way emissions are measured now means that alot of quite nice powerful stuff can be taxed under 750 quid.

Yes, performance diesels are handy taxed these days but its just such a shame that you couldn't even think about a nice Legacy 2.5 or similar.
People should be able to buy and affordably tax what they want, sure you could have a high rate band like 1000 euro for bigger engines with higher Co² outputs but the current system makes it more or less unaffordable for anyone bar the super rich.
If the Greens had their way we would all be driving Hybrids or Electric vehicles.

9935452

fancy pigeon wrote: »

It was a 2007 registered car on the cc system

As in 07D xxxxx on €736 tax or whatever it was at the time

It was well talked about and I'm sure I'm not the only one who knows about it

Edit: here we are here

You have me slightly confused here. I think you are getting CC and CO confused.As a 07 the BMW should have been registered on the cc but ended up being registered on thte co2

mickdw

CJhaughey wrote: »

Yes, performance diesels are handy taxed these days but its just such a shame that you couldn't even think about a nice Legacy 2.5 or similar.
People should be able to buy and affordably tax what they want, sure you could have a high rate band like 1000 euro for bigger engines with higher Co² outputs but the current system makes it more or less unaffordable for anyone bar the super rich.
If the Greens had their way we would all be driving Hybrids or Electric vehicles.

Some nice petrols are easy taxed too.
I just looked there at audi A7 3.0 Tfsi - 750 tax same as new bmw 630i

vjmcdonnell

mickdw wrote: »

Ah catch on to yourself. This is broadly known and there are many instances of how unfair it is. If you were not aware of this well known cut off and the repercussions of it, one could argue that you should not have been going about the business of importing a car at all. As this cut off doesn't exist in the uk, there is negligible price difference between the 07 and 08 models. If fact if you found a late 57 plate 08 car in the uk, you could have had the 08 for no extra money over a similar 57 plate registered in 07.
Surely every motorist in the country has heard something about 08 diesels at this stage.

No I never heard of this before as this is my first diesel, still a dump of a country though

fancy pigeon

9935452 wrote: »

You have me slightly confused here. I think you are getting CC and CO confused.As a 07 the BMW should have been registered on the cc but ended up being registered on thte co2

Me and my hangover

Yes, it was a 2007 car that was on the CO2 system on 07 D plates

Henry Ford III

Would it be just as much a dump of a country had you not made your awful mistake though?

colm_mcm

maybe emigrate to the uk. everybody's loaded over there too because they don't pay tax

vjmcdonnell

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Would it be just as much a dump off a country had you not made your awful mistake though?

Yes, very much. Hospitals and Education are a joke. i wont go on as not the correct forum.

I have been call this place a dump of a country for years, love the country but it is ran really really bad.

Special Circumstances

vjmcdonnell wrote: »

Yes, very much. Hospitals and Education are a joke. i wont go on as not the correct forum.

I have been call this place a dump of a country for years, love the country but it is ran really really bad.

I'd add justice system to that too, but as you say - topic for a different forum.

vjmcdonnell

I didn't know and that 2007 would be Taxed on Engine size but i forgot where I lived.

Henry Ford III

vjmcdonnell wrote: »

I didn't know and that 2007 would be Taxed on Engine size but i forgot where I lived.

Hopefully it's a lovely car and the higher road tax can be forgotten.

millington

fancy pigeon wrote: »

It was a 2007 registered car on the cc system

As in 07D xxxxx on €736 tax or whatever it was at the time

It was well talked about and I'm sure I'm not the only one who knows about it

Edit: here we are here

It has Co2 tax not CC tax! Thats the issue! :rolleyes:

Cee-Jay-Cee

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

and should the government equally be able to just bump you up to the top rate if your car has high c02?

No, of course not. What I mean is, for example, an 06 or 07 Accord 2.2 diesel has an identical engine to an 08 car yet tax is almost 3 times as much. They have manufacturer figures for that engine/car so should tax them all at the same rate. It's absolutely ludicrous that one cost €950 to tax and the other €390 when both are identical!

Guy:Incognito

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

No, of course not. What I mean is, for example, an 06 or 07 Accord 2.2 diesel has an identical engine to an 08 car yet tax is almost 3 times as much. They have manufacturer figures for that engine/car so should tax them all at the same rate. It's absolutely ludicrous that one cost €950 to tax and the other €390 when both are identical!

Why of course not?

I knew exactly what you meant. You'd like the better deal if it suits you but not be able to be screwed if it doesnt. . There are plenty of cars that work the other way and if they were on the Co2 system would jump straight to one of the top rates, so why should the government not be able to hike the rate of your high co2 2007 car but you should be able to take advantage of the lower rate because you want to?

A new system came in and everyone wasnt retrospectively made pay higher or lower rates on their existing cars. Anyone buying new cars from then on had a choice. My 1.8 petrol xantia would have doubled in tax if I'd been moved from the cc rates to the co2 rates for example.

bear1

vjmcdonnell wrote: »

Yes, very much. Hospitals and Education are a joke. i wont go on as not the correct forum.

I have been call this place a dump of a country for years, love the country but it is ran really really bad.

You call it a dump but you love it. Riight. I suggest you go and live in some other countries and see what things there are like.
You made a mistake, it's hardly the Governments fault is it? Yes, an idea was introduced and implemented badly but surely to God one would think about checking how much the car would cost to tax in the country it's being registered in.
Did you just guess the tax?
If you are annoyed at the rate you are paying then that must mean that you somewhat knew of the system.
No one seems to have asked this, but what car did you import and what engine?

vjmcdonnell

I'm not going to get into a political argument.

Seat Leon 2.0 TDI

vjmcdonnell

I'm not going to get into a political argument.

Seat Leon 2.0 TDI

boardsuser1

vjmcdonnell wrote: »

I'm not going to get into a political argument.

Seat Leon 2.0 TDI

I was looking at a 2007 1.9tdi leon until recently. Yer man wanted too much for it as a 2007 with the huge tax. Would a 2008 have cost you much more OP?

fancy pigeon

millington wrote: »

It has Co2 tax not CC tax! Thats the issue! :rolleyes:

That was a typo from me! Thats the issue

bear1

vjmcdonnell wrote: »

I'm not going to get into a political argument.

Seat Leon 2.0 TDI

So it would be 320e less on the co2 system.