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Am I mad to change to the same year as my car

  • 06-02-2016 3:04pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭


    hi guys looking for a bit of help.currently drive a 07 vectra and have my heart set a 5 series 520d.went looking this morning and went to see it. its also a 07 fully kitted out msport in mint condition.drives like a dream and 2 owners and only 91000 miles.am i mad let me know thanks guys


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,363 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    A 5 Series is in a different league to a Vectra imo irrespective of what year they both are.

    One thing you need to be aware of though is depending on what engine is fitted to the 520d they can and do suffer from timing chain problems. If it's the 177bhp version then then look for evidence that the timing chain has been replaced at this stage. If its the older 163bhp engine then it doesn't have the same issue, both engines were sold in 2007.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭alanhiggyno1


    bazz26 wrote: »
    A 5 Series is in a different league to a Vectra imo irrespective of what year they both are.

    One thing you need to be aware of though is depending on what engine is fitted to the 520d they can and do suffer from timing chain problems. If it's the 177bhp version then then look for evidence that the timing chain has been replaced at this stage. If its the older 163bhp engine then it doesn't have the same issue, both engines were sold in 2007.
    Ya garage says its done.I'm going down again Monday to check it out fully..I just might go for it.I'm in 2 minds


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,006 ✭✭✭bmwguy


    I have gone backwards in years twice so I'll tell you to go for it. Who cares about the reg number?

    Weigh everything else up though. A work colleague has an 07 vectra and I personally don't like it one little bit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,363 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Well if there is evidence of it being done then that's a good start. Maybe try and get an extended test drive on it and see if you are happy with it. The M Sport came with a lowered stiffer suspension along with run flat tyres so make sure you can live with the firmer ride compared to your Vectra.

    Also make sure that the idrive infotainment system is working correctly as these are known to die after a certain length of time and are pretty expensive to replace. If it has factory bluetooth make sure this is working also as the module is in the boot and can die if there is a leak. Also make sure any warnings on the dash are not fobbed off by the seller, these cars can light up like a Christmas tree as they age and not always cheap to fix. If fact if you can get the car scanned or checked out either by a local BMW indy with diagnostic software or a main dealer then it's well worth it imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,700 ✭✭✭goochy


    No comparison . But as long as you don't expect similar running costs !! Best of luck.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭alanhiggyno1


    bmwguy wrote: »
    I have gone backwards in years twice so I'll tell you to go for it. Who cares about the reg number?

    Weigh everything else up though. A work colleague has an 07 vectra and I personally don't like it one little bit.

    Ya has this veccy 2 yrs now and always wanted a 520d.I know bout the timing chain and the Bluetooth thanks.I'm gonna give it a good proper test on Monday. He is looking for 9k cash with my own. Is that a good deal for same yr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭The Bishop Basher


    You're not mad at all. If you want a 520d and have the means to change then why not ??

    Had a couple of 5'ers over the years. Beautiful cars. Never had a 2.0 but the wife has 2.0 e90 and it's well pokey. Pleasure to drive.

    Only problem then is once you start driving beemers you may never go back.

    Enjoy !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭alanhiggyno1


    Swanner wrote: »
    You're not mad at all. If you want a 520d and have the means to change then why not ??

    Had a couple of 5'ers over the years. Beautiful cars. Never had a 2.0 but the wife has 2.0 e90 and it's well pokey. Pleasure to drive.

    Only problem then is once you start driving beemers you may never go back.

    Enjoy !!
    U think the price is OK though?9k with my own


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 889 ✭✭✭hi_im_fil


    Ya has this veccy 2 yrs now and always wanted a 520d.I know bout the timing chain and the Bluetooth thanks.I'm gonna give it a good proper test on Monday. He is looking for 9k cash with my own. Is that a good deal for same yr

    I'm not clued up on prices of that type of car but that seems very expensive to me! Your car must be worth 2-3k? So that values that 520d at 11-12k?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭The Bishop Basher


    U think the price is OK though?9k with my own

    A quick look on carsireland would suggest it's there or there abouts. Maybe a little steep and certainly worth looking for abetted deal.

    Other option would be to flog the vectra on done deal and go back for a cash price.

    Ultimately it's worth what you're prepared to pay.

    It's a big step up in refinement and quality.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭The Bishop Basher


    hi_im_fil wrote: »
    I'm not clued up on prices of that type of car but that seems very expensive to me! Your car must be worth 2-3k? So that values that 520d at 11-12k?

    Carsireland shows the vectras at about 3 grand. 520's are selling for between 8 and 10 so seems at the high end alright.

    A lot would depend on the condition and extras on the 520.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭alanhiggyno1


    Swanner wrote: »
    A quick look on carsireland would suggest it's there or there abouts. Maybe a little steep and certainly worth looking for abetted deal.

    Other option would be to flog the vectra on done deal and go back for a cash price.

    Ultimately it's worth what you're prepared to pay.

    It's a big step up in refinement and quality.

    Don't think it would sell on done deal quickly.wonder would he take 8k cash or 8500.cash is king right??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭The Bishop Basher


    Don't think it would sell on done deal quickly.wonder would he take 8k cash or 8500.cash is king right??

    You'll definitely get a better deal paying cash.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 982 ✭✭✭VincePP


    I'd be suspicious about 90k mileage in 9 years for such a car - its hardly the type you use just now and then

    Possibly it is genuine, but I'd be checking the service history in full.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭alanhiggyno1


    VincePP wrote: »
    I'd be suspicious about 90k mileage in 9 years for such a car - its hardly the type you use just now and then

    Possibly it is genuine, but I'd be checking the service history in full.

    I will be doing just that.what should I offer as a good cash price


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,363 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Cash or straight deal is only king when you have no trade-in. You should try and negotiate a better cost to change price but ultimately the deal will not be as good as going in buying it straight out without a trade in. A 9 year old Vectra is probably worth very little to the dealer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭alanhiggyno1


    bazz26 wrote: »
    Cash or straight deal is only king when you have no trade-in. You should try and negotiate a better cost to change price but ultimately the deal will not be as good as going in buying it straight out without a trade in. A 9 year old Vectra is probably worth very little to the dealer.

    Ok I'm try offer 8k cash on Monday and see where we go from there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,578 ✭✭✭monkeysnapper


    I took 3000 from sale of my Audi avant 03 1.9tdi and bought a 06 Citroen c4 for 2000 . I call this going massively down hill .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭alanhiggyno1


    I took 3000 from sale of my Audi avant 03 1.9tdi and bought a 06 Citroen c4 for 2000 . I call this going massively down hill .

    So I think I'll be going uphill so ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭zl1whqvjs75cdy


    It's a big step up from a vectra to a 5 series. If you like it, go for it. All this keeping up with the Jones' by having a newer reg car is a load of ****e. If it's well looked after the year doesn't matter a jot.


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  • Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's a big step up from a vectra to a 5 series. If you like it, go for it. All this keeping up with the Jones' by having a newer reg car is a load of ****e. If it's well looked after the year doesn't matter a jot.

    Agreeing with this. But remember, you are buying a car that will be 10 years old next year, and any car that age can hide problems, and with BMW expensive problems.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭alanhiggyno1


    Agreeing with this. But remember, you are buying a car that will be 10 years old next year, and any car that age can hide problems, and with BMW expensive problems.

    Ya that's the other side lol that's why a full history is so important. What else is good for 9k to buy.something with all the bells and whistles lol


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,006 ✭✭✭bmwguy


    I would go for the 5 series but he is offering you virtually nothing for your vectra. You can do better money wise than this deal but remember the timing chain issue and verify its been done don't just take his word for it and think a 3 or 6 month warranty will cover you


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,006 ✭✭✭bmwguy


    Is your vectra a petrol? You might look at a petrol 5 series, it will be heavier on fuel but you will get a very good one for a lot cheaper than a very good diesel. They are better cars and if your mileage is low to average, overall cost of ownership might be lower too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,099 ✭✭✭johndaman66


    Don't think it would sell on done deal quickly.wonder would he take 8k cash or 8500.cash is king right??


    Hmm, I would hardly think he'll take 8k or 8,500 cash if he's looking for €9k with your own...


    Cash is king....you do know that "cash is king" means straight sale...no trade in taken?


    Personally I dont think theres any value there. Surely at that money/ year you should be looking past the badge and aiming for a 2008 upwards for the cheaaaper tax...if it has to be the devils juice that is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭alanhiggyno1


    bmwguy wrote: »
    Is your vectra a petrol? You might look at a petrol 5 series, it will be heavier on fuel but you will get a very good one for a lot cheaper than a very good diesel. They are better cars and if your mileage is low to average, overall cost of ownership might be lower too

    Mines a diesel too.I'll check those too cheers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭alanhiggyno1


    Hmm, I would hardly think he'll take 8k or 8,500 cash if he's looking for €9k with your own...


    Cash is king....you do know that "cash is king" means straight sale...no trade in taken?


    Personally I dont think theres any value there. Surely at that money/ year you should be looking past the badge and aiming for a 2008 upwards for the cheaaaper tax...if it has to be the devils juice that is.

    Ya am gonna look for a 08 I decided. I'll bide my time 1 will come along soon I hope


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,099 ✭✭✭johndaman66


    Ya am gonna look for a 08 I decided. I'll bide my time 1 will come along soon I hope


    How about the likes of this (as an example).


    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/09-supurb/8026492


    Although the mileage is highish - I can see from the pic of the binnacle 296,012 km (why people cant mark that in on ad is beyond me) it does look clean. If it had a service history it might be a better bet than a lower mileage car without. They appear to be willing to accept a trade in too. You would be going up 2 years from the Vectra also (not that thats your mandate).


    The skoda is in my opinion a very respectable car. In a sense a 520 diesel screams to me that the owner wants to be seen driving a high end car but cant really afford one either as at the end of the day its only got a relatively small 2.0 litre diesel engine (2.0 diesel engine being in many run of the mill family saloons these days).


    *Just throwing the Skoda out there as an example of what I think you should be aiming to do. Maybe don't necessairly get too focused by the car in hand either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,035 ✭✭✭goz83


    How about the likes of this (as an example).


    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/09-supurb/8026492


    Although the mileage is highish - I can see from the pic of the binnacle 296,012 km (why people cant mark that in on ad is beyond me) it does look clean. If it had a service history it might be a better bet than a lower mileage car without. They appear to be willing to accept a trade in too. You would be going up 2 years from the Vectra also (not that thats your mandate).


    The skoda is in my opinion a very respectable car. In a sense a 520 diesel screams to me that the owner wants to be seen driving a high end car but cant really afford one either as at the end of the day its only got a relatively small 2.0 litre diesel engine (2.0 diesel engine being in many run of the mill family saloons these days).


    *Just throwing the Skoda out there as an example of what I think you should be aiming to do. Maybe don't necessairly get too focused by the car in hand either.

    Bit judgemental of anyone driving a 520d. Ever considered that many driving them might not have the same opinion as you?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,006 ✭✭✭bmwguy


    goz83 wrote: »
    Bit judgemental of anyone driving a 520d. Ever considered that many driving them might not have the same opinion as you?

    A superb or mondeo with a 2.0d is seen as a fantastic top end car and a 520d is seen as a piddly little engine despite having more power than both.

    Similarly the bashing of 4 cylinder bmws, despite the fact that there are 6 cylinder versions of other cars available and are presumably smoother and more powerful nobody recommends buying a 6 cylinder ford/vw/skoda. Strange. I have a 6 cylinder petrol 5 series but I had 4 cylinder engines before and found them perfectly fine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    I know a man that traded a 04 golf for a 04 316 bmw in 2008 for 14k with the golf. The bmw was the old square shape because his missus preferred it. Crazy price.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 Kev1nDonn


    Definitely MAD but it is in our DNA! Us men are born mad and never change. Just buy the car before a sensible woman talks you out of it :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,323 ✭✭✭MarkN


    How about the likes of this (as an example).


    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/09-supurb/8026492


    Although the mileage is highish - I can see from the pic of the binnacle 296,012 km (why people cant mark that in on ad is beyond me) it does look clean. If it had a service history it might be a better bet than a lower mileage car without. They appear to be willing to accept a trade in too. You would be going up 2 years from the Vectra also (not that thats your mandate).


    The skoda is in my opinion a very respectable car. In a sense a 520 diesel screams to me that the owner wants to be seen driving a high end car but cant really afford one either as at the end of the day its only got a relatively small 2.0 litre diesel engine (2.0 diesel engine being in many run of the mill family saloons these days).


    *Just throwing the Skoda out there as an example of what I think you should be aiming to do. Maybe don't necessairly get too focused by the car in hand either.

    So a new €60-70,000 520d is someone who can't really afford a BMW?! Seems pretty daft. I know the OP isn't talking about new but so what? Far nicer car to own than most Skodas. You're also suggesting the guy should buy one with near 300,000kms on it. Well minded or not, that's a lot of wear & tear.

    OP don't get too hung up on the 2008 tax, the pre 08 ones will be cheaper to buy and if it's auto you're talking, you might save yourself €300 a year in road tax but you might pay €3,000 more for the car.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭alanhiggyno1


    MarkN wrote: »
    So a new €60-70,000 520d is someone who can't really afford a BMW?! Seems pretty daft. I know the OP isn't talking about new but so what? Far nicer car to own than most Skodas. You're also suggesting the guy should buy one with near 300,000kms on it. Well minded or not, that's a lot of wear & tear.

    OP don't get too hung up on the 2008 tax, the pre 08 ones will be cheaper to buy and if it's auto you're talking, you might save yourself €300 a year in road tax but you might pay €3,000 more for the car.

    How wud I save 300 hundred a year driving a auto..mind u the autos are suppose to be great.I'm still on 2 minds but defo a beemer over a Skoda anyday in my mind anyway


  • Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MarkN wrote: »
    So a new €60-70,000 520d is someone who can't really afford a BMW?! .

    I agree the post is preetydaft, but he did not post can not afford BMW, he say can not afford high end car. I think you would agree, even among BMW models 520d is not high end.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭alanhiggyno1


    I agree the post is preetydaft, but he did not post can not afford BMW, he say can not afford high end car. I think you would agree, even among BMW models 520d is not high end.

    ya u would to buy 50k car i think and cant afford a high end thats why ive around 9500 to spend on 8yr old high end bmw


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,323 ✭✭✭MarkN


    How wud I save 300 hundred a year driving a auto..mind u the autos are suppose to be great.I'm still on 2 minds but defo a beemer over a Skoda anyday in my mind anyway

    I just meant the tax on an auto 520d post 08 is €390ish and on a pre 08 is €700 odd.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭alanhiggyno1


    MarkN wrote: »
    I just meant the tax on an auto 520d post 08 is €390ish and on a pre 08 is €700 odd.

    I know its mad.looking at a few more in morning. Looking at 2 in Munster trade sales just to see and try my luck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,099 ✭✭✭johndaman66


    goz83 wrote: »
    Bit judgemental of anyone driving a 520d. Ever considered that many driving them might not have the same opinion as you?


    Maybe, maybe not. As you mention it is my opinion and that is quite often how I would percieve someone driving a 520 diesel. Of course its my opinion, some will share my opinion, others won't, its what helps make the world interesting but I am allowed express my opinion too. I'm guessing you don't agree with my opinion and thats what promted your response to my post?....if thats the case thats fine too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,099 ✭✭✭johndaman66


    MarkN wrote: »
    So a new €60-70,000 520d is someone who can't really afford a BMW?! Seems pretty daft. I know the OP isn't talking about new but so what? Far nicer car to own than most Skodas. You're also suggesting the guy should buy one with near 300,000kms on it. Well minded or not, that's a lot of wear & tear.


    I could possibly answer that question in a few different ways. Arguably someone buying a car for €2,000 on credit cant afford it if they are having trouble servicing the loan and running and maintianing the car. Same could be said of a €60-70,000 520d or indeed a 520d for circa €10,000 as in the OP's case. To be honest the Skoda was just a suggestion based on a very quick and dirty search on Donedeal.


    To note the Skoda is asking €7,750 and is 2 years newer than the BMW the OP is looking at. The guy selling the BMW is looking for €9,000 and the OP's 07 Vectra. I personally think the Skoda is a very respectable looking car and would feel anything but embarassed driving it. I take your point though and am sure a more thorough search on donedeal will throw back newer cars than the BMW for less money, similar to the skoda but lower mileage.


    Just bear in mind that some higher mileage cars can be in much better order than their lower mileage counterparts....thats more of a side note.


    MarkN wrote: »
    OP don't get too hung up on the 2008 tax, the pre 08 ones will be cheaper to buy and if it's auto you're talking, you might save yourself €300 a year in road tax but you might pay €3,000 more for the car.


    To be honest I'd normally agree with your comment but for they year and in particular the asking price of the car in hand I'd find it hard to look past moving up to the 08 upwards. Would be different if we were talking a 2005 asking €5,000.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,323 ✭✭✭MarkN


    I could possibly answer that question in a few different ways. Arguably someone buying a car for €2,000 on credit cant afford it if they are having trouble servicing the loan and running and maintianing the car. Same could be said of a €60-70,000 520d or indeed a 520d for circa €10,000 as in the OP's case. To be honest the Skoda was just a suggestion based on a very quick and dirty search on Donedeal.


    To note the Skoda is asking €7,750 and is 2 years newer than the BMW the OP is looking at. The guy selling the BMW is looking for €9,000 and the OP's 07 Vectra. I personally think the Skoda is a very respectable looking car and would feel anything but embarassed driving it. I take your point though and am sure a more thorough search on donedeal will throw back newer cars than the BMW for less money, similar to the skoda but lower mileage.


    Just bear in mind that some higher mileage cars can be in much better order than their lower mileage counterparts....thats more of a side note.






    To be honest I'd normally agree with your comment but for they year and in particular the asking price of the car in hand I'd find it hard to look past moving up to the 08 upwards. Would be different if we were talking a 2005 asking €5,000.

    Not embarrassing to drive a Skoda, there would be few older models that can put it up to a nice spec 2007 5 series that's all. The new Superb is nice but for the same price you'd have a 2014/15 F10 5 series and I think it'd be a more desirable car.

    I wouldn't buy into CC snobbery though. I've had many petrol BMWs including a 4.0 V8 and had no issue driving a 520d. One of the best all around cars I've owned!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,099 ✭✭✭johndaman66


    MarkN wrote: »
    Not embarrassing to drive a Skoda, there would be few older models that can put it up to a nice spec 2007 5 series that's all. The new Superb is nice but for the same price you'd have a 2014/15 F10 5 series and I think it'd be a more desirable car.

    I wouldn't buy into CC snobbery though. I've had many petrol BMWs including a 4.0 V8 and had no issue driving a 520d. One of the best all around cars I've owned!


    To be honest I'm not sure what the new Superb looks like. You would no doubt get a new pretty well spec's Superb for the same money as a 2014/15 5 seires. Same goes if talking a 2007 Bmw, you would be able to go up a few years for a similar Superb/ Mondeo. Suppose it depends on what you want to prioritize. I just personally think the E60 is a bit common, thats all, nothing wrong with it either, they are no doubt a decent car.


    I'm def anything but a number plate snob but at that money I reckon the OP should seriously consider a 2008 upwards model. Just to be logical about it and dont spend €3,000 to save €300 per annum but if its maybe a case that under a grand extra will bring them up to a 2008 that would be a game changer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭alanhiggyno1


    To be honest I'm not sure what the new Superb looks like. You would no doubt get a new pretty well spec's Superb for the same money as a 2014/15 5 seires. Same goes if talking a 2007 Bmw, you would be able to go up a few years for a similar Superb/ Mondeo. Suppose it depends on what you want to prioritize. I just personally think the E60 is a bit common, thats all, nothing wrong with it either, they are no doubt a decent car.


    I'm def anything but a number plate snob but at that money I reckon the OP should seriously consider a 2008 upwards model. Just to be logical about it and dont spend €3,000 to save €300 per annum but if its maybe a case that under a grand extra will bring them up to a 2008 that would be a game changer.

    Looking at few 08 bmw 520d in morning


  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's a big step up from a vectra to a 5 series. If you like it, go for it. All this keeping up with the Jones' by having a newer reg car is a load of ****e.


    In fairness, what you call a 'load of sh*te', is exactly what he's doing? Except instead of going up in years, he's going for a 'higher end' brand. Ultimately it's all a variation of 'keeping up with the jones'.


    My opinion on it is fairly simple enough. I drive a 2009 Citroen C5, estate. I bought it because, like almost every car I've owned, one drove by me and I thought it looked really good (and i was planning to change at the time).

    There were a few cars in my scope at the time, but I found their interiors were all a little lackluster. When I sat in a C5, however, I absolutely fell in love with the interior, and that really sold it to me. Some people may think a C5 is a heap of sh*te, others will love it (much like any BMW or other brand/model).


    I spend an enormous amount of time in the car and having a car that I think both looks great inside and out, and is comfortable, were my priorities (along with the few little accessories, like cruise control, etc that my previous car didn't have).


    If I was the OP, I would keep what I have. The fact that you're in two minds straight away tells me that you'll regret the swap. BMW have higher running costs and servicing can be pricier than other makes/models, as they're seen as a premium brand (and therefore, command premium prices).


    After two weeks of owning the car, you'll be thinking of all the other ways you could have spent that money, I absolutely guarantee it. Also, the fact that you're trying to push hard for a better price gives the impression (perhaps wrongly, obviously I don't know your circumstances) that a series of minor niggles on the car could leave you very strapped for cash. And even if you do love the car, having it leave you broke will very quickly sour the experience of owning it.

    (again, the car might never give you a problem, but I'm just throwing out the different potential scenarios you should probably prepare for).


    Finally, I'd echo someone else's post above; despite the premium you'll pay for servicing, and the extra you'll pay on running costs, etc. BMW, as a whole, are not a premium brand anymore, and I genuinely do not feel that they command the attention or high end/luxury image that many people try to convince themselves they do. There are more BMWs on my street than any other make of car, and I am most certainly not living in a rich-man's area.

    There are BMWs out there that you'd stop and look at. But they're few and far between. Women won't be pulling down their skirts cos you drove past in a 5 series.


    So to sum up my post - Go and look at it again. Sit in it, and unless you get butterflies in your belly, get out of there and spend your cash on something else. Book a holiday or something.


    That said, I've made some fairly questionable financial decisions, so regardless of what you do, I hope it works out well and fingers crossed that if you do pull the trigger, it is the kinda car that you'll have to stop and take a look at every time you park it, just to remind yourself how class it is :D We all have have different tastes and if you fall in love with it, go for it.

    Just try to make an informed decision.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,035 ✭✭✭goz83


    Maybe, maybe not. As you mention it is my opinion and that is quite often how I would percieve someone driving a 520 diesel. Of course its my opinion, some will share my opinion, others won't, its what helps make the world interesting but I am allowed express my opinion too. I'm guessing you don't agree with my opinion and thats what promted your response to my post?....if thats the case thats fine too.

    Indeed, i'm very aware that it is your opinion and you're entitled to your opinion in the same way everyone else is entitled to their opinion. Most of the posts are opinions and I would be of the opinion that your post was judgemental, which is what prompted me to respond to your opinionated post ;)

    PS - I don't drive a BMW, so no offence taken. I quite like Skodas actually, but don't drive one of those either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭alanhiggyno1


    In fairness, what you call a 'load of sh*te', is exactly what he's doing? Except instead of going up in years, he's going for a 'higher end' brand. Ultimately it's all a variation of 'keeping up with the jones'.


    My opinion on it is fairly simple enough. I drive a 2009 Citroen C5, estate. I bought it because, like almost every car I've owned, one drove by me and I thought it looked really good (and i was planning to change at the time).

    There were a few cars in my scope at the time, but I found their interiors were all a little lackluster. When I sat in a C5, however, I absolutely fell in love with the interior, and that really sold it to me. Some people may think a C5 is a heap of sh*te, others will love it (much like any BMW or other brand/model).


    I spend an enormous amount of time in the car and having a car that I think both looks great inside and out, and is comfortable, were my priorities (along with the few little accessories, like cruise control, etc that my previous car didn't have).


    If I was the OP, I would keep what I have. The fact that you're in two minds straight away tells me that you'll regret the swap. BMW have higher running costs and servicing can be pricier than other makes/models, as they're seen as a premium brand (and therefore, command premium prices).


    After two weeks of owning the car, you'll be thinking of all the other ways you could have spent that money, I absolutely guarantee it. Also, the fact that you're trying to push hard for a better price gives the impression (perhaps wrongly, obviously I don't know your circumstances) that a series of minor niggles on the car could leave you very strapped for cash. And even if you do love the car, having it leave you broke will very quickly sour the experience of owning it.

    (again, the car might never give you a problem, but I'm just throwing out the different potential scenarios you should probably prepare for).


    Finally, I'd echo someone else's post above; despite the premium you'll pay for servicing, and the extra you'll pay on running costs, etc. BMW, as a whole, are not a premium brand anymore, and I genuinely do not feel that they command the attention or high end/luxury image that many people try to convince themselves they do. There are more BMWs on my street than any other make of car, and I am most certainly not living in a rich-man's area.

    There are BMWs out there that you'd stop and look at. But they're few and far between. Women won't be pulling down their skirts cos you drove past in a 5 series.


    So to sum up my post - Go and look at it again. Sit in it, and unless you get butterflies in your belly, get out of there and spend your cash on something else. Book a holiday or something.


    That said, I've made some fairly questionable financial decisions, so regardless of what you do, I hope it works out well and fingers crossed that if you do pull the trigger, it is the kinda car that you'll have to stop and take a look at every time you park it, just to remind yourself how class it is :D We all have have different tastes and if you fall in love with it, go for it.

    Just try to make an informed decision.

    Of course BMW is a high end brand.c4 or s vectra deffo isn't and can't be compared. I'm not fussed about going up in years.all that matters to me is how its treated and maintained and what's under the bonnet.I like my comfort and power too lol. Also looking at a 1.8t Audi a4 too petrol in morning


  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Of course BMW is a high end brand.


    I'd argue they're a brand that have high end cars, but the brand itself has become overly diluted. I wouldn't consider it a high end brand.

    What I was getting at, is that there's nothing special about owning them from an image standpoint (with a few exceptions). No one is going to see you pulling up in a 5 series and be any more impressed by your car than if you'd pulled up in practically any other make/model of the same year. Most people won't bat an eyelid.


    All I'm saying, is don't go throwing money away at a badge on a bonnet if you really, really don't love the car itself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭alanhiggyno1


    I'd argue they're a brand that have high end cars, but the brand itself has become overly diluted. I wouldn't consider it a high end brand.

    What I was getting at, is that there's nothing special about owning them from an image standpoint (with a few exceptions). No one is going to see you pulling up in a 5 series and be any more impressed by your car than if you'd pulled up in practically any other make/model of the same year. Most people won't bat an eyelid.


    All I'm saying, is don't go throwing money away at a badge on a bonnet if you really, really don't love the car itself.

    To be honest I couldn't care less who sees me drive a bmw


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭millington


    Irrelevant of the year, the 5 series is a nicer car than the Vectra but €9k seems seriously steep! The car is probably only worth 9k straight


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭alanhiggyno1


    millington wrote: »
    Irrelevant of the year, the 5 series is a nicer car than the Vectra but €9k seems seriously steep! The car is probably only worth 9k straight

    ya thats what im gonna do.going to look at audi a4 1.8t now shortly


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