Why are there no concerts in Thomond Park

juneg

As Bruce Springsteen announces two concerts in Dublin today,
why are there no concerts in Thomond Park anymore?

I suppose there's zero chance of him returning to Limerick?

johnnyryan89

Would love for him to come back and do another concert in Limerick.

Stealthfins

I think King John's Castle is the new venue for limerick now

phog

Stealthfins wrote: »

I think King John's Castle is the new venue for limerick now

The castle wouldn't hold a 1/3 of what Thomond Park would hold. Both might be concert venues but are not really in competition with each other.

Poxyshamrock

Cost and demand, I'd imagine. You'd want a megastar to be able to sell out Thomond Park.

Jofspring

Thomond Park is what 33,000 for concerts.
King John's Castle is - 2,000ish.

Need someone like Springsteen alright to be worth it down here. Awful pity after the last time that he isn't playing again. No concert the last time in Dublin though so probably one reason.

1huge1

I seen Kasabian in the Milk market two years ago, tiny venue but the atmosphere was amazing.

Elemonator

There's no demand. Limerick is a small Irish city. Wouldn't be worth concert goers having to travel and find expensive accommodation. He can hold more in Dublin if he has a certain amount of Irish concerts he wants to do.

johnmolloy554

Elemonator wrote: »

There's no demand. Limerick is a small Irish city. Wouldn't be worth concert goers having to travel and find expensive accommodation. He can hold more in Dublin if he has a certain amount of Irish concerts he wants to do.

Yes, you're right. He only played sold out gigs in Belfast, Cork, Limerick and Kilkenny (two gigs) in 2013. And with accommodation being so expensive in Limerick, Dublin is certainly value for money for all concert goers be they from Dublin or not. :rolleyes:

Parchment

Rod Stewart is playing Kilkenny - which is a smaller city. All the hotel rooms are booked out there already!

zulutango

Elemonator wrote: »

There's no demand. Limerick is a small Irish city. Wouldn't be worth concert goers having to travel and find expensive accommodation. He can hold more in Dublin if he has a certain amount of Irish concerts he wants to do.

There's a large regional demand though. What's the population within 1 hour of the city?

Treepole

If there was a demand for these concerts then the promoters would put them on. simple as.
They are in the business of making money. If they think they can sell out Thomond Park twice a year then they will do just that. If they don't think they can sell it out then they won't take the risk.

Treepole

If there was a demand for these concerts then the promoters would put them on. simple as.
They are in the business of making money. If they think they can sell out Thomond Park twice a year then they will do just that. If they don't think they can sell it out then they won't take the risk.

Jofspring

The problem is to sell out Thomond Park you need a massive act that can pull in 33,000 people. The way a promoter looks at it is of the act is big enough to sell out Thomond park then it is probably big enough to sell out Croke Park. One stage set up with nearly triple the attendance.

Have only seen one gig in Croke Park and one in Thomond Park and Thomond park for me was far better as everyone is nice and close but you still get the big stadium feel.

It's the acts that play the likes of the RDS that should be targeting Thomond Park. Between Cork, Limerick, Galway, Tipperary, Waterford, Kerry and Clare you are looking at what 1.1 million people. That's a pretty big catchment.

Acts that would suit Thomond Park, Ed Sheeran, Michael Buble, Beyoncé, Bon Jovi, Bruce Springsteen, Rhianna, The Script, Coldplay. Most of them have been filling bigger stadiums so it has been pointless to have them in Thomond park from a promoters point of view bar Springsteen as he did a Irelamd wide tour.

Vanquished

A midsized events arena in the city centre with a capacity of around 5/6,000 would be desirable. Thomond Park is too large for anything other than a major International act and gigs there are restricted to the summer months anyhow.

The likes of the UCH, Lime Tree, Dolans, Milk Market are all fine venues in their own right but their capacities are limited. Back around 10 years ago a purpose built arena was mooted for the docks area but that was never really a runner.

Cork has stolen a march now with construction of a new events centre in the heart of the city about to get underway shortly.

zulutango

Vanquished wrote: »

A midsized events arena in the city centre with a capacity of around 5/6,000 would be desirable. Thomond Park is too large for anything other than a major International act and gigs there are restricted to the summer months anyhow.

The likes of the UCH, Lime Tree, Dolans, Milk Market are all fine venues in their own right but their capacities are limited. Back around 10 years ago a purpose built arena was mooted for the docks area but that was never really a runner.

Cork has stolen a march now with construction of a new events centre in the heart of the city about to get underway shortly.

Isn't the Cleeves Factory being earmarked as a large conference centre? The Council seem to be dragging their heels though. No surprise there really. That could easily double up as a major gig venue.

Vanquished

zulutango wrote: »

Isn't the Cleeves Factory being earmarked as a large conference centre? The Council seem to be dragging their heels though. No surprise there really. That could easily double up as a major gig venue.

Apparently so but given the council's record we'll be waiting years for any concrete proposals for the site. I'm not confident that the necessary vision exists within the local authority to deliver such a project.

It's a valuable site though and is suitable for a number of uses. I'd like to see a residential element beside the bridge.

johnnyryan89

Vanquished wrote: »

A midsized events arena in the city centre with a capacity of around 5/6,000 would be desirable. Thomond Park is too large for anything other than a major International act and gigs there are restricted to the summer months anyhow.

The likes of the UCH, Lime Tree, Dolans, Milk Market are all fine venues in their own right but their capacities are limited. Back around 10 years ago a purpose built arena was mooted for the docks area but that was never really a runner.

Cork has stolen a march now with construction of a new events centre in the heart of the city about to get underway shortly.

Could even have pushed them numbers up another couple of thousand. The 3arena attracts some big named gigs to it including comedians, WWE and other live events like the Darts and X factor, could chalk that up to the lure of Dublin that a venue which at most has 14,500 with seated and standing but is 9,500 with just seated but I'm sure the demand within Munster and surrounding areas like Galway, Kilkenny and Portlaoise would have been big enough to build something like that in Limerick.

Treepole

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

Could even have pushed them numbers up another couple of thousand. The 3arena attracts some big named gigs to it including comedians, WWE and other live events like the Darts and X factor, could chalk that up to the lure of Dublin that a venue which at most has 14,500 with seated and standing but is 9,500 with just seated but I'm sure the demand within Munster and surrounding areas like Galway, Kilkenny and Portlaoise would have been big enough to build something like that in Limerick.

Kilkenny and Portlaoise are both closer to Dublin than Limerick.
Promoters just aren't going to take the chance, it's not worth their while.

realdanbreen

Elemonator wrote: »

There's no demand. Limerick is a small Irish city. Wouldn't be worth concert goers having to travel and find expensive accommodation. .

And accommodation in Dublin isn't expensive? Add in being stuck in traffic for an hour to drive 15km into the city, no thanks. Give me Limerick any day of the week.

pigtown

Vanquished wrote: »

A midsized events arena in the city centre with a capacity of around 5/6,000 would be desirable. Thomond Park is too large for anything other than a major International act and gigs there are restricted to the summer months anyhow.

I really don't see the demand for such a venue. How often would it be realistically filled?

zulutango wrote: »

Isn't the Cleeves Factory being earmarked as a large conference centre?

Yeah I've heard that but I really think access would be a huge problem, the roads around it are narrow and residential. Traffic would be a nightmare throughout the city.

Vanquished wrote: »

Apparently so but given the council's record we'll be waiting years for any concrete proposals for the site. I'm not confident that the necessary vision exists within the local authority to deliver such a project.

It's a valuable site though and is suitable for a number of uses. I'd like to see a residential element beside the bridge.

I'm not sure how fair that is. The council have, through their InnovateLimerick arm, spearheaded the creation of Troy film studios. As far as I know they did all the running for this project. They bought the building, approached Ardmore Studios, and just last week approved a huge loan to get the company started. Builders have moved in and the first production is expected to begin this year.

They also acted very quickly when that factory closed in Rathkeale. They moved in and created an innovation centre and now the site employs more people than before it closed.

And in LEDP in Roxboro they have built a huge business start-up incubator that will presumably foster a lot of new companies.

zulutango

pigtown wrote: »

I really don't see the demand for such a venue. How often would it be realistically filled?

Well, maybe Limerick could attract major international conferences to the city. I'd imagine the west of Ireland is attractive so why couldn't Limerick put its hand up and say we're open for business. I've been to some big conferences around the world and they're always in holiday-type destinations because they're basically a booze up for corporate types. I really see no reason why Limerick couldn't get onto the circuit.

pigtown wrote: »

Yeah I've heard that but I really think access would be a huge problem, the roads around it are narrow and residential. Traffic would be a nightmare throughout the city.

There's good access to Condell Road and from there to the tunnel and the motorway network, so it would be fine I think.

If they do decide to build a big conference venue, then perhaps they should consider the idea of putting the controversial footbridge across the Shannon between O'Callaghan Strand and Howley's Quay rather than where it's proposed. It wouldn't be nearly as controversial a location and it would actually have a purpose!!

Irish_rat

I wish there was more acts in The Milk Market to be honest. International indie acts rarely venture outside Dublin on their tours. The Marquee always draws a few big stars and now Galway is starting to aswell. John Grant and The National played up there in the last 2 years.

Its the same Irish acts here every few months. :-(

Vanquished

pigtown wrote: »

I'm not sure how fair that is. The council have, through their InnovateLimerick arm, spearheaded the creation of Troy film studios. As far as I know they did all the running for this project. They bought the building, approached Ardmore Studios, and just last week approved a huge loan to get the company started. Builders have moved in and the first production is expected to begin this year.....

To be fair Ardmore were very much scouting for further production space so it's not like the council convinced them to take a massive leap of faith or anything. That old Dell facility was used for some events during the City of Culture year also so it's adaptability and flexibility was established and that's what sparked the discussion on its potential for future use. Yes the councils economic arm took the initiative to secure the building but then again that is their remit to identify strategic opportunities and promote investment.

Unfortunately there are a litany of examples of inertia on their behalf; The upgrade of O'Connell Street (25 years in the making) and other city centre streets, "opera centre" site (5 years since they bought it), redevelopment of Arthurs Quay, derelict sites in the market area etc etc.

pigtown wrote: »

I really don't see the demand for such a venue. How often would it be realistically filled?

This wouldn't just be an arena for Limerick. There is a large population in the city hinterland and regionally. There is no such facility on the entire western seaboard. A 5/6,000 capacity is modest and achievable. Having a purpose built arena opens up the opportunity to bring events and performers to the city that could not have been facilitated previously.

Access is a non-issue as well. The site is right beside a major arterial route which provides a connection to all national routes serving the city. We need to stop obsessing about parking also. There are a multitude of car parks a short stroll away across the river. Park and ride facilities could be set up on the outskirts of the city too. With a bit of ambition this could become a reality and provide a further boost to the city economy.

Red King

Limerick has had several big acts put on successful gigs here in recent year - I don't get the argument that there is no demand for events like this.

Bruce Springsteen
Elton John
Rod Stewart
Nile Rodgers & Chic (twice)
Bob Dylan
Kasabian
The Cranberries
The Waterboys
Mumford and Sons
Franz Ferdinand
Hozier
Snow Patrol
Editors
Bell X1

If the above can have gigs here then surely it justifies a decent sized dedicated concert venue?

Jofspring

The only one there that was a complete flop was Bob Dylan but that was cause the venue was way too big.

Pink also nearly sold out Thomond Park. JLS did ok but not amazing.

Stone Sour played Dolans before and it sold out in minutes. Probably could have sold out the milk market or King John's if available at the time.

If Cork can have some of the acts they have had in the marquee then no reason we can't do similar.

Most of the time gigs in Dublin us just convenience for the promoters who are in Dublin. Just look at how many more gigs are happening in the Aviva and Croke Park and slowly stopping in Punchestown. Bon Jovi played Punchestown but the last time it was RDS, Ac/dc Punchestown and aviva the last time. A lot of gigs being moved to the likes of Marley park now or Phoenix park for convenience.

Vanquished

Yeah. Having a modern purpose built venue with the right facilities would be hugely significant especially when you consider how few of those there are in Ireland.

Red King

Jofspring wrote: »

The only one there that was a complete flop was Bob Dylan but that was cause the venue was way too big.

Pink also nearly sold out Thomond Park. JLS did ok but not amazing.

Stone Sour played Dolans before and it sold out in minutes. Probably could have sold out the milk market or King John's if available at the time.

If Cork can have some of the acts they have had in the marquee then no reason we can't do similar.

Most of the time gigs in Dublin us just convenience for the promoters who are in Dublin. Just look at how many more gigs are happening in the Aviva and Croke Park and slowly stopping in Punchestown. Bon Jovi played Punchestown but the last time it was RDS, Ac/dc Punchestown and aviva the last time. A lot of gigs being moved to the likes of Marley park now or Phoenix park for convenience.

Agree except for Dylan being a complete flop. There was a good crowd there, not sold out but a good crowd nonetheless

realdanbreen

Vanquished wrote: »

Yeah. Having a modern purpose built venue with the right facilities would be hugely significant especially when you consider how few of those there are in Ireland.

especially now that the stadium is half empty for munster matches since the bandwagon crowd stopped supporting them.

johnnyryan89

Treepole wrote: »

Kilkenny and Portlaoise are both closer to Dublin than Limerick.
Promoters just aren't going to take the chance, it's not worth their while.

Going off Google Maps for a rough figure on times, they have Limerick City to Portlaoise at 1hr 13mins (116km) and Portlaoise to 3 Arena at 1hr 30mins (105km) and have Limerick City to Kilkenny at 1hr 41mins (133km) and Kilkenny to 3 Arena at 1hr 49mins (140km), that is with traffic included and without traffic included the Portlaoise one has both routes level and the Kilkenny route has it 9mins quicker for 3 Arena and that's only because you can get onto the M9 quicker then you can M7.

So both aren't technically closer and take traffic into consideration having something like the 3Arena in the Munster region could easily work if done right but in this country that's easier said then done.

Jofspring

Red King wrote: »

Agree except for Dylan being a complete flop. There was a good crowd there, not sold out but a good crowd nonetheless

Didn't they flip the stage and only use a section of the pitch and one stand though?

Would be easier to go to a gig in Limerick for people in Clare, Tipp, Cork, Galway, Waterford, Kerry and you could even add Offaly, Laois, Westmeath to that as they wouldn't hit the same levels of traffic.

For example if you arrive on the outskirts of Limerick City you could be at Thomond Park, Cleeves or City Centre in 10 minutes approx with the Motorway putting you in touching distance of all. If you arrive at Dublin you could be sitting in traffic anywhere from 15 minutes to 1hr+ to get to the 3 Arena, Aviva or Croke Park.

3 Arena is shockingly placed by the way. I left a concert last year in a car and it took me nearly 1 hour to get as far as O'Connell Street.

bigpink

Dolans have both the milk market and king johns for gigs which isnt good

Jofspring

Any more on Jerry Flannerys (Catherine St) knocking into the building next door? Wasn't there word that he was looking to have a live music venue?

Vanquished

He submitted a new application recently. The last application was refused due to noise concerns I think. This could be another protracted affair!

bigpink

Jofspring wrote: »

Any more on Jerry Flannerys (Catherine St) knocking into the building next door? Wasn't there word that he was looking to have a live music venue?

Not enough room for 2 venues with dolans
Altho his joe.ie brand pluggibg alot of faux hipster folk acts

phog

bigpink wrote: »

Dolans have both the milk market and king johns for gigs which isnt good

bigpink wrote: »

Not enough room for 2 venues with dolans

bigpink

phog wrote: »

Dolans v Flannerys new live venue not enough room for two

Jofspring

Why wouldn't there be enough room for two venues?

Surely the popularity or success of gigs in either venue would come down to the acts that are booked.

phog

bigpink wrote: »

Dolans v Flannerys new live venue not enough room for two

I woukdn't actually agree with this view bit if there isn't room for two then why moan in a previous post about one guy operating in three venues.

bigpink

phog wrote: »

I woukdn't actually agree with this view bit if there isn't room for two then why moan in a previous post about one guy operating in three venues.

I dont think therea enough room for 2 full time venues but new young promotors or other peole who may run some events cant get into the market or castle

Jofspring

bigpink wrote: »

I dont think therea enough room for 2 full time venues but new young promotors or other peole who may run some events cant get into the market or castle

But why don't you think there is room?

bigpink

Jofspring wrote: »

But why don't you think there is room?

Dolans have contacts build up over the years and you can be sure if a new venue was to open they would protect them.Ive even noticed dolans the last 12 months or so have really improved there marketing
Cobblestones have cut back music and tryed to be a gig venue
I know dont agree Dolans have 2other venues to run gigs aswell but Mick Dolan is well liked in the music scene
Dont think Jerry Flannery has the same repspect

leakyboots

Always thought you could run a decent festival in Limerick with Thomond Park, King John's, Dolans and The Milkmarket

Toffeeboy

The Band Steps coming to TP Friday 6th July.

Who's excited???

Will they sell 1,000 tickets?

johnnyryan89

I'd say it will be like the Aslan gig and played in the marque next to the dug out bar.

Insect Overlord

Toffeeboy wrote: »

The Band Steps coming to TP Friday 6th July.

Who's excited???

Will they sell 1,000 tickets?

They'll need to link up with a few similar nostalgia acts to attract a crowd. Maybe the last few members of S-Club 7. I'd say even McBusted would have been a bigger attraction at this stage.

The Specialist

Toffeeboy wrote: »

The Band Steps coming to TP Friday 6th July.

Who's excited???

Will they sell 1,000 tickets?

They wouldn't even sell out The Library.

johnnyryan89

Insect Overlord wrote: »

They'll need to link up with a few similar nostalgia acts to attract a crowd. Maybe the last few members of S-Club 7. I'd say even McBusted would have been a bigger attraction at this stage.

Are playing in the library bar on the 25th

topper75

Poxyshamrock wrote: »

Cost and demand, I'd imagine. You'd want a megastar to be able to sell out Thomond Park.

True and let's be honest - apart from the dinosaurs (like Bruce - who I'd pay into because I'm a dinosaur myself), there is no such thing nowadays.

The music industry is decimated by spotify/youtube etc. and now wants flashinthepan efforts that it can control.
It doesn't want megastars telling it what to do. You'll never see such acts rise again.

osarusan

Toffeeboy wrote: »

The Band Steps coming to TP Friday 6th July.

Honest to god, I though the name of the act was "The Band Steps" and that they were somebody I'd never heard of. Also wondering what a band step was in general.

Mr.H

topper75 wrote: »

True and let's be honest - apart from the dinosaurs (like Bruce - who I'd pay into because I'm a dinosaur myself), there is no such thing nowadays.

The music industry is decimated by spotify/youtube etc. and now wants flashinthepan efforts that it can control.
It doesn't want megastars telling it what to do. You'll never see such acts rise again.

I disagree. Throughout the 80s and 90s the music industry wanted "pop acts" that they could control and make an easy buck. But in that time we have seen a lot of great bands come through. I am not even going to mention to mega bands like U2 Metalica Queen standard because obviously they are all huge. But what about Nirvana Oasis Blur who in the mid 90s era of boy bands, made it big. In fact bigger than any manufactured crap in the same era.

The nougthies gave rise to Snow Patrol Kings of Leon and The Killers who all made it pretty big.

I dont think the music industry can stop real bands.

As for Thomond Park, they need to get someone in to manage the events there. Maybe set up a weekend festival for during the summer. The August bank holiday they could have a few bands playing in one day or over two days.

The Killers Franz Ferdinand Kodaline Bellx1 Glen Hansard (with the Frames). Those kinda acts could easily be attracted. Add in a few cover bands and local acts to fill up a 2 or 3 day event and it would easily sell out the festival. It could bring 20k people to each day of the gig. Or if it was lets say 10k both days from outside limerick it could lead to a potential 20k people wanting to spend money in Limerick over the course of the weekend where many of them will try to stay in hotel accom. Add that to a bank holiday weekend where bars are open late and you have bars making a killing also.

I just cant understand the lack of ambition