Election 2016

Owryan

Figured there may as well have a thread since the election is going to be announced tomorrow.

Runners announced so far: http://www.rte.ie/news/election-2016/constituencies/carlow-kilkenny/

5 TD's all running for re election. 2 FF, 2 FG and 1 LAB. Pat Deering of FG is the only Carlow based TD.

Other Carlow candidates are Jennifer Murnane-O'Connor (FF) and Adrienne Wallace (PBP-AAA-ANTI EVERYTHING).

Tbh I think all 5 seats will end up with Kilkenny based candidates. 2FF, 2 FG and Lab or sf for the last, hopefully Lab.

Don't think Pat Deering has done much for the county and haven't heard anyone talking positive of him. Seems to have been invisible for the last 5 years.

Any thoughts?

iano.p

Think carlow will only get the one seat again. I have a felling it will be jennifer murnane getting it. She seems to have a big following around town it would be bad if we didn't get a seat at all.

racso1975

I agree that we need one for Carlow as little as may have been done (not saying this is the case) f all would be done if we had nobody.

As said above I would prefer to not have an SF seat or politician and it is a shame that John Cassin is a member of that party as he seems to do great work. In fairness to Jennifer she kicked her campaign off in earnest last year and has been doing a phenomenal amount of door knocking and walking the streets.

votecounts

I dont think murnane o'connor will get the seat as a lot of her base is in graiguecullen which is the laois constituecy. For me it will be a disgrace if carlow doesn't have any representation and one has to wonder should carlow have been made a single constituency by the boundary comission.

road_high

votecounts wrote: »

I dont think murnane o'connor will get the seat as a lot of her base is in graiguecullen which is the laois constituecy. For me it will be a disgrace if carlow doesn't have any representation and one has to wonder should carlow have been made a single constituency by the boundary comission.

Too small. But the chunk that was hived off to Wicklow should be returned.
Murnane O'Connor and Deering are not good candidates, they won't get much outside of Carlow. That's a huge part of the problem, the quality of the candidates from Carlow are poor at all elections i can remember. Back bench numbers on seats is all.

brianblaze

A complete lack of a decent candidate if you ask me. Deering is a sound bloke from when I've talked to him but no one is sticking out to me. Party politics makes it a real struggle to pick a candidate

iano.p

feargale wrote:

How did London v. Carlow go today? Thanks.

Carlow won 4.04 to 1.11.

Owryan

iano.p wrote: »

Carlow won 4.04 to 1.11.

Watch all the candidates try claim credit for the win lol

On topic I see sf were out and about in Carlow today

Ivefoundgod

Owryan wrote: »

Watch all the candidates try claim credit for the win lol

On topic I see sf were out and about in Carlow today

I wouldn't be voting for them anyway but whoever it was rang my doorbell were a good 100 yards up the road when I opened the door about 15 seconds after it rang. Some canvassing that is. I also had a "sorry I missed you" left in the letterbox from Ann Phelan. I didn't leave the house until 2.30 or so when I saw the SF and Ann Phelan leaflet. Why annoy people in their homes by ringing the doorbell if you've no intention of talking to them or worse still, put in a "sorry I missed you" when you never knocked or rang the doorbell? :mad:

Nokia6230i

New candidate in the race from the Carlow side of the constituency.

Keith Gilligan running under the Right 2 Change banner as an Ind./NP; here's his GFM Page which details why he's running >

https://www.gofundme.com/cakmqsn8

He's the 3rd R2C Candidate in the race; PBP-AAA Candidate from Carlow Adrienne Wallace & Shinner Kathleen Funchion.

Find it odd that C MacLiam of AAA-PBP is not part of this movement given the 2 Parties have united for the General Election.

Policy wise is there much difference between AAA & PBP/PBFP/PB4P and indeed the R2C (which includes R2W & R2H) movement?

brianblaze

Nokia6230i wrote: »

Policy wise is there much difference between AAA & PBP/PBFP/PB4P and indeed the R2C (which includes R2W & R2H) movement?

AAA also fix your car if it breaks down

Owryan

Nokia6230i wrote: »

New candidate in the race from the Carlow side of the constituency.

Keith Gilligan running under the Right 2 Change banner as an Ind./NP; here's his GFM Page which details why he's running >

https://www.gofundme.com/cakmqsn8

He's the 3rd R2C Candidate in the race; PBP-AAA Candidate from Carlow Adrienne Wallace & Shinner Kathleen Funchion.

Find it odd that C MacLiam of AAA-PBP is not part of this movement given the 2 Parties have united for the General Election.

Policy wise is there much difference between AAA & PBP/PBFP/PB4P and indeed the R2C (which includes R2W & R2H) movement?

Not really, they all seem to be in favour of cutting taxes, giving away money and expecting a select few to cough up the tax to pay for everything.

They also seem to think that the billions in natural resources we "might" have are the answer to everything

road_high

Nokia6230i wrote: »

New candidate in the race from the Carlow side of the constituency.

Keith Gilligan running under the Right 2 Change banner as an Ind./NP; here's his GFM Page which details why he's running >

https://www.gofundme.com/cakmqsn8

He's the 3rd R2C Candidate in the race; PBP-AAA Candidate from Carlow Adrienne Wallace & Shinner Kathleen Funchion.

Find it odd that C MacLiam of AAA-PBP is not part of this movement given the 2 Parties have united for the General Election.

Policy wise is there much difference between AAA & PBP/PBFP/PB4P and indeed the R2C (which includes R2W & R2H) movement?

What is this "Right to change" non-sense though really?- all it means is taxpayers like me will have to fork out even more to sustain those who contribute nothing and never will- they see the rest of society as existing to support them. They can keep their so called change...

hadepsx

That write up from that new candidate seems a bit odd/ slightly aggressive. And that most wanted like mugshot won't help his cause either.

road_high

hadepsx wrote: »

That write up from that new candidate seems a bit odd/ slightly aggressive. And that most wanted like mugshot won't help his cause either.

I don't think it's coincidental, that's how the chap is from what I've seen. One of these rage against the system anarchists...while he likely collects his €188 a week from the state and system he so despises...

racso1975

road_high wrote: »

I don't think it's coincidental, that's how the chap is from what I've seen. One of these rage against the system anarchists...while he likely collects his €188 a week from the state and system he so despises...

http://www.carlow-nationalist.ie/2015/05/15/carlow-man-says-gardai-assaulted-him-as-he-tried-to-tackle-taoiseach/

road_high

He was Director of lections for A Wallace...yet she is running also this time- has there been a split in the camp there?

Nokia6230i

Quoted verbatim from his own personal profile (not his candidate page) > "No, I'm running as a candidate in Carlow-Kilkenny with Adrienne Wallace Carlow/Kilkenny and Kathleen Funchion and encouraging people to get out and vote."

With? It's against. That's how elections work......splits the left vote even further (NB Conor MacLiam not part of R2C movement despite AAA-PPP being together.....very odd that).

road_high

Anyone know Gilligans profession? I always like to know what my candidates do for a living (if indeed anything) so I can an informed as possible a decision about them? Look forward to being pleasantly surprised to hear he is in full time employment, contributing to the state.

oscillating wildely

I wonder why FG/AAA/PBP don't propose a levy on income from €87,000 upwards, maybe this is why or am I being too cynical

http://www.oireachtas.ie/parliament/tdssenators/salariesallowances/salaries/

Owryan

road_high wrote: »

Anyone know Gilligans profession? I always like to know what my candidates do for a living (if indeed anything) so I can an informed as possible a decision about them? Look forward to being pleasantly surprised to hear he is in full time employment, contributing to the state.

Could joke and say he is a professional protester but I wouldn't be far off. Think he was a student up till last year.

I saw him in action in tesco last year when he was arrested. A peaceful protest involves getting in someone's face, hurling abuse and shouting "peaceful protest" when told to shut up.

At least he ll be helping dilute the far left vote IMO.

road_high

Owryan wrote: »

Could joke and say he is a professional protester but I wouldn't be far off. Think he was a student up till last year.

I saw him in action in tesco last year when he was arrested. A peaceful protest involves getting in someone's face, hurling abuse and shouting "peaceful protest" when told to shut up.

At least he ll be helping dilute the far left vote IMO.

Bit old to be a student isn't he? No doubt on back to education or some other handy scheme. He'd be an asset to any company or organisation. It's exactly the kind of manner and attidude all employers crave these days!

Owryan

road_high wrote: »

Bit old to be a student isn't he? No doubt on back to education or some other handy scheme. He'd be an asset to any company or organisation. It's exactly the kind of manner and attidude all employers crave these days!

Hey !!!!! I'm a student and I'm 40.

road_high

Owryan wrote: »

Hey !!!!! I'm a student and I'm 40.

Ok sorry, just in the mindset of student 18-22 years old like I was lol. But you're right, all sorts and ages now.

JaCrispy

If Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao (.....ok you get the picture) were running in this constituency along with Gilligan, he still wouldn't get my vote.

brianblaze

road_high wrote: »

What is this "Right to change" non-sense

Campaigning for the reintroduction of 1 and 2 cent coins....

road_high

brianblaze wrote: »

Campaigning for the reintroduction of 1 and 2 cent coins....

Paid for by all those legions of 100 k plus earners!

Owryan

Newstalk/Ivan Yates prediction for the constituency: 2x FF, 2x FG, 1x sf

https://www.newstalk.com/reader/47.1252/65552//

iano.p

Owryan wrote:

Newstalk/Ivan Yates prediction for the constituency: 2x FF, 2x FG, 1x sf

I have a feeling that's the way it will be. The only candidat I seen was pat Deering. Haven't seen anyone else.

brianblaze

Smartvote.ie told me to vote PBP and Green. I'm. A lefty it seems. (And I registered for and paid me water taxes!)

Carlow2011

Paddy Power latest betting, thought JMOC would be shorter odds with popularity in Carlow Town and being transfer friendly https://sports.paddypower.mobi/#sport/33/competition/26921/event/9869825

radharc

So they marginally favour Carlow getting one seat with a decent chance of none.

What happened the days when we regularly secured two

fits

radharc wrote: »

What happened the days when we regularly secured two

Why does it matter?

Carlow2011

It's unbelievable that only 1 Carlow TD scrapped in on the 13th countin 2011 because Fianna Fáil weren't transfer friendly in 2011. If Carlow people don't get out and vote for their own there'll be no Carlow TD in the next Dail.

Owryan

A couple of thousand Carlow votes will be going to Kilkenny anyway for sf. They might give either of the 2 main Carlow candidates a lower pref tho.

Even more worrying I ve seen John McGuiness flyers around Carlow/Bagenalstown so he seems to be looking for Jennifer's potential vote.

As for Pat Deering, I ve heard nothing at all about him, not even a flyer.

Mind you haven't seen any canvassers at all

mneylon

fits wrote: »

Why does it matter?

Exactly

road_high

Carlow really needs to start mustering up a few electable TD's, hence the few votes in Kilkenny. The likes of McGuiness, JP Phelan and Ann Phelan are able politicians by any measure and even have national profiles with some influence. JP Phelan is a Ministerial possibility, only for Enda Kenny. Ann Phelan already has a Junior Ministerial role.
Pat Deering is the best of a very poor field of Carlow candidates, Murnane O'Connor FF seems a nice lady and a good local councillor I'd gladly swap her for Bobby Alyward seat but I think the Alywards always had a big vote base.

brianblaze

Murnane O'Connor was one of the main people who pushed for the Fairgreen so I don't know how anyone can vote for short sighted thinking like that

road_high

brianblaze wrote: »

Murnane O'Connor was one of the main people who pushed for the Fairgreen so I don't know how anyone can vote for short sighted thinking like that

I think the Fairgreen is a good development for Carlow but it should have been more focused towards the town centre with better access and walkways?

brianblaze

road_high wrote: »

I think the Fairgreen is a good development for Carlow but it should have been more focused towards the town centre with better access and walkways?

I disagree. A stupid place for a sopping centre with very few locally owned businesses there. An absolute shocker it got permission to be that close to town centre

jay gatsby

brianblaze wrote: »

I disagree. A stupid place for a sopping centre with very few locally owned businesses there. An absolute shocker it got permission to be that close to town centre

What's your thinking on this Brian? I thought the accepted logic was that having shopping centres away out at the edge of town dragged people away from town centres. Surely if you want an anchor tenant like Tesco's in Carlow its better to have them relatively near the town centre so that at least people are being drawn into the town?

I have to say i'm not a fan of fairgreen but that is due to the type of shops in there and cold feel to the central coffee shop area.

I actually think its location is not bad and if a throughway could have been developed maybe down through carlow shopping centre to connect up Tullow St etc. it might have worked out quite well. As in, I park in Fairgreen and can do my main shop there but can also stroll down the town inside 5 minutes and pick up a few bits before heading back to the car.

I have no planning experience whatsoever so this may be all pie in the sky.

fits

I hate the fairgreen. Any time I am there (rare) I just park up, get the necessaries and go again. theres no inclination to browse and no flow to the design that would draw you to the old town centre. Its a planning disaster in my opinion. Tullow and Dublin Sts have been totally killed off. I go to Kilkenny in preference to Carlow these days. And of course then I dont support lovely places like Brian's coffee shop and my old friends on Dublin St.


It makes me mad.

Jed and Dave

if they built a back entrance to the fairgreen onto the junction of tullow street it would link the fairgreen with tullow street and the centre of town-would be a start. went in to see the plans for the penneys redevelopment have to say i was impressed with the design and layout. back on topic....

is all politics local? would the kilkenny based tds do a good job representing carlow.. i dont see too much advertising for them in carlow likewise was down in ferrybank at the weekend and didnt see any posters for deering and murnane o connor/

BattleCorp

fits wrote: »

Why does it matter?

It matters.

Why are there so many sports centres, health centres etc. built in Minister's back yards? It's because all politics is local. They will try and look after people from their own area first.

If a Kilkenny TD had the opportunity to get jobs for an area, why would they get them for Carlow? Naturally they would want to get them for their own locality if they had the chance.

fits

BattleCorp wrote: »

It matters.

Why are there so many sports centres, health centres etc. built in Minister's back yards? It's because all politics is local. They will try and look after people from their own area first.

If a Kilkenny TD had the opportunity to get jobs for an area, why would they get them for Carlow? Naturally they would want to get them for their own locality if they had the chance.

Well it shouldn't matter. The parliament is supposed to operate on a national level, not local. That's the job of the councils.

Also, our Carlow TDs in recent years have hardly done a good job have they? The county, especially the town, is an absolute shambles and a joke. At least Kilkenny is a well run county.

BattleCorp

fits wrote: »

Well it shouldn't matter. The parliament is supposed to operate on a national level, not local. That's the job of the councils.

Also, our Carlow TDs in recent years have hardly done a good job have they? The county, especially the town, is an absolute shambles and a joke. At least Kilkenny is a well run county.

I agree, it shouldn't matter, but unfortunately that's the way we are.

It's absolutely ridiculous that people go to their local TD to get help with their medical card/council house/planning permission etc. If you are entitled to a medical card/council house/planning permission, you should get it, not because your local TD had a bit of "pull".

Kilkenny is a well run county, I wonder would that be because they have four out of the five TD's?

byhookorbycrook

BattleCorp wrote: »

I agree, it shouldn't matter, but unfortunately that's the way we are.

It's absolutely ridiculous that people go to their local TD to get help with their medical card/council house/planning permission etc. If you are entitled to a medical card/council house/planning permission, you should get it, not because your local TD had a bit of "pull".

Kilkenny is a well run county, I wonder would that be because they have four out of the five TD's?

It's how the Healy Raes keep getting re-elected. One of them actually emailed me back several times about a drug we were trying to have funded for people with MS when a local guy wouldn't even take my call.

Kilkenny would have a bigger budget, I would imagine , the tourist revenue alone must be huge.

byhookorbycrook

So who has canvassed you? (Shoving leaflets through the door and legging it doesn't count!)

Pat Deering went next door and when I had baffled the guy at my door so then came to ours.
Kathleen Funchion's reps called and spoke to, but no sign of herself

iano.p

byhookorbycrook wrote:

So who has canvassed you? (Shoving leaflets through the door and legging it doesn't count!)

Just pat Deering and jennifer murnane 's brother called haven't seen anyone else

Owryan

No one has called at all. Very few leaflets too. I'm living in the town as well.

I did get a vote John McGuiness flyer tho. Someone keeps leaving that right-to-change rag too. Least I can use that in the cats tray.

Have to say doesn't appear to be much stir in Carlow

Nokia6230i

Our PBP-AAA Candidate Ms.Adrienne Wallace will be on tonights RTE 2 Facebook Election Debate.

Other candidates include Leo Varadkar, Aodhán Ó Ríordáin, Timmy Dooley, Mary Lou McDonald (funny how when people have a cut off Cllr. Patrick McKee for jumping ship from FF to Renua (via a brief dalliance with SF), they don't have a pop at Mary Lou for going FF > SF.), Averil Power & Eamon Ryan.

As an aside does Conor MacLiam use AAA-PBP to assert which of the two parties he belongs to?

The R2C/Right 2 Change movement isn't one he's signed up to which I find odd given he's part of the AAA/PBP amalgamation.

At yesterdays R2W/R2C etc Protest March which was attended by 10k/20k/60k/70k/80k/1 Billion (depending on what source you choose to believe) only one of the R2C Candidates (Ms.Wallace, Mr.Gilligan, Ms/Mrs. Funchion and I think maybe Mr.Walsh too?) participated & there's a definite split in the camp.