Dental Abroad

Makood

Hi all.

A short history of myself.

I need some major dental work done. Had a fear of dentistry as many have but decided last year that I had to do something or I would be toothless in a few years.
Went to a local dentist and he done some work. I'm not going to turn this into an us against them rant, but I was not happy with his pricing. I really felt it was get as much work done in a short space of time and charge full price.(Multiple fillings in 1 session)
Last straw was a root canal where I had to pay extra for a "filling" to finish the job.

Now, one of the fillings on a front tooth chipped and as I was going to Ukraine with the landlady over xmas I asked her to organise a visit to her local dentist to fix it, and while there give a quotation for the rest of the work needed.

Background on her-Shes a Dr. She not going to send me somewhere dodgy.

I ended up in the cities Dental Hospital for the consultation. As it was xmas and new years I could not have an Xray so the dentist was a looking at worst case scenarios for me.

She refused 3 times to fix my chipped filling. Said it was unfair and would be taking my money for something that was going to break again. She said I have an issue with my bite that needs to be corrected and that she would need me for a minimum one month to correct this. (This was never mentioned to me in Ireland)

Without the Xray she could not give me an accurate price, but her end of the job would involve 10 root canals (That won't be the case she was just saying worst case, and that likely it would be 2 or 3 of them. Along with the realignment work needed if that's what it's called, it would cost €300. It's all relative to what you earn i guess. Salaries in Ukraine are c. 10 times less than in Ireland and the currency has collapsed with all the shenanigans with the Russians.

After her work I will see the cosmetic dentist-He is a friend of the landlady. Not sure of his pricing but I will let you know in time. Several crowns/bridges/temp. dentures needed I'm sure.

This won't be done in one go. I'm heading in March for 2 weeks and they will begin the work. Based on how they get on I will probably head back for 2 weeks later in the year and possibly another 2 weeks early next year.

Can I just say this is a Dental Hospital, with fully qualified Dentists. They have no financial interest in doing work quickly or doing unnecessary work to make money as they are paid a government salary and that's all.

I'll listen to any opinions and as the work gets done I will try post some updates.

uck51js9zml2yt

With so many visits and their associated costs , would you not be better using that money to pay for a dentist here?

I go to a dentist in slovakia when over visiting the in-laws but i certainly wouldn't fly over multiple times in a matter of weeks to see him. I'm over this month and wanted a check up and clean. He couldn't fit me in , not a problem.

My wife had him do a crown, but again she was over for 2 months anyway with the kids and had time to return if she had any issues.

uck51js9zml2yt

With so many visits and their associated costs , would you not be better using that money to pay for a dentist here?

I go to a dentist in slovakia when over visiting the in-laws but i certainly wouldn't fly over multiple times in a matter of weeks to see him. I'm over this month and wanted a check up and clean. He couldn't fit me in , not a problem.

My wife had him do a crown, but again she was over for 2 months anyway with the kids and had time to return if she had any issues.

Makood

Daniella Modern Tux wrote: »

With so many visits and their associated costs , would you not be better using that money to pay for a dentist here?

I go to a dentist in slovakia when over visiting the in-laws but i certainly wouldn't fly over multiple times in a matter of weeks to see him. I'm over this month and wanted a check up and clean. He couldn't fit me in , not a problem.

My wife had him do a crown, but again she was over for 2 months anyway with the kids and had time to return if she had any issues.

Costs to get there are not an issue as we planned on going anyway. Have a new arrival that needs to see his grandparents every few months. Even if they were, flights for us all plus accommodation would be €700 for a 2 week stay.

Makood

Daniella Modern Tux wrote: »

i certainly wouldn't fly over multiple times in a matter of weeks to see him.

This will hopefully be spread out over 3 visits in 12 months

davo10

Dental hospitals are always less expensive than private clinics, if you are having treatment in Trinity/UCC/Queens DH they are all cheaper.

All clinics have itemised billing, root canal treatment is one price, an amalgam/composite filling another, why were you so offended by being asked to pay for the filling?

If the standard of treatment is good, sounds like you are on a winner but if worst case scenario you need 10 RCTs and your bite needs to be changed, you are in for a hell of a lot of treatment.

A bite between upper and lower front teeth is very tight, most often people who have filings in front teeth which subsequently chip have the next filling shape altered to allow for the load sometimes at the expense of lowering the cosmetic result. The necessity to do this only often only becomes apparent after the filling chips, not before.

Makood

davo10 wrote: »

Dental hospitals are always less expensive than private clinics, if you are having treatment in Trinity/UCC/Queens DH they are all cheaper.

All clinics have itemised billing, root canal treatment is one price, an amalgam/composite filling another, why were you so offended by being asked to pay for the filling?

If the standard of treatment is good, sounds like you are on a winner but if worst case scenario you need 10 RCTs and your bite needs to be changed, you are in for a hell of a lot of treatment.

A bite between upper and lower front teeth is very tight, most often people who have filings in front teeth which subsequently chip have the next filling shape altered to allow for the load sometimes at the expense of lowering the cosmetic result. The necessity to do this only often only becomes apparent after the filling chips, not before.

I wasn't offended, price for root canal was displayed but I had guessed a filling was part of it. It was never made clear it was extra. edit.. can a RCT be done to completion without a filling?

Yes I agree. The dentist made no secret of the amount of work involved. Am I on a winner? Only time will tell. I am confident though. I'm sure there will be a few hiccups along the way but hopefully they can be identified and treated at source and not become an issue when I get back. Again, I'm not turning this into an Irish versus Foreign debate!

davo10

Makood wrote: »

I wasn't offended, price for root canal was displayed but I had guessed a filling was part of it. It was never made clear it was extra. edit.. can a RCT be done to completion without a filling?

Yes I agree. The dentist made no secret of the amount of work involved. Am I on a winner? Only time will tell. I am confident though. I'm sure there will be a few hiccups along the way but hopefully they can be identified and treated at source and not become an issue when I get back. Again, I'm not turning this into an Irish versus Foreign debate!

Yes a root filling can be done to completion and sealed with a temporary filling material. A root filling only refers to the treatment of the nerve canal. A filling can be silver or white, porcelain or gold, all are additional cost.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

OP - 10 root canals and I presume the associated crowns, and bite reorganisation is complex work. Indeed 10 root canals is an unusually large amount and suggestive of a hyper aggressive style of dentistry seen in eastern europe, that so often in my experience (which is extensive) leads to significant physical, emotional and financial problems for the recovering dental tourist.

I would suggest you read my signature and think about it. This sort of a job is one that will have profound effects on your life if it goes wrong. I can assure you that standards vary wildly between dentists As the job gets more complex...the dentists needs to be better to achieve a good result.

Its your mouth to gamble with, report back.

Makood

Kynlee Glamorous Underachiever wrote: »

OP - 10 root canals and I presume the associated crowns, and bite reorganisation is complex work. Indeed 10 root canals is an unusually large amount and suggestive of a hyper aggressive style of dentistry seen in eastern europe, that so often in my experience (which is extensive) leads to significant physical, emotional and financial problems for the recovering dental tourist.

I would suggest you read my signature and think about it. This sort of a job is one that will have profound effects on your life if it goes wrong. I can assure you that standards vary wildly between dentists As the job gets more complex...the dentists needs to be better to achieve a good result.

Its your mouth to gamble with, report back.

Hi Fitzgeme. 10 root canals won't be the case-She was saying that it was an absolute worst case scenario and in reality its not going to be anything like 10. I do know for sure that I will need 3 RCT + crowns (My Irish dentists estimate) plus whatever work is needed to fix my bite.
I'm placing lot of trust in my wifes judgement here-She's in that circle and knows the good from the bad.

When I get there in March I'll get a full breakdown of the work that needs to be done and report it back.

On the hyper aggressive Easten European methods-I had a consultation with Hungarian dentists 2 years ago. They were going to grind down everything, good or bad and cap/crown/veneer etc. I walked away.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

op - I can see your decision is already made. I hope it all goes well for you.

Makood

1st appointment tomorrow. I will update on treatment to be done tomorrow evening.

Makood

Makood

Just home from my 1st appointment.

Had a full xray done and from that I need 5 extractions. 3 are wisdom, 1 is a broken eye tooth and 1 is a side tooth that I have been advised it is better to get rid of.

3 root canals were begun on front teeth. I don't believe there is any crowns etc to go on here afterwards.
Tomorrow one more root canal will start.

They gave me the option of dentures or implants along with bridges etc to replace all missing teeth, of which there are a few.

I'm looking at 5 implants with whatever bridging needs to go alongside that. I am meeting the surgeon tomorrow who will advise further.
I'm told I have to wait a minimum of 3 months before the crowns can be fitted-No suprise there. But I was also told there can be no temporary crowns fitted in the meantime which did surprise me-Maybe my wife who was translating got it wrong or maybe that is the case.

Costwise-The Root canals were €40 for the 1st stage and €40 when they are completed towards the end of next week. That's for 3 of them
The implants will cost €350-400. I'm not sure of the materials being used but I will find out tomorrow before making a decision. Any advice on implant materials would be appreciated.

My impressions so far are positive. Very friendly and informative dentists. No pressure to get anything done i.e implants.

Until tomorrow.

helimachoptor

Teeth will become more brittle once the receive a root canal so they should be crowned.

That is a lot of work you're getting

Stheno

I used have two root canals, and neither were crowned.

About eight years later one of them completely crumpled and had to be removed.

I'd be asking about crowns tbh

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Stheno wrote: »

I used have two root canals, and neither were crowned.

About eight years later one of them completely crumpled and had to be removed.

I'd be asking about crowns tbh

Shhhhhhhuuuush......dont spoil the fun

Makood

Kynlee Glamorous Underachiever wrote: »

Shhhhhhhuuuush......dont spoil the fun

Yes, there will be crowns on two teeth. A photopolymer on another. Sorry to spoil your fun Fitz.

For the record, the 2 root canals I had previously in Ireland had no crowns. Maybe that's part of the reason I am getting so much work done now.

For you, as a professional, whether you agree with what I am doing or not, your comment above is disgusting.

Makood

Oral Surgeon

Makood wrote: »

Yes, there will be crowns on two teeth. A photopolymer on another. Sorry to spoil your fun Fitz.

For the record, the 2 root canals I had previously in Ireland had no crowns. Maybe that's part of the reason I am getting so much work done now.

For you, as a professional, whether you agree with what I am doing or not, your comment above is disgusting.

Makood

Ah Makood, Fitz is being a prat because you have chosen to ignore the wealth of information on Boards about this very topic...

The benefit of boards and chat rooms in general is to get advice and learn from others mistakes... You are doing neither and are trumpeting this treatment as deadly even before the dust settles.

I hope that your treatment goes well but expect that it won't... I suppose that it is down to what you are satisfied with, we had a previous dental tourism poster who was delighted with treatment despite it falling apart after a few years and needing it all redone at his/her own cost!!

A photopolymer eh??

Makood

Oral Surgeon wrote: »

Ah Makood, Fitz is being a prat because you have chosen to ignore the wealth of information on Boards about this very topic...

The benefit of boards and chat rooms in general is to get advice and learn from others mistakes... You are doing neither and are trumpeting this treatment as deadly even before the dust settles.

I hope that your treatment goes well but expect that it won't... I suppose that it is down to what you are satisfied with, we had a previous dental tourism poster who was delighted with treatment despite it falling apart after a few years and needing it all redone at his/her own cost!!

A photopolymer eh??

I had made the decision a long time ago. As I stated previously I walked away from a hungarian dental tourism agency some time ago as I felt they were doing a lot of crazy stuff that was not needed. This is a dental hospital. Government owned. Any of the proposed work is not much different than was proposed by my last Irish dentist. With one exception, they are saving one tooth he wanted to extract.

I'm not trumpeting anything as deadly. I've only started on the treatment and so far I see nothing different from an Irish dentistry.
I wanted to report on this, good or bad and I have said that from the start.

As for the photopolymer, maybe something is lost in my wifes translation.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

The 6 stages of dental tourism.

1. Justifying the decision you already made. (after becoming the "knowledgeable mark" through research). Aggravation with anyone that hold a contrary opinion.

2. Overstatement of satisification with treatment in order to justify decisions already made. (YOU ARE HERE)

3. Happy phase where nothing is going wrong for a bit.

4. The realization phase of the scale of the issues, multiple opinions. (this is a private phase and get no done publicity)

5. Ignoring the issues. as they are too expensive to fix (this is a private phase and get no done publicity)

6. Acceptance and retreatment, this time with a knowledge that the disease processes that caused the issued need to be controlled through long term effort and monitoring. Prevention and oral care.

In 10 years moderating this forum....I have seen it all before and am rarely proved wrong. Maybe this time you will get lucky, but the general tone and content of your updates does not fill me with hope.

Makood

Kynlee Glamorous Underachiever wrote: »

The 6 stages of dental tourism.

1. Justifying the decision you already made. (after becoming the "knowledgeable mark" through research). Aggravation with anyone that hold a contrary opinion.

2. Overstatement of satisification with treatment in order to justify decisions already made. (YOU ARE HERE)

3. Happy phase where nothing is going wrong for a bit.

4. The realization phase of the scale of the issues, multiple opinions. (this is a private phase and get no done publicity)

5. Ignoring the issues. as they are too expensive to fix (this is a private phase and get no done publicity)

6. Acceptance and retreatment, this time with a knowledge that the disease processes that caused the issued need to be controlled through long term effort and monitoring. Prevention and oral care.

In 10 years moderating this forum....I have seen it all before and am rarely proved wrong. Maybe this time you will get lucky, but the general tone and content of your updates does not fill me with hope.

Thanks.

I'm only aggravated because of the negativity. Ok, you have seen it all before and I appreciate that.
My reason for trusting what I am getting done is that I am not using a for profit private clinic. The dentist who does filling and RCT, and the cosmetic dentist are her friends. The surgeon who will do the implants is not. He looks like a butcher.

At the end of the day, in Ireland, I had a choice. Spend a massive amount of money I don't have, or lose my teeth. I don't want to get "lucky". I want a job well done, within my budget.

If my updates are a bit scattered sorry. I'm relying on my wife to translate.

If you think I am getting digs in over the cost differences between here and there, look at my OP. It's all relative to what dentists make here. If I was to bring it back to Irish money, costs would be very similar.

Ok.

Visited the surgeon this afternoon.

He will do 4 implants in my lower jaw.

The upper jaw is not suitable for implants so the dentist will either have to save a tooth scheduled for removal and then it can be bridged, or I will need dentures.

The jaw could be suitable for implants if I had bone grafts. I'm not wanting to go down that road, even in Ireland.

Makood

Not being one who is interested in arguments etc, and appreciating all the advice given, i suggest this thread be closed for a year. Mods can re-open?

larksinaspic

I suggest that people mainly post here when stuff goes wrong with their dental tourism. I'm sure that there must be plenty of success stories. Is the suggested inference that the unfortunates from eastern Europe have no access to a reasonable standard of dental care in their home countries?

My personal experience is that I got two root canals done in Ireland, with no crowns, and they were not successful. I went abroad and got them re-done. The dentist was able to show me photographs of the work in progress. It took them hours to do the work - although this may have been because they had to re-do work done by an Irish dentist. they showed me x-rays of the gaps left in the filling made in Ireland

My conclusion? - not much I can draw from that. Maybe not all Irish dentists are good and not all foreign dentists are bad.

larksinaspic

I suggest that people mainly post here when stuff goes wrong with their dental tourism. I'm sure that there must be plenty of success stories. Maybe people going abroad typically have to have loads of work done, so they are less likely to get desirable results. Is the suggested inference that the unfortunates from eastern Europe have no access to a reasonable standard of dental care in their home countries?

My personal experience is that I got two root canals done in Ireland, with no crowns, and they were not successful. I went abroad and got them re-done. The dentist was able to show me photographs of the work in progress. It took them hours to do the work - although this may have been because they had to re-do work done by an Irish dentist. they showed me x-rays of the gaps left in the filling made in Ireland

My conclusion? - not much I can draw from that. Maybe not all Irish dentists are good and not all foreign dentists are bad.

Makood

larksinaspic wrote: »

I suggest that people mainly post here when stuff goes wrong with their dental tourism. I'm sure that there must be plenty of success stories. Maybe people going abroad typically have to have loads of work done, so they are less likely to get desirable results. Is the suggested inference that the unfortunates from eastern Europe have no access to a reasonable standard of dental care in their home countries?

My personal experience is that I got two root canals done in Ireland, with no crowns, and they were not successful. I went abroad and got them re-done. The dentist was able to show me photographs of the work in progress. It took them hours to do the work - although this may have been because they had to re-do work done by an Irish dentist. they showed me x-rays of the gaps left in the filling made in Ireland

My conclusion? - not much I can draw from that. Maybe not all Irish dentists are good and not all foreign dentists are bad.

I completely agree with your conclusion. But this thread is only going one way. So I'm suggesting close it for a year and I can update then.

Stheno

larksinaspic wrote: »

I suggest that people mainly post here when stuff goes wrong with their dental tourism. I'm sure that there must be plenty of success stories. Is the suggested inference that the unfortunates from eastern Europe have no access to a reasonable standard of dental care in their home countries?

My personal experience is that I got two root canals done in Ireland, with no crowns, and they were not successful. I went abroad and got them re-done. The dentist was able to show me photographs of the work in progress. It took them hours to do the work - although this may have been because they had to re-do work done by an Irish dentist. they showed me x-rays of the gaps left in the filling made in Ireland

My conclusion? - not much I can draw from that. Maybe not all Irish dentists are good and not all foreign dentists are bad.

I have a desperate fear of dentists, in most cases I have to be crying in pain before I go to one. I found a great one in Dublin (through reccomendation) and he was the business, took care of my teeth for years.

Then I had to travel and couldn't get to him so went to another dentist, it was a horror. I've gone back to my old dentist and now block out that time work wise so I see him.

My conclusion: Find a dentist you are comfortable with, who is close to you, and can establish a good relationship with you, my "normal" dentist used slag me a little to my OH about how nervous I was, but I appreciated that as he recognised it.

I'm never gonna fly to Ukraine or Latvia to see a dentist tbh.

Makood

Stheno wrote: »

I have a desperate fear of dentists, in most cases I have to be crying in pain before I go to one. I found a great one in Dublin (through reccomendation) and he was the business, took care of my teeth for years.

Then I had to travel and couldn't get to him so went to another dentist, it was a horror. I've gone back to my old dentist and now block out that time work wise so I see him.

My conclusion: Find a dentist you are comfortable with, who is close to you, and can establish a good relationship with you, my "normal" dentist used slag me a little to my OH about how nervous I was, but I appreciated that as he recognised it.

I'm never gonna fly to Ukraine or Latvia to see a dentist tbh.

Stheno, I'm the same as you. I have always had dreadful fear of dentistry. No difference in the treatment I got here to Irish apart from prices which I have tried to explain. My Irish dentist was a nice guy-I just cannot afford it at the moment.

Did I agree with his pricing-no. But this thread is not solely about pricing. Anything but.

Did I agree with his diagnosis-How can i say accurately? I'm an engineer not a dentist.

(I hope I'm not proved wrong here) But the reason I picked Ukraine, and the practice (medical hospital) is that it's my wifes home city. We have a kid who needs to see his grandparents-So it's two birds with one stone.

I have seen the horror stories (fitz). I walked away from Hungarian dentists as stated before. If it goes wrong for me, I will at least admit it.


If I have a negative about here, and it's maybe not a negative, it's that one dentist does not cure all. The lady for the last 2 days is a therapist. I meet a surgeon for extractions/implants. For cosmetics it's another man. I'd rather it otherwise but it is as it is.

ja1986

Makood wrote: »

Stheno, I'm the same as you. I have always had dreadful fear of dentistry. No difference in the treatment I got here to Irish apart from prices which I have tried to explain. My Irish dentist was a nice guy-I just cannot afford it.

Did I agree with his pricing-no. But this thread is not solely about pricing. Anything but.

Did I agree with his diagnosis-How can i say accurately? I'm an engineer not a dentist.

(I hope I'm not proved wrong here) But the reason I picked Ukraine, and the practice (medical hospital) is that it's my wifes home city. We have a kid who needs to see his grandparents-So it's two birds with one stone.

I have seen the horror stories (fitz). I walked away from Hungarian dentists as stated before. If it goes wrong for me, I will at least admit it.

Best of luck to you and hope it's not too painful. X

Stheno

Makood wrote: »

Stheno, I'm the same as you. I have always had dreadful fear of dentistry. No difference in the treatment I got here to Irish apart from prices which I have tried to explain. My Irish dentist was a nice guy-I just cannot afford it at the moment.

Did I agree with his pricing-no. But this thread is not solely about pricing. Anything but.

Did I agree with his diagnosis-How can i say accurately? I'm an engineer not a dentist.

(I hope I'm not proved wrong here) But the reason I picked Ukraine, and the practice (medical hospital) is that it's my wifes home city. We have a kid who needs to see his grandparents-So it's two birds with one stone.

I have seen the horror stories (fitz). I walked away from Hungarian dentists as stated before. If it goes wrong for me, I will at least admit it.


If I have a negative about here, and it's maybe not a negative, it's that one dentist does not cure all. The lady for the last 2 days is a therapist. I meet a surgeon for extractions/implants. For cosmetics it's another man. I'd rather it otherwise but it is as it is.

Good luck with it, key thing for me is being able to get to my dentist
A month after a root canal I had to see him due to complications and saw him next day you can't do that if they are abroad

Makood

Stheno wrote: »

Good luck with it, key thing for me is being able to get to my dentist
A month after a root canal I had to see him due to complications and saw him next day you can't do that if they are abroad

Yes, that is a risk. I have made a decision to take that risk. Again, maybe it's better I update here in a year-I have nothing much to say rather that the work I am getting done. See how it is after that might be a better idea, good or bad.

Makood

A small update. 3 root canals completed. 3 broken teeth (badly chipped) front teeth) that had been worked on by an Irish dentist with the "greatest standards" in "40 minutes" are now fixed (read my other threads) For how long? Who knows. I certainly hope longer than than before.
(1st day 1.5 hours, 2nd day 1,5 hours, days 3,4 and 5 approx 1 hour each, 1 tooth at time.)

5 days to fix 3 teeth -I don't think that qualifies as a dental tourism rushed job, however I expect the usual skepticism. Some things were lost in translation in previous posts-So see my edit below.


Implants were placed last Tuesday. I seen the Surgeon every day after for a 10 minute check up. All was ok, bar a little discomfort the 1st few days that's gone now.


I will return in September to get 2 more side teeth repaired and crowns fitted.

Makood


To any mod-feel free to examine my dental work and evaluate. Just send me a PM. I don't think this is likely though.

If you are, be prepared to give a professional opinion on this thread as to the outcome of your evaluation, positive or negative.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Makood wrote: »

To any mod-feel free to examine my dental work and evaluate. Just send me a PM. I don't think this is likely though.

If you are, be prepared to give a professional opinion on this thread as to the outcome of your evaluation, positive or negative.

I am glad you treatment so far is to your liking. Let's wait till it's all completed and sitting comfortably for a few years before the backslapping starts. I will happily provide a honest report to anyone that is willing to pay me for my consultation time and expertise, what purpose that would serve for you I dont know.

Hillmanhunter1

Hi Makood

I wish you well with your treatment.

I went to Budapest almost 6 years ago and haven't regretted it for a moment. Irish dentists don't have a monopoly on professional standards.

Regards

davo10

Hillmanhunter1 wrote: »

Hi Makood

I wish you well with your treatment.

I went to Budapest almost 6 years ago and haven't regretted it for a moment. Irish dentists don't have a monopoly on professional standards.

Regards

Makood, read back through Hillmanhunters posts, his treatment failed after a couple of years, he went back at his own expense, had to pay again for the treatment, but he is still "happy". He is a dream patient.

Hillmanhunter1

davo10 wrote: »

Makood, read back through Hillmanhunters posts, his treatment failed after a couple of years, he went back at his own expense, had to pay again for the treatment, but he is still "happy". He is a dream patient.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

davo10

Hillmanhunter1 wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Truth:

the quality or state of being true.
"he had to accept the truth of her accusation"
synonyms: veracity, truthfulness, verity, sincerity, candour, honesty, genuineness; More
that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality.
noun: the truth
"tell me the truth"
synonyms: the fact of the matter, what actually/really happened, the case, so; More
a fact or belief that is accepted as true.
plural noun: truths
"the emergence of scientific truths"
synonyms: fact, verity, certainty, certitude; More


Sometimes it hurts, I'm not attacking your character, I'm pointing out that you have posted previously that your treatment failed and you had to pay again. Truth.

I few years ago there were 4 Hungarian clinics advertising in Ireland, Tibor dental are gone after multiple law suits from dissatisfied patients, Dr Borbath (dental-implant Hungary) was struck off the Register in February after being found guilty of over treatment and poor standards, Dental Magic shut up shop leaving treatments unfinished and patients owed thousands.

http://www.dentalcouncil.ie/files/Dr Csaba Borbath - Erasure - 15 Feb 2016.pdf

Hillmanhunter1

Hi Davo10

As you well know my treatment did not fail, and six year later I am still happy with the quality and cost of my treatment.

Still untroubled by facts I see, and still resorting to the straw-man fallacy.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Just for those out there unfamiliar here is a link to the thread. In 10 years moderating this forums its my favourite thread and I love that its been brought back up. It has everything. Walter Mitty type conspiracy theorists. Dental tourism deniers, Shills, Thiefs, Irony, comedy. Its a clinker.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056526627

Oral Surgeon

Kynlee Glamorous Underachiever wrote: »

Just for those out there unfamiliar here is a link to the thread. In 10 years moderating this forums its my favourite thread and I love that its been brought back up. It has everything. Walter Mitty type conspiracy theorists. Dental tourism deniers, Shills, Thiefs, Irony, comedy. Its a clinker.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056526627

Ah, that's good reading!!

groovyg

Kynlee Glamorous Underachiever wrote: »

Just for those out there unfamiliar here is a link to the thread. In 10 years moderating this forums its my favourite thread and I love that its been brought back up. It has everything. Walter Mitty type conspiracy theorists. Dental tourism deniers, Shills, Thiefs, Irony, comedy. Its a clinker.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056526627

Wow that thread is shocking :eek:

davo10

Hillmanhunter1 wrote: »

Hi Davo10

As you well know my treatment did not fail, and six year later I am still happy with the quality and cost of my treatment.

Still untroubled by facts I see, and still resorting to the straw-man fallacy.

You provided the facts in your 2014 posts. Still in denial? I had forgotten how entertaining yours and Mary's (oconnorm) are.

Makood

davo10 wrote: »

You provided the facts in your 2014 posts. Still in denial? I had forgotten how entertaining yours and Mary's (oconnorm) are.

Can you move this to the relevant thread please. This is about another persons experience-not mine.

Hillmanhunter1

Kynlee Glamorous Underachiever wrote: »

Just for those out there unfamiliar here is a link to the thread. In 10 years moderating this forums its my favourite thread and I love that its been brought back up. It has everything. Walter Mitty type conspiracy theorists. Dental tourism deniers, Shills, Thiefs, Irony, comedy. Its a clinker.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056526627

Tut Tut Kynlee Glamorous Underachiever, you forgot the scare mongerers, lobbyists, and bullies!

groovyg

Makood wrote: »

A small update. 3 root canals completed. 3 broken teeth (badly chipped) front teeth) that had been worked on by an Irish dentist with the "greatest standards" in "40 minutes" are now fixed (read my other threads) For how long? Who knows. I certainly hope longer than than before.
(1st day 1.5 hours, 2nd day 1,5 hours, days 3,4 and 5 approx 1 hour each, 1 tooth at time.)

5 days to fix 3 teeth -I don't think that qualifies as a dental tourism rushed job, however I expect the usual skepticism. Some things were lost in translation in previous posts

I have two root canals, one was done in Ireland and it was done over three visits to the dentist with a week between each visit. The second one I had done in Spain and it involved 2 visits and was done with 10 days between each visit. It cost €110 and I remember being shocked at how cheap it was. That root canal failed and I ended up having it to be redone by my dentist here 8 years later.
5 days to fix three root canals ......seems wayy too quick.

Makood

groovyg wrote: »

I have two root canals, one was done in Ireland and it was done over three visits to the dentist with a week between each visit. The second one I had done in Spain and it involved 2 visits and was done with 10 days between each visit. It cost €110 and I remember being shocked at how cheap it was. That root canal failed and I ended up having it to be redone by my dentist here 8 years later.
5 days to fix three root canals ......seems wayy too quick.

Root canals can fail. I know. I have had in Ireland as well. If it failed after 8 years that's a bit more than I got with the tooth due for extraction (In Ireland, I would not argue with the decision to extract, it was a stump, eye tooth) that was rebuilt. How she managed to save it is for someone more knowledgeable than me.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Posters remember that you may feel ownership of "your thread" but when you start a topic it then belongs to everyone. Hillmanhunter has every right to post here, mostly because it give more information for the unseen people on the outside reading this now and in the future.

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Had a root canal done in the dental hospital years ago and it failed on the final stage just before filling and it was pulled out. It happens. Had a bridge and 2 crowns done in Belfast 16 years ago and they are perfect.

Makood

I am going to add a bit of balance to the thread, as the OP.

I know some of you mods think I am being biased, but I am doing what I am doing based on my wife's recommendations, and my budget. If I can't trust her who can I trust! I'm also not claiming to have a successful treatment. Time will tell. I'm also aware of the conflicting treatment I may have posted, don't blame me, don't blame the dentists-Blame my translator who is fluent in both Russian and English and got it a little mixed up.


As I stated in an earlier post I went to a Hungarian dentist who had a clinic locally for consultations and declined the treatment. I found the quotation and here is what was "required".

6 Extractions: 18,28,34,36,38,48

Implants: 34,36,37,45,46,47

RCT: 16,26

Porcelain Crown Fused To Metal: 11,12,13,14,15,16,21,22,
23,24,25,26,34,35,36,37,
45,46,47

Core Build Up with Pin: 13



Where I went. 3 RCT'S, 3 extractions and 4 implants.

Two more RCT when I return in September and on my top jaw-2 bridges. Crowns possibly fitted to implants. This may well take more than one more visit-As I've said before, we travel there anyway so its not an extra travel cost.


I am very aware you will never agree with what I'm doing, but I think anyone looking at the difference in treatments would agree there is something not right with one of them.

I think I may have stated in an earlier post that my Irish dentists plan was not a million miles away from what I am getting at the moment. He didn't quote for implants-I can try find his treatment plan and add as an edit later.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

OP you can do as you please, not many people are threatening to go to the ukraine for their dental work, last time I heard about dentistry there, Irish dentist were going over on their holidays to treatment the cherynobl childrens teeth for charity.

Dental work is very difficult to get right, a big dental work is really difficult to get right. There are not many dentists that can coordinate these big jobs and get it all to work together long term. Dont finds that as the economy of a country gets more low cost that the dentist skill jumps up in a inverse relationship, however the treatment plans they will take on certainly does.

Time will tell. Nobody here will remember in 5 years about your thread, and nobody here cares half as much as you think they do. If you never had to money for private dentistry in ireland then your no loss to any of the private dentists here. The only person who will gain or suffer is you.

We know that people feel the need to reinforce decisions they have made, but its only those that make decisions to have treatment at low prices that feel the need to document them on the internet for obvious reasons. I treat patients all day long that are having jobs ten times as complex done and they dont post about it. Why? They are wiser then me most obviously.

Makood

Semi expected this. It says a lot about you. I tried to post a reasonable comparison of treatments. As I guessed, a waste of my time

Makood

Kynlee Glamorous Underachiever wrote: »

OP you can do as you please, not many people are threatening to go to the ukraine for their dental work, last time I heard about dentistry there, Irish dentist were going over on their holidays to treatment the cherynobl childrens teeth for charity.

You heard, or you have evidence?

I heard Irish dentists crown every root canal.


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Originally Posted by Stheno View Post
I used have two root canals, and neither were crowned.

About eight years later one of them completely crumpled and had to be removed.

I'd be asking about crowns tbh
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