Sexual assaults in Tallaght

Sultan of Bling

Independent reporting this morning of a second sexual assault on two young sisters at 5.30pm in Springfield last Monday by a group of six men. A 14 year old girl was attacked at 4pm on the same day. It does not say whether they were linked and no description has been released of the attackers. Police studying cctv. Hopefully the b***Ards will be caught and proper sentences will be handed down by our bleeding heart judiciary.

Gatling

Gardai are saying separate incidents not linked

frostyjacks

Group of men groping girls....where have we heard that before?

stefanovich

Gatling wrote: »

Gardai are saying separate incidents not linked

I'm sorry but my first thought was migrant gangs. Where are they from? Are they linked by ethnicity?

ScouseMouse

stefanovich wrote: »

I'm sorry but my first thought was migrant gangs. Where are they from? Are they linked by ethnicity?

That's a terrible thing to say, but I have to admit, I thought the same. If it does turn out to be true, Tallaght is a place where this will not be permitted. I live there and like it, but I could see some serious disorder if it turns out to be true. We would be talking some serious vigilantism.

frostyjacks

stefanovich wrote: »

I'm sorry but my first thought was migrant gangs. Where are they from? Are they linked by ethnicity?

Gardaí are appealing for information but haven't released a description of the gang. That's a red flag right there.

stefanovich

frostyjacks wrote: »

Gardaí are appealing for information but haven't released a description of the gang. That's a red flag right there.

So the guards are so afraid of being labelled racist they leave out extremely important information, jeopardising the chances of these people being caught? I hope this is not true. I really hope so.

Sultan of Bling

It is strange 5 days after this happened that no description has been released. The two incidents happened at busy times, 4.00 (schools finishing) and 5.30 (people returning from work). Surely some description should be given while people's memories are fresh. If it is attacks similar to what happened in cologne and I stress "if" this could have serious repurcussions for the government, election and all that. Could they have told the gardai not to release the full story?

It's all speculation on my part I admit but something just doesn't add up here.

Gatling

I live in the area there's been very little if any information from the gardai ,
You do get a large mix of teenagers passing through and hanging around the area ,some irish ,some travellers ,Romanians ,Africans and so on .
I certainly wouldnt be looking for something that isn't there .

neris

stefanovich wrote: »

So the guards are so afraid of being labelled racist they leave out extremely important information, jeopardising the chances of these people being caught? I hope this is not true. I really hope so.

PC bull **** gone mad if the police in any country cant describe perpetrators by skin colour or ethinicity.

miamee

stefanovich wrote: »

So the guards are so afraid of being labelled racist they leave out extremely important information, jeopardising the chances of these people being caught? I hope this is not true. I really hope so.

Do you know anything about this investigation or are you just jumping to conclusions? The Gardaí don't normally share more information than they have to on an ongoing investigation.

If anyone wants to read the article the OP referred to, it's here.

recedite

I thought they usually gave a description of the suspects and appealed for the public to keep an eye out for them. Often a photofit image too.

stefanovich

miamee wrote:

Do you know anything about this investigation or are you just jumping to conclusions? The Gardaí don't normally share more information than they have to on an ongoing investigation.

Usually a description of the suspects is given. Why no description?

January

Moved from Dublin City to Dublin County South.

Chris_Heilong

It does sound like a very un-Irish thing to do, if they happen to be foreign there will be hell to pay and hopefully the media will be all over it and not cover up the facts for fear of social unrest.

GalwayMagpie

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

It does sound like a very un-Irish thing to do, if they happen to be foreign there will be hell to pay and hopefully the media will be all over it and not cover up the facts for fear of social unrest.

Not sure if serious. The MSM will do as they are told, if this turns out the be in the same vein as events in Cologne or Rotherham, it will only get into the MSM because the noise on the new media becomes too much.

RasTa

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

It does sound like a very un-Irish thing to do, if they happen to be foreign there will be hell to pay and hopefully the media will be all over it and not cover up the facts for fear of social unrest.

Could have being a group of pedo priests going by this logic

Dodge

stefanovich wrote: »

I'm sorry but my first thought was migrant gangs. Where are they from? Are they linked by ethnicity?

And sure no Irish girl/boy was ever assaulted before the immigrants. :rolleyes:

Whoever it is, is pure scum. Hopefully they're caught and brought to full justice

youtube!

Dodge wrote: »

And sure no Irish girl/boy was ever assaulted before the immigrants. :rolleyes:

Whoever it is, is pure scum. Hopefully they're caught and brought to full justice

I personally never heard of "gangs" assaulting any kids , rapists and pedos by their very nature are "loners, when it becomes a gang rape or assault scenario it does not take a genius to work out which group of people with their misogynistic
ideology would carry out such attacks. The media blackout is disgusting.

PokeHerKing

Dodge wrote:

And sure no Irish girl/boy was ever assaulted before the immigrants.

So basically your saying, we've loads of home grown sickos in the country already so why would we stop other countries sickos from coming here?

Great logic.

miamee

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

It does sound like a very un-Irish thing to do, if they happen to be foreign there will be hell to pay and hopefully the media will be all over it and not cover up the facts for fear of social unrest.

But no "hell to pay" if they happen to be local lads?! What they did was disgusting and inexcusable, wherever they are from.

5h4n375

Gatling wrote: »

I live in the area there's been very little if any information from the gardai ,
You do get a large mix of teenagers passing through and hanging around the area ,some irish ,some travellers ,Romanians ,Africans and so on .
I certainly wouldnt be looking for something that isn't there .

I'm curious, how do you know a Romanian when you see one? Do you mean a Roma gypsy?

Dodge

PokeHerKing wrote: »

So basically your saying, we've loads of home grown sickos in the country already so why would we stop other countries sickos from coming here?

Great logic.

It's not anything close to what I said.

Bob24

frostyjacks wrote: »

Group of men groping girls....where have we heard that before?

As of lately I have mostly heard of a group of 1000 men groping 100s of women in the middle of a crowd and in front of a powerless police force.

Even though perpetrators are equally shameful in both cases, in fairness the scale of the incident is quite different from the individual assaults reported above which are not a mass coordinated attack perpetrated by people who have obviously no shame to do it in front of the public.

5h4n375

frostyjacks wrote: »

Group of men groping girls....where have we heard that before?

Copper Face Jacks ...

rubadub

stefanovich wrote: »

So the guards are so afraid of being labelled racist they leave out extremely important information, jeopardising the chances of these people being caught? I hope this is not true. I really hope so.

neris wrote: »

PC bull **** gone mad if the police in any country cant describe perpetrators by skin colour or ethinicity.

It's not only "alleged perpetrators", I remember maybe 3-4 years back a girl went missing, her name struck me as quite unusual, sounded possibly African, however there was absolutley no mention of skin colour, I don't think nationality either. It had some description though, like 18 years old, 5 foot 2, slim build, dark hair, last seen with a yellow jacket. Turned out she was black as I expected.

Sultan of Bling

Gardai are questioning a number of youths aged 14 - 17 in connection with first assault. None of them are from the Tallaght area.

strandroad

Sultan of Bling wrote: »

Gardai are questioning a number of youths aged 14 - 17 in connection with first assault. None of them are from the Tallaght area.

The Indo says they are:
Sources say none of the youths, who are all juveniles and from the Tallaght area, have been arrested, but they have been spoken to "informally" by the investigation team.

Sultan of Bling

Apologies, mis-read the article. Mistook the word "and", for "are" in the second paragraph.

strandroad

Sultan of Bling wrote: »

Apologies, mis-read the article. Mistook the word "and", for "are" in the second paragraph.

Yes it's not very clear, is it...
This is about the first assault though, and not the second. I would still think that we have enough of our own feral youths before I look any further.

riffmongous

For those saying gang rapes are rare in Ireland, this article was from a few years ago

Growing numbers of teenagers are being sexually assaulted or gang raped by other teens, a children’s charity has warned.

Cari said it was alarmed by the dramatic rise in reports of attacks by multiple perpetrators in 2012, which more than doubled to 41 from 20 in 2011.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/dramatic-rise-in-number-of-irish-teenagers-reporting-gang-rape-by-peers-608144.html

dissed doc

So what is the truth here? No description of the attackers means we can presume they are not white, not Irish and not women. Minority groups are protected from discrimination by media in the law. Therefore logic can 100% determine that the group of attackers was a minority group.

What minority groups are protected? Homosexuals, non-Christians, non-white ethnic groups, "women" (insofar as the legislation includes gender discrimination).

Therefore, a group of non-Irish non-Christian males committed a group sex attack in Tallaght. If anyone has any clarifiying information, please supply it. Otherwise, logic, the law and the reports so far suggest what it is. As if it is a surprise.

and by non-Irish, I mean ethnic Irish: this is different to the naturalised resident holder of a passport of Ireland.

dissed doc

So what is the truth here? No description of the attackers means we can presume they are not white, not Irish and not women. Minority groups are protected from discrimination by media in the law. Therefore logic can 100% determine that the group of attackers was a minority group.

What minority groups are protected? Homosexuals, non-Christians, non-white ethnic groups, "women" (insofar as the legislation includes gender discrimination).

Therefore, a group of non-Irish non-Christian males committed a group sex attack in Tallaght. If anyone has any clarifiying information, please supply it. Otherwise, logic, the law and the reports so far suggest what it is. As if it is a surprise.

and by non-Irish, I mean ethnic Irish: this is different to the naturalised resident holder of a passport of Ireland.

aphex™

Here's another gang rape, from Rathfarnham. I think it actually happened nearby in Knocklyon.

Honestly, when I heard about it at the time it was first reported around the time it happened I think there was some indication that the boys involved were foreign nationals. But, I cannot find any referenced to this anymore.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/district-court/one-of-five-boys-accused-of-sex-with-girl-15-opts-for-trial-by-jury-1.2515305

strandroad

aphex™ wrote: »

Here's another gang rape, from Rathfarnham. I think it actually happened nearby in Knocklyon.

Honestly, when I heard about it at the time it was first reported around the time it happened I think there was some indication that the boys involved were foreign nationals. But, I cannot find any referenced to this anymore.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/district-court/one-of-five-boys-accused-of-sex-with-girl-15-opts-for-trial-by-jury-1.2515305

I don't think so, in the articles in the Indo when it first became known the five Rathfarnham boys were referred to as local lads from "respectable" families, wearing suits not tracksuits to the court.

I think that people underestimate the scale of baseline sexual assaults that are happening every day without any imported input (which still remains a potential threat, of course).

aphex™

mhge wrote: »

I don't think so, in the articles in the Indo when it first became known the five Rathfarnham boys were referred to as local lads from "respectable" families, wearing suits not tracksuits to the court.

I think that people underestimate the scale of baseline sexual assaults that are happening every day without any imported input (which still remains a potential threat, of course).

Link? It hasn't come to court yet. You have to google Knocklyon to find the original mentions of it, but now the media have changed it to Rathfarnham.

Ash.J.Williams

aphex™ wrote: »

Link? It hasn't come to court yet. You have to google Knocklyon to find the original mentions of it, but now the media have changed it to Rathfarnham.

It has

strandroad

aphex™ wrote: »

Link? It hasn't come to court yet.

OK so whatever they were attending with their parents. It was actually a good while ago at the start of the proceedings... I'll try to find the link.

aphex™

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

It has

Well, I spent a lot of time Googling the case before I made the post, and I couldn't find any other mentions of any court appearences other than the one I posted.

Perhaps if you posted a link your 'it has' post would be more useful, informative etc.

Awaiting your link.

Bob24

riffmongous wrote: »

For those saying mass assaults are rare in Ireland, this article was from a few years ago



http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/dramatic-rise-in-number-of-irish-teenagers-reporting-gang-rape-by-peers-608144.html

There might be a mismatch with the definition of mass assaults. For me it is a unique incident which involves several victims and at least dozens of perpetrator.
The hundreds of victims and thousand perpetrators in Cologne definitly fit my definition (as do some of the smaller scale incidents in other German cities), but I don't see anything in your link suggesting anything like that happened in Ireland (it is mentioning "gang rape" which could be one victim and 2 or 3 perpetrators).

Don't get me wrong I am not saying in any way that taking part in a smaller scale "gang rape" is not as evil as take part of the Cologne assaults, just that I don't think calling it a mass assault is an appropriate description (how do you call Cologne then, which is definitely a much larger scale assault?)

strandroad

That's the piece I mentioned:
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/amid-the-usual-teen-court-dramas-a-case-that-will-shock-the-nation-34260969.html

The voice of the teenage boy was barely audible. Glancing back nervously at his mother and father, the schoolboy asked Judge Patricia McNamara, presiding over the children's court list at Tallaght District Court, if he could speak to his parents. The professional, middle-class couple, who seemed at sea in a court that all too frequently processes the life and crimes of troubled children in care, in turn looked to their barrister Conor McKenna for support.

The boys are well dressed, the judge is compassionate etc etc.

riffmongous

Bob24 wrote: »

There might be a mismatch with the definition of mass assaults. For me it is a unique incident which involves several victims and at least dozens of perpetrator.
The hundreds of victims and thousand perpetrators in Cologne definitly fit my definition (as do some of the smaller scale incidents in other German cities), but I don't see anything in your link suggesting anything like that happened in Ireland (it is mentioning "gang rape" which could be one victim and 2 or 3 perpetrators).

Don't get me wrong I am not saying in any way that taking part in a smaller scale "gang rape" is not as evil as take part of the Cologne assaults, just that I don't think calling it a mass assault is an appropriate description (how do you call Cologne then, which is definitely a much larger scale assault?)

I didn't think too much about it, fixed now though

recedite

mhge wrote: »

That's the piece I mentioned:
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/amid-the-usual-teen-court-dramas-a-case-that-will-shock-the-nation-34260969.html

The voice of the teenage boy was barely audible......

Drunken sex at private parties is unfortunately a well established part of our cultural history. Its illegal because of the inability of a drunk to give consent, and its even worse when it involves an underage (minor). It is avoidable though.

This thread was discussing a phenomenon that is new. Groups of men hanging around public places, molesting and even assaulting women simply because they are travelling unaccompanied by men, and possibly are displaying some small amount of uncovered skin. That is not a part of our cultural heritage.

strandroad

recedite wrote: »

Drunken sex at private parties is unfortunately a well established part of our cultural history. Its illegal because of the inability of a drunk to give consent, and its even worse when it involves an underage (minor). It is avoidable though.

This thread was discussing a phenomenon that is new. Groups of men hanging around public places, molesting and even assaulting women simply because they are travelling unaccompanied by men, and possibly are displaying some small amount of uncovered skin. That is not a part of our cultural heritage.

I think you're somewhat optimistic. My friend lives near to where a group of teenagers likes to hang out by the Centra. She's been harassed many times only because she's busty, with groping attempts too. She warns her other friends when we visit. Another friend was walking through the Liberties when a lad came up and grabbed her crotch with a lewd comment as other lads watched and laughed. A couple I know pulled out of a purchase of a house because of a similar incident - they didn't know the area very well but their relative lives there, and she told them that just days before a local girl was mass groped like that, luckily she was with a sibling who ran and got a neighbour. In broad daylight too. These are common enough incidents and to be honest it's quite likely that the groping assault in Tallaght was reported on mainly because of the rape that had happened in the vicinity and the possibility that the two were linked. As a woman you'd have to have your head firmly in the clouds to believe it's not happening.

I have no idea if Tallaght gropers are foreign or not, the point is that they don't need to be. It's actually sad how everyone starts paying attention now after Cologne etc. while earlier local incidents would be shrugged off. That girl who wrote in the Indo about the amount of unwanted attention she got as she walked down Camden St in her plain coat, she got a lot of ire and princess or she should be so lucky comments. Had she said that her abusers looked foreign there would be outrage. Why is that?

mahamageehad

I imagine that no description has been given as the suspects in question are underage.

Plus if this is to be believed the gang who assaulted the two sisters has been described as "Eastern European".

riffmongous

So no more word on this?

RebelButtMunch

[url] http://www.sundayworld.com/news/crimedesk/mother-of-tallaght-sex-attack-victims-describes-horrific-incident [/url]

"The sisters are “very shaken” after the assault and in shock, but their mum said both daughters would be able to identify the boys who carried out the assaults, who were described to gardai as of Eastern European origin."

RebelButtMunch

[url] http://www.sundayworld.com/news/crimedesk/mother-of-tallaght-sex-attack-victims-describes-horrific-incident [/url]

"The sisters are “very shaken” after the assault and in shock, but their mum said both daughters would be able to identify the boys who carried out the assaults, who were described to gardai as of Eastern European origin."

Dodge

More on the Sunday World site

http://www.sundayworld.com/news/crimedesk/mother-of-tallaght-sex-attack-victims-describes-horrific-incident

their mum said both daughters would be able to identify the boys who carried out the assaults, who were described to gardai as of Eastern European origin.

The girls’ mother stressed she did not want to tar all foreign nationals as many are valued members of the local community.

“They didn’t know them, but they would recognise them if they saw them again,” she said.

RebelButtMunch

http://evoke.ie/news/irish-news/tallaght-rape-investigation-dublin

"Gardai investigating the rape of a 14-year-old girl in broad daylight have seized mobile phones of five people linked to the horrific attack."

RebelButtMunch

http://evoke.ie/news/irish-news/tallaght-rape-investigation-dublin

"Gardai investigating the rape of a 14-year-old girl in broad daylight have seized mobile phones of five people linked to the horrific attack."