HSE attitude

sillysmiles

I find this really quite sad but indicative of how dog unfriendly and how incapable of independent thought and personal responsibility we are becoming as a nation.
http://www.newstalk.com/This-Dublin-pub-has-been-told-to-turn-away-its-fourlegged-regulars

I was in the UK last year and it was lovely to see a well behaved dog in a pub. I love the idea of going for a walk with the dog, stopping for lunch and a pint and continuing on your walk but I don't know of anywhere that it is possible to do that locally.

hardCopy

That sucks. I wouldn't trust my own dog to behave in a crowded pub but have seen plenty of other dogs behave themselves abroad and at outside tables. Would love to be able to take him for a pint when he matures a bit.

oppenheimer1

sillysmiles wrote: »

I find this really quite sad but indicative of how dog unfriendly and how incapable of independent thought and personal responsibility we are becoming as a nation.
http://www.newstalk.com/This-Dublin-pub-has-been-told-to-turn-away-its-fourlegged-regulars

I was in the UK last year and it was lovely to see a well behaved dog in a pub. I love the idea of going for a walk with the dog, stopping for lunch and a pint and continuing on your walk but I don't know of anywhere that it is possible to do that locally.

This is absolutely the right thing. I love dogs but they don't belong in pubs or restaurants or public transport ( guide dogs aside).

mel.b

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

This is absolutely the right thing. I love dogs but they don't belong in pubs or restaurants or public transport ( guide dogs aside).

I disagree. One of the things i love about visiting places like Germany is that people can take their dogs everywhere. We saw them in resturants, hotels, trains and ferries. Its such a friendly inclusive attitude and maybe if were allowed to do it here, dogs would be more part of the family rather than being left in backyards.

L1011

I'm entirely in agreement with the HSE here. As well behaved as anyones dogs can be, they are an unquantifiable health risk. I wouldn't frequent a pub or restaurant that allowed dogs in anyway so it wouldn't directly impact on me if one did, but the health concerns are still there.

SillyMangoX

They wouldn't want to visit my local so! The owner regularly brings her German Shepard pup for socialisation, and we even have one dog that will usually come down with his owner, but when the owner isn't drinking for November, the dog still comes down on his own to chill out! (And get his bag of taytos :pac: )

tk123

L1011 wrote: »

I'm entirely in agreement with the HSE here. As well behaved as anyones dogs can be, they are an unquantifiable health risk. I wouldn't frequent a pub or restaurant that allowed dogs in anyway so it wouldn't directly impact on me if one did, but the health concerns are still there.

Every pub/restaurant would allow guide/service dogs who are no more hygienic than other dogs. I pulled one out of a putrid lake the other day helping someone who then marched it into a coffee shop into the same park(!):eek:

muddypaws

L1011 wrote: »

I'm entirely in agreement with the HSE here. As well behaved as anyones dogs can be, they are an unquantifiable health risk. I wouldn't frequent a pub or restaurant that allowed dogs in anyway so it wouldn't directly impact on me if one did, but the health concerns are still there.

I'm not looking for an argument, but could you please tell me what 'unquantifiable health risk' a dog would pose in a pub.

All pubs and restaurants have to allow guide dogs/assistance dogs in by law, so I guess you never go out?

oppenheimer1

muddypaws wrote: »

I'm not looking for an argument, but could you please tell me what 'unquantifiable health risk' a dog would pose in a pub.

All pubs and restaurants have to allow guide dogs/assistance dogs in by law, so I guess you never go out?

They are dirty, and in my experience the kind of people who insist on talking their dogs into pubs and restaurants don't look after their dogs properly. They love them but they're generally smelly and filthy.

VonVix

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

They are dirty, and in my experience the kind of people who insist on talking their dogs into pubs and restaurants don't look after their dogs properly. They love them but they're generally smelly and filthy.

Have you not seen some of the people in pubs??? :eek:

muddypaws

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

They are dirty, and in my experience the kind of people who insist on talking their dogs into pubs and restaurants don't look after their dogs properly. They love them but they're generally smelly and filthy.

If you're going to answer on behalf of another poster - can you please tell me what 'unquantifiable health risk' dogs pose in pubs.

tk123

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

They are dirty, and in my experience the kind of people who insist on talking their dogs into pubs and restaurants don't look after their dogs properly. They love them but they're generally smelly and filthy.

What pubs and/or restaurants have you experienced this in out of interest?

Knine

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

They are dirty, and in my experience the kind of people who insist on talking their dogs into pubs and restaurants don't look after their dogs properly. They love them but they're generally smelly and filthy.

I travel all over Ireland with my dogs. Thet regularly go into all sorts of places with us. They stay in hotels in the room with us. My dogs are certainly not smelly & filthy. So what exactly is your experience? I'm thinking you have very little experience.

DBB

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

They are dirty, and in my experience the kind of people who insist on talking their dogs into pubs and restaurants don't look after their dogs properly. They love them but they're generally smelly and filthy.

My experience has been the polar opposite, ie people who bring their dogs places with them look after them tremendously well and keep them clean... At least as clean as any guide dog.

So. What can we conclude from that?

gctest50

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

This is absolutely the right thing. I love dogs but they don't belong in pubs or restaurants or public transport ( guide dogs aside).

how bout cats then ?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-34871580

intheclouds

Are they going to prevent Therapy Dogs visiting nursing homes and hospitals too?

joxer1988

He probably sneaks out with his doggy mates and goes knacker drinking behind your back so I hope you don't think you'll be taking him for his first pint!

tara83

Lovely to see well behaved animals in a pub. I'd welcome them over a lot of the snot covered kids leaving chewed up food and sticky mess everywhereðŸ˜႒

One of the things I like about Europe is their sensible attitude to 1animals and 2 Hygiene

Cows Go µ

DBB wrote: »

My experience has been the polar opposite, ie people who bring their dogs places with them look after them tremendously well and keep them clean... At least as clean as any guide dog.

So. What can we conclude from that?

Me too, any time I have seen dogs in pubs etc they have always been great. It's generally people who treat them like one of the family who bring them along.

It's something my parents get to do when they go abroad with their dogs but not here because Ireland isn't pet friendly at all.

sillysmiles

I suspect that the type of dog owners who keep their dogs locked in the back garden, dogs that are unkempt and poorly socialised are unlikely to bring there dogs with them.
The type of people for who their dogs are part of the family, go places with them, and live inside with them are (imo) more likely to being their dogs with them. Dogs that are socialised and cleaned.

Layinghen

In Italy, Spain, France no problem bringing your dog with you when you go out for a meal or a drink. The UK have lots of dog friendly premises, Germany is very accommodating towards our furry friends. Here in Ireland why are our dogs treated so differently?

I think it is very sad when you can't take your best pal into cafe or pub with you and you are so grateful if they have a smoking area with seating out the front where you are left dine or drink alfresco.

Dubl07

It's not just annoying to Irish dog owners. I'm in a number of dog forums and lots of UK and Europeans would like to tour Ireland but while it's possible to find accommodation, it's patchy and often unsuitable (no enclosed garden space and dogs can't be left home alone) or the dogs are merely tolerated. Having to leave the poor dogs in the car because there's nowhere to eat or drink is abhorrent to most responsible dog-owners. They'll generally make other arrangements for places in Wales, East Anglia, Cornwall, France, Italy etc where dogs are welcome on some beaches, pubs and restaurants. Irish policies are allowing the UK to hoover up mainland UK and continental people and the continent to take the lion's share of UK dog owners.

Allowing pet dogs in shouldn't be forced on a premises but it definitely shouldn't be banned by an agency which is more responsible for the ill-health and death of humans in the state due to hospital waiting times, grubbiness, grime and mismanagement than any other since the famine. This is their latest bugbear when depression and loneliness are at critical levels? Clean up your act, HSE. Look at the mote in your own eye.

PucaMama

mel.b wrote: »

I disagree. One of the things i love about visiting places like Germany is that people can take their dogs everywhere. We saw them in resturants, hotels, trains and ferries. Its such a friendly inclusive attitude and maybe if were allowed to do it here, dogs would be more part of the family rather than being left in backyards.

We can't do all that here and my dogs still aren't left outside. The type of person to leave their dog in the back garden aren't the ones who want to bring them to the pub.

Subcomandante Marcos

When I'm back in Spain with family myself and my grandfather go to some of the local bars for Tapas every other evening and his perro de agua always comes with us, when my grand father goes into the village to meet his friends for coffee in the mornings, the dog goes with him, he gets the train or bus into Granada city centre with him a few times per week. Basically the dog goes everywhere with him and nobody bats an eye.

That's how it should be everywhere, the dog sits at his feet on the pavement or on the tiles in a restaurant and chills out while he chats to his friends and doesn't bother anyone unless the owners or other patrons decide to have a chat with him in which case he'll let them pat him or do the odd trick for them in return for a rub.

hardCopy

My dog is no more dirty than my own boots.

I generally find people with the best trained and socialised dogs are the most well looked after, the smelly dogs are the neglected ones locked in a garden day and night.

oppenheimer1

muddypaws wrote: »

If you're going to answer on behalf of another poster - can you please tell me what 'unquantifiable health risk' dogs pose in pubs.

A dog is liable to piss and/or shite on the floor.Other patrons could be allergic to hair. How is the owner of the business meant to know if the animal is properly socialised as well.

All well and good until a child (or adult) stands on a cranky dogs tail and gets bitten. Why would a business owner want that liability when s/he will earn nothing extra for taking that risk?

intheclouds

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

A dog is liable to piss and/or shite on the floor.Other patrons could be allergic to hair. How is the owner of the business meant to know if the animal is properly socialised as well.

All well and good until a child (or adult) stands on a cranky dogs tail and gets bitten. Why would a business owner want that liability when s/he will earn nothing extra for taking that risk?

I've worked in restaurants and I can categorically state that children are FAR more likely to piss, ****, vomit and spread snot not only on the floor, but on tables, chairs, other patrons.....

I'd imagine if I was allergic to dog hair I'd choose not to pet the dog?

Why would people be standing on cranky dogs tails? Seriously?

PucaMama

intheclouds wrote: »

I've worked in restaurants and I can categorically state that children are FAR more likely to piss, ****, vomit and spread snot not only on the floor, but on tables, chairs, other patrons.....

I'd imagine if I was allergic to dog hair I'd choose not to pet the dog?

Why would people be standing on cranky dogs tails? Seriously?

People could stand on a tail completely by accident. And have you forgotten hair can leave the dog? And float around?

gctest50

PucaMama wrote: »

...........And have you forgotten hair can leave the dog? And float around?

at least they don't poo in yer drink

http://www.pccc.edu/uploads/Xu/1x/Xu1xPvHvoXeYex8Gf1Uh0Q/JEH_Dec_07_with_Copyright.pdf


"They put lemon in my Diet Coke, I didn't ask for it, and so I decided to do a study."

Loving and her team swabbed for bacteria as soon as drinks hit the table at restaurants all around Paterson, New Jersey.

"You would think they had dipped the lemons in raw meat," she said, referring to the high levels of bacteria that she found.

The swabs of lemon wedges revealed everything from high counts of fecal bacteria to a couple of dozen other microorganisms

oppenheimer1

gctest50 wrote: »

at least they don't poo in yer drink

Whataboutery. Other poor hygiene practices do not excuse the poor hygiene practice of allowing animals where food is served.

Knine

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Whataboutery. Other poor hygiene practices do not excuse the poor hygiene practice of allowing animals where food is served.

Food is served in my house & I have 4 dogs. I've not poisoned anyone yet.