Where are all the Masculists?

Sheeps

It seems there's a thread in here every week about both actual gender equality issues and threads about ridiculous outrage cause by some trivial non issue, bra burning man hating munters. Why isn't there the same masculist "outrage" at the trivial things feminists seem to be getting their knickers in a twist about, rather than being concerned about actual legitimate feminist and equality issues?

The idea that sexism only affects one sex is ridiculous. Where's the other side? Why do we need both? Why can't we just be focused on gender equality instead of having both sides represented. Surely if your focus was truly on equality you wouldn't need two terms and two agendas to promote equality for either group of sexes.

BattleCorp

I'm on the other side. My protest involves murdering women to get even with feminists.

God rewards me with music and coloured lights inside my head.

ScumLord

I suppose masculinity isn't associated with saying the "girls said something mean to me". Which is basically as much as feminism can do in a male dominated world. It's a bit different to women complaining that they haven't had a fair go yet.

RWCNT

Sheeps wrote: »

It seems there's a thread in here every week about both actual gender equality issues and threads about ridiculous outrage cause by some trivial non issue, bra burning man hating munters. Why isn't there the same masculist "outrage" at the trivial things feminists seem to be getting their knickers in a twist about, rather than being concerned about actual legitimate feminist and equality issues?

Why do you feel the need to use this sort of language when referring to other people? Also, who gets to decide what a "legitimate" feminist/equality issue is? You?

Huntergonzo

Where are all the Masculists?

Busy living life and not being uptight all the time would be my guess. Feminists don't have time for those 2 activities though, they're too busy inventing ways to be outraged.

K-9

Masculism seems to be more aimed at criticising feminism than anything else, just seems a very negative thing over all. So the oft times whinging feminists do is matched by masculists whinging at feminism.

There are some great points made about men's rights, but you have to dig through the crap to see them.

c_man

We're having fun down at the YCMA. You should come along too OP.

kylith

They're much too busy with important things like declaring that all feminists are hairy arm pitted uggos to bother with such trivial issues as rights for unmarried fathers or the constant portrayal of men as clueless idiots in the media. It's about priorities ffs.

Jim Bob Scratcher

They're all gone MGTOW

Ally Dick

I have posted before about the man bashing that goes on in adverts, making men out to be thick, and incapable of looking after themselves. That advert for Hotels Combined is a good case in point, where the man is up all night checking out the best price of hotel. He has around 10 laptops plugged in, and is acting like Smeegol when his wife comes into the room, and tells him to simply just go to the Hotels Combined website. At one stage he is hanging upside down like a monkey

Don't forget, human beings can only care about one thing at a time. So choose carefully, because you don't get to flit between things.

Dem feminists, though.

jimgoose

Because men don't take a blind bit of notice of this kind of crap, there's usually something more interesting to do in the shed.

Magico Gonzalez

I burnt a pair of skidmarked boxers just this morning, my wife knows not to ask me to be making her breakfast anymore in that tone of voice.

KomradeBishop

They are the ones starting all the threads about feminists - that's their primary outrage.

You'll notice from them that mens rights issues come second, bashing on feminists comes first.

jimgoose

Ally Dick wrote: »

I have posted before about the man bashing that goes on in adverts, making men out to be thick, and incapable of looking after themselves...

This is appealing to the modern "thick is cool", "ooh I'm so hip and interleckcheral I can't even wire a plug" mindset that often leads to MRA-ism out of sheer helplessness and fear.

riffmongous

K-9 wrote: »

Masculism seems to be more aimed at criticising feminism than anything else, just seems a very negative thing over all. So the oft times whinging feminists do is matched by masculists whinging at feminism.

There are some great points made about men's rights, but you have to dig through the crap to see them.

This seems to be it alright, the only thing I'd disagree with is 'matched', at least on boards there seems to be far more masculist whingers

stoneill

I was going to join, but the wife wouldn't let me.

Sheeps

Sheeps wrote: »

It seems there's a thread in here every week about both actual gender equality issues and threads about ridiculous outrage cause by some trivial non issue, bra burning man hating munters. Why isn't there the same masculist "outrage" at the trivial things feminists seem to be getting their knickers in a twist about, rather than being concerned about actual legitimate feminist and equality issues?

The idea that sexism only affects one sex is ridiculous. Where's the other side? Why do we need both? Why can't we just be focused on gender equality instead of having both sides represented. Surely if your focus was truly on equality you wouldn't need two terms and two agendas to promote equality for either group of sexes.

Truth.

It really shouldn't be man-hating-munters against creepy-losers.

It should be Landwhales against Virginerds, now that's a debate I'd pay money to see.

jimgoose

Candie wrote: »

Truth.

It really shouldn't be man-hating-munters against creepy-losers.

It should be Landwhales against Virginerds, now that's a debate I'd pay money to see.

Hear-hear. As a matineé to "Jaaag-Driving Wallet-Mislaying Alphas vs. Seven-Foot Valkyries in Bikinis".

Azalea

Ally Dick wrote: »

I have posted before about the man bashing that goes on in adverts, making men out to be thick, and incapable of looking after themselves. That advert for Hotels Combined is a good case in point, where the man is up all night checking out the best price of hotel. He has around 10 laptops plugged in, and is acting like Smeegol when his wife comes into the room, and tells him to simply just go to the Hotels Combined website. At one stage he is hanging upside down like a monkey

Yes, this is shyte in my opinion. Not just ads: movies, TV shows, music videos, social media memes.

jimgoose

jimgoose wrote: »

Hear-hear. As a matineé to "Jaaag-Driving Wallet-Mislaying Alphas vs. Seven-Foot Valkyries in Bikinis".

That's me out, Jim. You can still audition though!

Huntergonzo

In fairness there really should be no such thing as masculists or feminists, if we were all serious about equality then we'd just have humanists.

smash

Ally Dick wrote: »

I have posted before about the man bashing that goes on in adverts, making men out to be thick, and incapable of looking after themselves. That advert for Hotels Combined is a good case in point, where the man is up all night checking out the best price of hotel. He has around 10 laptops plugged in, and is acting like Smeegol when his wife comes into the room, and tells him to simply just go to the Hotels Combined website. At one stage he is hanging upside down like a monkey

That was a cover up for staying up all night having a marathon porn watching wankfest.

jimgoose

Candie wrote: »

That's me out, Jim. You can still audition though!

The hell it is. Seven-Foot Valkyrie-ism is mostly in the mind. And the sashay.

I can sashay with the best of the munters! I'm all sashay and no sense of humor!

_Whimsical_

They're all in the Gentleman's Club forum for all your masculinist needs like discussing everyday sexism you've encountered as a man etc.

smash

Huntergonzo wrote: »

In fairness there really should be no such thing as masculists or feminists, if we were all serious about equality then we'd just have humanists.

That wouldn't suite the animal lovers

Ally Dick

jimgoose wrote: »

there's usually something more interesting to do in the shed.

Like revisiting the porn stash

jimgoose

Ally Dick wrote: »

Like revisiting the porn stash

Precisely. Mmmm those old Cologne V6s... :cool:

smash

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

They're all in the Gentleman's Club forum for all your masculinist needs like discussing everyday sexism you've encountered as a man etc.

You haven't spent much time in TGC, have you?

everlast75

I've absolutely no clue what this thread is about!

walshyn93

I'm not quite sure what exactly a masculist is but if it's what I think it is I'd imagine they don't have it in them to spend much time complaining and just get on with things unlike their feminist counterparts.

everlast75

everlast75 wrote: »

I've absolutely no clue what this thread is about!

Me either, and I'm pretty outraged at the lack of outrage about it.

Ally Dick

Ally Dick wrote: »

Like revisiting the porn stash

That is what my father calls cleaning his golf clubs.

K-9

K-9 wrote: »

Masculism seems to be more aimed at criticising feminism than anything else, just seems a very negative thing over all. So the oft times whinging feminists do is matched by masculists whinging at feminism.

There are some great points made about men's rights, but you have to dig through the crap to see them.

TBH you can say the exact same thing about feminism. A lot of it is buried under so much hate spewing crap that the real message gets lost.

Where is masculism? Buried under the rug, because to be vocal about it gets you shouted at many places.

Huntergonzo

smash wrote: »

That wouldn't suite the animal lovers

What do we call them, is it hippies? I'm cool with hippies.

nullzero

They're all off being emasculated by femininazis.

Sheeps

Huntergonzo wrote: »

What do we call them, is it hippies? I'm cool with hippies.

No, hippies love trees.

smash

Huntergonzo wrote: »

What do we call them, is it hippies? I'm cool with hippies.

No, that's not how it works. You see if you have humanists and then it doesn't suite the animal lovers then you need to come up with a name that would somehow indicate that they're anti-humanist so that we can alienate them and start wars. Let's call them... hitlerists?

Ally Dick

everlast75 wrote: »

I've absolutely no clue what this thread is about!

Urban Dictionary's definition of Masculist will probably help you:

A man who can't get a girlfriend and thus becomes semi-gay. Generally not liked by girls/women. He is pro-male and rejects the reality between men and women.
Not the opposite of feminist.

melissak

Hopefully busy doing something more useful and interesting than whinging about whingers or giving oxygen to the fire of ridiculous outrage by responding to it with ridiculous counter outrage.

hairyslug

Maybe we just couldn't be arsed

That or we are all too lazy to care

K-9

Deleted User wrote: »

TBH you can say the exact same thing about feminism. A lot of it is buried under so much hate spewing crap that the real message gets lost.

Where is masculism? Buried under the rug, because to be vocal about it gets you shouted at many places.

I thought oft time whinging feminists would cover that, obviously not. Needs more outrage at feminists I suppose.

ancapailldorcha

Masculism, men's rights, redpillers and so on seem to be more concerned with attacking feminism than doing anything constructive to help actual men coping with depression, loss of access to children and so on. This is ultimately what puts me off it.

"Feminism has stopped me from seeing my kids."
"That's awful. Should we start a petition to have the law reviewed and possibly changed?"
"Ah no, let's just pointlessly moan about it."

You know that when a movement exalts figures like Roosh and Milo Yiannopoulos then something's dodgy.

osarusan

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Masculism, men's rights, redpillers and so on seem to be more concerned with attacking feminism than doing anything constructive to help actual men coping with depression, loss of access to children and so on. This is ultimately what puts me off it.

This is so perfectly spot on.

Moan about how feminism doesn't do anything for cause X, Y, or Z ("even though they say they want equality, waaah") while doing f**k all about X, Y, or Z themselves.

silverharp

Being critical of feminism is a reasonable stand alone position . I'm personally immune to it but I could see it being an issue for my kids if it hasn't been put to death in the years ahead. If the north American strains of it ever caught on here its worth knowing that its a combination of a hate group and a supremicist group and be in a position to inoculate the kids against ever touching it with a barge pole or having it forced on them in school or university.

K-9

silverharp wrote: »

Being critical of feminism is a reasonable stand alone position . I'm personally immune to it but I could see it being an issue for my kids if it hasn't been put to death in the years ahead. If the north American strains of it ever caught on here its worth knowing that its a combination of a hate group and a supremicist group and be in a position to inoculate the kids against ever touching it with a barge pole or having it forced on them in school or university.

That's an anti-Feminist though, which is fair enough.

Not a Masculist, but many anti-Feminist's see themselves as Masculist when they add nothing to it.

It's like the Monty Python quote about the People's front of Judea:

How much do you hate the Romans?
A lot
You're in.

hatrickpatrick

RWCNT wrote: »

Why do you feel the need to use this sort of language when referring to other people? Also, who gets to decide what a "legitimate" feminist/equality issue is? You?

I'd argue that a legitimate feminist issue is one which actually relates to equality, and not to shielding women (or indeed anyone) from the world as it is.

For example: A sexist song isn't a feminist issue, because musicians have just as much right to crap on men in their lyrics as they do on women, so there's no inequality involved.

smash

K-9 wrote: »

It's like the Monty Python quote about the People's front of Judea:

How much do you hate the Romans?
A lot
You're in.

Was that not the Judean People's Front?

:pac:

El_Duderino 09

Sheeps wrote:

The idea that sexism only affects one sex is ridiculous. Where's the other side? Why do we need both? Why can't we just be focused on gender equality instead of having both sides represented. Surely if your focus was truly on equality you wouldn't need two terms and two agendas to promote equality for either group of sexes.

The reason you don't see an issue which is both male and female, is because if gender isn't part of the discussion then it won't be part of the coverage. Imagine the government announced a policy to offer a grant for children's school bus fees - no mention of gender but it is an example of feminist policy as it applies equally to male and female children. Why on earth would you complicate every issue by stating all the ways in which it treats people equally? You'd have to list all races, religions, genders, sexual orientations, nationalities, ethnicities etc... or you could just say 'this policy applies to all children'

This line of argument really gets my goat. Is it lack of imagination or genuine will to not understand stand the issue?

tritium

K-9 wrote: »

That's an anti-Feminist though, which is fair enough.

Not a Masculist, but many anti-Feminist's see themselves as Masculist when they add nothing to it.

It's like the Monty Python quote about the People's front of Judea:

How much do you hate the Romans?
A lot
You're in.

Its not really anti feminism though. Take Christina Hoff sommers. She would self identify as a feminist, however her views are very much to the right and would disagree with many views of left wing feminists. For this she's routinely labelled an anti feminist. Really the term has morphed into a sour for anyone who disagrees with certain thinkers within the movement, regardless of how that person may identify themselves.