Tony Robbins-life coaches

Specialun

I see Tony robbins is in ireland. 3000 people attended. I was forced to go to one of his conferences many years ago and i thought it was all buzz words and cliche...whats your opinion on him or others

For the individual courses it can easily cost 1000 dollars amonth...

Do you think there all waffle..do they actually make a difference to people

Corpus Twisty

I'd imagine they make a difference to Tony Robbins anyway....ca-ching...

kfallon

If I can't motivate myself, Tony Robbins, Tim Robbins, Mark Robins or Batman & Robin sure as hell won't!

PARlance

kfallon wrote: »

If I can't motivate myself, Tony Robbins, Tim Robbins, Mark Robins or Batman & Robin sure as hell won't!

Would a Redbreast help?

Nodin

Specialun wrote: »

I see Tony robbins is in ireland. 3000 people attended. I was forced to go to one of his conferences many years ago and i thought it was all buzz words and cliche...whats your opinion on him or others

For the individual courses it can easily cost 1000 dollars amonth...

Do you think there all waffle..do they actually make a difference to people

I underlined the answer. Essentially he does blather and vague nonsense, combined with various exercises to get endorphins flowing and people feel leaving pumped up, which could be achieved at a gospel church, workout, good gig and so on. Snake oil sales, essentially.

Also
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/23/us/nearly-two-dozen-injured-at-tony-robbins-seminar.html?_r=0
Somebody used the wrong wood for the aul fire walk trick, afaik.

Corpus Twisty

He looks like Joey Tribiani from Friends...

"How you doing?"...

Ruu

I'd go if it was Tony Robinson speaking.

Corpus Twisty

Robbin them blind..

Custardpi

This "motivational" guff has been parodied so many times (Patrick Swayze's character in Donnie Darko being my favourite) that I can't believe people still take it seriously.

Mesrine65

Corpus Twisty wrote: »

Robbin them blind..

A fool & his money are soon parted...

Life coach?

Says it all.

I presume he talks a lot about mindfulness, the latest quick fix fad for God Help Us cases who usually need a lot more than someone with no qualifications to diagnose anything telling them to meditate once a day.

PLL

I think a good cardio work out to upbeat music would achieve the same level of positivity.

poeticjustice

I wouldn't pay that sort of money to see him but I do think he's good.

He can be very helpful to lots of people but it depends on the individual and their attititude.

Corpus Twisty

poeticjustice wrote: »

I wouldn't pay that sort of money to see him but I do think he's good.

He can be very helpful to lots of people but it depends on the individual and their attititude.

In the same way as Astrology, Hypnotism and Homeopathy? The easily suggestible?

razorblunt

Erra these things are normally handy to pick up a tip or two that could help your personally or professionally. It's the people that live by it and get sucked into it that I don't understand.

Went to a similar thing a few years with Jordan Belfort (Wolf of Wall St) before the movie came out and it was a waste of time.
They had a room excercise where you have to go around and deliberately say hi to folk with a downbeat depressed manner/tone and then later in an upbeat one and comment on the difference. I wasn't paying attention to what he was was saying and went around happy as Larry. Confused pretty much everyone.
Snuck out the door after that.

Birneybau

Corpus Twisty wrote: »

I'd imagine they make a difference to Tony Robbins anyway....ca-ching...

Old banana hands worth $480 million apparently.

http://time.com/money/4103684/tony-robbins-money-secrets/

KomradeBishop

You can make a lot of money selling/marketing vaguely worded bullshít - there are a lot of people dumb enough to be hooked in. It's a form of con-artistry, where the person doing it has complete plausible deniability, so long as they appear to 'believe' the shíte they're spouting.

suicide_circus

Snake oil, charlatans.

darkpagandeath

I often wonder why they don't take their own advice and have to advise others to make a living....

Reminds me of stuff like this.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41R97Gc7rSL._SS130_.jpg

the groutch

It's all pure bolloxology, anyone who pays to go see someone like this needs their head examined.

Inspector Coptoor

I saw a couple of videos from inside the "conference" in a what's app group as my brother attended.

My mum asked if he was a comedian.

I said he was certainly the one laughing - all the way to the bank.

Wouldn't float my boat at all - snake oil salesman IMO - but my brother gets a lot out of his books and the conference and is doing really well in his professional life.

Custardpi

Inspector Coptoor wrote: »

I saw a couple of videos from inside the "conference" in a what's app group as my brother attended.

My mum asked if he was a comedian.

I said he was certainly the one laughing - all the way to the bank.

Wouldn't float my boat at all - snake oil salesman IMO - but my brother gets a lot out of his books and the conference and is doing really well in his professional life.

Like Dumbo's feather it's probably not the books themselves that are helping him. Whatever works for him though I suppose but there's probably cheaper ways to achieve the same result.

B.A._Baracus

Its all bollocks.
I looked in to it a few years ago. A lot make their money from corporate seminars. Giving their speil to a vast number of employees who are forced to attend. The normal 1-to-1 lifecoaching doesn't bring in much unless you managed to get big clients.

It's also a slippery persons type of game. Almost like the bollocks you can get out of marketers. You just need to be that type of jerk to begin with. Also with tons of charisma to boot to be successful.

poeticjustice

Corpus Twisty wrote: »

In the same way as Astrology, Hypnotism and Homeopathy? The easily suggestible?

You've never been motivated my someone else's words? If you have, would that make you easily suggestable?

The jargon can be a bit moronic but a lot of the ideas are good if you are open to the idea of improving yourself. If someone goes in thinking it's a load of nonsense then obviously you wont get anything out of it.

suicide_circus

^^^ my employer has sent us on quite a few "life skills" type seminars.

If you are an employer, please, for the love of God, do not waste time and money getting one of these con artists to talk to your staff. Completely and utterly useless I assure you. If you want to improve productivity simply treat your employees like human beings. Show them some honesty and say thanks occasionally. No expensive bullshít gurus required.

Custardpi

suicide_circus wrote: »

^^^ my employer has sent us on quite a few "life skills" type seminars.

If you are an employer, please, for the love of God, do not waste time and money getting one of these con artists to talk to your staff. Completely and utterly useless I assure you. If you want to improve productivity simply treat your employees like human beings. Show them some honesty and say thanks occasionally. No expensive bullshít gurus required.

Hmm, that sounds dangerously like communism to me....:mad:

_Whimsical_

I was very surprised to see so many bald heads and grey haired people in the audience, I was sure it was the kind of thing that you'd want to be very young and very naive to be taken in by.I'd love to hear why anyone decided to go, is it to hear Tony or to network with other entrepreneurs?

The equally disturbing fact that we have spawned a few of our very own Tony Robbins recently, life style and success gurus who have taken off for no apparent reason on Facebook. One Galway based guy has a conference in Dublin this weekend attended by over 300 willing payees. He goes to Tony Robbins conferences and others and comes back to disseminate what he's learned and has added to himself.He says this time 4 years ago he was broke with nothing , then he started this, now he's hugely popular. I saw a post from his Facebook from before Christmas where he was writing goals to have fulfilled by 2016, one was buying his second house, and the multitudes were thanking it, the house some of them would be paying for by going to the conference! Now he seems like a nice guy but really,you have to wonder if we really are this lost as a generation that we need these "gurus"?

suicide_circus

Custardpi wrote: »

Hmm, that sounds dangerously like communism to me....:mad:

Well obviously once your employees' productivity drops off you can compact them into briquettes and burn them as fuel to reduce your energy bill and carbon footprint.

suicide_circus

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

It's also a slippery persons type of game. Almost like the bollocks you can get out of marketers. You just need to be that type of jerk to begin with. Also with tons of charisma to boot to be successful.

Like the way people who work in HR or recruitment are always appalling cuñts.

Custardpi

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

you have to wonder if we really are this lost as a generation that we need these "gurus"?

Is it the case that even though we've been moving towards a secular society there are still many of us who need the reassuring sight & sound of a wise man who has access to "The Answer"? The Church provided that at one point, are these sort of "gurus" performing the same role?

MRnotlob606

kfallon wrote: »

If I can't motivate myself, Tony Robbins, Tim Robbins, Mark Robins or Batman & Robin sure as hell won't!

BUT ANDY DUFRESNE MAN !! HE DIDN'T CRAWL THROUGH ALL THE **** FOR NOTHING !!!!!!!!!

Custardpi

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

BUT ANDY DUFRESNE MAN !! HE DIDN'T CRAWL THROUGH ALL THE **** FOR NOTHING !!!!!!!!!

Ha, imagine a follow up film to Shawshank Redemption which features Andy in his new career as a life coach - "be the rock hammer of change in your life!"

MRnotlob606

kfallon wrote: »

If I can't motivate myself, Tony Robbins, Tim Robbins, Mark Robins or Batman & Robin sure as hell won't!

BUT ANDY DUFRESNE MAN !! HE DIDN'T CRAWL THROUGH ALL THE **** FOR NOTHING !!!!!!!!!

Inspector Coptoor

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

I was very surprised to see so many bald heads and grey haired people in the audience, I was sure it was the kind of thing that you'd want to be very young and very naive to be taken in by.I'd love to hear why anyone decided to go, is it to hear Tony or to network with other entrepreneurs?

The equally disturbing fact that we have spawned a few of our very own Tony Robbins recently, life style and success gurus who have taken off for no apparent reason on Facebook. One Galway based guy has a conference in Dublin this weekend attended by over 300 willing payees. He goes to Tony Robbins conferences and others and comes back to disseminate what he's learned and has added to himself.He says this time 4 years ago he was broke with nothing , then he started this, now he's hugely popular. I saw a post from his Facebook from before Christmas where he was writing goals to have fulfilled by 2016, one was buying his second house, and the multitudes were thanking it, the house some of them would be paying for by going to the conference! Now he seems like a nice guy but really,you have to wonder if we really are this lost as a generation that we need these "gurus"?

Pat Divilly?

He's a nice guy with a nice message, raises a lot of money for charity etc.
He has a great life for himself now.
He owned a gym in galwayt for a good while after coming back to Galway after failing to make it as a trainer in Dublin, but then got into online "body transformations" through Facebook groups and into life coaching, goal setting and mindset stuff.

Fair play to him.
I wish him well.
But I'd never go to one of those things - far too "wanky" and BS like for me

AnonoBoy

I liked him when he was Baldrick but haven't really kept up to date on what he's been doing since.

Junkyard Tom

Bleeve in urself. Gib monies plox.

Specialun

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Bleeve in urself. Gib monies plox.

Well said

54and56

razorblunt wrote: »

Went to a similar thing a few years with Jordan Belfort (Wolf of Wall St) before the movie came out and it was a waste of time.
They had a room excercise where you have to go around and deliberately say hi to folk with a downbeat depressed manner/tone and then later in an upbeat one and comment on the difference. I wasn't paying attention to what he was was saying and went around happy as Larry. Confused pretty much everyone.
Snuck out the door after that.

I was at the Pendulum conference in CCD yesterday (I was invited and didn't pay for my ticket!!) and this exact "exercise" was part of the 5 hour performance from TR. He did have some important things to say (Stay positive, focus on what you can influence, don't get sucked into negative thoughts and ignore things you can't influence plus act for positive reasons rather than being afraid to fail etc) but nothing I haven't heard, read or simply worked out for myself years ago.

The afternoon was a hybrid of lunatic American style preacher where TR would ask a rhetorical question like "Do you want to be happy? and then command the audience "if you do say aye" with people encouraged to stand up, raise their arms in the air and shout "AYE!!" and rock star performance with loads of upbeat music to dance to where TR clapped and encouraged everyone to "lift off the roof" and ended with a 10 minute "prime" session where TR showed us how to start each day by doing a 3.3 minute breathing exercise with eyes closed then think/visualise for 3.3 minutes about 3 positive things we are grateful for and finish off with 3.3 minutes of visualising 3 things we want to achieve.

Biggest load of bollock$ I've ever been at and I witnessed first hand the mass hysteria of the moving statue in Ballinaspittle!!

Some of the morning presenters were interesting particularly the Danish guy (Rasmus Ankersen) with the sports background who spoke about identifying talent and Jamil Qureshi who spoke about the importance of positive rather than negative motivation i.e. focus on achieving the benefits of success rather than acting on the basis of fear of failure but Gina London was embarrassing as she basically spent 2 minutes telling her life story and how her father who was a corporate pilot died one foggy night. Unfortunately Joe Schmidt (who I admire greatly and have heard speak well before) just didn't deliver anything. He told a coule of mildly amusing anecdotes about when he was a teacher back in NZ and how important it is for senior players to interact and recognise junior/young players (he introduced the idea of everyone in Leinster shaking hands with everyone else first thing each morning) but he was a bit laboured and hummed and hawhed a lot. He's busy and probably agreed to do this thinking the usual few anecdotes would suffice but in this environment they didn't.

All I can say is that it was a waste of a day for me and the only mitigating factor is I didn't pay the €595 ticket price myself!!

NIMAN

Fools and their money .............

54and56

Custardpi wrote: »

Is it the case that even though we've been moving towards a secular society there are still many of us who need the reassuring sight & sound of a wise man who has access to "The Answer"? The Church provided that at one point, are these sort of "gurus" performing the same role?

Funnily enough I think the answer is "yes".

There were two people near me yesterday openly crying at the end of the show. I'm far from qualified to make this comment but having seen their behaviour (they were 10 feet from me) during the show I would be confident they are very "needy" and constantly lurching from one guru inspired solution lifes problems to another.

I guess there will always be a cohort of people who for whatever reason need some form of life "leader" to follow as they simply don't have the confidence, experience or skills to figure $h1t out for themselves.

_Whimsical_

Inspector Coptoor wrote: »

Pat Divilly?

He's a nice guy with a nice message, raises a lot of money for charity etc.
He has a great life for himself now.
He owned a gym in galwayt for a good while after coming back to Galway after failing to make it as a trainer in Dublin, but then got into online "body transformations" through Facebook groups and into life coaching, goal setting and mindset stuff.

Fair play to him.
I wish him well.
But I'd never go to one of those things - far too "wanky" and BS like for me

Fair play to him yes, I don't think he's a bad guy, not even sure he's taking advantage, but what does his popularity represent? As you say he's a fitness trainer, helped people with weight and fitness issues and now he's a business, success and general life guru. I've a problem with some of his posts about conferences along the line of "so many tears today, so amazing to see 100 lives change in a day in front of my eyes". I'm just very surprised that sort of thing is resonating with young Irish people and I wonder why.
He's also a clever marketer with his eye on a much bigger prize that Irish money, he says he's going to meet Richard Branson soon on Necker Island.

Tony Robbins also has a very positive message on the issue of charity and does great work in that regard, from screen shots of twitter yesterday he was telling people that if your unhappy or unsuccessful it's because you've made your life only about you and that giving and helping others is the only way towards prosperity and fulfilment. Sound message and certainly raking in the mega bucks for Tony!

mad muffin

I thought he was brilliant in Blackadder.

_Whimsical_

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Fair play to him yes, I don't think he's a bad guy, not even sure he's taking advantage, but what does his popularity represent? As you say he's a fitness trainer, helped people with weight and fitness issues and now he's a business, success and general life guru. I've a problem with some of his posts about conferences along the line of "so many tears today, so amazing to see 100 lives change in a day in front of my eyes". I'm just very surprised that sort of thing is resonating with young Irish people and I wonder why.

Fitness trainer and general life guru?

Jesus wept. This is the Operation Transformation generation.

Does he have a qualification in anything?

Custardpi

Deleted User wrote: »

Fitness trainer and general life guru?

Jesus wept. This is the Operation Transformation generation.

Does he have a qualification in anything?

A PHD in Hard Knocks from the University of Life!

54and56

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

I've a problem with some of his posts about conferences along the line of "so many tears today, so amazing to see 100 lives change in a day in front of my eyes". I'm just very surprised that sort of thing is resonating with young Irish people and I wonder why.

I think the departure of the Catholic Church as the pervasive provider of moral guidance in the country (and thank god for that ) has left a vacuum which will unfortunately be partly filled by guru's and general wanker$ until we mature a bit more and have the confidence to trust our own judgement rather than need to be told how to think and what rules to live by.

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Tony Robbins also has a very positive message on the issue of charity and does great work in that regard, from screen shots of twitter yesterday he was telling people that if your unhappy or unsuccessful it's because you've made your life only about you and that giving and helping others is the only way towards prosperity and fulfilment. Sound message and certainly raking in the mega bucks for Tony!

One thing that I really questioned yesterday was when TR said he "personally fed 100 million people last year". I'm not joking, I actually wrote it down and he made a big deal about how he plans to have "personally fed" a cumulative 1 BILLION people by the next X years (I can't remember if it was 2-3 years from now as he wants to feed 250 million next year and so on)

He rabbits n about it here https://anthonyrobbinsfoundation.org (and in fairness promised to donate $25,000 to Simon Cork to feed 200 familes for 6 months) but the numbers are nowhere near 100 million in one year and I know I didn't misunderstand what he said as it really stood out for me as effectively being impossible for any one person to do regardless of how wealthy they are.

If it costs $25,000 to feed 200 familes for 6 months that implies it costs $0.68 to feed each family per day. I guess it's possible if you are doing it on a large scale with subsidised ingredients from suppliers etc but even then it implies feeding 100 million people for 6 months would cost $68.5m. Is he wealthy enough to do that? If so fair play to him.

SEPT 23 1989

He fills the void in people's lives just like alcohol or drugs it's just the less fun healthier option

54and56

One more thing. We were put through 5 hours of TR yesterday but his normal event is FOUR DAYS and called an "immersion". The next one is in London in April http://www.upwlondon.co.uk and there was a queue of people signing up at the end of the show yesterday. WTF??? I couldn't believe he managed to stretch a few key basic (already well known) messages out over five hours yesterday. I honestly can't imagine how mind numbing a four day session would be.

It's unbelievable that there are so many people who feel they need this sort of guidance and are willing to pay big bucks for it. It's £895/€1,190 for the cheap sets and £2,995/€3,000 for the good seats.

Mad Ted.

KomradeBishop

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Fair play to him yes, I don't think he's a bad guy, not even sure he's taking advantage, but what does his popularity represent? As you say he's a fitness trainer, helped people with weight and fitness issues and now he's a business, success and general life guru. I've a problem with some of his posts about conferences along the line of "so many tears today, so amazing to see 100 lives change in a day in front of my eyes". I'm just very surprised that sort of thing is resonating with young Irish people and I wonder why.
He's also a clever marketer with his eye on a much bigger prize that Irish money, he says he's going to meet Richard Branson soon on Necker Island.

Tony Robbins also has a very positive message on the issue of charity and does great work in that regard, from screen shots of twitter yesterday he was telling people that if your unhappy or unsuccessful it's because you've made your life only about you and that giving and helping others is the only way towards prosperity and fulfilment. Sound message and certainly raking in the mega bucks for Tony!

As far as I can tell, nobody has taken a serious look at his charity and scrutinized it for issues, and loads of charities are either scam organization or are used for 'reputation laundering' (i.e. rich person sets up a 'charity' for tax deduction purposes, and uses the money to pursue political goals).

Never take any 'charity' at face value.

Corpus Twisty

Anyone read any of the Kiyosaki "Rich Dad Poor Dad" books? Long on buffle, short on detail.. but they made him a very wealthy man indeed..."You need to become an investor - go gettem Champ!" is the summation... and he padded out that nugget into an empire...

Kenny Bania

Anyone who needs a life-coach, or goes to one of these seminars, is likely just a loser who doesn't have it - you can't pay for the type of success these people are after. It's not a secret that he possesses and will tell you for the price of a ticket. Your mind either works a certain way, or it doesn't.

54and56

Kenny Bania wrote: »

Anyone who needs a life-coach, or goes to one of these seminars, is likely just a loser who doesn't have it - you can't pay for the type of success these people are after. It's not a secret that he possesses and will tell you for the price of a ticket. Your mind either works a certain way, or it doesn't.

One of the big things I noticed yesterday was what I'd (possibly incorrectly) call self affirmation i.e. TR thanking everyone in the place for having the insight to invest a half day in his "masterclass to transform our lives" and how the very fact we were there meant we were successful business leaders. Who doesn't want to be told by a mega wealthy guru who name drops President Clinton and ton's of Billionaire businessmen that they too are "business leaders"??

You give a guy €600 and in return he tells you you're an insightful business leader. Good deal.............for him. Pathetic for those who believe the smoke he blows up their ar$e.