Help me sell my car

golfpaul

I have it up around a month now with not much interest. A few low ball offers and 1 viewing.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2012-audi-a4-2-0-tdi-177bhp-s-line-black-edition/11062496

Any feedback on the add appreciated. I think the price is about right..
I also have it up on carzone.
Thanks!

Toyotafanboi

The biggest issue is waiting for someone with €25k cash, willing to drop it in a no comeback private deal i'd say.

zl1whqvjs75cdy

Nice car. I think when you get up to thst end of the used market buyers are few and far between. I certainly wouldn't part with 25 k on a no come back sort of deal and I'd be relatively risk happy when it comes to buying.

Atlantic Dawn

Anyone placing offers over the phone without a viewing isn't worth talking to and should be ignored. As was said I think the main issue is the €25k for a private sale.

Are your plans to get rid and buy something more expensive or cheaper or what? If you wanted a cheaper run around perhaps mention potential for taking a car part exchange.

hairyprincess

I'm no car expert but looking at it from my own view point there's not a hope in hell I'd pay €25k to a private seller.
Other than that the ad itself needs depersonalisation. Take out the 'my car' and 'I have owned', stick to the facts, people don't need to know about your emotional, personal connections to the car.
I would also wonder why a car that you say you bought for €52k is now worth less than half that. No need to put the original price in, imo.
Nice car though

veetwin

Yeah there's a very limited pool of buyers out there willing to fork out €25k on a private sale.

A reputable dealer will cost a bit more but will take a trade in, offer the security of a warranty, offer a finance option and peace of mind that a private seller can't.

It's a cracking car with a great spec but you the most likely buyer will be a dealer who will only pay rock bottom.

colm_mcm

For someone not familiar with a4s they might think they're around€35-40k and mightn't find €25k that attractive. No harm in putting in the original rrp

Wouldn't be any harm getting a trade bid on it.

jca

The blanked out number puts me off straight away. At that price I'd like to be doing my own checks. No mention of the old Irish perennials tax and Nct, does it have either? You could put up pictures of both keys, paperwork and service stamps as well.

4 years old, above average mileage, top spec but the 19" ROTOR diamond cut alloy wheels limit the appeal imo. You'll get family types, middle aged teachers and what not looking for a 3/4 year old A4 but many won't fancy yours.

Asking 50% of the new price is very ambitious imo. Sub 20k might be achievable if you want rid of it in the short-term.

jca

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Anyone placing offers over the phone without a viewing isn't worth talking to and should be ignored. As was said I think the main issue is the €25k for a private sale.

Are your plans to get rid and buy something more expensive or cheaper or what? If you wanted a cheaper run around perhaps mention potential for taking a car part exchange.

I wouldn't agree that someone ringing should be ignored completely. If a car is within 2k of my budget but the seller is 100 miles away I'd ring and if they said travel the distance and we'll trash out a deal I'd go to look with serious intentions of buying.

Rob Thomas

Lovely car. If I had the money..........

Unfortunately the ordinary second hand car buyer won't generally pay the premiums for black edition etc... Especially in A4s where half and full spec S-Lines are as common as the SE models.

A specialised dealer/sourcer in high end stuff (Adrian Quinn etc) might put a buyer your way for a fee if you wanted to go down that road.

A car like that just needs the right client and maybe done deal is not the most relevant place to advertise it.

I know it's expensive new but if you are not having a bite at all, maybe you are slightly overpriced. I'm not knocking what its worth to you but it's hard to find someone to pay €25k when you will probably get a similar mileage S-line for 20-23k on a straight deal.

But good luck, like I said it's a fine car.

Rob Thomas

Augeo wrote: »

4 years old, above average mileage, top spec but the 19" ROTOR diamond cut alloy wheels limit the appeal imo. You'll get family types, middle aged teachers and what not looking for a 3/4 year old A4 but many won't fancy yours.

Asking 50% of the new price is very ambitious imo. Sub 20k might be achievable if you want rid of it in the short-term.

Under 20k would be giving it away. I got 20,500 for a 2010 SE 8 months ago and a neighbour here paid 21k for a 2010 S line a few weeks later. Mine was exceptionally low mileage but we still did very well. But the guy knew the car and was happy to pay that. I'd have taken less being honest.

The S-line had 150kms and was overpriced in my view by about 2k

golfpaul

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Anyone placing offers over the phone without a viewing isn't worth talking to and should be ignored. As was said I think the main issue is the €25k for a private sale.

Are your plans to get rid and buy something more expensive or cheaper or what? If you wanted a cheaper run around perhaps mention potential for taking a car part exchange.

I just picked up a new car for myself. I was going to give this to Mrs Golfpaul but her car is only used to bring the dog to the park. I might just trade it in for an estate or SUV type.

Rob Thomas

Rob Thomas wrote: »

Under 20k would be giving it away......

Yup, but if you want it gone that's the way to go.

Also to be fair you reckon €21K was €2K over the money for a 2010 sold in 2015, so €20k a calender year later for a 2012 isn't exactly mad cheap.

Lellostag

golfpaul wrote: »

I have it up around a month now with not much interest. A few low ball offers and 1 viewing.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2012-audi-a4-2-0-tdi-177bhp-s-line-black-edition/11062496

Any feedback on the add appreciated. I think the price is about right..
I also have it up on carzone.
Thanks!

Nice car, but what's with the blanket out reg plate? I for one would smell a rat if I can't do a background check prior to viewing it...

bazz26

It can help deter number plate cloning. Too easy for some scumbag to look up donedeal at their leasure for a similar car to theirs and get a set of false number plates made up in order to use them to rack up toll bills, do filling station drive offs or worse stick them on a stolen car they are selling.

The seller can easily give any potential buyer the reg to run a motor check once initial contact has been made and they are serious about buying the car.

Lellostag

bazz26 wrote: »

It can help deter number plate cloning. Too easy for some scumbag to look up donedeal at their leasure for a similar car to theirs and get a set of false number plates made up in order to use them to rack up toll bills, do filling station drive offs or worse stick them on a stolen car they are selling.

The seller can easily give any potential buyer the reg to run a motor check once initial contact has been made and they are serious about buying the car.

Well that makes sense, didn't think about from that point of view.

Special Circumstances

Lellostag wrote: »

Well that makes sense, didn't think about from that point of view.

?????
I'm guessing Lellostag is not your name in real life... why are you not comfortable having those details up online....

bmwguy

This thread just shows the savagery of new car depreciation. I don't know what part of 2012 your car is from but it is somewhere in the region of 3-4 years old and I reckon you will get offered 20 on a trade in allowance, that's 30k in that timeframe. Plus fuel, insurance, tax, I assume there were no repairs needed as it would be in warranty. But sorry, back on topic I echo others here in that I don't think there are private buyers in this price bracket for you unfortunately. Yours is a lovely, lovely car but as a buyer who usually goes private, I would not risk that kind of cash on a private sale.

golfpaul

bmwguy wrote: »

This thread just shows the savagery of new car depreciation. I don't know what part of 2012 your car is from but it is somewhere in the region of 3-4 years old and I reckon you will get offered 20 on a trade in allowance, that's 30k in that timeframe. Plus fuel, insurance, tax, I assume there were no repairs needed as it would be in warranty. But sorry, back on topic I echo others here in that I don't think there are private buyers in this price bracket for you unfortunately. Yours is a lovely, lovely car but as a buyer who usually goes private, I would not risk that kind of cash on a private sale.

It was delivered end Sept 12, so not 3.5 years old yet. I get a good deal with my company so I'm not put out too much if I don't sell it. I've dropped it to €24k now. Do people still expect haggle room on prices? I was informed by someone in the trade that it should go for around €24k.

Lellostag

Special Circumstances wrote: »

?????
I'm guessing Lellostag is not your name in real life... why are you not comfortable having those details up online....

Not sure how you come to that conclusion..? If you read my previous post you'd realise it's quite the opposite, as I generally would have no problem with showing the reg plate, plate cloning never even crossed my mind before.

bmwguy

golfpaul wrote: »

It was delivered end Sept 12, so not 3.5 years old yet. I get a good deal with my company so I'm not put out too much if I don't sell it. I've dropped it to €24k now. Do people still expect haggle room on prices? I was informed by someone in the trade that it should go for around €24k.

Yeah buyers will expect haggle room by and large. Put it on adverts for the laugh you will see haggling skills. It will sell for what it's worth in the end though. Someone will even buy it to flip it at a quick profit when it gets to its market value. My last car was a 5 series bought privately but I paid asking as it was well priced and in excellent condition and the seller said he had interested parties (whether or not this is true I don't know but it was still priced below others so I bought it). Still going strong but in a much lower price bracket than yours as it was a good bit older. Best of luck, everything will sell eventually at the right price at least you have crossed over into 2016 now so no rush to sell before the plate gets a year older. What new car did you buy?

Flappy Head

Massive massive mileage, awful colour. Obviously no warranty. You need to drop to the mid teens to shift to sell privately

07Lapierre

Try putting it up on carzone.ie..

Lots of Private sellers looking for a lot more than 25K !
(although I do think yours is overpriced)

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/toyota/landcruiser/used-2011-toyota-landcruiser-armo-galway-fpa-201553239970700

golfpaul

bmwguy wrote: »

Yeah buyers will expect haggle room by and large. Put it on adverts for the laugh you will see haggling skills. It will sell for what it's worth in the end though. Someone will even buy it to flip it at a quick profit when it gets to its market value. My last car was a 5 series bought privately but I paid asking as it was well priced and in excellent condition and the seller said he had interested parties (whether or not this is true I don't know but it was still priced below others so I bought it). Still going strong but in a much lower price bracket than yours as it was a good bit older. Best of luck, everything will sell eventually at the right price at least you have crossed over into 2016 now so no rush to sell before the plate gets a year older. What new car did you buy?

Went for a BMW this time, 420D Grande coupe Msport.

vandriver

Flappy Head wrote: »

Massive massive mileage, awful colour. Obviously no warranty. You need to drop to the mid teens to shift to sell privately

Lol
If you knock down the price to 15k pm me.

SarahMollie

Augeo wrote: »

4 years old, above average mileage, top spec but the 19" ROTOR diamond cut alloy wheels limit the appeal imo. You'll get family types, middle aged teachers and what not looking for a 3/4 year old A4 but many won't fancy yours.

Yeah I think this could be a factor. Personally I think it looks awesome but it is a bit flash so that will limit your market.

golfpaul

07Lapierre wrote: »

Try putting it up on carzone.ie..

Lots of Private sellers looking for a lot more than 25K !
(although I do think yours is overpriced)

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/toyota/landcruiser/used-2011-toyota-landcruiser-armo-galway-fpa-201553239970700

I have it up there too but most cars there seem to be overpriced.
http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/audi/a4/used-2012-audi-a4-2-0-tdi-177bhp-galway-fpa-201550239220327

endacl

I'm guessing it's the €270 road tax. People won't want to buy the only car in the country that is liable for road tax as well as motor tax.

xabi

Overpriced for a private sale I think, try it at 20K and be prepared to take 19.5K. Call a dealer and ask what its worth on a trade in.

vandriver

endacl wrote: »

I'm guessing it's the €270 road tax. People won't want to buy the only car in the country that is liable for road tax as well as motor tax.

Trying to be funny or pedantic?

ironclaw

Out of 227 Audi cars for sale from 2012, the average price is €23.5k (That includes Dealers and Private sales) Average mileage in that set is 105k km. If we remove the criteria of Audi in current market for 2012, the average mileage is 95k km and price drops to €16.3k (Based on close to 2000 cars) Mileage drop here would make sense as a large portion of that Audi market was rep's

You're price is too high for the private market and your mileage is far higher than the average, hence your in a very bad position. Spec is pretty decent all round however. Personally, I'm suspect of newer cars in the private sector unless they are super rare as most private individuals would trade them in, few would be looking for a €25k cash sale. I'd part with that type of money for an RS4 in the private sector, not an S-Line A4.

I'd suggest you trade it in OP. That or take a loss on the cash sale. Either way, you won't be getting next or near €25k IMO. I'd settle on you best price between 16 and 23k as that is what the market is leading with.

Barnavave

vandriver wrote: »

Lol
If you knock down the price to 15k pm me.

If we are going to start a bidding war I'll go to €15500

colm_mcm

ironclaw wrote: »

Out of 227 Audi cars for sale from 2012, the average price is €23.5k (That includes Dealers and Private sales) Average mileage in that set is 105k km. If we remove the criteria of Audi in current market for 2012, the average mileage is 95k km and price drops to €16.3k (Based on close to 2000 cars) Mileage drop here would make sense as a large portion of that Audi market was rep's

You're price is too high for the private market and your mileage is far higher than the average, hence your in a very bad position. Spec is pretty decent all round however. Personally, I'm suspect of newer cars in the private sector unless they are super rare as most private individuals would trade them in, few would be looking for a €25k cash sale. I'd part with that type of money for an RS4 in the private sector, not an S-Line A4.

I'd suggest you trade it in OP. That or take a loss on the cash sale. Either way, you won't be getting next or near €25k IMO. I'd settle on you best price between 16 and 23k as that is what the market is leading with.

Is your average price for Audi a4s?

mullingar

The odds of cloning are minuscule.

Hiding the reg is a 100% turn-off as it screams to me that the seller does not want you do do a history check.

That aside, you need to put any potential buyer at ease by offering any inspection. Maybe get Audi to give it the full once over for a report and show it to any potential buyer

goochy

Op this is an example where a person who does big miles should sell on after about 2 years , because you left it 3 1/2 years the mileage is very high and off putting . It's alot of money for a small car with big miles even though it was pricey new. I would get Adrian Quinn or Cunningham autopoint to sell on your behalf / SOR . Best of luck.

Gumbo

Just depends on if you want to wait for a buyer that wants your car.
My cousin is currently in the process of buying privately for 25k, car was advertised at 26.5k (well not advertised, word of mouth that the owner was thinking of selling and asking 26.5).

Best of luck selling.

ironclaw

colm_mcm wrote: »

Is your average price for Audi a4s?

No, just the Audi brand Colm. Makes only a fractional difference if you narrow it to a particular model. Either way, 3 years in and depreciation is very much starting to level the playing field.

blade1

mullingar wrote: »

The odds of cloning are minuscule.

Hiding the reg is a 100% turn-off as it screams to me that the seller does not want you do do a history check.

Not necessarily.
My father died 5 years and a family member put his car up for sale on Donedeal.
We reckon someone in Dublin started using the reg because my mother started getting fines for dates around the time it was up for sale.
Guards wouldn't listen and wanted proof of my fathers death which upset my mother.

So I for one will never show my reg when selling something and I wouldn't recommend anyone else showing theirs either.

If someone is genuinely interested in a car surely they can ask the owner for the reg before viewing it.

jca

blade1 wrote: »

Not necessarily.
My father died 5 years and a family member put his car up for sale on Donedeal.
We reckon someone in Dublin started using the reg because my mother started getting fines for dates around the time it was up for sale.
Guards wouldn't listen and wanted proof of my fathers death which upset my mother.

So I for one will never show my reg when selling something and I wouldn't recommend anyone else showing theirs either.

If someone is genuinely interested in a car surely they can ask the owner for the reg before viewing it.

Fair point but the seller should state that clearly in the ad.

colm_mcm

ironclaw wrote: »

No, just the Audi brand Colm. Makes only a fractional difference if you narrow it to a particular model. Either way, 3 years in and depreciation is very much starting to level the playing field.

With respect that figure is pure nonsense then and has no bearing on what the OPs car is worth, you may as well tell him what the average price for a 2012 white car is.

Noccy_Mondy

Wouldn't it have made way more sense to do that study thing on just the A4? With bringing all the different models into the mix, you're not getting an average price for an a4. There are major differences in the price of an A1 and and A8, both are at different ends of the spectrum, and so would throw the average out.

Cee-Jay-Cee

1. Leave the reg plate on view. Why is it blanked out? What do you think your going to achieve by blocking it out? Showing the registration number allows people to do car checks on the car to see if there have been recorded accidents or finance owing.

2. Non factory alloys, while they're nice wheels and the same as the factory fitted wheels detract from the car. Have you got the original wheels? If not then just remove the part about Rotor alloys and let people ask you if they're genuine or not if they ring about the car.

The biggest problem, like people have said is the fact that it's a lot of money for a car with no warranty or come back if something happens to it shortly after buying it.

Lastly remove the story from the ad and list the spec in bullet points. It makes it easier to read and is more professional. Remove the price it was new, it's irrelevant and doesn't add anything to the ad.
Best of luck with it. It's a beautiful car and if I were in the market for a car in that price range, I'd have no problem buying from a private seller but be prepared to take a few grand less if you want to sell it.

golfpaul

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

1. Leave the reg plate on view. Why is it blanked out? What do you think your going to achieve by blocking it out? Showing the registration number allows people to do car checks on the car to see if there have been recorded accidents or finance owing.

2. Non factory alloys, while they're nice wheels and the same as the factory fitted wheels detract from the car. Have you got the original wheels? If not then just remove the part about Rotor alloys and let people ask you if they're genuine or not if they ring about the car.

The biggest problem, like people have said is the fact that it's a lot of money for a car with no warranty or come back if something happens to it shortly after buying it.

Lastly remove the story from the ad and list the spec in bullet points. It makes it easier to read and is more professional. Remove the price it was new, it's irrelevant and doesn't add anything to the ad.
Best of luck with it. It's a beautiful car and if I were in the market for a car in that price range, I'd have no problem buying from a private seller but be prepared to take a few grand less if you want to sell it.

1. Done. Photos updated. I was worried about cloning etc from reading stories here over the years but I suppose the chances are negligible.

2. They are factory fitted as part of the black edition package.

Add formatted, thanks for input.

Squidgy Black

People are hardly going to pay to do a car check before speaking to the owner and getting further details are they?

bazz26

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

1. Leave the reg plate on view. Why is it blanked out? What do you think your going to achieve by blocking it out? Showing the registration number allows people to do car checks on the car to see if there have been recorded accidents or finance owing.

Have a read of a few posts back, I mentioned some of the cons of having your reg on display.

My attitude is that if a potential buyer wants to do a history check on the car then surely they can ring and enquire about the car first where after a quick chat with the seller they can ask for the registration in order to carry out any car check they want. Any genuine seller will have no problem giving a potential buyer the registration once a genuine enquiry has been made.

Just running motor checks on random cars a buyer may be interested in without at least talking to the seller first, can end up being quite futile and expensive.

blade1

bazz26 wrote: »

Have a read of a few posts back, I mentioned some of the cons of having your reg on display.

My attitude is that if a potential buyer wants to do a history check on the car then surely they can ring and enquire about the car first where after a quick chat with the seller they can ask for the registration in order to carry out any car check they want. Any genuine seller will have no problem giving a potential buyer the registration once a genuine enquiry has been made.

Just running motor checks on random cars a buyer may be interested in without at least talking to the seller first, can end up being quite futile and expensive.

Some people just don't want to know the cons it seems.

When they are getting fines in the door and ringing the guards trying to explain they'll know about it.
Guards won't give 2 ****s if you are guilty or not, if you don't have hard evidence that it wasn't you,you'll get done full stop.
All the explaining in the world won't get you off, but no,carry on displaying your reg to people that only go on these websites to clone.

JoeA3

It's a lovely car Paul, looks like a great example, and if I were in the market for one I'd be giving you a call.

Tbh I don't think there's much wrong with your ad or the asking price. The reg plate blanked out is nit picking IMO, but probably best not to cover it up alright.

Your biggest problem is you're up against main dealers at that price level. DoneDeal is fine for sub 10k stuff but over that, your market diminishes considerably. Even a main dealer can take a long time to shift a very decent car. I traded in a mint MK7 GTI in August and the dealer only moved it on again a few weeks ago. You'll need patience and a bit of luck for the right buyer to come along.

ironclaw

colm_mcm wrote: »

With respect that figure is pure nonsense then and has no bearing on what the OPs car is worth, you may as well tell him what the average price for a 2012 white car is.

If we look exclusively at the Audi A4 from 2012 and in the interest of keeping this current, I only look at the past 60 days of sales data. A4's make up 64 cars of the 2012 Audi data set, so 28% of the market. Their average price is €20.6k (Lower than my original appraisal of €23.5k for just Audi from 2012, no model specified) and the average mileage comes in at 119k km (Which is higher than my original at 105k km)

Cee-Jay-Cee

bazz26 wrote: »

Have a read of a few posts back, I mentioned some of the cons of having your reg on display.

My attitude is that if a potential buyer wants to do a history check on the car then surely they can ring and enquire about the car first where after a quick chat with the seller they can ask for the registration in order to carry out any car check they want. Any genuine seller will have no problem giving a potential buyer the registration once a genuine enquiry has been made.

Just running motor checks on random cars a buyer may be interested in without at least talking to the seller first, can end up being quite futile and expensive.

Lets say for example I wanted to clone a similar colour and spec car. I ring the seller, ask the relevant questions as if interested in buying, ask for the reg plate as I want to do a HPI check and then get my own plate made up for the cloned car.

The seller won't be able to distinguish a genuine or fake caller over the phone.

It's a completely pointless exercise and only leads to suspicion. It probably does more harm than good, people, especially older folk would be put off by it and ignore the car in favour of a car without any hidden details. To me it's akin to not putting the mileage on the ad.

Yes cars have been cloned in the past by scammers scouring donedeal for a similar car but it's very rare and the original owner very very rarely suffers any loss as a result of it. 99.99% of the time the original owner sells the car on and the new owner may have to deal with a few irregular speeding notices or toll bills but they simply explain they were not on that road or driving that day/location.

punisher5112

Op take more photos and in better light(sunny).

Also take photos in the one place and a better place such as your drive.

The photos I see scream out dealer or something not 100%.

Also state open to very close offers.

Put a space between some of your points(spec etc)

Good luck with sale.