Donald Trump Threatens UK in Response to Ban Debate Jan 18

Overheal

http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-organization-threatens-action-against-u-k-if-trump-ban-passes/

Trump Organization’s executive vice president, George Sorial, sent a statement to Fox News, saying that the mogul will withdraw his investments from his British properties if the government punishes him for voicing his opinions. The statement read that any action taken against Trump would cause his conglomerate to “immediately end these and all future investments we are currently contemplating in the United Kingdom:”

“Westminster would create a dangerous precedent and send a terrible message to the world that the United Kingdom opposes free speech and has no interest in attracting inward investment. This would also alienate the many millions of United States citizens who wholeheartedly support Mr. Trump and have made him the forerunner by far in the 2016 presidential election.”

The debate comes as a reaction to an online petition, stating that with Trump’s inflammatory rhetoric and behavior (particularly with regard to Muslims), he fits the government’s qualifications to ban him from the nation. The petition gained enough signatures to require Parliamentary discussion, and at around 565,000 names, it is one of the country’s most signed ever.

While Trump has touted that “I think that I’d be very close with Britain,” his words have been condemned by David Cameron‘s administration, with the Prime Minister saying he was “divisive, stupid and wrong,” and other British officials expressing similar thoughts.

This just makes me hope he gets banned even more. If they don't, he will claim it's because the UK was intimidated by his threat, which will gain him more cultists domestically. He already took credit for Obama releasing his birth certificate and credit from the Department of Homeland Security, you know, doing his job, because he happened to squawk something about it.

Britain: Trump might never be president (probably won't) so this is your one really good opportunity to just tell him to piss off. Take it.

hatrickpatrick

I despise Donald Trump but to be honest I despise the UK's repressive attitude in recent years even more. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day and he's bang on the money with his comments on free speech - it has been dead in the UK for the last 6/7 years and it's high time it was clawed back. The UK is becoming less and less free with each passing year - banning or prosecuting people for expressing opinions is what failed states and dictatorships do.

Amazingfun

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I despise Donald Trump but to be honest I despise the UK's repressive attitude in recent years even more. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day and he's bang on the money with his comments on free speech - it has been dead in the UK for the last 6/7 years and it's high time it was clawed back. The UK is becoming less and less free with each passing year - banning or prosecuting people for expressing opinions is what failed states and dictatorships do.

I adore him but agree with the rest.

Also: why on earth would the OP "hope" Trump be banned from Britain?
Truly bizarre.

ECO_Mental

Amazingfun wrote: »

I adore him but agree with the rest.

Also: why on earth would the OP "hope" Trump be banned from Britain?
Truly bizarre.

It's because he's a racist who wants to deport all Mexicans and calls them rapist as well, he also wants to ban all Muslims from the country. If any Muslim cleric said that in the UK or the states his head would be spinning from how fast he was kicked out of the country not to mention not even let in.

Do you adore his racist ideals

dissed doc

Amazingfun wrote: »

I adore him but agree with the rest.

Also: why on earth would the OP "hope" Trump be banned from Britain?
Truly bizarre.

radical Islamicists parade around the UK with an Isis flag calling for death to all white Christians = free speech.

Donald Trump saying ban them? = Omg racist!!

SJW only get gold star credit for when group justice is against the white crackerjackers.

johnnyskeleton

dissed doc wrote: »

radical Islamicists parade around the UK with an Isis flag calling for death to all white Christians = free speech.

Donald Trump saying ban them? = Omg racist!!

SJW only get gold star credit for when group justice is against the white crackerjackers.

Do you have examples of people saying that ISIS have a right to call for the death of all white Christians free speech while at the same time branding Trump as a racist and implicitly denying him that right?

20Cent

So now he's scrapping with and threatening Britain. Won't be a country left he won't p off by election time. Let him speak the Brits won't put up with his bull. Have Jeremy Paxman give him a going over too fly back in his jet with his tail between his legs.

Amazingfun

ECO_Mental wrote: »

It's because he's a racist who wants to deport all Mexicans and calls them rapist as well, he also wants to ban all Muslims from the country. If any Muslim cleric said that in the UK or the states his head would be spinning from how fast he was kicked out of the country not to mention not even let in.

Do you adore his racist ideals

:pac: Do you realize you are wrong about , well, everything you claim in this post?

johnnyskeleton

Amazingfun wrote: »

:pac: Do you realize you are wrong about , well, everything you claim in this post?

Care to elaborate?

dinorebel

The irony is strong when people want to stop someone entering a country because he's against people entering a country.

Overheal

Just treating him with his own policy

johnnyskeleton

dinorebel wrote: »

The irony is strong when people want to stop someone entering a country because he's against people entering a country.

The difference, I suppose, is that he is judged on his specific actions rather than the colour of his skin or his religion.

But I also kinda think that if he has a reasonable chance of being president of the USA, it would be a foolish move not to let him speak

Eugene Norman

What's the legality here. Obviously immigration can ban anybody on entry but can the parliament.

johnnyskeleton

Eugene Norman wrote: »

What's the legality here. Obviously immigration can ban anybody on entry but can the parliament.

In the UK Paliament is King amd the Home Secretary has responsibility for visas and permission to land. US citizens may be visa exempt. Not sure that UK legislation allows the Home Sec to refuse permission because he doesnt agree with what they say but Parliament could change the legislation if they like.S2A(2) of the Immigration Act 1971 is the relevant section.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1971/77

ancapailldorcha

As much as I dislike Trump, it is impossible to profess to be an inclusive, tolerant, liberal society and ban people for opinions, repulsive as such opinions may be. Therefore, the idea of him being banned from visiting the UK where he has business interests is one I am against.

The Randy Riverbeast

As I mentioned in a similar thread, banning people for their thoughts and what they say is what Trump and his supporters want to do. Can hardly claim any high ground by doing the same.

Unfortunately he will probably think that it was his threat that made them not do it.

ECO_Mental

Amazingfun wrote: »

:pac: Do you realize you are wrong about , well, everything you claim in this post?

• Calls Mexicans rapists - http://www.cbsnews.com/news/election-2016-donald-trump-defends-calling-mexican-immigrants-rapists/
• Wants to ban all Muslims entering the country - http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/07/donald-trump-ban-all-muslims-entering-us-san-bernardino-shooting
• Wants to build a massive wall to keep Mexicans out - http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/09/this-is-what-trumps-border-wall-could-cost-us.html
• Wants to deport millions of illegals - http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-saying-illegal-immigrants-have-to-go-targets-obama-orders-1439738967

I will throw a few more nuggets in here just to show how adorable he is as you say

• Trump mocks disabled journalist http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/donald-trump-denies-mocking-reporter-s-disability-1.2445877
• Trump insults John MaCain saying he is no hero for being a loser for being captured and spending over 5 years in a hell hole in Vietnam http://nypost.com/2015/07/18/donald-trump-says-mccain-is-not-a-war-hero-and-a-loser/
• Using degrading insulting language real class guy http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/22/donald-trump-says-hillary-clinton-was-schlonged-in-2008-loss-to-barack-obama

You do watch news do you not, just "The Apprentice"........:o

Eugene Norman

ECO_Mental wrote: »

• Calls Mexicans rapists - http://www.cbsnews.com/news/election-2016-donald-trump-defends-calling-mexican-immigrants-rapists/
• Wants to ban all Muslims entering the country - http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/07/donald-trump-ban-all-muslims-entering-us-san-bernardino-shooting
• Wants to build a massive wall to keep Mexicans out - http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/09/this-is-what-trumps-border-wall-could-cost-us.html
• Wants to deport millions of illegals - http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-saying-illegal-immigrants-have-to-go-targets-obama-orders-1439738967

I will throw a few more nuggets in here just to show how adorable he is as you say

• Trump mocks disabled journalist http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/donald-trump-denies-mocking-reporter-s-disability-1.2445877
• Trump insults John MaCain saying he is no hero for being a loser for being captured and spending over 5 years in a hell hole in Vietnam http://nypost.com/2015/07/18/donald-trump-says-mccain-is-not-a-war-hero-and-a-loser/
• Using degrading insulting language real class guy http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/22/donald-trump-says-hillary-clinton-was-schlonged-in-2008-loss-to-barack-obama

You do watch news do you not, just "The Apprentice"........:o

I clicked the links.

1) said the immigrants from Mexico contained rapists. Not all of them.
2) sovereign nations can do that.
3) building a wall. Up to the US how it runs its border. I care that their military stay within the border.
4) deporting is, given the number, insane; however illegality is illegality. Solution is some carrot and stick.

1) trump attacked a disabled guy for grandstanding. Maybe he was.
2) there a lot of questions about McCain (who by the way would be a much worse president).
3) schlonged. Grow a pair.

What's to like about McCain is that he isn't in thrall to the neo cons. Might say nasty words and kill fewer people.

johnnyskeleton

ECO_Mental wrote: »

You do watch news do you not, just "The Apprentice"........:o

Mod note:

That type of comment is not acceptable in this forum. Play the ball not the man. Please read the charter before posting again.

hatrickpatrick

Eugene Norman wrote: »

What's the legality here. Obviously immigration can ban anybody on entry but can the parliament.

The UK has an utterly appalling attitude towards free speech and as far as I can see based on the evidence, they don't have anything like the first amendment which protects it from repressive governments.

Even the Americans admitted that they wouldn't have been able to legally force The Guardian to destroy its hard drives the way the UK did, because persecuting them for publishing the Snowden leaks would have violated the first amendment:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/20/nsa-david-miranda-guardian-hard-drives

The White House responded with surprise to the report of the destruction. Asked at his daily briefing on Tuesday whether President Obama's administration would enter a US media company and destroy media hard drives – even to protect national security – the White House spokesman, Josh Earnest, said: "That's very difficult to imagine a scenario in which that would be appropriate."

Make no mistake, the UK is not a free country in nearly the same sense as most others. Last year, they banned a wide variety of BDSM porn from being produced, and there have been numerous cases of "offensive" tweets and online writings ending up in court.

The country has gone to sh!t.

JohnMc1

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

As much as I dislike Trump, it is impossible to profess to be an inclusive, tolerant, liberal society and ban people for opinions, repulsive as such opinions may be. Therefore, the idea of him being banned from visiting the UK where he has business interests is one I am against.

Liberals are hypocrites. The so called tolerant and inclusive crowd are only that way as you parrot the same things they believe.

And there is nothing wrong with what Trump said. We should be able to thoroughly vet immigrants before allowing them into the Country. That's not racist. That's Common sense. Its also not racist to want people to come Legally and make the effort to assimilate into our culture.

ancapailldorcha

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Liberals are hypocrites. The so called tolerant and inclusive crowd are only that way as you parrot the same things they believe.

You've conflated "left" with "liberal". Liberals are at least tolerant of those who have differing viewpoints. The "left" often seeks to use the state to police those who dare dissent.

JohnMc1 wrote: »

And there is nothing wrong with what Trump said.

Well there's banning all Muslims and his racist comments about Mexicans for a start.

JohnMc1

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Well there's banning all Muslims and his racist comments about Mexicans for a start.

LOL. I love people with an obvious agenda are twisting what he said. He only said temporarily stop them. He never said permanently. There is nothing racist about calling Illegal Immigrants Illegal. If they don't like it. tough. That doesn't make it racists. The race card has been overplayed that its lost its meaning.

20Cent

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Liberals are hypocrites. The so called tolerant and inclusive crowd are only that way as you parrot the same things they believe.

And there is nothing wrong with what Trump said. We should be able to thoroughly vet immigrants before allowing them into the Country. That's not racist. That's Common sense. Its also not racist to want people to come Legally and make the effort to assimilate into our culture.

So you're ok with the British vetting Trump and deciding if they want to let him in?

JohnMc1

20Cent wrote: »

So you're ok with the British vetting Trump and deciding if they want to let him in?

Don't you think its stupid and ridiculous for Britain wanting to ban him while letting radical clerics that preach hatred come and go as they wish?

20Cent

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Don't you think its stupid and ridiculous for Britain wanting to ban him while letting radical clerics that preach hatred come and go as they wish?

It's their business who they let into the country. But like what Trump says.

end of the road

JohnMc1 wrote: »

The race card has been overplayed that its lost its meaning.

the race card? what company prints such cards? i couldn't find any when googling

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Don't you think its stupid and ridiculous for Britain wanting to ban him while letting radical clerics that preach hatred come and go as they wish?

what if trump doesn't pass the uk vetting process? what then?

JohnMc1

end of the road wrote: »

what if trump doesn't pass the uk vetting process? what then?

Again. Don't you think its stupid and ridiculous for Britain wanting to ban him while letting radical clerics that preach hatred come and go as they wish?

Amazingfun

Live now in RENO

end of the road

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Again. Don't you think its stupid and ridiculous for Britain wanting to ban him while letting radical clerics that preach hatred come and go as they wish?

absolutely. however in saying that, him being banned just to let him know that the british government won't be blackmailed would be interesting and enjoyable to watch.

JohnMc1

end of the road wrote: »

absolutely. however in saying that, him being banned just to let him know that the british government won't be blackmailed would be interesting and enjoyable to watch.

So you don't mind him banned but think its fine that they let clerics that are preaching hate and death to all non-Muslims can come and go? There's not enough facepalm pics.

Amazingfun

He won't be banned, lol. Such ridiculousness.

long range shooter

They look like a friendly bunch of lads.

irishgrover

long range shooter wrote:

They look like a friendly bunch of lads.

No they don't they look like scum......, but no, you are right, you have made your point. All Muslims should be barred, banned, locked up or exterminated, because let's face it, its the only safe thing to do to protect democracy.........

long range shooter

irishgrover wrote: »

No they don't they look like scum......, but no, you are right, you have made your point. All Muslims should be barred, banned, locked up or exterminated, because let's face it, its the only safe thing to do to protect democracy.........

Well atleast the friendly guys in the picture should have been sent back to whereever they came from.
When muslims decide to see the same problem ,and deal with it within their own community,the world would be a better place,but when is that going to happen?
So far its been really quiet?
Problem now is that far rights are on the rise all over Europe,and who is to blame for that?Or should i say would you blame them?
This is just going to make things even worse.
And Donald Trump is using this in his campaign for President?Where is this going to end?

Amazingfun

irishgrover wrote: »

No they don't they look like scum......, but no, you are right, you have made your point. All Muslims should be barred, banned, locked up or exterminated, because let's face it, its the only safe thing to do to protect democracy.........

:pac: More BS. Trump never said anything remotely like that. But hey, why ruin your hysterical fun?

irishgrover

Amazingfun wrote:

More BS. Trump never said anything remotely like that. But hey, why ruin your hysterical fun?

I wasn't referring to trump. Just referring to the obvious eye opening conclusion that is inescapable after seeing the mind changing photo of a group of nutjobs....
And FYI, the is no way the trump should be barred from the UK, its a daft idea

Overheal

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Liberals are hypocrites. The so called tolerant and inclusive crowd are only that way as you parrot the same things they believe.

And there is nothing wrong with what Trump said. We should be able to thoroughly vet immigrants before allowing them into the Country. That's not racist. That's Common sense. Its also not racist to want people to come Legally and make the effort to assimilate into our culture.

Trump held a rally in Burlington VA.

He issued 20,000 tickets for 1,400 seats then claimed 25,000 people showed up.

The Burlington Police report that they prepared for 6,500 and received 2,000 plus 700 protesters.

Now here's the punchline:

Trumps team issued "loyalty checks" at the entrances. Nobody who was not already a loyal Trump supporter (including independents and moderates) were escorted out.

In spite of this his rally was disrupted a number of times by protesters who infiltrated the rally.

If he can't even fill 1,400 seats without letting an "invalid" in, what makes him think he knows how to filter out thousands of Muslims from thousands more refugees properly?

ancapailldorcha

JohnMc1 wrote: »

There is nothing racist about calling Illegal Immigrants Illegal.

No but there is plenty racist about demonising entire demographics as rapists and terrorists.

Amazingfun

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

No but there is plenty racist about demonising entire demographics and rapists and terrorists.

:pac: Yeah, cuz "demonising" rapists and terrorists is so offensive!

Permabear

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ECO_Mental

Permabear wrote: »

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I know we are crossing threads here but I had to laugh at this. There isn't a snowballs chance that Trump will ever be president not with all the people he has alienated. He is on an ego trip and his five minutes will be over soon and he can go back to the apprentice. Although I would like to see him get the nomination and watch him crash and burn:)

ancapailldorcha

ECO_Mental wrote: »

I know we are crossing threads here but I had to laugh at this. There isn't a snowballs chance that Trump will ever be president not with all the people he has alienated. He is on an ego trip and his five minutes will be over soon and he can go back to the apprentice. Although I would like to see him get the nomination and watch him crash and burn:)

Don't be so sure. From The Economist:



Bear in mind that there are 17 candidates competing for the Republican ticket.

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walshyn93

ECO_Mental wrote: »

I know we are crossing threads here but I had to laugh at this. There isn't a snowballs chance that Trump will ever be president not with all the people he has alienated. He is on an ego trip and his five minutes will be over soon and he can go back to the apprentice. Although I would like to see him get the nomination and watch him crash and burn:)

Trump supporters:
"The data found that about half are between 45 and 64 years old, with another third over 65. Half of his voters have a high school education or less. Slightly over half are women, and slightly over a third make less than $50,000 per year, YouGov found."

Who is he alienating exactly?

When people say most of his supporters are white males with a high school diploma they fail to realise that most Americans don't have a high school diploma. So stats like this are misleading.

But more than half his supporters are women.

The Latino block vote is a myth. Latinos are as different from each other as they are from anyone else. 30% on average vote Republican and Trump's favourability with them was at 26% a few weeks after his announcement speech calling some of the people coming across the border rapists. He's not far off the average Republican and has some way to go yet.

Politicians may realise that it takes more than a few harsh words to alienate an entire group of people and that some people having thicker skin than they're given credit for.

MightyMandarin

walshyn93 wrote: »

Trump supporters:
"The data found that about half are between 45 and 64 years old, with another third over 65. Half of his voters have a high school education or less. Slightly over half are women, and slightly over a third make less than $50,000 per year, YouGov found."

Who is he alienating exactly?

When people say most of his supporters are white males with a high school diploma they fail to realise that most Americans don't have a high school diploma. So stats like this are misleading.

But more than half his supporters are women.

The Latino block vote is a myth. Latinos are as different from each other as they are from anyone else. 30% on average vote Republican and Trump's favourability with them was at 26% a few weeks after his announcement speech calling some of the people coming across the border rapists. He's not far off the average Republican and has some way to go yet.

Politicians may realise that it takes more than a few harsh words to alienate an entire group of people and that some people having thicker skin than they're given credit for.

He's alienated latinos, veterans and a lot of moderates and independents.

But most of his supporters are white, which don't account for nearly as much of the voting population as latinos, african americans and non-republican whites do.

The latino block is also not a myth. It's no secret that most latinos vote democrat, and the ones who are voting republican, will likely vote for Rubio as he's quite popular with them. Probably because he didn't call them 'rapists', among other reasons.

He's also a long, long way off the 'average republican'. In the past few months, leading republicans have consistently come out and condemned Trump and his nonsensical antics. He's alienated a lot of moderate republicans.

Your cartoon was also pretty cringe-worthy to be honest.

ECO_Mental

God help us all, I am still willing to bet the house trump doesn't get the nomination but hey what do I know.

walshyn93

MightyMandarin wrote: »

He's alienated latinos, veterans and a lot of moderates and independents.

But most of his supporters are white, which don't account for nearly as much of the voting population as latinos, african americans and non-republican whites do.

The latino block is also not a myth. It's no secret that most latinos vote democrat, and the ones who are voting republican, will likely vote for Rubio as he's quite popular with them. Probably because he didn't call them 'rapists', among other reasons.

He's also a long, long way off the 'average republican'. In the past few months, leading republicans have consistently come out and condemned Trump and his nonsensical antics. He's alienated a lot of moderate republicans.

Your cartoon was also pretty cringe-worthy to be honest.

I provided statistics to show you that in terms of support from Latinos he's not far of the average Republican. They can condemn him all they want it won't change the numbers.

The Latino block vote is a myth. The idea that they all have the same wants and concerns is farcical. What makes you think any of the ones who vote care about the southern border? What have they to gain from it being open? People who aren't overly political won't really care about stuff like that they'll vote based on the same type of things as everyone else. National security, the economy, jobs. The notion that all latinos want is an open border and increased competition for jobs and housing is the most condescending **** I've ever heard. The election will be held over a year from the day he made those comments, remember that.

The only reason many people care about open immigration is because they're told its a moral issue, when really it's just Democrats increasing the size of their base for the future and conservatives increasing the amount of cheap labour. There's nothing in it for the average voter regardless of ethnic group.

People arguing that Trump can't win the presidency without the Latino vote is fair. People arguing that Rubio can win the nomination without the white vote is...

MightyMandarin

walshyn93 wrote: »

I provided statistics to show you that in terms of support from Latinos he's not far of the average Republican. They can condemn him all they want it won't change the numbers.

The Latino block vote is a myth. The idea that they all have the same wants and concerns is farcical. What makes you think any of the ones who vote care about the southern border? What have they to gain from it being open? People who aren't overly political won't really care about stuff like that they'll vote based on the same type of things as everyone else. National security, the economy, jobs. The notion that all latinos want is an open border and increased competition for jobs and housing is the most condescending **** I've ever heard. The election will be held over a year from the day he made those comments, remember that.

The only reason many people care about open immigration is because they're told its a moral issue, when really it's just Democrats increasing the size of their base for the future and conservatives increasing the amount of cheap labour. There's nothing in it for the average voter regardless of ethnic group.

People arguing that Trump can't win the presidency without the Latino vote is fair. People arguing that Rubio can win the nomination without the white vote is...

Where is your source for these stats?

Donald Trump's comments on immigrants in general is the most condescending sh*t I've heard. Latinos don't all vote with each other, but they sure as hell don't respect a man who refers to them as 'rapists' and blames America's (supposed) economic problems on them. An open border is not the main issue, but for 1st generation immigrants it is a big issue, because like it or not, most of them have family back home, and probably would like to see them settle in America with them.

Why does there have to be something in it for them? It is exactly a moral issue because America was founded by immigrants, and like it or not immigrants have been a part of America's development for hundreds of years. Latinos and Muslims have been scapegoated by Trump because just like most right-wing clowns, it's easier to blame the problems on the minorities than on the real culprits; corporations, whose interests the GOP has done nothing but benefit.

Just like you claimed Trump has some Latinos voting for him, Rubio also has some whites voting for him. But these ethnic groups are irrelevant imo. The real reason people follow certain candidates is there policies and personality. Rubio is a moderate Republican, and appeals to the masses far more than Trump. Trump's doing well in the polls and has a dedicated fanbase, but I still can't see past Rubio getting the nomination because he's the guy most insider Republicans want to win (because he's the only one who could beat Hillary) and he's the one most Americans don't hate.

walshyn93

MightyMandarin wrote: »

Where is your source for these stats?

Donald Trump's comments on immigrants in general is the most condescending sh*t I've heard. Latinos don't all vote with each other, but they sure as hell don't respect a man who refers to them as 'rapists' and blames America's (supposed) economic problems on them. An open border is not the main issue, but for 1st generation immigrants it is a big issue, because like it or not, most of them have family back home, and probably would like to see them settle in America with them.

Why does there have to be something in it for them? It is exactly a moral issue because America was founded by immigrants, and like it or not immigrants have been a part of America's development for hundreds of years. Latinos and Muslims have been scapegoated by Trump because just like most right-wing clowns, it's easier to blame the problems on the minorities than on the real culprits; corporations, whose interests the GOP has done nothing but benefit.

Just like you claimed Trump has some Latinos voting for him, Rubio also has some whites voting for him. But these ethnic groups are irrelevant imo. The real reason people follow certain candidates is there policies and personality. Rubio is a moderate Republican, and appeals to the masses far more than Trump. Trump's doing well in the polls and has a dedicated fanbase, but I still can't see past Rubio getting the nomination because he's the guy most insider Republicans want to win (because he's the only one who could beat Hillary) and he's the one most Americans don't hate.

America was not founded by immigrants. America was founded by men who were born in the colonies. The conditioning is strong in you if you have forgotten what it means to be an immigrant.

In your last paragraph you basically backed up everything I said about people voting on the issues rather than identity, only we have a difference of opinion about the outcome.

MightyMandarin

walshyn93 wrote: »

America was not founded by immigrants. America was founded by men who were born in the colonies. The conditioning is strong in you if you have forgotten what it means to be an immigrant.

In your last paragraph you basically backed up everything I said about people voting on the issues rather than identity, only we have a difference of opinion about the outcome.

I was talking about the native americans. Hell, even the puritans were immigrants from England...

And you didn't provide a source on those stats you claimed.