Pedestrian killed

BabysCoffee

Saw a report on newstalk website that a pedestrian was killed on Hartstown Road at 2.30am.

RIP

My sympathies are with the family involved.

Road is blocked off by Gardai so might be wise to avoid.

fdevine

BabysCoffee wrote: »

Saw a report on newstalk website that a pedestrian was killed on Hartstown Road at 2.30am.

RIP

My sympathies are with the family involved.

Road is blocked off by Gardai so might be wise to avoid.

RIP. Tragic. Condolences to all affected.

Road has since reopened.

Male driver in his 20s has been arrested and charged.

Larbre34

Incidents on that road are far too common.

Condolences to the bereaved family and a speedy recovery to the injured woman.

Seanie_H

Driver arrested under suspicion of drink driving apparently.

Clair de Lune

Only a hundred yards from where a drunk driver killed himself and his friend in 2012. They need to put some ramps or something to sort out the idiots on that road.

The_Valeyard

Horrible start to 2016 for a family


RIP

Atlantic Dawn

2 women in their 40's hit apparently, one died, the other is in serious condition...

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/one-pedestrian-killed-one-injured-in-early-morning-crash-34331665.html

BabysCoffee

Clair de Lune wrote: »

Only a hundred yards from where a drunk driver killed himself and his friend in 2012. They need to put some ramps or something to sort out the idiots on that road.

The idiots just need to stop drink driving and driving dangerously

hotmail.com

Clair de Lune wrote: »

Only a hundred yards from where a drunk driver killed himself and his friend in 2012. They need to put some ramps or something to sort out the idiots on that road.

The road isn't to blame.

Crazy that people still drink drive. RIP to the woman.

thomasj

But it is that road. Every night there are boy racers flying up that road. The last crash where the 2 boys died, the next night there were speed races going on. It could easily have been one of those boyracer cars go out of control.

Personally i think that stretch of road is neglected by the powers to be. Every time there's a bout of rain, the footpaths flood, there's no speed bumps and that stretch could do with a pedestrian crossing maybe near the school/church.

Very sad to hear this has happened, heart goes out to the family of the woman who died and I hope that the woman in critical condition makes a speedy recovery.

It should be a wake up call. There's already too many trees in the area that have flowers by it and now there's another added to it.

Gavin "shels"

Past the scene twice today, heart in the mouth with the marks on the grass.

RIP

Grayditch

Pulled up to the blocked road last night only after seeing ambulances and fire brigades pass me. Saw the car on the side of the road. Then the flowers today. Heartbreaking.

The noise of the racers on that road at night is unnerving.

Larbre34

You wont get speed bumps on a main bus route, nor should you have to.

This is about enforcement, pure and simple, frustration and erradication of the boy racer types. One offence, prosecution; two offences, car crushed.

The type of car involved in the incident - black 02 Civic V-TEC. Now theres a surprise.

Emmadilema123

Grayditch wrote: »

Pulled up to the blocked road last night only after seeing ambulances and fire brigades pass me. Saw the car on the side of the road. Then the flowers today. Heartbreaking.

The noise of the racers on that road at night is unnerving.

There has been an increase in racing around Dublin 15. Nearly got smashed by 3 cars racing yesterday morning at 9. The rain was torrential and the roads were awful!

Families have been left absolutely devastated by that accident on Saturday/Sunday morning! When are ppl going to wake up and drive the roads properly! This is not a lack of driving ability , its a lack of care or consideration for other road users! Needs to be tackled at theory test stage!

Rip to that poor woman and sincere condolences to her family at this awful time!

heffomike54

Think the driving standards around Dublin 15 need to be addressed, the Ongar Distributor Road, from the Power City roundabout all the way to Ongar is like a race track. Hardly ever see a Garda car on this road either, never mind a traffic corp car but we regularly get the speed van at various points along the Navan Road. Hope it wont but worried we may see more incidents like this.

TallGlass

Larbre34 wrote: »

The type of car involved in the incident - black 02 Civic V-TEC. Now theres a surprise.

RIP to the women who lost her life, awful event made worse by the start of the year, sad to think the person was just out enjoying there night. I hope the other girl recovers.

To be perfectly honest, I don' think you can blame the car. If this guy was drinking and driving I think that is the over riding factor in this incident. From the picture on Independent link posted above it was a Type-S, which is a fairly common stock car, but back to my point it could have been a Lada and we would have the same result, drink had a big factor in this.

thomasj

While waiting on the bus this morning there was a car that sped past us. On the bus a few minutes later spotted gardai had pulled them over and were taking their details .

Good to see but it needs to be long term and not just reactionary in the short-term.

Grayditch

Stand at the Bus Stop beside the Topaz after 8pm and you'll more than likely see at least 3 cars shoot down that road at breaknecks speeds before you get your bus.

I don't know how they don't end up tearing into cars coming out of Cherryfield.

Anyway, RIP to the lady and condolences to her family. I hope for a full recovery for the other lady, too.

daymobrew

Larbre34 wrote: »

You wont get speed bumps on a main bus route, nor should you have to.

There are speed cushions along a 1.4km stretch of Diswellstown Road in Carpenterstown. It is the 37 bus route.

A child was killed on Diswellstown Road a number of years ago. I think that that incident (a true accident rather than bad driver behaviour) moved the process along. For years people had been complaining about speeding cars along the road. Maybe this incident will have the same effect.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

daymobrew wrote: »

There are speed cushions along a 1.4km stretch of Diswellstown Road in Carpenterstown. It is the 37 bus route.

A child was killed on Diswellstown Road a number of years ago. I think that that incident (a true accident rather than bad driver behaviour) moved the process along. For years people had been complaining about speeding cars along the road. Maybe this incident will have the same effect.

There are ramps on the road through Corduff, the one that goes from the roundabout at the IT around the back of the church/school then down past the park to the traffic lights. 38 and 220 use that road.

ongarite

Larbre34 wrote: »

You wont get speed bumps on a main bus route, nor should you have to.

That's not true, the 39 from Ongar goes by Clonsilla train station over at least 4 full size speed bumps as well as a mixture of those bus compatible speed ramps.
Can't see why they can't put speed ramps on the road if required.

gctest50

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Larbre34

Larbre34 wrote: »

You wont get speed bumps on a main bus route, nor should you have to.

This is about enforcement, pure and simple, frustration and erradication of the boy racer types. One offence, prosecution; two offences, car crushed.

The type of car involved in the incident - black 02 Civic V-TEC. Now theres a surprise.

unfortunately it just took one offence here and one girl was crushed, shocking. I mean what do you say to a family?? what's your defence as you're told you've violently ended a life?? shocking stuff

I know accidents happen, sometimes with fatal consequences but you can cut your chances by not behaving like an absolute PRICCK!!!!!!

Larbre34

TallGlass wrote: »

To be perfectly honest, I don' think you can blame the car. If this guy was drinking and driving I think that is the over riding factor in this incident. From the picture on Independent link posted above it was a Type-S, which is a fairly common stock car, but back to my point it could have been a Lada and we would have the same result, drink had a big factor in this.

Absolutely it could have been any vehicle, I just meant the make of car is typical of the type causing hassle in that area all the time

Gaspode

Larbre34 wrote: »

You wont get speed bumps on a main bus route, nor should you have to.

You do get ramps on lots of bus routes unfortunately. (You should try the 120 as it goes through Cabra, speed bump central.)
Certainly I agree that you shouldn't have to, but it seems to be the way of the world that we all have to suffer the speed ramps because a small number of numpties cant behave.

chucknorris

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

There are ramps on the road through Corduff, the one that goes from the roundabout at the IT around the back of the church/school then down past the park to the traffic lights. 38 and 220 use that road.

Even with those ramps, a young lad was nearly killed in November on the Blackcourt road.

There is so many reasons for an accident that multiple factors are at play. My understanding is that the ladies got off the nitelink and tried to cross the road, and the car with the drunk driver came up the side of the bus.

Those young men will live the rest of their lives with the decision they made that night.

BabysCoffee

chucknorris wrote: »

My understanding is that the ladies got off the nitelink and tried to cross the road.

So so sad

thomasj

Interesting alright , I heard they were coming from the hartstown but that makes sense.

Like I said, for a built up residential area with a primary school and shops and a petrol station.l, its disappointing that the stretch from the secondary school right down to the petrol station has no traffic lights or pedestrian crossings.

That along with improving the footpaths would go a long way.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

^There's a piece on The Journal says she was walking home from a local pub.

Would guards be appealing for witnesses if there was a bus load of people there when it happened? Doesn't matter, I suppose. It's the drunk driving is the issue regardless of circumstances.

chucknorris

chucknorris wrote: »

Those young men will live the rest of their lives with the decision they made that night.

While walking around freely, hanging out with their mates, just about whatever they like.

thomasj

She's been named in that article, has the name been released to the public?

Heart goes out to the family, especially with her daughter working on a cruise ship. So sad.

January

Well it's all over the internet today so yeah I'd reckon it's been released to the public.

Chucknorris, my understanding of the boy being knocked down in Corduff was that he hadn't used the pedestrian crossing provided mere meters away and he came out from between cars that were parked on the side of the road. Quite different to what happened here in my opinion.

MrMaki

Can someone tell me what speed ramp will change in drunk driver behavior?

imho it will just more dangerous, as driver will loose control on the car much easier when he hit the ramp.

I don't want to be punished with a ramps, because of few boy racers who can't behave. Instead of spending money on ramps I would be delighted to see better policing, maybe some cctv system or a speed camera/s


on other note - what example does judge give to other drink driving idiots, when he release drunk murderer from jail, let him go free, to attend court sitting in a month time ?

maybe this issue should be addressed first, not the ramps.

Grayditch

Nobody suggested the ramps were for drunk drivers. They meant for boy racers. And those aren't even mutually exclusive on that road.

TallGlass

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

It's the drunk driving is the issue regardless of circumstances.

It's not drunk driving that's the issue, it's drink driving you don't have to be drunk for the drink to impair your senses. So I think that term drunk driver is very misleading, when you say that it makes it sound like its okay to drink drive, just once your not drunk you'll be fine.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

TallGlass wrote: »

It's not drunk driving that's the issue, it's drink driving you don't have to be drunk for the drink to impair your senses. So I think that term drunk driver is very misleading, when you say that it makes it sound like its okay to drink drive, just once your not drunk you'll be fine.

That's obviously not what I was implying. The fact that the i and the u are right beside each other on a keypad is something you might want to consider.

gctest50

Grayditch wrote: »

Nobody suggested the ramps were for drunk drivers. They meant for boy racers. And those aren't even mutually exclusive on that road.

Ramps are a dumb idea, they'll just find somewhere else to race

someone else in another area getting knocked down and killed isn't really a solution

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

gctest50 wrote: »

Ramps are a dumb idea, they'll just find somewhere else to race

someone else in another area getting knocked down and killed isn't really a solution

If it was the first incident of it's kind on a stretch of road you could maybe argue against a need for ramps. But it's not and according to people who live around there speeding and dangerous driving in general is an issue which needs to be resolved on that particular stretch.

Grayditch

gctest50 wrote: »

Ramps are a dumb idea, they'll just find somewhere else to race

someone else in another area getting knocked down and killed isn't really a solution

What would you suggest, then?

Atlantic Dawn

Grayditch wrote: »

What would you suggest, then?

Fixed speed cameras.

billie1b

chucknorris wrote: »

Even with those ramps, a young lad was nearly killed in November on the Blackcourt road.

There is so many reasons for an accident that multiple factors are at play. My understanding is that the ladies got off the nitelink and tried to cross the road, and the car with the drunk driver came up the side of the bus.

Those young men will live the rest of their lives with the decision they made that night.

The 2 ladies were in the local pub and had left to walk home, they had crossed the road and were walking on the path when the driver mounted it and hit them and a tree. Pity it was the poor lady that was killed and not the gobshíte drunk driving

Grayditch

They won't put a fixed camera there.

athtrasna

Grayditch wrote: »

They won't put a fixed camera there.

It wouldn't last an hour

dodzy

Grayditch wrote: »

What would you suggest, then?

Ramps may well have avoided this girls death. Anybody who lives in the area has witnessed the speed freaks on many occasions on this stretch. In this instance, they were travelling from the Salmons direction. If they got green lights at the blakestown rd junction and the link road, they'd be fairly ripping along by the topaz bend. Ramps would have most likely prevented this speed buildup.

I hate them, but in this particular instance, they would definitely help curb the speed, in both directions. This stretch is no stranger to accidents / fatalities. The fact that "they will find somewhere else" has no bearing on the fact that the run would be made safer with the ramps. These speed scrotes typically have their autos of choice sitting as low to the concrete as possible, and as far as I can see, the speed aspect aside, they tend to look after them so I don't see how they'd risk ripping the box / underside out of them by hurtling over ramps.

Grayditch

Well, we've heard on this thread how speed bumps will (a): cause more drunk drivers to mount the paths and (b): just shift the deaths somewhere else.

I don't think either are logical points. Speed bumps are horrible looking. They're inconvenient to the majority of drivers, who don't abuse the road. But I don't see any realistic alternative at the moment.

chucknorris

January wrote: »

Well it's all over the internet today so yeah I'd reckon it's been released to the public.

Chucknorris, my understanding of the boy being knocked down in Corduff was that he hadn't used the pedestrian crossing provided mere meters away and he came out from between cars that were parked on the side of the road. Quite different to what happened here in my opinion.

The boy didn't used the pedestrian crossing 50 yards up the hill because he lives 100 yards down the hill, be that right or wrong or indifferent. The kid and many kids like him cross at the entrance to the park itself where there is no pedestrian lights.

If those cars are not blocking the line of sight, kids can cross the road safer with a clear view. The cars are an issue for adults never mind a kid who is far lower in height. The same issue occurred in the same spot Five years ago with a boy of similar age on his way to the football nursery.

The Hartstown road is a fast road and it needs to be slowed down. The response from the gardai is that the Blakestown road outside Peregrines was statistically more dangerous than the Hartstown road but that was due to a car full of young men drinking, that hit a side house and a few were killed. The Blakestown road has since had speed bumps installed and still the Gatso speed van picks the Blakestown road over the Hartstown road as more dangerous to warrant their speed bans to be placed there.

Whomever is compiling the stats on where to place Gatso vans is obviously a pen pusher.

I agree with a recent view that drink drivers will find a way to make all road safety initiatives useless but perhaps even a slight reduction in speed would have saved that ladies life.

dodzy

FWIW Chuck, the Gatso on the Blakestown Road (outside the Briarwood stores) was mooted to be not there for speed catching. I was told this way back and thought "WTF ?"

But when you actually looked at the positioning of the van relative to the position of the last speed ramp before reaching the van, you would have had to pound the ramp in order to be over the limit. That got me thinking that perhaps it's function was to watch something other than cars.

ThisRegard

Or simply be a deterrent?

Emmadilema123

Trying to get out of topaz or eurospar there at the hartstown is a nightmare due to speed of cars! With busy bus stops and lights as well as cars coming out at the eurospar junction, the topaz and the church all within yards of each other AND an entrance to the a houzing estate on the opposite side its just not safe to drive that road fast! Its absolutely wreckless! It needs a ramp!

thomasj

Anyone heard how the woman who was critically injured is doing. Hoping she gets better soon.

W1zardst

gctest50 wrote: »

Ramps are a dumb idea, they'll just find somewhere else to race

someone else in another area getting knocked down and killed isn't really a solution

What's the point in having speed bumps anywhere in the country then? Let's get rid of them all, as by your logic they only shift the problem around the place. Christ, your post is one of the dumbest posts I have ever read on boards.