Attempted murder.

Jimlh86

http://www.sundayworld.com/news/gardas-private-cars-have-brakes-cut-in-shocking-murder-bid#.Voh4X5IZj4Q.mailto


Thoughts anyone?

outdoors247

Could be worse

allthedoyles

Surprised the Garda drove off in a car after removing the foam without checking everything else first .

outdoors247

Lucky it wasn't a pipebomb

Jimlh86

Would you really expect the brakes to be tampered with?

Jimlh86

outdoors247 wrote: »

Lucky it wasn't a pipebomb

That's a very valid point! Thankfully that way of thinking hasn't really made it's way across the border, although threats to Gaurds homes/ private cars is becoming very common!

outdoors247

Well if some one tried to flood me house and tamperd with the exhaust of both cars and I was a guard I'd be checking the car over .Id emagine whoever done it probably new he was a guard so that would be reason enough to check everything over

Countdown to someone justifying this with mention of water protests

outdoors247

Plenty of pipe bomb attacks down here just a matter of time until a guard gets targeted just depends on whatever criminal they deal with

Jimlh86

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Countdown to someone justifying this with mention of water protests

It will probably come at some point alright! Look it's not the most horrific thing to happen a policeman ever considering what members of some forces endure, but still to be targeted because of the job you do?

BorneTobyWilde

Who ever did it watches too much movies.
Brakes would of worked a bit still
Plus the hand brake
He would notice brakes not working pulling out of drive.
Weird
Attempted murder LOL
More of a prank

allthedoyles

Christmas morning sounds like an unusual day to carry out this act - imo

TotallyEpic

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Who ever did it watches too much movies.
Brakes would of worked a bit still
Plus the hand brake
He would notice brakes not working pulling out of drive.
Weird
Attempted murder LOL
More of a prank

I'd say it's a little more severe than a prank to be honest...

TotallyEpic

allthedoyles wrote: »

Christmas morning sounds like an unusual day to carry out this act - imo

Quiet streets, probably when least expected.

Jimlh86

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Who ever did it watches too much movies.
Brakes would of worked a bit still
Plus the hand brake
He would notice brakes not working pulling out of drive.
Weird
Attempted murder LOL
More of a prank

Hold on now a second! A prank? Really? I wonder if you would see it that way if this was your car or your wife's car? Obviously he stopped the car without incident but what if his wife hadn't? What if she didn't use the brakes until she had reached a high enough speed to hurt herself? Egging a house = prank cutting someone's brake = intent on doing harm

BorneTobyWilde

allthedoyles wrote: »

Christmas morning sounds like an unusual day to carry out this act - imo

Yep
I would look at guard in question
And also his wife
Looks very suspect

Atlantic Dawn

The Sunday World is basically a comic.

Cutting brakes would require tools and a basic understanding of brakes, it would leave brake fluid around the wheels and unless the garda lived on a hill he would notice almost immediately that brakes were gone.

BorneTobyWilde

Jimlh86 wrote: »

Hold on now a second! A prank? Really? I wonder if you would see it that way if this was your car or your wife's car? Obviously he stopped the car without incident but what if his wife hadn't? What if she didn't use the brakes until she had reached a high enough speed to hurt herself? Egging a house = prank cutting someone's brake = intent on doing harm

Simply not possible to get up to speed without first noticing the brake have failed. Like I said pulling out of drive is where one would first notice that there is no brakes. You would need to be on the start line on a drag strip to get up to speed without noticing one has no brakes

Jimlh86

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Simply not possible to get up to speed without first noticing the brake have failed. Like I said pulling out of drive is where one would first notice that there is no brakes. You would need to be on the start line on a drag strip to get up to speed without noticing one has no brakes

Why is that? What if the car was facing out if the drive? Christmas morning not much on the road why couldn't you build up speed?

outdoors247

Maybe he was on the naughty list ha

BorneTobyWilde

I still see cutting of the brake as an inconvenience to them
Not a murder attempt
It was an act of vandalism
Like the banana in the tail pipe

Jimlh86

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I still see cutting of the brake as an inconvenience to them
Not a murder attempt
It was an act of vandalism
Like the banana in the tail pipe

Granted murder attempt is strong. But if I was a mate of yours I'd hate to be on the receiving end of your pranks!

allthedoyles

Gardai can't be forced to live in the area where they work says Roche

Now we know why this was said last week :



http://www.independent.ie/regionals/newrossstandard/news/gardai-cant-be-forced-to-live-in-the-area-where-they-work-says-roche-34318951.html

johnnyskeleton

outdoors247 wrote: »

Well if some one tried to flood me house and tamperd with the exhaust of both cars and I was a guard I'd be checking the car over .Id emagine whoever done it probably new he was a guard so that would be reason enough to check everything over

?

Cutting someones breaklines is not so bad if you assume that they are gonna carry out a full service before setting off, with no information as to his expertise as a car mechanic?

Victim blame much?

outdoors247

In fairness he said vandalism not prank

Jimlh86

outdoors247 wrote: »

In fairness he said vandalism not prank

I think in an earlier post he refered to it as a prank

outdoors247

Just read back ya he did say prank sorry

BorneTobyWilde

Jimlh86 wrote: »

Granted murder attempt is strong. But if I was a mate of yours I'd hate to be on the receiving end of your pranks!

The guards should also know that by describing it as a murder attempt puts the husband and wife as the prime suspects. It's basic math that is backed up by years of police work world wide.
So it's a strange statement to come out with.

Jimlh86

outdoors247 wrote: »

Just read back ya he did say prank sorry

We won't fall out over it! I should probably change the title it was a poor choice but in still think it's a dirty thing to do to anyone.

Pocaide

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

The guards should also know that by describing it as a murder attempt puts the husband and wife as the prime suspects. It's basic math that is backed up by years of police work world wide.
So it's a strange statement to come out with.

Does this come from your years of police experience.

outdoors247

It is a bad thing to do aright but sure no one got hurt

Jimlh86

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

The guards should also know that by describing it as a murder attempt puts the husband and wife as the prime suspects. It's basic math that is backed up by years of police work world wide.
So it's a strange statement to come out with.

Trust me theirs no way Garda. Management stated this was attempted murder! Me thinks the Sunday World wanted a juicier piece of journalism

Pocaide

outdoors247 wrote: »

It is a bad thing to do aright but sure no one got hurt

So if I shot at you and missed but sure no one got hurt, it's ok.

topmanamillion

I wouldn't put it past the sun to have completely made up the story. Surely if this was true and being treated as a "murder attempt" the name of the guard would be released or if not his name at least the general area in an attempt to have witnesses come forward.

Pocaide

Jimlh86 wrote: »

Trust me theirs no way Garda. Management stated this was attempted murder! Me thinks the Sunday World wanted a juicier piece of journalism

Agree

Jimlh86

Pocaide wrote: »

So if I shot at you and missed but sure no one got hurt, it's ok.

I think outdoors either misses the point or wants a reaction!

BunkMoreland

Plenty of people would panic if the brakes didn't respond and wouldn't be quick enough to think of the handbrake.

I live on a lane which goes up hill. I wouldn't need to touch the brakes till I got to the road junction and would have built up a lot of speed by then.

Not sure why people dismiss having no brakes as no big deal.

Pocaide

topmanamillion wrote: »

I wouldn't put it past the sun to have completely made up the story. Surely if this was true and being treated as a "murder attempt" the name of the guard would be released or if not his name at least the general area in an attempt to have witnesses come forward.

General area was given Co Wexford

outdoors247

No what I mean is at least no one got hurt a good end to the story

Pocaide

A good end to the story would be whoever is responsible for this, getting caught.

outdoors247

I'd say it won't be long til the fools get found out probably get caught braggin about it

BorneTobyWilde

Pocaide wrote: »

Does this come from your years of police experience.

Nope
Just common knowledge
Any murder or murder attempt between a husband and wife typically ends up with a case against one or the other. Of course there are exceptions ,but the percentage is very high where it's one or the other.

I guess my point is that it was silly to describe it as a murder attempt, as I don't think it is at all. I just think that from the outside looking in most would look at husband or wife in an attempt murder case. Which this is not! But it was described that way, so it puts focus on them as stats back up that focus.But like I said, it's not a real murder attempt case at all
If it truly was then prime suspects need investigating, and that's the husband and wife.

Basically they opened up a can of worms by saying there was a murder attempt on one or the other on Xmas morning when no one else was around. In a real murder attempt one would have questions to answer.
It's not real. They should not have said it was a murder attempt in my opinion

Little CuChulainn

allthedoyles wrote: »

Surprised the Garda drove off in a car after removing the foam without checking everything else first .

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The Sunday World is basically a comic.

Cutting brakes would require tools and a basic understanding of brakes, it would leave brake fluid around the wheels and unless the garda lived on a hill he would notice almost immediately that brakes were gone.

What are you talking about? Who checks their brake lines before driving off. Most Gardaí park facing out. It's a safety thing that they pick up in work. If you get into your car and drive out of your driveway you can be a good distance away before you need to brake.

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Who ever did it watches too much movies.
Brakes would of worked a bit still
Plus the hand brake
He would notice brakes not working pulling out of drive.
Weird
Attempted murder LOL
More of a prank

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I still see cutting of the brake as an inconvenience to them
Not a murder attempt
It was an act of vandalism
Like the banana in the tail pipe

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Nope
Just common knowledge
Any murder or murder attempt between a husband and wife typically ends up with a case against one or the other. Of course there are exceptions ,but the percentage is very high where it's one or the other.

I guess my point is that it was silly to describe it as a murder attempt, as I don't think it is at all. I just think that from the outside looking in most would look at husband or wife in an attempt murder case. Which this is not! But it was described that way, so it puts focus on them as stats back up that focus.But like I said, it's not a real murder attempt case at all
If it truly was then prime suspects need investigating, and that's the husband and wife.

Basically they opened up a can of worms by saying there was a murder attempt on one or the other on Xmas morning when no one else was around. In a real murder attempt one would have questions to answer.
It's not real. They should not have said it was a murder attempt in my opinion

My god. What absolute clap trap you come out with. Th eonly reason to cut a persons brakes is to make them crash. There is no other reason to do it. This goes way beyond a prank. Why do you think nobody is around Christmas morning? There's plenty of **** happens on Christmas morning all over the place. You probably just don't see it from your bed. Christmas means nothing to many people.

topmanamillion

Pocaide wrote: »

General area was given Co Wexford

This a wind up? Wexford is one of the larger counties in the country. Hardly specific.

timmywex

topmanamillion wrote: »

This a wind up? Wexford is one of the larger counties in the country. Hardly specific.

New Ross, Wexford according to Independent

riffmongous

timmywex wrote: »

New Ross, Wexford according to Independent

There's some fairly steep hills in new ross

gctest50

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The Sunday World is basically a comic.

Cutting brakes would require tools and a basic understanding of brakes, it would leave brake fluid around the wheels and unless the garda lived on a hill he would notice almost immediately that brakes were gone.

too many 1950s films there

gctest50

^^^^^^^

The FIAT, chrysler Uconnect entertainment ( the radio and all that ) has a SIM card in it sometimes

6.5 touchscreen UconnectTM systems set the FIAT 500X apart as an all-new model.

http://www.fiatpress.ie/press/article/323

The radio is wired to something that the car controls are wired to and it all USED TO BE wide open to the internet - they fixed it

It would just answer, no need to be in the same country even

$ telnet W.X.Y.Z 123456789765
Trying W.X.Y.Z...
Connected to W.X.Y.Z

Escape character is '^]'.
TEST12345

ERROR "Unknown command"

First we need to start a diagnostic session with the ABS ECU

EID: 18DA28F1, Len: 08, Data: 02 10 03 00 00 00 00 00

Bleed the brakes <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



EID: 18DA28F1, Len: 08, Data: 10 11 2F 5A BF 03 64 64
EID: 18DA28F1, Len: 08, Data: 64 64 64 64 6
4 64 64 64

EID: 18DA28F1, Len: 08, Data: 64 64 64 00 00 00 00 00