slurry 2016

topgeas

nearly full. need dry weather soon and very soon. when land was dry at start of nov it was closed period. calander farming is a great idea........

Bullocks

topgeas wrote: »

nearly full. need dry weather soon and very soon. when land was dry at start of nov it was closed period. calander farming is a great idea........

Twud be nice to take advantage of a dry week here and there in the closed season but I'd say the way it's looking we would be safer having few extra weeks storage cos we won't be getting any change in the rules .
I don't know when we will get slurry out here , I've never seen the place so saturated and there's no let up in the wet weather yet either

darragh_haven

Along with the fact that the rules won't be changing anytime soon, horsing out slurry just to try and empty (or lower)tanks isn't the best use of a valuable by-product. The weather patterns seem to becoming more erratic so having 10% or 20% more slurry storage than the minimum requirements should really be the target. There is nothing worse for mental health than worrying about some you can't immediately control.
I know it all cost money, but do it once and do it right.

frazzledhome

darragh_haven wrote: »

Along with the fact that the rules won't be changing anytime soon, horsing out slurry just to try and empty (or lower)tanks isn't the best use of a valuable by-product. The weather patterns seem to becoming more erratic so having 10% or 20% more slurry storage than the minimum requirements should really be the target. There is nothing worse for mental health than worrying about some you can't immediately control.
I know it all cost money, but do it once and do it right.

Or a sub pump with 2" outlet as well as 50m of lay flat. Pump water to field

Bullocks

frazzledhome wrote: »

Or a sub pump with 2" outlet as well as 50m of lay flat. Pump water to field

Did I read that they were allowing that after all the flooding this year? We have a shed here that needs new gutters and it must be 90% rain water

Mehaffey1

darragh_haven wrote: »

Along with the fact that the rules won't be changing anytime soon, horsing out slurry just to try and empty (or lower)tanks isn't the best use of a valuable by-product. The weather patterns seem to becoming more erratic so having 10% or 20% more slurry storage than the minimum requirements should really be the target. There is nothing worse for mental health than worrying about some you can't immediately control.
I know it all cost money, but do it once and do it right.

Welcome to my world where effluent is seen as a waste product. Currently have 6.5 hectares for 720 milking cows, twice a day, worth of liquid effluent, total disgrace, plus the solids effluent spreading has been put on hold till at least the 2nd week of January.

trixi2011

Mehaffey1 wrote: »

Welcome to my world where effluent is seen as a waste product. Currently have 6.5 hectares for 720 milking cows, twice a day, worth of liquid effluent, total disgrace, plus the solids effluent spreading has been put on hold till at least the 2nd week of January.

Ye wouldnt want a visit from ecan they wouldnt be long stringing you up by the balls 4 that

Mehaffey1

trixi2011 wrote: »

Ye wouldnt want a visit from ecan they wouldnt be long stringing you up by the balls 4 that

Ecan would be laughing all the way to the courtroom and rightly so. We're awaiting a delivery of piping to allow us an extra 9 ha. As to why we didn't install K line pods when the farm was converted I don't know.

whelan2

darragh_haven wrote: »

Along with the fact that the rules won't be changing anytime soon, horsing out slurry just to try and empty (or lower)tanks isn't the best use of a valuable by-product. The weather patterns seem to becoming more erratic so having 10% or 20% more slurry storage than the minimum requirements should really be the target. There is nothing worse for mental health than worrying about some you can't immediately control.
I know it all cost money, but do it once and do it right.

Agree , also the fact that some lads dont seem to have a closed period at all. Rules are rules.

Sam Kade

Bullocks wrote: »

Did I read that they were allowing that after all the flooding this year? We have a shed here that needs new gutters and it must be 90% rain water

I heard it on the radio was only half listening, I'm sure it's only in areas prone to flooding though. My neighbour had a broken gutter last year during heavy rain and it filled the tank, he rang the dept about it and they said spread away it's only water, I'd prefer to get it in writing though.

valtra2

When is the open dates in South east

Greengrass1

whelan2 wrote: »

Agree , also the fact that some lads dont seem to have a closed period at all. Rules are rules.

You can spread parlour washings. I'm spreading it here.

whelan2

Greengrass1 wrote: »

You can spread parlour washings. I'm spreading it here.

I know that, I am talking of lads spreading actual slurry in December. Tanks wouldnt be full of rain water around here as we didnt get as much rain as other parts of the country. Same people do it every year.

9935452

whelan2 wrote: »

I know that, I am talking of lads spreading actual slurry in December. Tanks wouldnt be full of rain water around here as we didnt get as much rain as other parts of the country. Same people do it every year.

But the only thing i see is we had a very dry autumn , cattle went in late .
If tanks are full , a lot of it must be water

whelan2

9935452 wrote: »

But the only thing i see is we had a very dry autumn , cattle went in late .
If tanks are full , a lot of it must be water

Or people dont have enough storage for the amount of stock they have for the closed period, btw our ground is very heavy so wouldnt even get out with dairy washings

9935452

whelan2 wrote: »

Or people dont have enough storage for the amount of stock they have for the closed period, btw our ground is very heavy so wouldnt even get out with dairy washings

True . lol
I dont believe any ground would be good enough to get out onto today with a vacuum tank.
The only option would be rain gun or spout on the back of the tank off a passage

Greengrass1

9935452 wrote: »

True . lol
I dont believe any ground would be good enough to get out onto today with a vacuum tank.
The only option would be rain gun or spout on the back of the tank off a passage

A1 here. Gap is messy though. I'll get the neighbour to drop power harrow on it when he's sowing thr barley in april

visatorro

Greengrass1 wrote:

A1 here. Gap is messy though. I'll get the neighbour to drop power harrow on it when he's sowing thr barley in april

I'd get out with washings no bother I'd just have to do without the tractor because I wouldn't get back to the yard.
will be very tight for storage as I'm collecting rainwater from an open yard.

Carrigogunnell

whelan2 wrote: »

Or people dont have enough storage for the amount of stock they have for the closed period, btw our ground is very heavy so wouldnt even get out with dairy washings

True. What I don't agree with tho is guys needing 18 weeks storage when cows go in first week December and out grazing in February all because Mr council man says so. Go 5 mile up the road guy has no slatted tank open yard small little tank that would fill in days rain and nothing ever said but surely his days a numbers

darragh_haven

Carrigogunnell wrote: »

True. What I don't agree with tho is guys needing 18 weeks storage when cows go in first week December and out grazing in February all because Mr council man says so. Go 5 mile up the road guy has no slatted tank open yard small little tank that would fill in days rain and nothing ever said but surely his days a numbers

You have to have storage for the worst case scenario, no farmer will have animals housed so little EVERY year

whelan2

Carrigogunnell wrote: »

True. What I don't agree with tho is guys needing 18 weeks storage when cows go in first week December and out grazing in February all because Mr council man says so. Go 5 mile up the road guy has no slatted tank open yard small little tank that would fill in days rain and nothing ever said but surely his days a numbers

Agree but its not every year cattle/cows are out until early December. Better to have too much storage than not enough. So if you increase numbers or weather doesnt play ball you are not losing any sleep about it

pedigree 6

valtra2 wrote: »

When is the open dates in South east

12th jan. I have outdoor slatted area for feeding cows. Every time it rains now the slurry in the tank goes up an inch or two. It's two foot off the top now.
This tank was empty when cows went in. I made it to hold an extra 30 cows storage. The next project on the farm will be to roof this area.
So anyone with tanks filling up I feel your pain.

topgeas

pedigree 6 wrote: »

12th jan. I have outdoor slatted area for feeding cows. Every time it rains now the slurry in the tank goes up an inch or two. It's two foot off the top now.
This tank was empty when cows went in. I made it to hold an extra 30 cows storage. The next project on the farm will be to roof this area.
So anyone with tanks filling up I feel your pain.

thats the problem i have, 100FT x 16ft slatted tank that needs roofing.

frazzledhome

pedigree 6 wrote: »

12th jan. I have outdoor slatted area for feeding cows. Every time it rains now the slurry in the tank goes up an inch or two. It's two foot off the top now.
This tank was empty when cows went in. I made it to hold an extra 30 cows storage. The next project on the farm will be to roof this area.
So anyone with tanks filling up I feel your pain.

Pump water out to paddock, whole place saturated won't matter one jot

pedigree 6

frazzledhome wrote: »

Pump water out to paddock, whole place saturated won't matter one jot

I think that's what may happen. With all this rain and a lot more forecast if it does get serious i'm thinking of getting attachment on back of slurry spreader and spreading off farm roadways.
Spreading water from bottom of tank that is and this is where putting roadways up the middle of fields helps.

Sam Kade

pedigree 6 wrote: »

I think that's what may happen. With all this rain and a lot more forecast if it does get serious i'm thinking of getting attachment on back of slurry spreader and spreading off farm roadways.
Spreading water from bottom of tank that is and this is where putting roadways up the middle of fields helps.

The sprinkler that moves up and down the field would be the right job for that but at around 20k they don't come cheap. If 4 or 5 farmers bought one between them it would be fairly affordable though.

http://briggsirrigation.co.uk/applications/dirty-water/

visatorro

frazzledhome wrote: »

Pump water out to paddock, whole place saturated won't matter one jot

the dept or co,co wont see it as "water"

patsy_mccabe

visatorro wrote: »

the dept or co,co wont see it as "water"

Shur they can't travel anywhere in this weather.

rangler1

visatorro wrote: »

the dept or co,co wont see it as "water"

and you're not allowed spread on saturated land any way

farmerjj

rangler1 wrote: »

and you're not allowed spread on saturated land any way

If your tanks full u have no choice.

frazzledhome

visatorro wrote: »

the dept or co,co wont see it as "water"

Welfare

visatorro

frazzledhome wrote:

Welfare

I know but it's just an argument I'd rather not have!

rangler1

frazzledhome wrote: »

Welfare

Do you guys never get inspections that your tanks are filling in eight weeks instead of sixteen.
As far as I know the only concessions that are being given is where a flooded river fills your tanks

whelan2

rangler1 wrote: »

Do you guys never get inspections that your tanks are filling in eight weeks instead of sixteen.
As far as I know the only concessions that are being given is where a flooded river fills your tanks

We had this discussion on here before, it seems some county councils aren't as strict as others, imo we should all be singing from the same hymn sheet

trixi2011

had to get umbilical in today to spread some dirty water (in uk not in a nvz ) used trailing shoe doesn't seem to have tracked. Same lagoon had still room at the end of February last year going to be a lot of pressure on once heifer come in in the next few weeks

Timmaay

9935452 wrote: »

True . lol
I dont believe any ground would be good enough to get out onto today with a vacuum tank.
The only option would be rain gun or spout on the back of the tank off a passage

Frazz you got a photo of the 90degree attachment you made up? Think I'll 100% have to get one made up over the next day or so... For dairy washings of course.

whelan2

Timmaay wrote: »

Frazz you got a photo of the 90degree attachment you made up? Think I'll 100% have to get one made up over the next day or so... For dairy washings of course.

most machinery places have them, a 90 degree elbow, we have one havent used it in a while

red bull

Are Lawrence Edwards gold star pumps available anywhere ?

Sam Kade

rangler1 wrote: »

Do you guys never get inspections that your tanks are filling in eight weeks instead of sixteen.
As far as I know the only concessions that are being given is where a flooded river fills your tanks

Surely with the excessive rainfall anyone with an open tank are allowed to do the same.

rangler1

Sam Kade wrote: »

Surely with the excessive rainfall anyone with an open tank are allowed to do the same.

From agriland

''In emergency cases, farmers will be permitted to pump some water out of flooded tanks but only for animal welfare reasons. This concession will apply only in those areas that have been severely affected by flooding.''

WheatenBriar

Timmaay wrote: »

Frazz you got a photo of the 90degree attachment you made up? Think I'll 100% have to get one made up over the next day or so... For dairy washings of course.

Farm services will have them

frazzledhome

rangler1 wrote: »

Do you guys never get inspections that your tanks are filling in eight weeks instead of sixteen.
As far as I know the only concessions that are being given is where a flooded river fills your tanks

A point of information.

I was mearly contributing to this thread and by doing so does not imply my need to spread or empty tanks. More than ample storage here.

frazzledhome

Timmaay wrote: »

Frazz you got a photo of the 90degree attachment you made up? Think I'll 100% have to get one made up over the next day or so... For dairy washings of course.

Didn't get made up, bought off shelf c€100

Any good spares shop or slurry tank dealer will have them

frazzledhome

rangler1 wrote: »

Do you guys never get inspections that your tanks are filling in eight weeks instead of sixteen.
As far as I know the only concessions that are being given is where a flooded river fills your tanks

5 inspections last year

Just the right distance from Dvo for full mileage and dinner allowance

Sam Kade

rangler1 wrote: »

From agriland

''In emergency cases, farmers will be permitted to pump some water out of flooded tanks but only for animal welfare reasons. This concession will apply only in those areas that have been severely affected by flooding.''

So they are allowed to pump water out of flooded tanks which more than likely is adjacent to flooded land.

Miname

I've a tank here that a grommet has popped and is now near full. There's damn all options I'm going to have but break out in the closed period this year . I can shuffle loads from tank to other ones but even still it won't see me out. If it needs doing it will just have to be done, regs or not.

jaymla627

Sam Kade wrote: »

So they are allowed to pump water out of flooded tanks which more than likely is adjacent to flooded land.

County councils are still pumping raw sewerage into water systems countrywide 365 days a year, it's a case of do as I say not as I do with a lot of county councils across the country.....
The b.o.d of soiled unagitated flooded tanks would be miniscule compared to whats going into water courses from the council

Sam Kade

Miname wrote: »

I've a tank here that a grommet has popped and is now near full. There's damn all options I'm going to have but break out in the closed period this year . I can shuffle loads from tank to other ones but even still it won't see me out. If it needs doing it will just have to be done, regs or not.

The thing is even if you have proper storage for your livestock numbers there is excessive rainfall this winter which is over the estimated amounts for each zone. So with an open tank what do they think people should do with this excess? Draw it around the country to empty tanks.

darragh_haven

Sam Kade wrote: »

The thing is even if you have proper storage for your livestock numbers there is excessive rainfall this winter which is over the estimated amounts for each zone. So with an open tank what do they think people should do with this excess? Draw it around the country to empty tanks.

There is approx 300 mm excess in the worst hit areas. This should only mean 300 mm extra in your tank.

rangler1

Sam Kade wrote: »

So they are allowed to pump water out of flooded tanks which more than likely is adjacent to flooded land.

Are you not supposed to have an extra metre over and above in open tanks to allow for rainfall or have you open yards as well.
Is the 90degree attachment legal now!!!!!!!!

Sam Kade

jaymla627 wrote: »

County councils are still pumping raw sewerage into water systems countrywide 365 days a year, it's a case of do as I say not as I do with a lot of county councils across the country.....
The b.o.d of soiled unagitated flooded tanks would be miniscule compared to whats going into water courses from the council

Even if soiled water were pumped onto a water logged field the solids will be retained in the topsoil which will be taken up by the plant when growth starts and by the time the water reaches the underground streams it will be filtered so much you could drink it. But some pen pusher in Brussels knows better :mad: