Smoking with kids in the car - Illegal now

dslamjack

Smoking with kids in the car - Illegal now, garda can fine ye 100 euro's,150 euro's if ye don't pay within the month and 1,000 euro's if ye go to court.
I was wandering does smoking on the way or outside court count?

Kev W

dslamjack wrote: »

Smoking with kids in the car - Illegal now, garda can fine ye 100 euro's,150 euro's if ye don't pay within the month and 1,000 euro's if ye go to court.
I was wandering does smoking on the way or outside count?

Probably not if you're not in the car.

whiskeyman

What if my kids are the ones smoking?

Kev W

whiskeyman wrote: »

What if my kids are the ones smoking?

As long as there's no other kids in the car, that's fine!

golfball37

whiskeyman wrote: »

What if my kids are the ones smoking?

Then the driver gets the fine and offence- Not joking. Same if its a passenger smoking. The driver gets the fine and offence.

RayM

What? You can't even share carcinogens with your own children, in your own car? This is political correctness gone mad. Grrr... nanny state, etc.

Duggy747

Just do the sensible thing and buy them some gas masks. :pac:

Kev W

golfball37 wrote: »

Then the driver gets the fine and offence- Not joking. Same if its a passenger smoking. The driver gets the fine and offence.

Why would that be a joke? It makes sense. Not the passenger bit though. Though if you're such a wimp you can't stop someone smoking in your car you're probably not going to kick up a fuss about the fine!

Just feck them outta the car in the cold and rain, then have your smoke. Let them back in once your finished and it safe for them to do

The Randy Riverbeast

If I want to breath smoke I'm my children's face I should be allowed. They belong to me and nobody can tell me what to do with them. My parents smoked in the car and it never did me any harm!

/s

namloc1980

When we were small my mother used to smoke with us in the car. It was horrendous but as it was the 80s twas grand like.

osarusan

dslamjack wrote: »

Smoking with kids in the car - Illegal now, garda can fine ye 100 euro's,150 euro's if ye don't pay within the month and 1,000 euro's if ye go to court.
I was wandering does smoking on the way or outside court count?

I hope it gets enforced as much as possible.

Few things piss me off as much as adults smoking in a car with the kids in the back.

Squeeonline

This really is something that should be common sense and good parenting practice. We should not need a law for this.

IMO it is a bit of over-reaching by the state to be micromanaging like this but clearly it's needed.

Don't make me go on a rant about parenting licences!

Omackeral

osarusan wrote: »

I hope it gets enforced as much as possible.

Few things piss me off as much as adults smoking in a car with the kids in the back.

Agreed. It's the only thing that honestly gives me road rage. The sheer selfishness of it. Likely to be done by someone with a ''Princess on Board'' sticker as well. I'd love to actually walk up to them and ask them their thought process and why they think it's at all acceptable.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Great! Spent a lot of my childhood sitting in the back of the car spluttering on smoke, weighing up whether or not to complain seeing as the standard response was to go 'Oh sorry pet' and open the window so I got smoke blown into my face at 60 mph with added rain instead

I mean, it's essentially child endangerment.

AnonoBoy

I remember fondly the days I used to get free second hand smoke at the cinema.

Ah my little heart would light up with joy at the thought of my lungs filling up with smoke while I watched Snow White or Pinocchio.

Those were the days guys.

Captain Chaos

Deleted User wrote: »

I mean, it's essentially child endangerment.

It's basically a form of child abuse. They wouldn't do that in camp Xray to the prisoners.

AnonoBoy

Deleted User wrote: »

I mean, it's essentially child endangerment.

Rubbish!

What next? I'm not allowed let my kids play with knives in the car?

How else am I supposed to keep them entertained on long car journeys?

jester77

Get some of these quickly before they go up in price due to demand.

c_man

What about if the kids are in the boot?

jester77

c_man wrote: »

What about if the kids are in the boot?

If it's sealed so that smoke or air cannot get in then it should be ok.

eviltwin

About time it was made illegal. Selfish ****ing smokers.

Pherekydes

We protect workers with a workplace smoking ban, but not children. Until now.

Good job!

Smoking in the presence of children should be illegal at all times.

Paramite Pie

OP - are you actually complaining about this? Come on... it makes sense.

bodhrandude

What about smoking spliffs in the car, that's only half the tobacco. :pac:

Graces7

Reminds me of a proud young mother I met once. She boasted how she had given up smoking all the time she was pregnant, then lit up and told me she was breastfeeding...knew it was wrong

stimpson

Time for this. Warning - NSFW...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUJ2PGHwYlc

Badly Drunk Boy

But are you allowed to slap your child with an unlit cigarette?

Idbatterim

I would really have to question what kind of scum would smoke around kids, particularly in the car! Probably the same ones who have no problem doing it when they are pregnant!

NIMAN

Totally back the Gov on this, but of course we will have the usual moaning about nanny state and freedom of choice.

If parents are dumb enough to smoke around their kids in a confined space then the kids need legal protection and any fines dished out will be fully deserved.

A_Sober_Paddy

Hopefully they ban smoking in public, nothing worse than having to through smoke while trying to enter a shop

PARlance

Pherekydes wrote: »

We protect workers with a workplace smoking ban, but not children. Until now.

Good job!

Smoking in the presence of children should be illegal at all times.

Those who smoke with kids in their car are likely to smoke in their home. To say that kids are now protected from 2nd hand smoke is a bit ott.

Kev W

PARlance wrote: »

Those who smoke with kids in their car are likely to smoke in their home. To say that kids are now protected from 2nd hand smoke is a bit ott.

It's the best that can be done without banning smoking in the home, which would be a serious overreach, obviously.

Idbatterim

It's the best that can be done without banning smoking in the home, which would be a serious overreach, obviously.

I'm not sure I would call it an overreach, but it wont happen. The car is a practical place to try and stop it, around children...

PARlance

Kev W wrote: »

It's the best that can be done without banning smoking in the home, which would be a serious overreach, obviously.

Why would it be a serious overreach?
While it may not be practical to actively police it, it would certainly send out a strong message to both parents and more importantly kids.

It obviously couldn't be policed actively, but an avenue of reporting could be established.

Kev W

PARlance wrote: »

Why would it be a serious overreach?
While it may not be practical to actively police it, it would certainly send out a strong message to both parents and more importantly kids.

It obviously couldn't be policed actively, but an avenue of reporting could be established.

Telling people what they can do with their bodies is an overreach.

dr.fuzzenstein

osarusan wrote: »

I hope it gets enforced as much as possible.

Few things piss me off as much as adults smoking in a car with the kids in the back.

I think you are being optimistic.
This will be put on top of a huge pile of stuff the Gardai are meant to enforce but don't bother their hole.
Yellow boxes, outside lane hogging, muppets driving everywhere at 60 km/h, red lights (no more than 5-6 cars after red!), roundabout morons, buslane queue skippers to name but a few.
Gards used to stand there with a hairdryer every now and then and other than that do the odd checkpoint (tax, insurance, graaand) and since the advent of the flash4cash van have almost completely packed in the hairdryer bit.
The legislation has already been described as "mostly educational", meaning that even the people who got this made into law know full well the Gardai won't bother their hole with it and there may be 2-3 people done for it a year to show they are doing "something".
I am not against this law, except for the fact that it should be common sense and if you are going to have a law, a bit of enforcement would be nice.

PARlance

Kev W wrote: »

Telling people what they can do with their bodies is an overreach.

There are many things that we can't do with our bodies.

Apart from the means of policing of it, what's the difference between telling someone that they can't smoke in their car vs their house.

dr.fuzzenstein

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

Hopefully they ban smoking in public, nothing worse than having to through smoke while trying to enter a shop

It's statements like that that make me want to take up smoking again. Thank God I did not turn into one of those miserable, sanctimonious, militant anti smokers after I quit. Knowing that the very fact I smoke annoys people like that is almost worth the cancer.

Wibbs

PARlance wrote: »

an avenue of reporting could be established.

Jesus I shuddered a little reading that. This is where totalitarian states get their willing helpers.

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Thank God I did not turn into one of those miserable, sanctimonious, militant anti smokers after I quit. Knowing that the very fact I smoke annoys people like that is almost worth the cancer.

The world is filling up with beige sanctimonious delicate flower killjoys. We need to put down traps. I dunno how these buggers are reproducing. It would likely be asexual mind you. Budding or somesuch.

PARlance

Wibbs wrote: »

Jesus I shuddered a little reading that. This is where totalitarian states get their willing helpers.

I'm trying to tease out why people think it's ok to ban smoking in a car but think banning it in the home is a step too far. Both are private areas and the only difference is in policing. If they really wanted to tackle the issue then they would and could have included the home.

Personally, I think people should be left to their devices but that's beside the point.

dslamjack

My auld gran smoked bob marleys n played smoke on water and all along the watch tower droppin us to schoool,no wonder the brothers beat us silly, coul't hear them and were in a smoke inducered coma, dem were the days

mcmoustache

PARlance wrote: »

I'm trying to tease out why people think it's ok to ban smoking in a car but think banning it in the home is a step too far. Both are private areas and the only difference is in policing. If they really wanted to tackle the issue then they would and could have included the home.

Nope. The home has certain constitutional protections while there is no expectation of privacy driving your car in a public place.

Varik

mcmoustache wrote: »

Nope. The home has certain constitutional protections while there is no expectation of privacy driving your car in a public place.

If they were going to ban people from smoking in their homes at that point they may as well just ban them outright.

dslamjack

errr - does this ban cover electronic highs,I mean e smokes?

haveringchick

My pathologically selfish sister in law smoked all over my spineless brother and my poor little nephew for 18 years both in the home and in the car. In fact she continues to do so
And she's a former nurse and she knew bloody well the cow
I'm so sorry now I didn't say something but it wouldn't have made any difference
I didn't want to start a family row

SEPT 23 1989

no room for curtain twitching state informers for this one

guards have to catch someone in the act of slowly poisoning their children

PARlance

mcmoustache wrote: »

Nope. The home has certain constitutional protections while there is no expectation of privacy driving your car in a public place.

Are they not saying that this is a child welfare issue? Should that no override any constitutional right to privacy in the home? As is the case with other child welfare issues.

Rubberchikken

smoking is absolutely disgusting anyway. imho

bad enough that smokers damage their own health. even worse when they inflict it and their disgusting litter on everyone so no harm if they are fined.
just up to the gardai now. *sigh*

mcmoustache

PARlance wrote: »

Are they not saying that this is a child welfare issue? Should that no override any constitutional right to privacy in the home? As is the case with other child welfare issues.

They are saying that this is a child welfare issue and I'd agree with that.

However, just because someone can shout "Won't somebody think of the children", it doesn't mean that you can just violate constitutional protections. Legislation is struck down all the time if it is challenged and found to be unconstitutional.

Which "other child welfare issues" are you aware of that supersede constitutional protections?

The legal system is more complex than simply "Do whatever because children".