No interest in amateur boxing?

DONNELLON

It's hard to take a forum in Boards.ie serious on boxing, when the posters show absolutely no interest in the National Senior championships.

Dozen Wicked Words

Why don't you constructively post about it, and maybe someone will reply. Slagging off potential respondents seems a strange way to drum up interest.

I'll start, broadly discussing amateur boxing, in the test event in Brazil, a girl from my home town won a gold medal. Chantelle Cameron, would almost be a great shout for a medal at the Olympics, almost because she happens to be in the same weight category as a certain Ms. K Taylor.

crazy8

Two separate questions.

1) Is the IABA or RTE (or even AIBA!) doing anything so that it can be watched online? Is there a youtube stream? Particularly for those abroad like myself.

2) I see that not all of the top boxers are in this tournament. What is the IABA system for ranking boxers to decide who will go to which tournaments (mainly Olympic qualifiers). Is the decision made by a selection board? If you win the Irish title I would assume that you would at least qualify for a box-off for the no.1 spot against the other top boxers not competing in the championships(?).

Gaygooner

TG4 have the right afaik

Gaygooner

http://www.tg4.ie/ga/sports/dornalaiocht-beo/

Gaygooner

I think the only boxers not taking part have qualified

Gaygooner

I was away and will be again

crazy8

Go raibh mile maith agat!

Kristopherus

Gaygooner wrote: »

TG4 have the right afaik

Correct. Its on live on Friday night 7.30pm to 11.15pm.

Gaygooner

2016 was moved forward to allow boxers to qualify for Rio 16

Gaygooner

TG4 show ALL the fights too

crazy8

Can't wait now! It looks like it'll still stream/work from outside of Ireland. Has anyone tried?

Gaygooner

No. Can't see any reason it would be geoblocked tbf

price690

Adam Nolan still seems to fancy his chances.

Would he be granted a box off though with Donnelly, should Nolan qualify at one of the qualifiers?

I'd actually like to see Donnelly progress

Gaygooner

price690 wrote: »

Adam Nolan still seems to fancy his chances.

Would he be granted a box off though with Donnelly, should Nolan qualify at one of the qualifiers?

I'd actually like to see Donnelly progress

There can be only one fighter per country per weight division do if Nolan qualified the IABA would have to do something...

price690

Gaygooner wrote: »

There can be only one fighter per country per weight division do if Nolan qualified the IABA would have to do something...

Nolan is a strange one, on his day he can beat a world champion and then the following day he can be beaten by a rank outsider.

Donnelly has more potential I feel.

Would love to see David Oliver Joyce and Ray Moylette progress this weekend. David Oliver Joyce would make an excellent pro fighter.

Dodge

price690 wrote: »

Adam Nolan still seems to fancy his chances.

Would he be granted a box off though with Donnelly, should Nolan qualify at one of the qualifiers?

Yes, came up recently enough with Irvine at the worlds at 49kg with Barnes already qualified. Great to see Irvine giving 52kg a go now instead

Interesting to see how Moylette gets on. No doubt he's super talented

J0E_90

Gaygooner wrote: »

There can be only one fighter per country per weight division do if Nolan qualified the IABA would have to do something...

Donnelly is already 100% confirmed and qualified, Nolan would have to move up or down to have a chance

J0E_90

Dodge wrote: »

Yes, came up recently enough with Irvine at the worlds at 49kg with Barnes already qualified. Great to see Irvine giving 52kg a go now instead

Interesting to see how Moylette gets on. No doubt he's super talented

Situation with Donnelly and Nolan is slightly different. There are 2 'phases' of qualification, the first ended last week and Donnelly was confirmed, as far as I know it was a 'use it or lose it' situation.

All the countries of the now-confirmed boxers cant send another boxer to the Olympic qualifiers at the same weight as that is the second phase so to speak.

With Irvine and Barnes it was two boxers using different channels in the first phase, hence why Irvine has moved up to 52kg now because he wont be able to go to the Olympic qualifiers at 49kg.

A situation could, most likely at 60kg, reoccur in this phase if McComb qualifies through Olympic qualifiers (3x3) and David Oliver Joyce qualifies through the one-off APB/WSB crossover qualifying event in Sofia in May.

Andre 3000

DONNELLON wrote: »

It's hard to take a forum in Boards.ie serious on boxing, when the posters show absolutely no interest in the National Senior championships.

Hard to take a guy with less than 10 posts in 8 years serious either.

Dodge

Spot on Joe 90

List of qualifiers released today. These can't be passed by their own country men

http://aiba.s3.amazonaws.com/2015/12/Rio-2016-Olympic-Games-Qualified-boxers.pdf

price690

Dodge wrote: »

Spot on Joe 90

List of qualifiers released today. These can't be passed by their own country men

http://aiba.s3.amazonaws.com/2015/12/Rio-2016-Olympic-Games-Qualified-boxers.pdf

Nice representation there for Ireland.

I may have read if wrong but Team GB have no qualifiers yet??

And only one American? thats pretty indicative of their standing these days though in fairness.

Dodge

Yeah, GB had 4 lads through to the World QFs but only one medalist and that was at super heavy. I'd still expect loads of US boxers to qualify through the continental qualifiers (particularly as Cuba have 7/8 in already)

Only Cuba and Russia has more than Ireland at this stage

Ash.J.Williams

Andre 3000 wrote: »

Hard to take a guy with less than 10 posts in 8 years serious either.

He's said his bit and vanished

price690

J0E_90 wrote: »

Situation with Donnelly and Nolan is slightly different. There are 2 'phases' of qualification, the first ended last week and Donnelly was confirmed, as far as I know it was a 'use it or lose it' situation.

All the countries of the now-confirmed boxers cant send another boxer to the Olympic qualifiers at the same weight as that is the second phase so to speak.

With Irvine and Barnes it was two boxers using different channels in the first phase, hence why Irvine has moved up to 52kg now because he wont be able to go to the Olympic qualifiers at 49kg.

A situation could, most likely at 60kg, reoccur in this phase if McComb qualifies through Olympic qualifiers (3x3) and David Oliver Joyce qualifies through the one-off APB/WSB crossover qualifying event in Sofia in May.

Adam Nolan is quoted tonight as saying if he's beaten he can forget about the Olympic qualifier in Istanbul.

Going by your criteria above is it not all over for him already? Regardless of how he does at weekend

DONNELLON

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

He's said his bit and vanished

Well I got a response. A shot at tomorrow night's winners;
McKenna
Irvine
Walker
DOJ
Moylette
Nolan
O'Reilly
Blaney
O'Neill
Gardiner.
Obviously Walsh and McComb are favourites and can win. Very impressed with Irvine so far but McComb has struggled for form, his two fights might sharpen him up. Very interesting night in store.
PS I used to look in here occasionally but one obnoxious know-it-all poster who really was a keyboard fan annoyed me too much, so I shied away.

ah,sure

DOJ-McComb and Moylette-Walsh are difficult to call eh?

I haven't got to many of the fights, saw the prelims at 64 and was impressed by DOJ's win over Cully, the perfect preparation (a 6ft+ southpaw) for a go at McComb. Plus I felt he rightfully won when they last met. McComb is possibly fatigued by now as well - it's been a long year for him. And yet... and yet. I have a sneaking suspicion McComb will do enough.

I've seen more of Walsh recently and think he may do enough to edge Moylette, although when they met earlier this year I felt the judges got it wrong to award Walsh the decision. Will he put it right this time? Not lumping on anything this year. Shame as last year there were killings to be made.

DONNELLON

ah,sure wrote: »

DOJ-McComb and Moylette-Walsh are difficult to call eh?

I haven't got to many of the fights, saw the prelims at 64 and was impressed by DOJ's win over Cully, the perfect preparation (a 6ft+ southpaw) for a go at McComb. Plus I felt he rightfully won when they last met. McComb is possibly fatigued by now as well - it's been a long year for him. And yet... and yet. I have a sneaking suspicion McComb will do enough.

I've seen more of Walsh recently and think he may do enough to edge Moylette, although when they met earlier this year I felt the judges got it wrong to award Walsh the decision. Will he put it right this time? Not lumping on anything this year. Shame as last year there were killings to be made.

The Moylette-DOJ double opened at good odds but you needed to be brave(or foolish!)

ah,sure

I'd fear the heart ruling the head on that double and that's no way to make money! Difficult to see either man continue to campaign seriously for much longer if they fail to get to Rio, albeit Moylette is the younger man, so it'd be good for two servants to reach the holy grail. From what I know neither man is likely to go pro. Shame as DOJ might have the style and Moylette the following...

price690

ah,sure wrote: »

I'd fear the heart ruling the head on that double and that's no way to make money! Difficult to see either man continue to campaign seriously for much longer if they fail to get to Rio, albeit Moylette is the younger man, so it'd be good for two servants to reach the holy grail. From what I know neither man is likely to go pro. Shame as DOJ might have the style and Moylette the following...

I'm amazaed DOJ never went pro, he would be excellent

J0E_90

price690 wrote: »

Adam Nolan is quoted tonight as saying if he's beaten he can forget about the Olympic qualifier in Istanbul.

Going by your criteria above is it not all over for him already? Regardless of how he does at weekend

You sure that wasn't O'Neill who said that? Saw something like that on RTE website

Danye

Quick question lads,

IF, IF, O'Reilly beats O'Neill does O'Reilly become part of the high performance team and O'Neill get dropped?

Likewise, whoever wins the 52kg bout. What can they do?

e92335i

Moylette robbed. Won rounds 1 & 2 hands down.

Henno30

Thought Moylette won it. Very good fight though.

supersean1999

Ya thought he would it. A lot of Walsh's shots were blocked.

e92335i

O'Neill winning the first 2. Just not a natural heavy though

Gaygooner

O'Neill wins that easily for me! Hello from Oslo btw!

Danye

e92335i wrote: »

O'Neill winning the first 2. Just not a natural heavy though

What did he weigh in at? Looks as if he's struggling to stay at 91kg.

Gaygooner

R1 to Nolan for power punches

Gaygooner

Stokes taking some punishment

Gaygooner

Stokes wants out

Gaygooner

Comprehensive for Nolan

e92335i

Danye wrote: »

What did he weigh in at? Looks as if he's struggling to stay at 91kg.

Around 88/89kg.

price690

e92335i wrote: »

Around 88/89kg.

Gutted for Moylette. He has been on the end of bad decisions before.

How did Joyce v McComb go?

DONNELLON

Joyce

e92335i

price690 wrote: »

Gutted for Moylette. He has been on the end of bad decisions before.

How did Joyce v McComb go?

Joyce won round 2 and 3. Fair decision imo.

e92335i

Very good super heavy final there. Carty looks a great prospect.

Have to say a great night of fights. Best all round set of elite finals in years.

ah,sure

Sixth senior titles for Joyce and O'Neill. Can't help but feel Irish titles have been devalued over the years though by the encroachment of the APB/WSB tournaments. On Friday we had the sad situation of looking at Barnes, Conlan and Ward all sitting ringside and a Stadium barely 2/3s full. Remember for Ward-Egan II there were people turned away from the door and every piece of standing room was snapped up.

Dodge

The only people missing were the 4 Olympic qualifiers. Seeing as the nationals were moved to help lads qualify, I don't see any issue or devaluation at all

There were still world medalists, multiple European medalists (including champions) and youngsters looking to come in and make a name for themselves

ah,sure

But in the 2015 Championships Barnes, Conlan and Ward sat it out as well. It's a harder sell when the finest amateur boxers in Ireland aren't involved and don't need champion status any more. Still enjoyed the night immensely like, always do, but recognise a keener edge to the finals of 09, 10, 11, etc than now.

megadodge

ah,sure wrote: »

But in the 2015 Championships Barnes, Conlan and Ward sat it out as well. It's a harder sell when the finest amateur boxers in Ireland aren't involved and don't need champion status any more. Still enjoyed the night immensely like, always do, but recognise a keener edge to the finals of 09, 10, 11, etc than now.

I understand where you're coming from, as I haven't gone myself for the last two years after at least twelve in a row, but you still have to realise that unlike pro shows or almost any other sport in Ireland, in the Irish finals you get to see genuine world class performers in virtually every weight. And most fights are well-matched meaning good action and often hard-to-call results. Serious value for money.