Is acceptance of ‘transgenerationalists’ going a bit too far?

InitiumNovum

Recently, I’ve coming across the term ‘transgenerationalist’. The definition according to the following is:

“A Transgenerationalist is one who crosses generational boundaries, such as an adult who assumes the role of an infant or child. Many, but certainly not all transgenerationalists assume the alternate gender role as well.”

http://www.geekbabe.com/dlv/mydlv/wiki/index.php/Transgenerationalist

Here’s an example of a transgenerationalist:

(Skip to 3:37)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbiAHnjHlHg

(This thread is not directed against transgender people)

drunkmonkey

Adult male in a skirt, who believes there a little girl. Need to be commited not accepted, want to feel like a child go get some duplo.

hatrickpatrick

If you're into kinky BDSM, you'll probably have come across the infantilization fetish. For anyone who isn't, I sh!t you not - it's a fetish in which people like being dressed in nappies and treated like babies by members of whichever gender(s) they are attracted to.

Takes all sorts. I have no problem with it myself, but I have no qualms about openly saying that I don't understand it and find it pretty weird. That's ok though, just because people find something weird it's not necessarily a bad thing as long as they're tolerant of it. I don't like scat either, but if someone else gets a horn from looking at a perfectly formed spiral shaped beige turd then who am I to question them? All I ask is that they flush when they're finished.

ceadaoin.

I read about this the other day and felt quite disturbed after reading it. He obviously has some weird sexual fetish bordering on paedophilia. He sees 6 year olds in a sexual manner

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Adult male in a skirt, who believes there a little girl. Need to be commited not accepted, want to feel like a child go get some duplo.

A consenting adult doing no harm to anyone else suddenly now "needs to be commited"..?

As to the opening quesion regarding should it be "accepted" - who gives you the right to say what should or shouldn't be accepted?

InitiumNovum

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

If you’re into kinky BDSM, you’ll probably have come across the infantilization fetish. For anyone who isn’t, I sh!t you not - it’s a fetish in which people like being dressed in nappies and treated like babies by members of whichever gender(s) they are attracted to.

Takes all sorts. I have no problem with it myself, but I have no qualms about openly saying that I don’t understand it and find it pretty weird. That’s ok though, just because people find something weird it’s not necessarily a bad thing as long as they’re tolerant of it. I don’t like scat either, but if someone else gets a horn from looking at a perfectly formed spiral shaped beige turd then who am I to question them? All I ask is that they flush when they’re finished.

I think that ‘transgenerationalism’ is a bit more than simply a fetish, a bit like the way ‘transgender’ is more than a simply ‘cross-dressing’ fetish. It’s a lot more, it affects all aspects of one’s daily life. That’s why I bring it up, it’s not as simply as you put it. For example, in the video I linked in the OP, the person lived with a family and assumed the role of their ‘little girl’, this family had their own real young child who called the 40-something y/o ‘little girl’ her ‘younger sister’. The issue I find with this is the real young child’s safety.

Copa Mundial

I don't think it's acceptable. You can't possibly justify allowing a middle aged man to act and be treated as a 6 year old girl.

When did having a fair job and a pint or two at the weekend go out of fashion?

ceadaoin.

InitiumNovum wrote: »

I think that ‘transgenerationalism’ is a bit more than simply a fetish, a bit like the way ‘transgender’ is more than a simply ‘cross-dressing’ fetish. It’s a lot more, it affects all aspects of one’s daily life. That’s why I bring it up, it’s not as simply as you put it. For example, in the video I linked in the OP, the person lived with a family and assumed the role of their ‘little girl’, this family had their own real young child who called the 40-something y/o ‘little girl’ her ‘younger sister’. The issue I find with this is the real young child’s safety.

I didn't watch the video but there was a bit in the article where he described his 6 year old self having sex with his 'adopted dad'. Certainly sounds like a fetish. I would be concerned for the child's safety tbh

Grayditch

I considered myself pretty liberal, but I find, and always have found people acting like children unnerving.

drunkmonkey

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

A consenting adult doing no harm to anyone else suddenly now "needs to be commited"..?

As to the opening quesion regarding should it be "accepted" - who gives you the right to say what should or shouldn't be accepted?

Being the uncle of a 6 year old girl gives me a bit of a say. They have serious mental health issues, and that behaviour if it's any way related to children should not be accepted by society.
Get professional help and stay well away from children.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Being the uncle of a 6 year old girl gives me a bit of a say. They have serious mental health issues, and that behaviour if it's any way related to children should not be accepted by society.
Get professional help and stay well away from children.

If there were real children involved, I'd agree with you, but, as I said in my post, "any consenting adult".

Infantilism is nothing new - nor is it anything particualrly unusual.

InitiumNovum

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Sorry, I must have missed the bit where he mixed with real children, can you point that reference out to me?

As I said in my post, “any consenting adult”.

He says he mixed with real children in the video I linked in the OP, skip to 3:37 and watch from there. Surely, this is a red flag.

DEFTLEFTHAND

I think these 'adoptive parents' are only enabling a mentally ill person, surely theres psychiatric treatment available to people like this?

Also if true, I don't like the sounds of the top rated comment on the youtube video in the OP.

NachoBusiness

Grayditch wrote: »

I considered myself pretty liberal, but I find, and always have found people acting like children unnerving.

And yet here you are on After Hours.

InitiumNovum

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Also if true, I don’t like the sounds of the top rated comment on the youtube video in the OP.

This comment had 87 upvotes:

The wrong side won WW2.

Keplar240B

The discrimination against transgenerationalist people is the civil rights issue of this generation, shame on the transgenerationaliphobes ,
None of us are free until all of us are free.

DEFTLEFTHAND

InitiumNovum wrote: »

This comment had 87 upvotes:

No, the comment stating this person's alleged criminal history.

[URL="in 2009 he was charged with 14 criminal offenses of assault, uttering threats, criminal harassment, and criminal mischief. His wife and their two oldest children- then in their late teens- testified against him. He was found guilty of assault and uttering threats. The court also issued a two-year restraining order against him that applied to his wife and all seven of his children. He and his wife divorced.
Reply · 106"]in 2009 he was charged with 14 criminal offenses of assault, uttering threats, criminal harassment, and criminal mischief. His wife and their two oldest children- then in their late teens- testified against him. He was found guilty of assault and uttering threats. The court also issued a two-year restraining order against him that applied to his wife and all seven of his children. He and his wife divorced.
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topmanamillion

This is clearly a step too far. There are laws against paedophilia and this is certainly testing the boundaries as there's a sexual component to it.
There's also the fact it impinges on his ability to lead a full life as he has regressed to the age of a six year old girl.
The difference between this and being transexual, transvestite or gay is all of those involve only consenting adults.
As has been suggested this is a mental illness,most likely psychosis.

jamesbere

I think this guy has a few mental health issues, wanting to be a woman is fine in my eyes but a 6 year old child, that's a bit disturbing.

Paddy Cow

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

If you're into kinky BDSM, you'll probably have come across the infantilization fetish. For anyone who isn't, I sh!t you not - it's a fetish in which people like being dressed in nappies and treated like babies by members of whichever gender(s) they are attracted to.

There was an episode about it in CSI. Some rich dude had a private nursery where he only wore a nappy and nurses bottle fed him and changed his nappies. It was weird as hell.

fizzypish

You can't choose to be your sexual orientation so similarly maybe this person can't choose to a 6 yr old. The difference for me is that if person X decides they are Y (trans gendered, gay, whatever), it really doesn't effect (affect... I can never tell) me. By accepting it I make their lives easier but thats the end of the issue. This man child on the other hand probably requires minding so if I'm related or a friend of the family it effects me or possibly gets some disability payment so it effects me from a tax POV or if I had kids and lived next door maybe this man would want to play with my kids. I try to look at these things from a selfish POV. How does it effect me?

valoren

What does acceptance mean here exactly?

Is it a conversation like the following.

*Friday evening at work*

"Any plans for the weekend Bob?"

"Yeah, going to visit the in laws and watch the match Sunday. Same old same. You?"

"Yeah, planning to take a sh1t in my nappy tommorrow morning and have the wife change me then give me my bottle feed every 4 hours"

"Ok, see you next week"

Tordelback

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Adult male in a skirt, who believes there a little girl. Need to be commited not accepted, want to feel like a child go get some duplo.

Middle aged fatty in a professional football top, want to feel like an athlete go play with a ball.

Live and let live, just because you don't understand it doesn't mean you get to dismiss it.

ThinkProgress

It's just a more extreme example on the spectrum of mental disorders.

I feel sorry for the guy. And I also feel for the family that his disorder probably ruined.

As with most US tv productions, they have an agenda they're desperately trying to spin... So I wouldn't put too much credence in the fluffy feel good atmosphere they've created here.

It's a clever rouse to create controversy!

To get a real picture of this man, you need to see him everyday... With no cameras or clever TV spin merchants!

They are simultaneously trying to both shock and beat their viewers with their big liberal stick by sugar coating and trivialising a very serious mental issue and shamelessly exploiting a troubled man to do so!

JustShon

Only problem with it is that there's a real child involved.

If this was just an adult behaving like the child of two other consenting adults without any actual children involved I'd be a bit weirded out by it but wouldn't have a problem with it.

_Kaiser_

The guy has a mental disorder that should be treated, not enabled by "accepting" him.

StewartGriffin

So is this transgenerationalism thing just about this one guy or is it a real up and coming thing?

I need to know because I'm in charge of lighting the beacons for the social justice warriors today.

The Backwards Man

I think it's weird, and attempting to legitimise it is even weirder.

It's one thing for a six year old to dress up like his Granda, or someone to dress up like Annie Oakley, that's transgenerationalism.

A fully capable adult self identifying as a small child is a sickness, and highlights deep underlying problems in my opinion.

steddyeddy

My thinking is that we've gone too far with assigning labels to people. It seems like nowadays every slightly different personality earns someone a label.

c montgomery

Freak!!!!

I wound not want him anywhere near me or my family.

Omackeral

steddyeddy wrote: »

My thinking is that we've gone too far with assigning labels to people. It seems like nowadays every slightly different personality earns someone a label.

As a cis man, I disagree.

c montgomery

steddyeddy wrote: »

My thinking is that we've gone too far with assigning labels to people. It seems like nowadays every slightly different personality earns someone a label.

Your clearly one of those labelaphobes

_Kaiser_

steddyeddy wrote: »

My thinking is that we've gone too far with assigning labels to people. It seems like nowadays every slightly different personality earns someone a label.

The issue is more that we've gotten to the point where some think that every sort of "different" behaviour should be validated (and indeed celebrated) as legitimate, rather than a potential illness as in the case of the subject of the OP.

InitiumNovum

valoren wrote: »

What does acceptance mean here exactly?

Is it a conversation like the following.

*Friday evening at work*

“Any plans for the weekend Bob?”

“Yeah, going to visit the in laws and watch the match Sunday. Same old same. You?”

“Yeah, planning to take a sh1t in my nappy tommorrow morning and have the wife change me then give me my bottle feed every 4 hours”

“Ok, see you next week”

Acceptance as in the same way [most of] society accepts (or at least there is no real reason not to accept) lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people. Ought this “transgenerational” lark be on the same level as the aforementioned.

MRnotlob606

I'd love to cross income boundaries so that I can be poor then rich.

silverharp

I'm thinking of identifying as transhistorical, I see myself as an 18th century nobleman , I'm off to the council now to arrange some culturally appropriate accommodation.

strelok

silverharp wrote: »

I'm thinking of identifying as transhistorical, I see myself as an 18th century nobleman , I'm off to the council now to arrange some culturally appropriate accommodation.

https://www.reddit.com/r/lewronggeneration/

you're not alone

Kev W

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The issue is more that we've gotten to the point where some think that every sort of "different" behaviour should be validated (and indeed celebrated) as legitimate, rather than a potential illness as in the case of the subject of the OP.

Can you name or link to any of these people who claim that there's no such thing as mental illness? Or to any evidence that their claims have gained traction?

hairycakes

Totally agree with _Kaiser_, surely there must be a point where a person's behaviour signals a mental health issue. And the recent trend in people validating every label that's assigned is a bit worrying. It feels like some people are more worried about appearing open minded, accepting and liberal than questioning is there something more behind how this person is feeling.

Don't get me wrong, it's great to be open minded and accepting but not if it's facilitating a mental illness. A few people have said well it's not hurting anyone. But what if it is hurting him and stunting his potential. He wants to regress to a child, that can't be good for him. It would be more positive for him have someone help him deal with his issues which is causing this than to validate his desire to be thought of and treated like a child.

Irishcrx

Tordelback wrote: »

Middle aged fatty in a professional football top, want to feel like an athlete go play with a ball.

Live and let live, just because you don't understand it doesn't mean you get to dismiss it.

Stupid comment , there is a huge differance in a lad of any age , or size putting on a jersey to play 5 a side during the evening and a middle aged man , dressing up and acting like a 6 year old girl.

Come on now.

whatdoicare

Grown man wanting to revert to child on his own or with consenting adults = grand, work away.


Grown man wanting to include young children in his fantasy = nope, not to be allowed. Ever. Stupid grandparents for allowing this nonsense into their home and putting their grandkids at risk. I would assume, or at least hope, they are being investigated after the show was aired as to exactly how much access this man has to children that aren't related to him in any way.

Its got the whole Michael Jackson creepy factor about it.

Wibbs

Irishcrx wrote: »

Stupid comment , there is a huge differance in a lad of any age , or size putting on a jersey to play 5 a side during the evening and a middle aged man , dressing up and acting like a 6 year old girl.

Come on now.

Ah now you can't be saying that these days IC, you reactionary you. Sure isn't everyone of every stripe no matter how bloody oddball a special snowflake now?

Look, as far as I'm concerned the world has its fair share of loons and freaks and deviants and so long as they hang around with the like minded and don't affect the vulnerable, kids, me and don't impact wider society in a negative way I say work away. Whatever floats your boat. But save me the "sensitivity labelling".

c_man

Is acceptance of ‘transgenerationalists’ going a bit too far?

Well there's got to be a cut-off. We can't have people identifying as a foetus and wanting to be implanted into a woman's womb. Or maybe we can...

Howard Roark

These are exactly the type of conversations we're going to be having when the mullahs get their hands on the bomb. We've been successfully distracted.

padd b1975

It's only a matter of time before one of these perverted freaks decide they want to marry a toddler, it's a racing certainty as far as I'm concerned.

Penn

padd b1975 wrote: »

It's only a matter of time before one of these perverted freaks decide they want to marry a toddler, it's a racing certainty as far as I'm concerned.

Anyone, right now, can decide they want to marry a toddler.

They won't be allowed to, and will never be allowed to, for reasons that should be more than obvious.

This is idiotic and just plain creepy.

padd b1975

Penn wrote: »

Anyone, right now, can decide they want to marry a toddler.

They won't be allowed to, and will never be allowed to, for reasons that should be more than obvious.

Hopefully you're right in the long term.

Although the fact that this type of depravity is being discussed outside the privacy of the bedroom tells me we are in the early stages of normalisation.

El Guapo!

This planet gets worse by the day.

In 100 years when people look back, we'll be known as the generation that went full retard.

Azalea

padd b1975 wrote: »

Hopefully you're right in the long term.

Although the fact that this type of depravity is being discussed outside the privacy of the bedroom tells me we are in the early stages of normalisation.

Adult relationships with children won't be legalised. Come on now.

I think this kink is very messed up, but no need for pretending it might lead to violation of children being legalised. Recognition of e.g. trans people by the constitution is fine - no children are being harmed.

strelok

Azalea wrote: »

Adult relationships with children won't be legalised. Come on now.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26352378

all it takes is one generation to lose their collective minds, nothing is beyond us.