Would you say Dubliners are of a Gaelic heritage?

DanielODonnell

It has always been questionable due to the history of Dublin but the modern media paint Dublin as the Gaelic stronghold of Ireland, possibly it has turned more Gaelic over the past couple of centuries due to rural Gaels moving in.

testaccount123

Id say Dubliners are of a Dublin heritage

MagicIRL

This will end well.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

DanielODonnell wrote: »

It has always been questionable due to the history of Dublin but the modern media paint Dublin as the Gaelic stronghold of Ireland, possibly it has turned more Gaelic over the past couple of centuries due to rural Gaels moving in.

Unless, for some reason, Gaels only settled in the other 31 counties, then no.

In what way, though, has it "been questionable due to the history of Dublin"? Any specific examples?

I'd argue it's more multi-cultrual, but that's more because people moving to other countries tend to settle in the bigger cities first becuase it;s easier to get jobs and acclimatise.

Ficheall

DanielODonnell wrote: »

the modern media paint Dublin as the Gaelic stronghold of Ireland

Do they?

PopePalpatine

Something something West Brits. :rolleyes:

seamus

Who gives an actual fnck?

Remind me of a bizarre conversation I had with someone about Dublin GAA, They were utterly convinced that the gaa in Dublin only did so well because of people from the country moving to Dublin, because there couldn't be an innate gaa culture in the dubs.

Skylinehead

DanielODonnell wrote: »

the modern media paint Dublin as the Gaelic stronghold of Ireland

[citation needed]

The Backwards Man

My granny used to say about Daniel, grand enough singer until he opens his mouth.

She couldn't stand listening to his accent, I mean

ClovenHoof

Norse Vikings. The people of Galway and Cork city are genetically as English as Finchley.

Patser

We won the Gaelic Football All Ireland championship fair and square (and the league)

Deal with it.

Mesrine65

suicide_circus

Slightly off topic but the celts were for the most part originally from what is now Austria, Bavaria, Czech Republic and Switzerland. Just remember that heritage and birthrights are claimed and twisted throughout history to fit agaendas.

The_Valeyard

Its well known that Dubliners are from the heritage of Mordor.



Seriously though, we have been conquered and invaded so often, were all a little bit of mixed heritage.

gramar

I'd say the Dubliners were more into music and boozing.

biko

Dublin and its suburbs are reported to be the site of the largest number of daily Irish speakers, with 14,229 persons speaking Irish daily, representing 18 per cent of all daily speakers.
In a survey of a small sample of adults who had grown up in Dublin and had completed full-time education, 54% of respondents reported some fluency in Irish, ranging from being able to make small talk to complete fluency.
Only 19% of speakers spoke Irish three or more times per week, with a plurality (43%) speaking Irish less than once a fortnight.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaeltacht#Dublin

The Backwards Man

biko wrote: »

How can it be a stronghold when it's nigh impossible to find someone who speaks even a coupla focal and there are no gaeltachts in the pale?

Is there not one in Meath?

biko

I revised my post after a visit to Wikipedia.
I've yet to meet any of these alleged speakers though.

The Backwards Man

biko wrote: »

I revised my post after a visit to Wikipedia.

I'm keeping mine up to make me look intelligent

LordSutch

DanielODonnell wrote: »

Would you say Dubliners are of a Gaelic heritage?

No...more like Anglo-Norse/Viking heritage (depending on how far back you go).

kettlehead

mariaalice wrote: »

Remind me of a bizarre conversation I had with someone about Dublin GAA, They were utterly convinced that the gaa in Dublin only did so well because of people from the country moving to Dublin, because there couldn't be an innate gaa culture in the dubs.

Not entirely untrue. Huge numbers of country folk are involved in Dublin GAA clubs throughout the city. It's not unusual to see kids turn up for training sporting a Tipp, Donegal or Wexford Jersey for training as their parents and grandparents are from there.

Go through the Dublin team and nearly all of them have a country parent(s). Sure even the Brogans ma is from Kerry! It definitely helps.

goose2005

Over the last 200 years or so there has been constant migration from rural Ireland to Dublin. Most "skangers" etc. are only 1 or 2 generations removed from tiny shacks in Laois or Kerry.

kettlehead

kettlehead wrote: »

Not entirely untrue. Huge numbers of country folk are involved in Dublin GAA clubs throughout the city. It's not unusual to see kids turn up for training sporting a Tipp, Donegal or Wexford Jersey for training as their parents and grandparents are from there.

Go through the Dublin team and nearly all of them have a country parent(s). Sure even the Brogans ma is from Kerry! It definitely helps.

I will defer to you better knowledge, but there is definitely an innate gaa culture in Dublin especially on the north side

I have seen shops and pubs with their names in Irish in Drumcondra if I am not mistaken.

Your Face

Is this what people think about?
Get a hobby.

c_man

Would you say Dubliners are of a Gaelic heritage?

Yes. Yes, I would.

This sort of thread usually has something about all the dubs in the British army and how the ordinary dubs didn't support the rising as proof that the dubs aren't like the rest of Ireland.

There is definitely the dubs are not like the rest of us vibe in Irish society. It is peculiar.

darkpagandeath

This is all well and good but, the People that populated Ireland came from the Portugal/Spain area and not Celtic Europe. Red hair is generally Nordic just like in Scotland. A small Celtic outpost was all that was in Ireland no invasion or genocide. Also the language was a trading language made people about as Roman as speaking Latin.

LordSutch

darkpagandeath wrote: »

This is all well and good but, the People that populated Ireland came from the Portugal/Spain area and not Celtic Europe. Red hair is generally Nordic just like in Scotland. A small Celtic outpost was all that was in Ireland no invasion or genocide. Also the language was a trading language made people about as Roman as speaking Latin.

So we're half Portuguese/half Spanish :cool:

But how did we get here then? and did we come via Britain?

I always thought Dubliners were of Anglo/Norse stock (within the Pale).

SEPT 23 1989

mariaalice wrote: »

I will defer to you better knowledge, but there is definitely an innate gaa culture in Dublin especially on the north side

I have seen shops and pubs with their names in Irish in Drumcondra if I am not mistaken.

no true blue dub has anything to do with it

our game is football

seamus

kettlehead wrote: »

Not entirely untrue. Huge numbers of country folk are involved in Dublin GAA clubs throughout the city. It's not unusual to see kids turn up for training sporting a Tipp, Donegal or Wexford Jersey for training as their parents and grandparents are from there.

Go through the Dublin team and nearly all of them have a country parent(s). Sure even the Brogans ma is from Kerry! It definitely helps.

Same can be said for practically all counties tbh. Because we're a small country, we're pretty fluid in where we live and who we mix with.

Talk to any Irish person and it's rare you'll find that they have more than than 2 generations of "purity" from the one county.

Mahogany Gaspipe

I always find it bizarre that people think that Irish Catholic=Gael.
Anglo-Norman, Cambro-Norman and Viking heritage is prevalent in so many Irish family lines.

The forebears of many surnames that people assume to be true Irish/Gaelic only arrived here in the relatively recent 800 years or so.

Also I think that Basque/Irish genetic tie was over exaggerated and has since been demoted.

Canadel

seamus wrote: »

Who gives an actual fnck?

My thoughts exactly.

c_man

seamus wrote: »

Talk to any Irish person and it's rare you'll find that they have more than than 2 generations of "purity" from the one county.

*puts hand up* Fair play to my ancestors on the Galway Mayo boarder, they knew to leave well enough alone.

darkpagandeath

LordSutch wrote: »

So we're half Portuguese/half Spanish :cool:

But how did we get here then? and did we come via Britain?

I always thought Dubliners were of Anglo/Norse stock (within the Pale).

Land bridges from insert phrase people do not like (UK). People of another none liked phrase (British isles) originally were pretty similar and were not from Celtic Europe. The UK suffered from more of an influence via invasion and alike. Original Irish people were more akin to there original UK equivalent if one removes the revisionist history. The UK diverged greater to original Irish people due to Roman and Saxon invasions. Ireland and UK both suffered Nordic invasions though.

RedemptionZ

In the grand scheme of things we're a tiny country and not diverse at all ethnically or culturally due to our size and not being a traditional destination for immigrants. Dublin is the only 'big' city in the island. People who live in a city tend to live a different lifestyle to people who live in more rural areas. This is not a uniquely Irish phenomenon.

There aren't many people on the island capable of speaking Irish to a fluent level, the county with the largest of these is Dublin, though I don't see how that's a surprise to anyone due to the amount of gaelscoils and immigration from gaeltachts around the country.

masti123

biko wrote: »

I revised my post after a visit to Wikipedia.
I've yet to meet any of these alleged speakers though.

There quite a lot of Irish speakers in the Clondalkin area due to Áras Chrónáin, an Irish cultural centre, and the Gaelscoileanna. Come to think of it the area was set be Dublin's first official Gaeltacht a few years back.

LordSutch

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Land bridges from insert phrase people do not like (UK). People of another none liked phrase (British isles) originally were pretty similar and were not from Celtic Europe. The UK suffered from more of an influence via invasion and alike. Original Irish people were more akin to there original UK equivalent if one removes the revisionist history. The UK diverged greater to original Irish people due to Roman and Saxon invasions. Ireland and UK both suffered Nordic invasions though.

You're only muddying the waters with a term like 'UK' which is an ever changing concept!
Let's keep it geographic

Boom_Bap

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Thankfully there are a few Gael force winds around the past few days that have sorted this problem.