need a new drill

sunnyday1234

Guys

I have been using a borrowed tesco drill for a while and im at my wits end with it. I am also sick of flimsy plasterboard fixings. My outside walls are plasterboard with 50mm insulation and then brick so to fix stuff like heavy mirrors and curtain poles then i have to drill into the block with 100mm screws

This makes me lose the will to live when using the tesco drill so i need advice on a new drill. I want to be able to drill these holes into the brick in a few mins with relative ease

should i go cord / cordless ?
what drill bits do you recommend ?
should i get sds ?

I dont have a limitless budget but i am willing to spend on a tool that will make my life easier and will last a long time

can someone give me some help please ?

colm_mcm

If you're only drilling then I'd buy a corded drill, any old hammer drill you get €40 will perform better than most cordless drills, and you still have the tesco drill for screw driving.

You'd pick up a black and decker or similar for €40. I have a Halfords branded one for 7 or 8 years. This might go against popular opinion, but I think a corded drill is one if those rare things that you can buy cheap and still get good results.

http://www.woodiesdiy.com/Product/blackdecker-500w-percussion-hammer-drill-kr504cresk/10506/1.0.17

DublinDilbert

sunnyday1234 wrote: »

Guys

I have been using a borrowed tesco drill for a while and im at my wits end with it. I am also sick of flimsy plasterboard fixings. My outside walls are plasterboard with 50mm insulation and then brick so to fix stuff like heavy mirrors and curtain poles then i have to drill into the block with 100mm screws

This makes me lose the will to live when using the tesco drill so i need advice on a new drill. I want to be able to drill these holes into the brick in a few mins with relative ease

should i go cord / cordless ?
what drill bits do you recommend ?
should i get sds ?

I dont have a limitless budget but i am willing to spend on a tool that will make my life easier and will last a long time

can someone give me some help please ?

Buy a decent mains sds drill, some people say you can't beat the aldi / lidl stuff for home use, €60 or so. I'd pay double that and get something with a safety clutch. Hitachi / Bosch / Makita corded drills would be quite good and not massive money for the work they will do.

Definitely go for corded and sds. Look at adverts for good quality sds bits.

sunnyday1234

DublinDilbert wrote: »

Buy a decent mains sds drill, some people say you can't beat the aldi / lidl stuff for home use, €60 or so. I'd pay double that and get something with a safety clutch. Hitachi / Bosch / Makita corded drills would be quite good and not massive money for the work they will do.

Definitely go for corded and sds. Look at adverts for good quality sds bits.

thanks. whats the safety clutch ? adverts will be second hand bits , no ?

I am looking at this one, shoudl go through brick easy ?

http://www.mcquillantools.ie/bosch-gbh220d1-sds-rotary-hammer-drill-3-mode-650w/

sfmcar

Make sure and buy an sds drill. Mains would do if you will only use it around the house. battery sds drills are more expensive and prefer to be used regulary. I used an expensive bosch battery drill in work and never had a problem but when i bought a new one for personal use i had lots of issues with batteries not holding charge and i believe its down to limited use

The bosch one you have linked would be perfect. Be sure to get 230v. You would need a transformer if you get 110v

5T3PH3N

http://www.fastfix.co.uk/makita/Makita-HR1830-SDS-Plus-Rotary-Hammer-Drill.html
I bought one of these a few years ago simply because it was light, short and cheap (I got it for 80€ish delivered from a different site).
The boss ended up buying it from me and uses it more frequently than his bigger makita and dewalt sds+ drills. It has been put through relative torture for a drill just to see what it could take and it's still going strong. It has always seemed to drill quicker too!?
The body is hard to differentiate in terms of quality from the bigger makita drills bar the size of course. That probably means the internals are of a poorer quality so will probably not last as long as a top end drill but as I said before, it hasn't let us down yet.
I'm gonna buy another one actually, except in 230v for those small jobs so i don't need to haul my transformer around.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Makita-HR1830-Rotary-Hammer-Complete/dp/B000LFL0SK

DublinDilbert

sunnyday1234 wrote: »

thanks. whats the safety clutch ? adverts will be second hand bits , no ?

I am looking at this one, shoudl go through brick easy ?

http://www.mcquillantools.ie/bosch-gbh220d1-sds-rotary-hammer-drill-3-mode-650w/

A safety clutch is what stops you ending up in A&E with a broken wrist. With larger drills if a bit stops in concrete the drill try's to spin and your natural reaction is to grab it. It limits the torque from the drill.

Hard to beat the price or quality of that Makita posted above, about ~€75

Adverts has many shops selling bits new, I know I got a very good quality suds chisel for a fraction of the price other places wanted

sunnyday1234

5T3PH3N wrote: »

http://www.fastfix.co.uk/makita/Makita-HR1830-SDS-Plus-Rotary-Hammer-Drill.html
I bought one of these a few years ago simply because it was light, short and cheap (I got it for 80€ish delivered from a different site).
The boss ended up buying it from me and uses it more frequently than his bigger makita and dewalt sds+ drills. It has been put through relative torture for a drill just to see what it could take and it's still going strong. It has always seemed to drill quicker too!?
The body is hard to differentiate in terms of quality from the bigger makita drills bar the size of course. That probably means the internals are of a poorer quality so will probably not last as long as a top end drill but as I said before, it hasn't let us down yet.
I'm gonna buy another one actually, except in 230v for those small jobs so i don't need to haul my transformer around.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Makita-HR1830-Rotary-Hammer-Complete/dp/B000LFL0SK

and you reckon the one listed at the end of your post there would drill through brick easily enough ?

The bosch one is 170 euro and the makita is half that price

what wouuld be the difference here ?

colm_mcm

Any electric drill will fly thigh brickwork.

sunnyday1234

DublinDilbert wrote: »

A safety clutch is what stops you ending up in A&E with a broken wrist. With larger drills if a bit stops in concrete the drill try's to spin and your natural reaction is to grab it. It limits the torque from the drill.

Hard to beat the price or quality of that Makita posted above, about ~€75

Adverts has many shops selling bits new, I know I got a very good quality suds chisel for a fraction of the price other places wanted

does that makita have a safety catch ?

sunnyday1234

colm_mcm wrote: »

Any electric drill will fly thigh brickwork.

not true. my current tesco one wont - its junk

DublinDilbert

sunnyday1234 wrote: »

and you reckon the one listed at the end of your post there would drill through brick easily enough ?

The bosch one is 170 euro and the makita is half that price

what wouuld be the difference here ?

Like a hot knife through butter. One of the ones listed comes with a set of Makita bits for £50, Makita bits would last years just doing stuff around the house. At that price I'd be tempted to buy one as a spare.

If you need one or two long sds bits to drill into brick behind insulation, pop into your local plumbing or electrical wholesalers they will sell good bits very cheap.

Buona Fortuna

We have really thick walls here. I've had one of these since we moved back, about 8 years ago, and its still going strong.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bosch-2100-Pneumatic-Rotary-Hammer/dp/B006P06Z9Y/ref=sr_1_6?s=diy&ie=UTF8&qid=1448793281&sr=1-6&keywords=bosch

DublinDilbert

sunnyday1234 wrote: »

does that makita have a safety catch ?

I wouldn't say it has a safety clutch for that price but once your not drilling > 10mm holes too often not an issue. I guess I'm paranoid about stuff like that, don't want one of them taking you off a ladder!

sunnyday1234

DublinDilbert wrote: »

Like a hot knife through butter. One of the ones listed comes with a set of Makita bits for £50, Makita bits would last years just doing stuff around the house. At that price I'd be tempted to buy one as a spare.

If you need one or two long sds bits to drill into brick behind insulation, pop into your local plumbing or electrical wholesalers they will sell good bits very cheap.

ok thanks a million.

one last question , i want to use these concrete screws which are 7.5 mm and 100mm long. It says i need a 6mm hole drilled. Do you know how these screws work ? Do i just screw them in then to the smaller one and they will get bite along the way without a plug ?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Masonry-Concrete-Fixings-Anchors-concrete/dp/B00CJ8IXB4

5T3PH3N

sunnyday1234 wrote: »

and you reckon the one listed at the end of your post there would drill through brick easily enough ?

The bosch one is 170 euro and the makita is half that price

what wouuld be the difference here ?

It will go through concrete handy enough so will absolutely fly through block or brick.

DublinDilbert

Yea just use a 6mm but and no rawl plug, work quite wel, have used them a few times to hold in windows.

One of the lads here had a good tip for hanging very heavy items on insulated boards, drill a hole and use a long express nail, then put a rawl plug up the centre of it and drive a normal screw into it.

sunnyday1234

5T3PH3N wrote: »

It will go through concrete handy enough so will absolutely fly through block or brick.

thanks. buying the one with the free bits. its a great deal. thanks for your help

sunnyday1234

DublinDilbert wrote: »

Yea just use a 6mm but and no rawl plug, work quite wel, have used them a few times to hold in windows.

One of the lads here had a good tip for hanging very heavy items on insulated boards, drill a hole and use a long express nail, then put a rawl plug up the centre of it and drive a normal screw into it.

and would i be able to screw the 7.5 mm concrete screw into the 6mm hole easily enough with a hand driven screwdriver ?

5T3PH3N

sunnyday1234 wrote: »

thanks. buying the one with the free bits. its a great deal. thanks for your help

No problem.
Is that the one from fastfix? It's 20£ delivery to Ireland unfortunately.

DublinDilbert

sunnyday1234 wrote: »

and would i be able to screw the 7.5 mm concrete screw into the 6mm hole easily enough with a hand driven screwdriver ?

The threads on the 7.5mm screw cut into the concrete. i've driven them with my combi drill but usually finish them off by hand. They have a Torx head so you'll need a handle which can take that bit. I usually tighten them up with my ratchet set which has some Torx bits in it.

sunnyday1234

5T3PH3N wrote: »

No problem.
Is that the one from fastfix? It's 20£ delivery to Ireland unfortunately.

parcel motel to the rescue!

Buona Fortuna

sunnyday1234 wrote: »

ok thanks a million.

one last question , i want to use these concrete screws which are 7.5 mm and 100mm long. It says i need a 6mm hole drilled. Do you know how these screws work ? Do i just screw them in then to the smaller one and they will get bite along the way without a plug ?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Masonry-Concrete-Fixings-Anchors-concrete/dp/B00CJ8IXB4

Yep no need for a plug.

Window fitters use them a lot. You can get them here in builders merchants.

Buona Fortuna

sunnyday1234 wrote: »

and would i be able to screw the 7.5 mm concrete screw into the 6mm hole easily enough with a hand driven screwdriver ?

Cripes. If you've got arms like Popeye sure.

I wouldn't even try it. Use an electric screwdriver.

DublinDilbert

sunnyday1234 wrote: »

parcel motel to the rescue!

How much is delivery to pm?

5T3PH3N

DublinDilbert wrote: »

How much is delivery to pm?

As far as I can see its €80 for the drill and uk delivery and then 8.95 for parcel motel. I'm not sure tho, never used parcel motel.

sunnyday1234

5T3PH3N wrote: »

As far as I can see its €80 for the drill and uk delivery and then 8.95 for parcel motel. I'm not sure tho, never used parcel motel.

yeah its usually free delivery to UK but with this crowd its actually cheaper to ship to ROI then northern ireland which is odd. still went with it anyway

sunnyday1234

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

Cripes. If you've got arms like Popeye sure.

I wouldn't even try it. Use an electric screwdriver.

a normal battery powered screwdriver would suffice ? or would it need to be drill screwdriver (which i dont have :-))

Buona Fortuna

sunnyday1234 wrote: »

a normal battery powered screwdriver would suffice ? or would it need to be drill screwdriver (which i dont have :-))

Battery screwdriver should be fine.

sunnyday1234

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

Battery screwdriver should be fine.

thanks for everything guys., all set.

drill and screws ordered

no more taking 2 hours to put a curtain rail :-)

colm_mcm

sunnyday1234 wrote: »

not true. my current tesco one wont - its junk

it's a corded still?
I'm.assuming it has hammer action anturned om and you're using a masonary bit?

sunnyday1234

colm_mcm wrote: »

it's a corded still?
I'm.assuming it has hammer action anturned om and you're using a masonary bit?

yes , yes and yes

think the hammer action isnt working great though. chuck isnt great either, any bit of drilling loosens the bits. will keep it for simple drilling

denlaw

For the amount of times your going to use the drill, aldi or lidl would do fine, I'm lucky enough to have a brother whose a sparks and has nothing else only blue bosch if i need to borrow a big powerful yoke... I still have a corded Hitachi drill i bought 17 yrs ago when we built the house, the brother gave me a dewalt 18v cordless with two good battery's a few yrs ago, he reckons they're terrible... I've used it about 4 times while taking down shelves and stuff when I've been painting.. Under orders.. Before that i had an old black and decker orange 14.4v cordless that still works fine... I certainly wouldn't be forking over big shillings for a drill I'd rarely use..

the_syco

This be of any use?

http://www.woodiesdiy.tv/How-Plasterboard-Fixings-Work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg6y_aWdrfQ

The last screw shown is what I've used myself for lighter stuff.

Consider tapping the plasterboard, as the plasterboard is often fitted to the wall with a few beams for extra strength.

sunnyday1234

the_syco wrote: »

This be of any use?

http://www.woodiesdiy.tv/How-Plasterboard-Fixings-Work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg6y_aWdrfQ

The last screw shown is what I've used myself for lighter stuff.

Consider tapping the plasterboard, as the plasterboard is often fitted to the wall with a few beams for extra strength.

plasterboard fixings are fine for lighter items. I have tried them all, they are all rubbish for heavy things like mirrors and curtain poles

sunnyday1234

5T3PH3N wrote: »

http://www.fastfix.co.uk/makita/Makita-HR1830-SDS-Plus-Rotary-Hammer-Drill.html
I bought one of these a few years ago simply because it was light, short and cheap (I got it for 80€ish delivered from a different site).
The boss ended up buying it from me and uses it more frequently than his bigger makita and dewalt sds+ drills. It has been put through relative torture for a drill just to see what it could take and it's still going strong. It has always seemed to drill quicker too!?
The body is hard to differentiate in terms of quality from the bigger makita drills bar the size of course. That probably means the internals are of a poorer quality so will probably not last as long as a top end drill but as I said before, it hasn't let us down yet.
I'm gonna buy another one actually, except in 230v for those small jobs so i don't need to haul my transformer around.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Makita-HR1830-Rotary-Hammer-Complete/dp/B000LFL0SK

The Makita with the bits looks like a great deal now when you look at these prices

http://www.siis.co.uk/makita-hr1830-sds-hammer-drill
http://www.hsstoolshop.co.uk/makita-hr1830-sds-rotary-hammer-drill-110v--240v-73-p.asp
http://www.ffx.co.uk/tools/product/Makita%20Hr1830%202%20110%200088381088176%2018Mm%20Sds%20Plus%20Rotary%20Hammer%20Drill%20110V