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Wailin

hooch-85 wrote: »

Any offers on your own privately? I've seen the ad and it's a great looking car. My sister is trying to sell her 3 series to come up a few years, it's a 9-10k car at best and there just doesn't seem to be any interest out there at the minute. She's been offered 6k in a trade in, she might end up taking it that if she get's no interest.

Funnily enough I had one guy ask was I interested in a swap with a golf R

But other than that no other calls or messages yet. It's not up long but I'm not expecting to sell it privately to be honest.

bazz26

I wouldn't darken Bolands door again on principal after that carry on. Pulling cost to change figures from their asses and then trying the tactic of ringing with an offer of 9k less to make it look like it was great and the second guy was doing you a favor. It stinks of contempt and shows a lack of respect to a potential customer. Just too much money involved to accept that sort of carry on but I get the feeling when horse traders like this work around stock for so long the money involved just become insignificant numbers. I'd be tempted to write to their dealer principal but it would just be a waste of my time and probably fall on deaf ears anyway. Personally I'd let them shove their offer and car up the same ass they pulled the figures from. No car is worth that imo.

Wailin

Totally agree bazz and that's why I didn't take the call yesterday. I'm torn between what is a beautiful one off car and giving those pr1cks my business. As I said earlier, I wish that car was in any other dealers except them. Whatever I do, I'll certainly be leaving a glowing review and a formal complaint to the head office in Dublin. It was one of the Bolands btw who I had the displeasure of dealing with.

Edit: And he is the dealer principle....

Wailin

Wailin wrote: »

............. It was one of the Bolands btw who I had the displeasure of dealing with.

Edit: And he is the dealer principle....

Chr1st ............ and someone else rang back to smooth things over?

eljono

Wailin wrote: »

Totally agree bazz and that's why I didn't take the call yesterday. I'm torn between what is a beautiful one off car and giving those pr1cks my business. As I said earlier, I wish that car was in any other dealers except them. Whatever I do, I'll certainly be leaving a glowing review and a formal complaint to the head office in Dublin. It was one of the Bolands btw who I had the displeasure of dealing with.

Edit: And he is the dealer principle....

If you really like the 440i, would you consider approaching a BMW dealer you have a relationship with and asking to buy it through them? They could arrange a trade sale with Boland's and you then don't have to deal with them.

Wailin

eljono wrote: »

If you really like the 440i, would you consider approaching a BMW dealer you have a relationship with and asking to buy it through them? They could arrange a trade sale with Boland's and you then don't have to deal with them.

But is that actually possible though? What benefit is it to the dealer I do business with? If it could work then yes I'd certainly go down that route.

Wailin

Augeo wrote: »

Chr1st ............ and someone else rang back to smooth things over?

Senior sales guy rang back yes.

eljono

Wailin wrote: »

But is that actually possible though? What benefit is it to the dealer I do business with? If it could work then yes I'd certainly go down that route.

We did it previously, bought a car a dealer in Thurles had, through a dealer in Nenagh we had a relationship with.

No harm in asking your preferred dealer, I'd be surprised if they said no, they get a sale out of it. They would pay Bolands the trade price, not the forecourt price so there's margin in it for them.

Wailin

Wailin wrote: »

But is that actually possible though? What benefit is it to the dealer I do business with? If it could work then yes I'd certainly go down that route.

At €47k there'd likely be some margin in there if Bolands "released" it so to speak as a trade sale.
As Bolands have it quite a while I'd think there's not too much margin in it though tbh, I might be wrong but BMW Ireland hardly let Bolands take it for too much less then the current screen price.

Technique

Wailin wrote: »

But is that actually possible though? What benefit is it to the dealer I do business with? If it could work then yes I'd certainly go down that route.

It doesn't even have to be a BMW dealer. I know of new cars which have been sourced through a dealership of a totally different brand.

If you have a good relationship with a local dealer then have a talk with them.

Wailin

It would have to be a bmw dealer though to get the 2 yr warranty. The car is priced quiet low so won't have much margin for profit to another dealer I'm guessing. Be worth a shot though definitely.

bazz26

It's also very possible that BMW Ireland are selling this car through the dealer and are calling the shots regarding the retail price on it.

carsfan2

I would be pretty sure those cars went up for internal auction from bmw Ireland when they were released. Colm Quinn BMW had the other two.
I’m guessing Bolands bid the most on that one and have overestimated the price initially.
BMW do these auctions periodically and you will often then see similar spec used cars in the dealer network. The dealers bid on them from BMW Ireland They are ex BMW management vehicles most usually. Our previous x5 was one.

I don’t see the benefits of getting another BMW dealer involved in the 440i.
If you like the car, hold your nose and do the business. Let them know after how unhappy you were with the sales process and go elsewhere for after sales.
Another dealer is just going to want a cut of the profits.

GavMan

carsfan2 wrote: »

If you like the car, hold your nose and do the business. Let them know after how unhappy you were with the sales process and go elsewhere for after sales.
Another dealer is just going to want a cut of the profits.

TBH, This is what I was thinking myself. Sure its ****ty to line their pocket on the sale but at the end of the day if this is the car you want, prob best to be pragmatic, drive the best deal you can and then take the service work elsewhere. I'm not sure but there's prob more margin in the service work so you're hitting them harder there...

bazz26

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXVZrIxG-uk

Hard to know if it's just the camera quality or if the grey exterior/4 Series just doesn't pull off the cognac Merino leather but it looks too load in this combo. Nice spec though but asking 2k more than the Snapper Rocks Blue one from last week.

Wailin

When you look at those prices it really shows how good value that 440i is being a 182 with such low mileage. Cash sale of course

carsfan2

bazz26 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXVZrIxG-uk

Hard to know if it's just the camera quality or if the grey exterior/4 Series just doesn't pull off the cognac Merino leather but it looks too load in this combo. Nice spec though but asking 2k more than the Snapper Rocks Blue one from last week.

Nicer spec overall than the other one and Dreg.
I think the cognac leather looks better in reality than that too.
Good car but yeah the 440i still looks the pick of the bunch.

maddness

Wailin wrote: »

Totally agree bazz and that's why I didn't take the call yesterday. I'm torn between what is a beautiful one off car and giving those pr1cks my business. As I said earlier, I wish that car was in any other dealers except them. Whatever I do, I'll certainly be leaving a glowing review and a formal complaint to the head office in Dublin. It was one of the Bolands btw who I had the displeasure of dealing with.

Edit: And he is the dealer principle....

I know the car is very low mileage but if you really want a 440i and don’t want to deal with these clowns don’t. Buy one from the UK, you may not get one with as low mileage but there is far more choice and you will get one with much better spec. It’s more hassle but is always worth it if you have an interest in your cars and if you drive a 535 and want a 440i you absolutely do.
Keep an eye on sterling to euro rates too.

Wailin

Yeah I had a look on auto trader and there isn't much choice in 440i's surprisingly. Couldn't find anything in a spec I wanted (the adaptive LEDs are a must) and none had the merino leather which helps lift an otherwise dull cabin. Looking at the M340i options over there but there just not in my price range yet.

bazz26

340i? I'm loving this:



https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202006059831291?radius=1500&year-from=2017&postcode=ls11az&model=3%20SERIES&advertising-location=at_cars&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&year-to=2017&make=BMW&sort=price-asc&aggregatedTrim=340i&exclude-writeoff-categories=on&page=1

VRT probably kills it.

Edit: Your talking about 36k all in.

hooch-85

I'd prefer that over the 4 series any day. 36k all in with VRT? Seems very good.

Wailin

That's lovely bazz, nice spec too. Vrt is around 13k so well priced all in.

Edit: Works out at about 40k.

Idbatterim

lads I dont know how you continually go back to those total robbing piss takers here with the figures involved and then the depreciation , then with the mental depreciation they go and low ball you to insulting levels, trying to get you into the next car thats going to drop like a ton of bricks and then the cycle starts again...

import from the uk, it further reduces the demand and hence prices, for what these thieves are trying to gouge you for...

non of you would prefer to spend like 35k on the likes of the below?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bentley-continental-gt-auto/18215641?campaign=14

bazz26

Wailin wrote: »

That's lovely bazz, nice spec too. Vrt is around 13k so well priced all in.

Edit: Works out at about 40k.

VRT was just over 9k when I punched in the details.

mickdw

Idbatterim wrote: »

lads I dont know how you continually go back to those total robbing piss takers here with the figures involved and then the depreciation , then with the mental depreciation they go and low ball you to insulting levels, trying to get you into the next car thats going to drop like a ton of bricks and then the cycle starts again...

import from the uk, it further reduces the demand and hence prices, for what these thieves are trying to gouge you for...

non of you would prefer to spend like 35k on the likes of the below?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bentley-continental-gt-auto/18215641?campaign=14

Thats from an irish bmw dealer too. Id imagine if one went back with it in 2 months time, the trade in offer would be about 12k.
From what i have seen over the last 5 or 6 years, The piss taking is pretty much exclusively from bmw dealers.
Other brands will have a cheeky 2 to 3k in the deal beyond what you might have worked out yourself at home.
Bmw are invariably 10k the wrong side of where you might have calculated yourself. Its nuts.

Wailin

bazz26 wrote: »

VRT was just over 9k when I punched in the details.

You're right bazz I had the wrong mileage in.

galwaytt

Idbatterim wrote: »

lads I dont know how you continually go back to those total robbing piss takers here with the figures involved and then the depreciation , then with the mental depreciation they go and low ball you to insulting levels, trying to get you into the next car thats going to drop like a ton of bricks and then the cycle starts again...

import from the uk, it further reduces the demand and hence prices, for what these thieves are trying to gouge you for...

non of you would prefer to spend like 35k on the likes of the below?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bentley-continental-gt-auto/18215641?campaign=14

No I wouldn't. Especially not one if those.

I bought my last 3.6 petrol in 2014 cheaper here than the UK.

This week we bought a 2016, 15k mile CLS here....cheaper than importing one, for the spec.

Theyr'e here, you just have to look properly.

Do you honestly think UK dealers don't have a Paddy Price for stock they can't shift there due to ULEZ etc, but know we lap them up ??

Idbatterim

galwaytt wrote: »

No I wouldn't. Especially not one if those.

I bought my last 3.6 petrol in 2014 cheaper here than the UK.

This week we bought a 2016, 15k mile CLS here....cheaper than importing one, for the spec.

Theyr'e here, you just have to look properly.

Do you honestly think UK dealers don't have a Paddy Price for stock they can't shift there due to ULEZ etc, but know we lap them up ??

Large ish petrols here might be a different story. Old diesels and mid age diesels might be more to import , but new and newish cars from bm, usually have huge savings by importing....

Idbatterim

Idbatterim wrote: »

................

non of you would prefer to spend like 35k on the likes of the below?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bentley-continental-gt-auto/18215641?campaign=14

I imagine that would appeal to essentially no one, nationwide that has €35k to spend on a daily driver tbh.

Wailin

Idbatterim wrote: »

lads I dont know how you continually go back to those total robbing piss takers here with the figures involved and then the depreciation , then with the mental depreciation they go and low ball you to insulting levels, trying to get you into the next car thats going to drop like a ton of bricks and then the cycle starts again...

import from the uk, it further reduces the demand and hence prices, for what these thieves are trying to gouge you for...

non of you would prefer to spend like 35k on the likes of the below?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bentley-continental-gt-auto/18215641?campaign=14

Labels all BMW dealers as robbing piss takers then suggests a car from a bmw dealer