There's speeding and there's......

Jawgap

.....insanity!!

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/667284307346493440

jimgoose

Girrupdeyard ya bag a' mutton. Motorway, I assume. Wonder what he was driving?

mhackett102

Does a driver have to be over a certain speed to be arrested and brought to court? Or a certain percentage over the speed limit?

Would love to know what that guy was driving anyhow :eek:

Falcon L

jimgoose wrote: »

Girrupdeyard ya bag a' mutton. Motorway, I assume. Wonder what he was driving?

Wouldn't need to be at all exotic. Mondeo? Avensis? Focus even?

jim-mcdee

Any 2.0 diesel will do that speed nowadays though wont it....

jimgoose

jim-mcdee wrote: »

Any 2.0 diesel will do that speed nowadays though wont it....

Some of them will pull 130, yes. They need north of 170 horsepower to do it, though.

Jawgap

jimgoose wrote: »

Some of them will pull 130, yes. They need north of 170 horsepower to do it, though.

Tempted to find out later*






*that's a joke

Atlantic Dawn

Showing that speed on the gun will actually only encourage some people to break that limit.

jimgoose

Jawgap wrote: »

Tempted to find out later*...

The brother's F10 520D at around 180 BHP probably would, for example. An Avensis D4D probably wouldn't.

Toyotafanboi

200km/h is hardly insanity, that's only like 120 in old money. I wouldn't do it on the M50 on a Monday morning, late at night on a deserted national route for example, while technically illegal, probably isn't that dangerous.

GM228

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Showing that speed on the gun will actually only encourage some people to break that limit.

Like children been told they can't do something!

GM228

PrettyBoy

Insanity? Really..? If weaving in and out of traffic on a Friday afternoon, then yes, that's stupid but if on a deserted stretch of motorway late at night then not a big deal..as already mentioned most diesel saloons will do 130mph easily..can't understand the outrage (ie. "a grand for attempted murder! Great country", "how in the name of God could u do that speed not to mention the stupidity of it." )

ba_barabus

Meh

GM228

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

200km/h is hardly insanity, that's only like 120 in old money. I wouldn't do it on the M50 on a Monday morning, late at night on a deserted national route late at night for example, while technically illegal, probably isn't that dangerous.

Not sure if that's a child posting or a responsible adult!

GM228

JackHeuston

jimgoose wrote: »

Girrupdeyard ya bag a' mutton. Motorway, I assume. Wonder what he was driving?

Considered that even a 1.3l diesel medium-sized car can reach 180 km/h, any engine slightly bigger than that could go over 200. It would take a long time with the pedal to the metal, but it's possible.

jimgoose

JackHeuston wrote: »

Considered that even a 1.3l diesel medium-sized car can reach 180 km/h, any engine slightly bigger than that could go over 200. It would take a long time with the pedal to the metal, but it's possible.

Mmm. It's not quite as linear as that, chief. Air becomes a reet bugger once you hit the ton.

brianomc

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

200km/h is hardly insanity, that's only like 120 in old money. I wouldn't do it on the M50 on a Monday morning, late at night on a deserted national route for example, while technically illegal, probably isn't that dangerous.

The pedestrian or cyclist you might meet on the national route probably wouldnt agree with you. Best to keep that speed to the track.

vintagevrs

So 1000 euros and points? What would you need to do to get a ban? Prob depends on circumstance

Toyotafanboi

GM228 wrote: »

Not sure if that's a child posting or a responsible adult!

GM228

Having done in excess of 200km/h many times when the conditions permitted, it really isn't anymore dangerous than an average afternoon trip up the M50.

Why would it be dangerous?

jimgoose

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Having done in excess of 200km/h many times when the conditions permitted, it really isn't anymore dangerous than an average afternoon trip up the M50.

Why would it be dangerous?

Having cruised at ~130 MPH many a time back in the day on a 1,000cc superbike on the old N7 I'd tend to agree - I seem to be more comfortable at really high speed on two wheels, for some reason. It depends very much on the machine and pilot, though.

Second Toughest in_the Freshers

Lock these guys up and throw away the key.. :rolleyes:

aaakev

I'd bet most petrol heads here have had their clock well north of that number, I certainly have.

ba_barabus

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Why would it be dangerous?

Your head explodes at speeds faster than "excessive" due to the unique laws of physics we have in Ireland.

THAT'S WHY

fancy pigeon

Wonder what was the excuse... That must have been interesting!

"It was reading 126, sure I thought it was in kilometers, it reads a little slow anyway..."

jimgoose

aaakev wrote: »

I'd bet most petrol heads here have had their clock well north of that number, I certainly have.

SSSSHHH!! The Sphincter Police are watching! :pac:

Toyotafanboi

aaakev wrote: »

I'd bet most petrol heads here have had their clock well north of that number, I certainly have.

x2

polan

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

x2

x3

JC01

I thought this would be something interesting like your man caught in Texas at like 220mph in his konnesegg.

Most drivers that regularly drive late at night have probably hit 130, modern cars are more than capable of it for extended periods of time.

Kevhog1988

JC01 wrote: »

I thought this would be something interesting like your man caught in Texas at like 220mph in his konnesegg.

Most drivers that regularly drive late at night have probably hit 130, modern cars are more than capable of it for extended periods of time.

drive a lot on the m6 in uk at stupid o clock in the morning. thats not a mental speed at all

166man

fancy pigeon wrote: »

Wonder what was the excuse... That must have been interesting!

"It was reading 126, sure I thought it was in kilometers, it reads a little slow anyway..."

Sure there's no way an Avensis D4D would make it from Dublin city center to Navan town in 25 minutes....:D

jimgoose

theemigrant wrote: »

drive a lot on the m6 in uk at stupid o clock in the morning. thats not a mental speed at all

Indeed so. And you should see the Black Autobahn. :pac:

Jawgap

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

200km/h is hardly insanity, that's only like 120 in old money. I wouldn't do it on the M50 on a Monday morning, late at night on a deserted national route for example, while technically illegal, probably isn't that dangerous.

You're covering a kilometre every 17.3 seconds.

At that speed on a dry road, you're 'thinking distance' is about 50 to 60 metres; you're braking distance is about 300m so about 350m all told in perfect conditions with an alert driver.

How far ahead, at night can you see with main beams?

Ant695

It's not a mental speed until something goes wrong. That is the reason for speed limits because at that speed getting a blow out or having an animal run in front of you on the road or any number of other variables mean you will leave a very big mess for someone to clean up. Doesn't matter how good a driver you think you are you can never be 100% sure what is going to happen.

And yeah that can happen at any speed but the difference between something like that at 70mph and 120mph will be significant.

JC01

Jawgap wrote: »

You're covering a kilometre every 17.3 seconds.

At that speed on a dry road, you're 'thinking distance' is about 50 to 60 metres; you're braking distance is about 300m so about 350m all told in perfect conditions with an alert driver.

How far ahead, at night can you see with main beams?

You've no idea what brakes are on the car and no idea what kinda lights are on the car. These new LED lights give insane fields of view on fulls. That's still beside the point though; on a 2lane+ Hard shoulder motorway late at night driving at 130 is only very marginally more dangerous than driving at 70. And despite what the RSA would have you believe, driving is an inherently dangerous thing to do. People are designed for a top speed of ~15mph, that doesn't mean we should all drive at 15 to be on the safe side does it?

Toyotafanboi

Jawgap wrote: »

You're covering a kilometre every 17.3 seconds.

At that speed on a dry road, you're 'thinking distance' is about 50 to 60 metres; you're braking distance is about 300m so about 350m all told in perfect conditions with an alert driver.

How far ahead, at night can you see with main beams?

Just talking about the roads around my area but there are plenty of motorway and national routes where you could easily see for over 1km in daylight and predict the road to a similar distance at night with the aid of cats eyes and barrier markings.

The risk isn't really any greater, if I hit a stray deer, or skid on ice, i'm probably snookered whether i'm doing 120 or 220 i'd say.

Now i'm not saying I go to work at 200km/h every morning, but just the simple fact that someone was doing 200km/h isn't directly related to danger/ stupidity etc by any means. It needs context.

For all we know he was coming down the straight at Mondello.

Comhrá

It's not a mental speed until something goes wrong....

for eg. meeting another fool thinking and driving the same way.

5W30

tippman1 wrote: »

for eg. meeting another fool thinking and driving the same way.

That's impossible on a motorway regardless of which direction the other fool is travelling in.

Jawgap

JC01 wrote: »

You've no idea what brakes are on the car and no idea what kinda lights are on the car. These new LED lights give insane fields of view on fulls. That's still beside the point though; on a 2lane+ Hard shoulder motorway late at night driving at 130 is only very marginally more dangerous than driving at 70. And despite what the RSA would have you believe, driving is an inherently dangerous thing to do. People are designed for a top speed of ~15mph, that doesn't mean we should all drive at 15 to be on the safe side does it?

Well I wasn't talking about field of view, I was talking about distance / throw.

And as far as I can see, the best lights currently available 'only' go out to 300m.

And the usual rule of thumb is double the speed quadruple the braking distance, so I'd suggest the marginal increase in danger from 120 km/hr to 208 km/hr is not insignificant.

GM228

5W30 wrote: »

That's impossible on a motorway regardless of which direction the other fool is travelling in.

I've seen plenty of idiots going the wrong way on a dual carriageway and once on a motorway, there's no such thing as impossible!

GM228

5W30

GM228 wrote: »

I've seen plenty of idiots going the wrong way on a dual carriageway and omce on a motorway, there's no such thing as impossible!

GM228

And speeding is the cause of people driving on the wrong side of the motorway?

Toyotafanboi

What is the likelyhood of needing to come to an emergency dead stop on a quiet motorway though?

Have you ever had to come from cruising speed to an emergency stop on a motorway? Once or twice ever? And of those occasion, probably during peak times when 200km/h wouldn't be achievable anyway.

GM228

5W30 wrote: »

And speeding is the cause of people driving on the wrong side of the motorway?

No, idiocy is!

GM228

GM228

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

What is the likelyhood of needing to come to an emergency dead stop on a quiet motorway though?

Have you ever had to come from cruising speed to an emergency stop on a motorway? Once or twice ever? And of those occasion, probably during peak times when 200km/h wouldn't be achievable anyway.

What if an animal ran out in front of you? Or an unlit crashed car up ahead came into view or the person you are overtaking swerves into your lane for whatever reason, or you get a blow out......

Many a reason why you "might" have to slam on which apply at all times!

GM228

Toyotafanboi

GM228 wrote: »

No, idiocy is!

GM228

And what's the relevancy anyway?

tossy

People on high horses shouldn't throw stones.

GM228

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

And what's the relevancy anyway?

In response that you can't meet another person driving that way on a motorway!

5W30 wrote: »

That's impossible on a motorway regardless of which direction the other fool is travelling in.

GM228

JBokeh

It isn't the kind of speed that you accidentally do, but it isn't like you're going to be doing that kind of speed in a dumb place either, it's more of a "see a clear stretch of straight road in the middle of the night and get the boot down to see how fast the car will go" kind of speed. The only thing he did wrong was to do it in a place where he would get caught. I've gone way north of those speeds on my motorbike, not a big crime on a quiet road, hugely stupid to do it in the middle of the day somewhere busy

A friend from my town has a mad jeep with a 2 foot LED light on the bumper, they're probably a good investment if you like speeding, i've seen it lighting a huge distance down the road, I doubt it is legal though.

Reminds me of this

Toyotafanboi

GM228 wrote: »

What if an animal ran out in front of you? Or an unlit crashed car up ahead came into view or the person you are overtaking swerves into your lane for whatever reason, or you get a blow out......

Many a reason why you "might" have to slam on which apply at all times!

GM228

The animal stands the same likelyhood of running out at 120 as 200, and the damage would be fairly horrific at either speed imo. If it were a dog or a cat I would keep my road position and kill it, the same as I would do at 120km/h, if it were a cow or a deer, it could kill me, the same as it would at 120km/h.

Car swerves into my lane? Same scenario at 200 as 120, messy, messy, lives are at risk.

Blowout? Could send me into a skid or a spin, pretty much the same as at 120.

The risk of serious injury or death if simething goes wrong at 120 is rather high as it stands, so the risk does't really increase too much the faster you can go.

CiniO

jimgoose wrote: »

Some of them will pull 130, yes. They need north of 170 horsepower to do it, though.

My standard diesel civic 2.2 , 140BHP does that.
Fastest I managed was 217km/h according to speedo, so in reality it was probably between 205-210 km/h.

You don't need any crazy power to do such speeds.

Jesus.

Jawgap wrote: »

.....insanity!!

Not necessarily. If he was in a good car and on a fairly empty Motorway that wouldn't be that bad. There's a video on the Youtube thread of a guy in a Transit Connect RS doing that speed on busy windy roads. Now that is insanity.

GM228

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

The animal stands the same likelyhood of running out at 120 as 200, and the damage would be fairly horrific at either speed imo. If it were a dog or a cat I would keep my road position and kill it, the same as I would do at 120km/h, if it were a cow or a deer, it could kill me, the same as it would at 120km/h.

Car swerves into my lane? Same scenario at 200 as 120, messy, messy, lives are at risk.

Blowout? Could send me into a skid or a spin, pretty much the same as at 120.

The risk of serious injury or death if simething goes wrong at 120 is rather high as it stands, so the risk does't really increase too much the faster you can go.

Yes the damage will be significant at both speeds, the point is the lower your speed the higher your chances of survival are, and also that split second saved could be the difference between life and death!

I don't think I'd chance a dog at high speed, would do an awful lot more damage depending on the size than a cat would!

GM228