Bullet proof reliability

walus

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

THAT is utter horseh*t right there. Unless the injectors somehow managed to relocate themselves into the crank casing. And you can quote that.
I have never heard such utter sh*te in all my life. That mechanic is either a liar or a moron.
And, well, you know, the injectors are SUPPOSED to spray fuel directly into the engine, it's their JOB! Aaaargh! I am getting pissed off just reading this.
My own car: 355k km, never been near injectors or anything else to do with the inner workings of my engine, power and fuel economy is still good, doing 49 mpg at the moment with mixed driving.

I agree that the mechanics explanation for this sort of engine failure is very vague to say the least in this case. Fuel dilution of the engine oil is possible but in most cases a leaking injector would burn the piston head before the crankshaft goes bang. There is an inherent issues with crankshafts and DMFs in Subaru diesels and that is the fact.

@dr.fuzzentstein is your engine also flat four boxer?

dr.fuzzenstein

walus wrote: »

I agree that the mechanics explanation for this sort of engine failure is very vague to say the least in this case. Fuel dilution of the engine oil is possible but in most cases a leaking injector would burn the piston head before the crankshaft goes bang. There is an inherent issues with crankshafts and DMFs in Subaru diesels and that is the fact.

@dr.fuzzentstein is your engine also flat four boxer?

No flat 4, Ford 1.8 TDCI, but the principal remains the same. Ta re the oil dillution, but agree, there should have been other damage.
Would be interested to see pics of the damage, but I'm willing to guess that even if the dealer took pics, they won't be too eager to share them, since my guess would be they show an otherwise good engine with no signs of wear.

gctest50

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

THAT is utter horseh*t right there. Unless the injectors somehow managed to relocate themselves into the crank casing. And you can quote that. I have never heard such utter sh*te in all my life. That mechanic is either a liar or a moron........

i wouldn't go quoting anything if i was you



They could be leaking the "other way" - under the camshaft cover



vw version , dunno what way subaru diesels are

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gctest50

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selous

walus wrote: »

Were the piston crowns burnt out?
I also asked at the Polish Subaru forum and the dealer for the job like yours would normally give 12 to 24 months warranty - depending on the case.

I think that's what the garage said too, that they had burnt, they cost almost E1000 to get reconditioned, I got no warranty on the rebuild either parts or labour, 1500km check up coming up soon,

selous

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

No flat 4, Ford 1.8 TDCI, but the principal remains the same. Ta re the oil dillution, but agree, there should have been other damage.
Would be interested to see pics of the damage, but I'm willing to guess that even if the dealer took pics, they won't be too eager to share them, since my guess would be they show an otherwise good engine with no signs of wear.

The parts were sent off as soon as engine was stripped to see if I qualified for the "goodwill gesture" from Subaru, It was only serviced 2.5month before it had a full Subaru service history, The garage said the injectors were burnt (I presume) and the conrod was broken, I can only take his word for that, (could have been crankshaft, as that seems to be more common, but why lie) 155000km is not much mileage for any engine to break.
If I was advised to use injector cleaner in it I would have, never liked using any additive in a car, just in case, but look how that turned out anyway.

selous

This is a kick in the ass.
Found it on scoobynet yesterday, his crankshaft broke in mid November, had it back in 4 weeks, mine took 8, goes to show the difference in customer care between here and U.K

H.E. Pennypacker

Subaru Ireland's response to a known issue has been very disappointing. I had a diesel Legacy and loved it but I wouldn't buy another Subaru given the lack of customer care that they've shown. A full Subaru service history in this country adds up to quite a bit of money spent in the dealership - you'd think that it'd buy you reliability and customer service.

Colser

selous wrote: »

This is a kick in the ass.
Found it on scoobynet yesterday, his crankshaft broke in mid November, had it back in 4 weeks, mine took 8, goes to show the difference in customer care between here and U.K

Have you sent this to your dealer and Subaru Ireland?

walus

Selous i think you soulu have enough to go on the radio or a lokal newspaper. I would seriously consider less friedly approach after how you have been treated. Everywhere else the owners with full service history are looked after and get a repair with warranty practically free.
Do you mind sending me a PM with who the dealer is? I like the new Levorg if I buy it one day I'll avoid that dealership at all cost.

Lex Luthor

Saw a Levorg today. Wouldn't touch one...they look worse in the metal and a 1.6 CVT...

walus

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Saw a Levorg today. Wouldn't touch one...they look worse in the metal and a 1.6 CVT...

On the youtube they look great though. 170 bhp is very conservative though I was hoping it would be around 200. I'll wait another year or two to see what Honda will come up with.

Lex Luthor

walus wrote: »

On the youtube they look great though. 170 bhp is very conservative though I was hoping it would be around 200. I'll wait another year or two to see what Honda will come up with.

Subaru prices are off the charts,compared to rivals

Not sure what price Levorg is here but 27k stg is a bit rich

walus

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Subaru prices are off the charts,compared to rivals

Not sure what price Levorg is here but 27k stg is a bit rich

I recon it will be around 38-40k mark as it seems well equipped. I find Subarus seriously overpriced in this country. I'd love to know their sales numbers for the past 10 years as I do not see a lot of new Subarus these days which would indicate their market share is going down.

selous

Walus..sent you two P.Ms just wondering did you get them..

walus

Got them both. Thanks selous.

Cee-Jay-Cee

Does anyone know if the Impreza diesel from the same era suffered similar engine problems?

I currently have a petrol legacy and always considered getting a 09/10 Legacy diesel when the time came to change, however this thread has totally wiped that idea from my mind. There are several for sale at present at what could be considered small money and I'm guessing the owners are looking to get rid of their cars before the engine suffers total failure.

So I'm now left with the problem of what do i replace my current legacy with? The Impreza or Forester are both options but not if they have the same engine as the Legacy and therefore liable to the same failures...

walus

Subaru have had only one boxer diesel for all their models (it is still the case I'd say). All models were suffering from the same engine issues as described in here.

Special Circumstances

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Does anyone know if the Impreza diesel from the same era suffered similar engine problems?

I currently have a petrol legacy and always considered getting a 09/10 Legacy diesel when the time came to change, however this thread has totally wiped that idea from my mind. There are several for sale at present at what could be considered small money and I'm guessing the owners are looking to get rid of their cars before the engine suffers total failure.

So I'm now left with the problem of what do i replace my current legacy with? The Impreza or Forester are both options but not if they have the same engine as the Legacy and therefore liable to the same failures...

If you were in california (strictest air quality regs in the states I believe) you could have your choice of subarus with petrol PZEV engines - partial zero emissions. But no diesel option. This is because they care more about air quality than how much fizzy drink gas you create.

Unfortunately the greens here are all in favour particulates and nox and lax lax emissions checking of the dirtiest vehicles. Which does make you wonder about their policies and common sense in general doesn't it. When will the CO2 tax on soft drinks and beer come into effect I wonder?

But yeah... wouldn't be rushing to buy one of these boxer diesels myself, especially with the way people are being treated.

selous

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Does anyone know if the Impreza diesel from the same era suffered similar engine problems?

I currently have a petrol legacy and always considered getting a 09/10 Legacy diesel when the time came to change, however this thread has totally wiped that idea from my mind. There are several for sale at present at what could be considered small money and I'm guessing the owners are looking to get rid of their cars before the engine suffers total failure.

So I'm now left with the problem of what do i replace my current legacy with? The Impreza or Forester are both options but not if they have the same engine as the Legacy and therefore liable to the same failures...

I love my car, still have it, If your looking at the legacy, find one that has had the engine fixed, so the money has been spent on it, if it was fixed by a main dealer, it should have the new euro5 short motor stronger crankshaft etc, and if it's sold on by a garage you should get a warranty of some sort.
I was pi**ed as hell when mine went and finding it was kinda common was worse, but it's back on the road, still like it, and the glitch is being sorted it's trial n error, and patience from both parties. But i'd still recommend it, it has everything ya want in a car. (I don't like shape of the later model though)

Cee-Jay-Cee

selous wrote: »

I love my car, still have it, If your looking at the legacy, find one that has had the engine fixed, so the money has been spent on it, if it was fixed by a main dealer, it should have the new euro5 short motor stronger crankshaft etc, and if it's sold on by a garage you should get a warranty of some sort.
I was pi**ed as hell when mine went and finding it was kinda common was worse, but it's back on the road, still like it, and the glitch is being sorted it's trial n error, and patience from both parties. But i'd still recommend it, it has everything ya want in a car. (I don't like shape of the later model though)

Yes the new model saloon is a seriously ugly car however the estate version is very nice (in the higher spec cars) I'm considering going to the UK for a newer model as the irish cars are all poverty spec and generally much higher mileage.

Colser

Any update Selous?

selous

Still has the glitch, not easy to replicate as it only happens after an hour (or more) non stop driving, when you re-start it wont catch, but when it does catch it has to be driven again for a while for it to happen again, so not the easiest problem for the garage to find, but it's F-n irritating for me, as its every time, unless I park up till it's cold again,

Lex Luthor

selous wrote: »

Still has the glitch, not easy to replicate as it only happens after an hour (or more) non stop driving, when you re-start it wont catch, but when it does catch it has to be driven again for a while for it to happen again, so not the easiest problem for the garage to find, but it's F-n irritating for me, as its every time, unless I park up till it's cold again,

Had this on mine....so not just isolated to you

Cee-Jay-Cee

selous wrote: »

Still has the glitch, not easy to replicate as it only happens after an hour (or more) non stop driving, when you re-start it wont catch, but when it does catch it has to be driven again for a while for it to happen again, so not the easiest problem for the garage to find, but it's F-n irritating for me, as its every time, unless I park up till it's cold again,

I read (again) through the thread but can't see what glitch your referring to. Is there a problem with the new engine too?

selous

I got the engine rebuilt, (cause I love the car) and there's this glitch,

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057561330

All diagnostic tests have been done, both when hot and cold, but nothing is showing.
new crankshaft sensor has been put in didn't solve it. going back in soon for more tests, but as I said, it isn't the easiest thing to find, as it only happens after a long drive when really hot, so fingers crossed, as I paid a s**t load for the rebuild, not to have a niggly little fault that if I was to sell it on this would put anyone off, I know it would me if I found it on a car I was looking at.

pburns

Christ-on-a-bike!

I bought a 08 Legacy new in July 2008, DMF went in 2012. Was gonna cost over €2k to fix and I didn't trust the repair - or garage. I cut my losses and sold it (after getting another trader interested and bumping the offer up). I also tried to recoup some of it on a straight deal on next car (NOT a Subaru!). It was the best car I've ever had for Irish roads - lovely to drive but utter nightmare to own!

walus

selous wrote: »

I got the engine rebuilt, (cause I love the car) and there's this glitch,

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057561330

All diagnostic tests have been done, both when hot and cold, but nothing is showing.
new crankshaft sensor has been put in didn't solve it. going back in soon for more tests, but as I said, it isn't the easiest thing to find, as it only happens after a long drive when really hot, so fingers crossed, as I paid a s**t load for the rebuild, not to have a niggly little fault that if I was to sell it on this would put anyone off, I know it would me if I found it on a car I was looking at.

Selous I dropped a post on the Polish Subaru Forum abut this. I'll let you know if the lads there come up with some suggestions.

selous

Thanks for that, hopefully someone has solved it, Lex Luthor had it too, so it isn't a one off thing.

Lex Luthor

pburns wrote: »

It was the best car I've ever had for Irish roads - lovely to drive but utter nightmare to own!

totally agree...huge pity

the amount of people that complimented it was a lot....I had the estate which was even better

Driving a Honda CRV now...its got AWD but isn't nowhere near as good to drive as the Legacy on the twisty roads