Miguel Cotto vs Canelo Alvarez - Crolla/ Martin Murray - November 21st

Henno30

Kicking this off with the breaking news that the WBC has stripped Cotto. But if Canelo wins he still gets the belt

Only in boxing.

Henno30

Canelo is currently available at 1/3

Cotto is currently available at 11/4

Canelo by KO/TKO - 4/1

Cotto by KO/TKO - 15/2

Johner

Canelo should have too much for Cotto, looking forward to it though.

Johner

pac_man wrote: »

Read an article that was a bit vague basically saying that Cotto didn't comply to WBC rules. Anyone care to suggest the reason why he was stripped of his title?

Here is their statement in full:

The World Boxing Council worked tirelessly through a process that began over two years ago to secure the celebration of the highly anticipated fight between Miguel Cotto and Saul “Canelo” Alvarez. The WBC is proud of that accomplishment that is giving boxing fans around the world a very important fight to see.
After several weeks of communications, countless attempts and good faith time extensions trying to preserve the fight as a WBC World Championship, Miguel Cotto and his promotion did not agree to comply with the WBC Rules & Regulations, while Saúl Alvarez has agreed to do so. Accordingly, the WBC must rule on the matter prior to the fight.

The WBC hereby announces that effective immediately has withdrawn recognition of Miguel Cotto as WBC World Middleweight Champion. If Saul “Canelo” Alvarez wins the fight against Cotto, he will be recognized as the WBC middleweight world champion.

The WBC’s decision is premised on the fact that Miguel Cotto and his camp are not willing to abide by the governing WBC Rules & Regulations, and the specific conditions the WBC established to sanction the fight. Simply put: they are not willing to respect the very same rules and conditions which applied to Cotto becoming WBC champion. The WBC wishes Miguel Cotto the best of luck as we truly regret the course of action which led to them taking such decision.

The WBC is a non-profit governing organization founded 53 years ago. The WBC has implemented all of the current rules in the sport, paving the way to much safer boxing. The WBC creates, implements and enforces, its Rules & Regulations to bring safety, order, unity, justice and equality to a sport that was marred with abuse and unfairness. Since the first day of existence of our organization, the WBC has taken countless actions for the protection of the boxer and it is a fact that most if not all boxers dream of conquering the green belt.

The WBC stands by its honorability and will not participate in the abuse of power and greediness, which has taken our boxing world to regrettable actions from different parties. The WBC wishes the promotion great success and we are satisfied that this great fight for boxing will be enjoyed by millions of fans around the world.

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walshb

He was never a MW champ to begin with. Wasn't his challenge against Sergio at a catchweight?

Henno30

pac_man wrote: »

Read an article that was a bit vague basically saying that Cotto didn't comply to WBC rules. Anyone care to suggest the reason why he was stripped of his title?

Almost certainly refusing to pay sanction fees.

If he wins he can avoid Golovkin with much less embarrassment now.

Henno30

walshb wrote: »

He was never a MW champ to begin with. Wasn't his challenge against Sergio at a catchweight?

Don't think that matters.

Diddley Squat

I think they're going to look like fighters in two different weight classes.

Canelo is much the bigger man here, but he's slow and Cotto can time him.

As much as I am rooting for Cotto , I still believe it ends with Canelo by KO

walshb

Henno30 wrote: »

Don't think that matters.

It matters to me. I do not recognise him as a MW champ.

weemcd

This is a good fight. A few months ago I didn't give Cotto a chance.

But the weight may pose problems for Canelo who is a little slow and plodding at times.

I'm gonna have a look at the weigh ins, but this one might be closer than first imagined. I just don't know where Cotto is in the pecking order, he had a good account of himself against Mayweather, a bad loss to Trout, a win where he looked sensational against Martinez who was on one leg and a win against Daniel Geale who I know nothing about.

Can't wait to watch as Cotto has long been a favourite of mine. Rigo on the undercard also should be good value

StringerBell

Can't believe how quiet this thread is, can't wait for this. Hope it lives up to my expectations

Henno30

Live stream of the weigh-in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvPreSDMKdM

Henno30

Cotto 153.5
Canelo 155

Littlehorny

^^^ Middleweight championship and the heavier man only weighs 155, what a joke. Two good quality fighters but i wish they had the honesty to admit that its not a bout that determines who is the middleweight champ.

Deiseboy01

He beat the lineal MW champ, irrespective of injuries, so he's the champion my book.

I do not agree with the imposition of catchweight restrictions since though, if he wanted to keep the title he should have allowed his opponents fight at the weight.

Henno30

Cotto has the lineage, but he's one of those fighters who cheapens the lineage rather than enhances it.

He will never be thought of as a middleweight champion of any significance.

Littlehorny

Exactly... Would love to hear Marvin Hagler's opinion on this.

clubwelly

Wasn't Cotto Martinez a catchweight aswell?

Would yous recon Canelo had to loose much to get hit 155?

I heard this morning that Lee Haskins is the new IBF champ as Randy Cabrelloa was 5 pounds over the weight limit

walshb

clubwelly wrote: »

Wasn't Cotto Martinez a catchweight aswell?

Would yous recon Canelo had to loose much to get hit 155?

I heard this morning that Lee Haskins is the new IBF champ as Randy Cabrelloa was 5 pounds over the weight limit

Hold on. Is this bout at a 155 catchweight?

If so, lineage can fook off. Joke shop!

clubwelly

Yeah Walshb it was a 155lbs catchweight bout.

pac_man - I dunno what the story is with the costs but I know they turned down a catchweight bout with Cabrello but at the end of the day not Lee Haskins fault his opponent was 5 pounds. Didn't even make the super bantamweight limit

menoscemo

2 fights in a row that Cotto weighs in under the LMW limit :rolleyes:

megadodge

Diddley Squat wrote: »

I think they're going to look like fighters in two different weight classes.

Canelo is much the bigger man here, but he's slow and Cotto can time him.

As much as I am rooting for Cotto , I still believe it ends with Canelo by KO

Between black and white, there are numerous shades of grey!

Henno30

Is there a thread for Abraham-Murray? I think Murray might finally capture a title tonight.

Deiseboy01

I think the GGG fight took an awful lot out of Murray, that's why I'm edging towards Arthur. The Murray that took Martinez all the way probably beats Abraham but I think he may be on the way down, certainly hasn't impressed at SMW to date.

boxer.fan

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

I think the GGG fight took an awful lot out of Murray, that's why I'm edging towards Arthur. The Murray that took Martinez all the way probably beats Abraham but I think he may be on the way down, certainly hasn't impressed at SMW to date.

Murray is never overly busy in the ring which doesn't help. Abraham carries a very high closed guard which won't help.

Littlehorny

Read today that some people at the weigh in thought Canelo looked drained, probably won't mean much as he's the younger, fresher man anyway but, then again?

Diddley Squat

Mosley said Canelo was much quicker than he expected, however I can't see it.
Think Canelo overpowers Cotto tonight .

Canelo by KO , but I really hope Cotto beats the brakes off him

Diddley Squat

Littlehorny wrote: »

Read today that some people at the weigh in thought Canelo looked drained,

Its just that he's a white as a sheet

Deiseboy01

boxer.fan wrote: »

Murray is never overly busy in the ring which doesn't help. Abraham carries a very high closed guard which won't help.

Went as we expected I think, has Murray worked harder he may have sneaked it.

cowzerp

pac_man wrote: »

Didn't get to see the Murray fight, was the scoring a fair reflection of the fight?

It was, was close but Abraham definitely won

megadodge

pac_man wrote: »

Didn't get to see the Murray fight, was the scoring a fair reflection of the fight?

It shouldn't have been a split. Abraham won fair and square. He was more active than normal and even though the punches thrown and landed were very close, Abraham's punches were far more effective.

megadodge

pac_man wrote: »

Nice start from Crolla. Not the prettiest style to look at but it's effective.

It's quite an entertaining fight. Close as well, could be some discrepancies in scorecards in this one.

megadodge

Crolla's jab is excellent. So consistent.
His workrate is phenomonal, I hope he can keep it up.

Andre 3000

Fair f*cks to Crolla. Great for his story and all...although I still don't think he's World Champ level worth at all.

megadodge

I wonder was there a broken rib or something, cos even as Perez was going down he shook his head instantaneously as if he knew he was finished?

Johner

Fair play to Crolla.

Crolla and Lee Haskins world champions though? Says it all.

Henno30

Murray just wasn't busy enough when Arthur was taking his rests. If you can't nullify Abraham during his spurts, then you need to be peppering him with shots when he's in his lulls. It's not easy because of the high guard but Murray needed to seal those rounds in the first two minutes. He left too many of them up in the air and AA did his usual party trick.

IWJ

My money's on Cotto- Experience and still in great shape.

What time does it start and any HD links?

Any pubs showing it?

cowzerp

Rigondeaux is boring, Hopefully show picks up from now.

qwabercd

Main event on after this?

Henno30

Just got up. Can't believe Rigo brought that opponent the distance.

price690

Henno30 wrote: »

Just got up. Can't believe Rigo brought that opponent the distance.

Actually wouldn't be surprised if Rigo took it easy in the hope of some of his rivals fancying their chances more.

Maybe Quigg, Frampton, Santa Cruz et al might have a false sense of confidence

Henno30

price690 wrote: »

Actually wouldn't be surprised if Rigo took it easy in the hope of some of his rivals fancying their chances more.

Maybe Quigg, Frampton, Santa Cruz et al might have a false sense of confidence

Doubt it to be honest. He just doesn't seem to get it.

Henno30

Ridiculous cards. Canelo won but those scores are ridiculous.

Miccoli

Deserved victory , hopefully canelo takes on golovkin now.

walshb

Cotto's lack of power was the difference.

walshb

If I was Crolla I'd retire a 'world champion,' because I reckon I'd take the belt off him....

megadodge

Just watched it now and I had Canelo winning by just one round!

I know there were some very close rounds, but I am flabbergasted by the wideness of the judges scorecards.
And I'm a Canelo admirer!

I thought my old criticism of Canelo being too patient was going to come back to haunt him, but I thought he pulled it out in the late rounds.

Just listening to the interviews and as suspected Canelo is keen to fight Golovkin. Let's get it on!

walshb

The usual lot of close rds means nobody should be surprised at the cards. Cotto wasn't really winning the rds. Canelo was mostly in charge and controlling and landing the telling shots. Overall it was a dull fight.

Gaygooner

I want Canelo and GGG please!!!!

StringerBell

GGG sparks Canelo in a proper MW fight imo, ok maybe I can see a couple of scenario's it goes to decision but I would be betting on a stoppage.