CI Licence

Mikoooo

With a limited licence can you only do races that your own club runs or can you do other clubs races, any info on this would be much appreciate .

lennymc

Road race - You can race in club leagues and in open races organised by your club only. To race in open races organised by other clubs you must have a full competition licence

Beasty

You can race non-open (club) races put on by other clubs, but as they are non-open they are by invite

CramCycle

You can also do track, MTB and other disciplines, just not open road.

Beasty

CramCycle wrote: »

You can also do track, MTB and other disciplines, just not open road.

Any artistic cyclists out there?

In other words you may use a Limited Competition licence to compete in Track, BMX, Off-Road, Time-Trials, Hill-Climbs, Club Racing, Bicycle-polo and Artistic Cycling. This licence is not specific to one discipline, it covers them all. It does not include Open Road Racing.

SuperSean

Does a limited licence cover you for Cyclocross races aswell ?

Eamonnator

SuperSean wrote: »

Does a limited licence cover you for Cyclocross races aswell ?

Yes.

Mikoooo

Thanks for all the replays,I paid for a limited licence last night so here is looking forward to a few club races next year ,sure hope been 45 I have not left it to late 😂😂

Beasty

May as well mention it here - the CI portal has re-opened for renewals and new members - beat last year's number by 3 (and the 2 kids will each have No 1 to race in!)

lennymc

Beasty wrote: »

(and the 2 kids will each have No 1 to race in!)

Are they racing on their own?

Beasty

lennymc wrote: »

Are they racing on their own?

They can race me if they like, but as I no longer qualify for the U12 or U14 categories I think they may have to "move up" to A4 ......

They can race BMX though, and I'll be dragging them down for track accreditation in the Spring...

shaydy

Similar question, probably not worthy of a new thread....

What are the benefits of a Cycling Club paying a fee to the provincial cycle council in addition to the CI fee?

Beasty

shaydy wrote: »

Similar question, probably not worthy of a new thread....

What are the benefits of a Cycling Club paying a fee to the provincial cycle council in addition to the CI fee?

No choice - if based in Connaught, Leinster or Munster the provincial fee must be paid. In Ulster it's paid by members rather than clubs

shaydy

Beasty wrote: »

No choice - if based in Connaught, Leinster or Munster the provincial fee must be paid. In Ulster it's paid by members rather than clubs

Sure I get that, but not sure I get what the benefits of this fee are to a club?

Beasty

It means it's CI affiliated. That allows it to put on CI events. It also provides the club and it's officers (usually committee members) insurance, including professional indemnity insurance for any events it does promote.

Then there is whatever direct support is offered by the provincial exec itself, which may range from advice on various cycling disciplines to actively supporting riders and certain events

The only example of an non-affiliated club I can think of in Ireland currently is the IVCA which clearly flourishes as an independent organisation but relies on funds generated by the WW200 to support some of its activities (which includes sponsoring certain CI-sanctioned races such as the Ras na mBan and Junior Tour)

stecleary

any one else having issues with the LC license, Goes through ok and theen on the payment page ups it to an A4 license??

Ive restarted the application twice now and the same happens again

De Bhál

stecleary wrote: »

any one else having issues with the LC license, Goes through ok and theen on the payment page ups it to an A4 license??

Ive restarted the application twice now and the same happens again

Don't fight it, just let the computer decide.

Beasty

stecleary wrote: »

any one else having issues with the LC license, Goes through ok and theen on the payment page ups it to an A4 license??

Ive restarted the application twice now and the same happens again

It's strange, as I've just had a look at the CI portal and see you categorised as "Full competition" for 2015 but with a "LC" licence number (Other LCs are shown as "Limited Competition"). Would suggest you drop them an e-mail as they struggle to answer the phone particularly this time of year but seem to be able to deal with e-mails relatively quickly

stecleary

Beasty wrote: »

It's strange, as I've just had a look at the CI portal and see you categorised as "Full competition" for 2015 but with a "LC" licence number (Other LCs are shown as "Limited Competition"). Would suggest you drop them an e-mail as they struggle to answer the phone particularly this time of year but seem to be able to deal with e-mails relatively quickly

Just used the enquiry page on their website and CC'd the club sec.

strange one alright

Beasty

stecleary wrote: »

Just used the enquiry page on their website and CC'd the club sec.

strange one alright

Club sec won't have a clue, although he'll probably drop me an e-mail to ask if I have one .....

stecleary

Beasty wrote: »

Club sec won't have a clue, although he'll probably drop me an e-mail to ask if I have one .....

Was more thinking I'd be letting him know there's an issue, can't be dealing with all them friendly reminders to renew my license

Leroy42

What is the blurb about the Masters (M30, M40 etc) licence about.

I want to do open racing in 2016 but do I simply select Full licence as there is a box to apply for M40.

Is there a need/difference?

The tax man

stecleary wrote: »

any one else having issues with the LC license, Goes through ok and theen on the payment page ups it to an A4 license??

Ive restarted the application twice now and the same happens again

Yep, same deal for me. :mad:

stecleary

The tax man wrote: »

Yep, same deal for me. :mad:

Let them know about it please, not so they'll fix it but so I don't look like a gobsheen

The tax man

stecleary wrote: »

Let them know about it please, not so they'll fix it but do I don't look like a gobsheen

I got in touch with them via the same channels as yourself. I told them others were having the same issue.

morana

ah good old CI licensing season and all the issues associated with it!

let the fun and games begin!

Hunterbiker

Trying to set up a direct debit doesn't seem to want to work this morning. Sent them an email - saves €4 to do a recurring payment via dd and saves the hassle of logging in to pay it every year I suppose.

The tax man

Just got an email saying the LC licence issue is sorted. Tried it myself and it worked.

Beasty

Anyone applied for the leisure licence yet? Heard a rumour that it was still being charged at €35!!

stecleary

The tax man wrote: »

Just got an email saying the LC licence issue is sorted. Tried it myself and it worked.

Got the mail alright, won't be able to test until this evening, Bloody web developers never get anything right 😡

Hunterbiker

Beasty wrote: »

Anyone applied for the leisure licence yet? Heard a rumour that it was still being charged at €35!!

When I put my renewal through (before I elected to pay by DD) it was showing as €40
They deducted €4 when I wanted to pay by DD (but then didn't confirm the DD set-up)

xebec

Beasty wrote: »

Anyone applied for the leisure licence yet? Heard a rumour that it was still being charged at €35!!

Licence fee of €35 and then a separate line item for province fee of €5 bring total to €40.

Beasty

xebec wrote: »

Licence fee of €35 and then a separate line item for province fee of €5 bring total to €40.

That explains it

Thanks

devonp

previously registered as an event rider but never took out the license
now cannot get to the purchase license section
really annoying...system just go's round in a loop asking for details fill out boxes etc but never gets to the license part....:(
once again whats the deal ...??
the system does see me as a member...am i a returning member then?

CramCycle

stecleary wrote: »

Got the mail alright, won't be able to test until this evening, Bloody web developers never get anything right 😡

As was asked at the AGM 3 years ago (I think), why did they give the job to Aszolve? There was no tender AFAIK. Its not a complicated design to structure it right. Give the money to the computer science department in UCD or some other third level institution and have it as a 4th year project and you would have gotten a better system, you would have also contributed to our countries education system as well as had a motivated person who wants a gold star for their CV as well as job to return to part time as a nixer of sorts.

shaydy

Beasty wrote: »

It means it's CI affiliated. That allows it to put on CI events. It also provides the club and it's officers (usually committee members) insurance, including professional indemnity insurance for any events it does promote.

Then there is whatever direct support is offered by the provincial exec itself, which may range from advice on various cycling disciplines to actively supporting riders and certain events

The only example of an non-affiliated club I can think of in Ireland currently is the IVCA which clearly flourishes as an independent organisation but relies on funds generated by the WW200 to support some of its activities (which includes sponsoring certain CI-sanctioned races such as the Ras na mBan and Junior Tour)

Thanks Beasty but this still leaves me perplexed, I thought all of the above was linked to the clubs fee and affiliation with CI?

So last year as a new leisure cycle club we had to pay two fees, the first one was 100 to Irish Cycling Federation and the second one was 130 to Cycling Leinster Federation.

Is all of what you say above not covered by the 100 to Irish Cycling Federation?

As a new club I don't think we've had any interaction with the provincial body, lots of interaction and help from CI in the set up of the club which was a great help. I suppose, right now I don't see the benefit to the fee but I'm sure i'm missing something

Beasty

CramCycle wrote: »

As was asked at the AGM 3 years ago (I think), why did they give the job to Aszolve? There was no tender AFAIK. Its not a complicated design to structure it right. Give the money to the computer science department in UCD or some other third level institution and have it as a 4th year project and you would have gotten a better system, you would have also contributed to our countries education system as well as had a motivated person who wants a gold star for their CV as well as job to return to part time as a nixer of sorts.

Don't know if anything was put out to tender but do recall it was mentioned they had done something similar for Scottish Cycling which perhaps suggests they do have some experience in this area.

Not sure I would automatically assume Asolve is at fault. I don't know the terms of any contract and it's possible that CI have simply engaged some UCD student to help update everything after the AGM, and it could be them who screwed up:pac:

jamesd

shaydy wrote: »

Thanks Beasty but this still leaves me perplexed, I thought all of the above was linked to the clubs fee and affiliation with CI?

So last year as a new leisure cycle club we had to pay two fees, the first one was 100 to Irish Cycling Federation and the second one was 130 to Cycling Leinster Federation.

Is all of what you say above not covered by the 100 to Irish Cycling Federation?

As a new club I don't think we've had any interaction with the provincial body, lots of interaction and help from CI in the set up of the club which was a great help. I suppose, right now I don't see the benefit to the fee but I'm sure i'm missing something

Same with our new leisure club, do not get any benefit from the provincial fee over the last 2 years.

CramCycle

Beasty wrote: »

Don't know if anything was put out to tender but do recall it was mentioned they had done something similar for Scottish Cycling which perhaps suggests they do have some experience in this area.

It wasn't put out to tender, my point was that for all the flaws, year on year, I would have hoped a better more comprehensive solution.

It is not that difficult a job, from my limited understanding, and given bugs in the first year, there should have been no real issues in the second year. I have worked with guys who would have set it up on their own and have it bug tested to death before the first public outing.

Just my opinion. It irked me at the time considering the amount spent that more thought was not put into it. It looked like the board Googled a solution and went with the first company on the list or just took a recommendation from a mate in cycling Scotland.

I just got shrugged off when I brought it up.

CramCycle

Beasty wrote: »

Not sure I would automatically assume Asolve is at fault. I don't know the terms of any contract and it's possible that CI have simply engaged some UCD student to help update everything after the AGM, and it could be them who screwed up:pac:

I am sure that someone not from Asolve has some doings as the issues seem to be dealt with via the office, which if true, is even worse considering the money spent.

stecleary

CramCycle wrote: »

As was asked at the AGM 3 years ago (I think), why did they give the job to Aszolve? There was no tender AFAIK. Its not a complicated design to structure it right. Give the money to the computer science department in UCD or some other third level institution and have it as a 4th year project and you would have gotten a better system, you would have also contributed to our countries education system as well as had a motivated person who wants a gold star for their CV as well as job to return to part time as a nixer of sorts.

My comment about web developers was a light hearted one, I work in IT and have years of experience thinking you have everything covered and as soon as it goes live it can highlight the simplest of mistakes.

The issue Id see having students working on it is maintenance, you could have a really talented dev build a site a less talented dev would struggle to keep a year later.

morana

have to agree with the leisure guys here. they pay a fee to a Province but for what? They will also pay an additional €10 in licence fee but for what.

Beasty

morana wrote: »

have to agree with the leisure guys here. they pay a fee to a Province but for what? They will also pay an additional €10 in licence fee but for what.

Just on that tenner point. That was the final increase but only 5 of it is allocated to provinces under the Munster AGM motion.

Leroy42

It says that signing up for a CI LC licence gives you priority entry to sportive.

Which sportive is that? I assume that most people will take that all priority to all sportives.

But either way, as CI doesn't actually run the events (at least that is my understanding) then how can they say you get prority?

Or is it the Dublin Bike Ride (which is the only sportive that CI ran I am aware of).

It really should be made clearer on the page

Carawaystick

My renewal from this evening is good until 31 January 2015 according to the email I just got from CI...

brianomc

Hunterbiker wrote: »

When I put my renewal through (before I elected to pay by DD) it was showing as €40
They deducted €4 when I wanted to pay by DD (but then didn't confirm the DD set-up)

Same for me, I've emailed them but I'd say they will be busy for a few days so I'm not expecting a reply too soon.

Beasty

brianomc wrote: »

Same for me, I've emailed them but I'd say they will be busy for a few days so I'm not expecting a reply too soon.

I know Ciaran McKenna was suggesting the fact it is difficult to get through on the phone is an issue so far as he is concerned, but I've always found them very good at responding to e-mails. Indeed I've seen an example today where they dealt with on one of the issues mentioned earlier in this thread certainly within a day

The tax man

Beasty wrote: »

I know Ciaran McKenna was suggesting the fact it is difficult to get through on the phone is an issue so far as he is concerned, but I've always found them very good at responding to e-mails. Indeed I've seen an example today where they dealt with on one of the issues mentioned earlier in this thread certainly within a day

Can't fault their timing over the issue I and others highlighted. Got the automated response of getting back to you within 48 hours. Received a response in under 12 hours with the issue sorted.

morana

Surely now with the DD they can just finally give a plastic 5 year licence to riders who will not be participating in UCI events!!!!

wer*

Carawaystick wrote: »

My renewal from this evening is good until 31 January 2015 according to the email I just got from CI...

The same happened to me earlier this week when I went through the renewal process. Sent CI an email and my "new" 2015 license will get moved to 2015

CramCycle

morana wrote: »

Surely now with the DD they can just finally give a plastic 5 year licence to riders who will not be participating in UCI events!!!!

Makes sense, colleges started that a few years ago, rather than reprinting IDs every year, you get one in year one and then have to pay for a replacement one if you lose if over the life of your course. Cut down on the cost of student cards by >70%, would make sense for leisure members who apply for the 5 year membership