Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

silverharp

long range shooter wrote: »

Is there no IS recruitment in Canada?No extreme side of Islam whatsoever?
Strange?

estimates of 130 canadians in ISIS , they aint catholics :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjXYRwhpSzE

long range shooter

Billy86 wrote: »

Does Europe practice murder and burglary?

No ,but you get your arms or legs ut off for burglary,or stoned to death or hanged for adultery,in sharia law.

Nodin

long range shooter wrote: »

No ,but you get your arms or legs ut off for burglary,or stoned to death or hanged for adultery,in sharia law.

....there's a slim possibility that in some way that remark is pertinent to the discussion but I certainly can't see it.

eeepaulo

IrishTrajan wrote: »

You know, when people dismiss the surveys without even reading them, I tend to err on the side of caution and not believe people's personal anecdotes in favour of statistics.

You are confusing a survey with a news article.

http://www.icmunlimited.com/media-centre/press/isis-poll-for-rossiya-segodnya

An ICM poll on behalf of the Russian news agency Rossiya Segodnya tested the awareness of the group ISIS (previously known as the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant), in three European nations; Great Britain, France and Germany. The poll revealed that overall 2% and 7% say they are very favourable and somewhat favourable towards ISIS but a greater 26% and 43% are somewhat unfavourable and very unfavourable towards ISIS.

ICM interviewed 3,007 respondents in three countries; GB (1,000), France (1,006) and Germany (1,001) by telephone between 11th-21st July 2014. Surveys were conducted across each country and the results have been weighted to the profile of each nation. ICM is a member of the British Polling Council and abides by its rules.

GB – respondents were selected by random digit dialling (85% landline, 15% mobile) and interviews were conducted by a live interviewer. Responses were weighted to age, gender, region, social class, tenure, employment and cars in household.

France – respondents were selected by random digit dialling (80% landline, 20% mobile) and interviews were conducted by a live interviewer. Responses were weighted to age, gender, profession of head of household and Agglomeration category.

Germany – respondents were selected by random digit dialing (100% landline) and interviews were conducted by an automated voice service (IVR). Responses were weighted to age, gender and region.

The details are non existent, but hey it's statistics.

No doubt for the next 10 years we will be reading articles quoting this as up to date fact.

tigger123

Not sure if it's been posted or not, but the below article is from March and well worth a read. It gives an amazing insight into what ISIS is trying to achieve. It's pretty terrifying.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

long range shooter

Nodin wrote: »

....there's a slim possibility that in some way that remark is pertinent to the discussion but I certainly can't see it.

but it excists doesnt it?Or are you trying to derail it again as you always do?

Billy86

long range shooter wrote: »

No ,but you get your arms or legs ut off for burglary,or stoned to death or hanged for adultery,in sharia law.

So Europeans do not tolerate nor practice murder or burglary, just like Europeans do not tolerate not practice the likes of "Sharia police".

long range shooter

Billy86 wrote: »

So Europeans do not tolerate nor practice murder or burglary, just like Europeans do not tolerate not practice the likes of "Sharia police".

There is no death penalties in any Europen country.

Billy86

Snake Plisken wrote: »

What about this follower of Islam from last year?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_shootings_at_Parliament_Hill,_Ottawa

Do try reading the thread in future. This was covered only a few posts back.

Billy86

long range shooter wrote: »

There is no death penalties in any Europen country.

I see you've never been to Belarus, so!

long range shooter

Billy86 wrote: »

I see you've never been to Belarus, so!

Well thats one of the reason why they are not part of the Europen council.

Billy86

long range shooter wrote: »

Well thats one of the reason why they are not part of the Europen council.

They are a European country. Thankfully most other European countries have got rid of the death penalty over the last 25-40 years. Hopefully Belarus and the USA can continue that trend.

long range shooter

Billy86 wrote: »

They are a European country. Thankfully most other European countries have got rid of the death penalty over the last 25-40 years. Hopefully Belarus and the USA can continue that trend.

I agree with that.

Martypants1

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Opressed?

Do me a favour. There is no-one "opressed" in Western Europe. What there are are people who wish to live outside of Western norms, well do you know what? Fúck them. Integrate, or go elsewhere where your ideas are welcome tbh, but don't try to impose medieval, religious nonsense on the rest of us, then get all uppity when normal people don't want to live like that.

Do you not know about the Sykes - Picot agreement? It's not about being opressed in Europe. It's about being opressed in their own homes.

Snake Plisken

Billy86 wrote: »

Do try reading the thread in future. This was covered only a few posts back.

Sorry some of us have lives outside of boards and don't have the time or will to read through the trollish crap posts you and Nidin post on here! But i suspect your going to say he was mentally ill, the usual excuses used to defend Islamic murderers!

Billy86

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Sorry some of us have lives outside of boards and don't have the time or will to read through the trollish crap posts you and Nidin post on here! But i suspect your going to say he was mentally ill, the usual excuses used to defend Islamic murderers!

Good job on the back seat modding, but do feel free to explain his dozen previous convictions and criminal history prior to converting to Islam.

bodhrandude

Whats happened, thread seems to have died off.

bodhrandude

bodhrandude wrote: »

Whats happened, thread seems to have died off.

after 6000 odd posts, there isn't much more to say.

The Rape of Lucretia

other than activity and arrests ongoing tonight in Bruxelles with some of the same nutters :

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-34889312

Harry Palmr

bodhrandude wrote: »

Whats happened, thread seems to have died off.

There are no more Koran extracts left to debate.

The Rape of Lucretia

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

other than activity and arrests ongoing tonight in Bruxelles with some of the same nutters :

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-34889312

Press conference from Brussels due to start shortly.

Reports of arrests and gunfire exchanged.

Gaygooner

Cats terrorise Brussels, Andrew Lloyd Webber in custody

topmanamillion

Billy86 wrote: »

Quick question - why is Toronto not suffering from any such problems, with an 8% Muslim population, which is higher than almost any European country?

I'd love to tell you there was some reason that could easily be applied to France and the rest of Europe but it just boils down to luck.

Alexis Sanchez

Billy86 wrote: »

Quick question - why is Toronto not suffering from any such problems, with an 8% Muslim population, which is higher than almost any European country?

It's because of Canada's strict immigration control, something the left vehemently oppose here in Europe. When Nigel Farage was calling for a Canadian or Australian immigration system, many left wing morons called him and UKIP racist for doing so, yet the system Farage supports is the closest thing to a multicultural utopia the left fantasizes about. Although, the new left wing government seem to be as wacky as European ones, so I expect Canada to open its borders a bit and suffer the consequences.

Billy86

Alexis Sanchez wrote: »

It's because of Canada's strict immigration control, something the left vehemently oppose here in Europe. When Nigel Farage was calling for a Canadian or Australian immigration system, many left wing morons called him and UKIP racist for doing so, yet the system Farage supports is the closest thing to a multicultural utopia the left fantasizes about. Although, the new left wing government seem to be as wacky as European ones, so I expect Canada to open its borders a bit and suffer the consequences.

So what you're saying is, Muslims are not the problem and that it is something else?

Though it really does depend what kind of border controls you are talking about. I think it is 20% of people in Canada were not born here, with the number being 50% in Toronto, and with regards to refugees for example, Canada has a higher per capita refugee population than all but six European countries. Like I said previously, Trudeau won in part because he wanted to take on more refugees from the middle east than the 10,000 that the previous party had aimed for. It would be interesting to see what connections there are between Canada's lack of problems other countries with high diversity struggle with (including the US), and with the attitudes of those whose families have lived here for generations.

Nodin

Alexis Sanchez wrote: »

It's because of Canada's strict immigration control, something the left vehemently oppose here in Europe. When Nigel Farage was calling for a Canadian or Australian immigration system, many left wing morons called him and UKIP racist for doing so, yet the system Farage supports is the closest thing to a multicultural utopia the left fantasizes about. Although, the new left wing government seem to be as wacky as European ones, so I expect Canada to open its borders a bit and suffer the consequences.

All the attackers identified were born in France, and the Syrian ID found was fake, so I'm not sure what use the Canadian or Australian immigration system would do.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34832512

kettlehead

Nodin wrote: »

All the attackers identified were born in France, and the Syrian ID found was fake, so I'm not sure what use the Canadian or Australian immigration system would do.

False. Read this mornings news.

The third suicide bomber who blew himself up outside of Paris’ Stade de France stadium last week has been identified by BBC as a man who arrived at the Greek island of Leros together with another attacker called Ahmad al Mohammad.

kettlehead

Billy86 wrote: »

So what you're saying is, Muslims are not the problem and that it is something else?

Though it really does depend what kind of border controls you are talking about. I think it is 20% of people in Canada were not born here, with the number being 50% in Toronto, and with regards to refugees for example, Canada has a higher per capita refugee population than all but six European countries. Like I said previously, Trudeau won in part because he wanted to take on more refugees from the middle east than the 10,000 that the previous party had aimed for. It would be interesting to see what connections there are between Canada's lack of problems other countries with high diversity struggle with (including the US), and with the attitudes of those whose families have lived here for generations.

If the Canadians have their stuff together then perhaps we should follow their lead? Considering that circa 70% of "refugees" are young adult males, that would mean a lot of deportations.

Canada's Syrian refugee plan limited to women, children and families
Unaccompanied men not included because of ongoing security concerns

Nodin

kettlehead wrote: »

False. Read this mornings news.

...in which case seven of the nine were born in France.

RDM_83 again

Surprisingly well balanced article today on Islamic extremism in todays Guardian.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/22/islam-terror-morality-paris