Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

Nodin

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Where's my white feather dammit!

Can't have one, foriegners ate all the birdies.

Bannasidhe

Nodin wrote: »

Can't have one, foriegners ate all the birdies.

Why the hell did we let them in???

Nodin

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Why the hell did we let them in???

Peter Sutherland did, on behalf of the muslamic lesbic liberal agenda.

Bannasidhe

Nodin wrote: »

Peter Sutherland did, on behalf of the muslamic lesbic liberal agenda.

What an Utter Utter Barstard :mad:

Eugene Norman

The whole racism thing is nonsense. Firstly Lebanon was reported by the media. Secondly the dead in Paris were multi-racial.

Also it's closer.

RobertKK

That footage of the terror in Paris, someone let off firecrackers last night and everyone went running for cover.

In one way showing the footage was not good, I mean, all terrorists would have to do is: do something similar and have the people running into harms ways.

Living with fear is no way to live, and it is clear that is the case right now for Paris given the warning IS gave.

wakka12

Eugene Norman wrote: »

The whole racism thing is nonsense. Firstly Lebanon was reported by the media. Secondly the dead in Paris were multi-racial.

Also it's closer.

Also most Lebanese people look European more than what we'd consider 'arab' appearance

Ash.J.Williams

TommyKnocker wrote: »

And THAT is exactly what people are on about I believe.

43 innocent people were blown up in Lebanon at an open air market the day before the Paris attack at the hands of the same extremist group and it did not get much/any coverage in the main stream media. Granted the Paris attack had 3 times as many casualties, but it was all over the news, social media in minutes and had people changing their profile photos to the French tricolor and adding "Je Suis Pairs" to the statuses. Facebook itself had/has a "safe" feature so people in Paris can let their loved ones know that they are safe. And all this is good.

However some people, quite rightly in my opinion, question why only some innocent lives lost to terrorism are worthy of such a reaction. Where was the "Je suis Lebanon" the day before? or the FB "safe" option so people who have friends and family there could check on their loved ones?

This was not done to have a pop at people who have friends or family in Paris while having none in Lebanon. It is done to highlight the bias and what looks like racism in the main stream media and by many on social media.

exactly!

Orangebrigade

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Is that the best response you can come up with Orangeboy? Denial of facts in favour of a useless idiom.

The comparison isn't even valid, so why I bother with you is beyond me.

TommyKnocker

kunst nugget wrote: »

https://medium.com/@martinbelam/you-won-t-read-about-this-in-the-media-but-b275d46fd51f

Out of curiosity, did you put up anything yourself about the bombing in Lebanon on November 12th.

I did not say it was not reported, but it was not reported and reacted to to the level the Paris attack was and the Charlie Hebdro attack at the start of the year got pretty much the same response.

I put up a simple RIP message, same as I did for the Paris attack or pretty much any such attack I hear about.

kupus wrote: »

I have more friends in Paris than i do Lebanon as do a lot more people here i imagine.
This does not happen much in Europe whereas fighting in middle east is ongoing.

its not racism so get that stupid logic out of your head or youll end up like some of the other posters here with their heads either up their own azz or buried completely under the sand.

As I said I understand that people around Europe will have more friends/family living in/visiting France than Lebanon, but again globally on FB the number of people who used the French Tricolor as their photo and Je suis Paris as their status was HUGE. Not once did I come across a Lebanese flag or Je suis Lebanon.

smash wrote: »

It's not racist though. How can you say it's racist?

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Racism ? Behave ffs.

Do you know that this is the 5th bombing this year in Lebanon ?

That there were 16 last year ? 6 in 2013 ? Multiple shootings down the years ?
A perfect quote on reddit: You don't report a fire in a furnace.

Beirut is not 'forgotten', it has been in every major news outlet. It is perfectly normal for Europeans to be more shocked about Paris being attacked like this than Beirut, just like very likely people from countries around Lebanon will be more shocked about that.

The way some people here and on social media make it into be a point scoring contest is pathetic.

Most of them probably don't even know where Lebanon is if you give them a map.

wakka12 wrote: »

Also most Lebanese people look European more than what we'd consider 'arab' appearance

I did not mean to imply I thought it racist, but this is a comment I read numerous times from people talking about no coverage of the Lebanese attack. Sorry, I probably should have worded that better.

kleefarr

You have to remember, that in all walks of life there are those who are completely happy to follow their chosen religion or no religion at all and to do so in peace and harmony.
Then we have the extreme. We all know what happens when the extremists get going, but there is no reason to assume all Muslims are extremists.

Colonialboy

There's nothing that will fix the pain. I feel priviledged to be there for their last breaths. And truly beliving that I would join them, I promise that their last thoughts were not on the animals who caused all this. It was thinking of the people they loved. As i lay down in the blood of strangers and waiting for my bullet to end my mere 22 years, I envisioned every face that I have ever loved and whispered I love you. over and over again. reflecting on the highlights of my life. Wishing that those i love knew just how much, wishing that they knew that no matter what happened to me, to keep belieivng in the good in people. to not let those men win. Last night, the lives of many were forever changed and it is up to us to be better people. to live lives that the innocent victims of this tragedy dreamt about but sadly will now never be able to fulfil. RIP angels. You will never be forgotten.

https://www.facebook.com/isobel.bowdery/posts/10153885280769893

JPNelsforearm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I don't find mass killings funny in the slightest no matter who the victims are.

I have read the 1641 Depositions and didn't even raise a smile reading how 4,000 settlers in Ulster were murdered - not even the witness accounts of how men, women and children were burned alive in Kilmore.

I also didn't laugh as I translated reports from Irish about the hanging of children by Richard Bingham during the conquest of Mayo in 1586 - I searched the records and did years of genealogical research to find out their names so finally their deaths would be recorded albeit nearly 500 years later.


But then I spend a lot of time reading of atrocities carried out at different times by different people and they all have the same stupid justifications so I just don't find barbaric slaughter amusing - no matter who has carried it out or in what cause.

You obviously do.

I have no sympathy for any coloniser, be they islamic in the case of the Bangladeshis in Burma or otherwise, they can hide behind, and use women and children as human shields and then cry when the native population try to expel them. I laugh at your crocodile tears, your naiveté and defence of colonialism because you want to appear to be morally superior, your attitude leads to extinction, if men were not willing to do unpalatable things to protect their tribe and culture, language and genetics, most nations and people wouldnt exist, a diverse europe would not exist, we would probably all be Mongolians.
Its the same with Islam, a sect that has been in constant war with Europe, we would be part of a greater Islamic state if men were not willing to stand up and die over the centuries, men like Lazar of Serbia. You are a naive fool with a tenuous grasp of history, who would see Europe fall just so you can be right on, tolerant and nice.

JPNelsforearm

TommyKnocker wrote: »

I did not say it was not reported, but it was not reported and reacted to to the level the Paris attack was and the Charlie Hebdro attack at the start of the year got pretty much the same response.

I put up a simple RIP message, same as I did for the Paris attack or pretty much any such attack I hear about.



As I said I understand that people around Europe will have more friends/family living in/visiting France than Lebanon, but again globally on FB the number of people who used the French Tricolor as their photo and Je suis Paris as their status was HUGE. Not once did I come across a Lebanese flag or Je suis Lebanon.








I did not mean to imply I thought it racist, but this is a comment I read numerous times from people talking about no coverage of the Lebanese attack. Sorry, I probably should have worded that better.

Man in "culture shock" as he finds different parts of the world share a common culture and thus relate to that common culture more readily and easier then others.

TommyKnocker

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Man in "culture shock" as he finds different parts of the world share a common culture and thus relate to that common culture more readily and easier then others.

That must be it. Thanks for opening my eyes :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Bannasidhe

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

I have no sympathy for any coloniser, be they islamic in the case of the Bangladeshis in Burma or otherwise, they can hide behind, and use women and children as human shields and then cry when the native population try to expel them. I laugh at your crocodile tears, your naiveté and defence of colonialism because you want to appear to be morally superior, your attitude leads to extinction, if men were not willing to do unpalatable things to protect their tribe and culture, language and genetics, most nations and people wouldnt exist, a diverse europe would not exist, we would probably all be Mongolians.
Its the same with Islam, a sect that has been in constant war with Europe, we would be part of a greater Islamic state if men were not willing to stand up and die over the centuries, men like Lazar of Serbia. You are a naive fool with a tenuous grasp of history, who would see Europe fall just so you can be right on, tolerant and nice.

Glad I can provide you with someone to feel morally superior to.

That highlighted bit... LMAO.

jmayo

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I see the point of what I wrote which is that extremism begets extremism and if we abandon the liberal democratic principles which are the foundation of post-WWII Europe (that would be from 1945) ISIS will have won because our way of life will be destroyed sailed completely over your head.

Sorry I just found your slant in that post was "shure weren't the christians really bad/backward and the muslims good once upon a time".

As for extremism begets extremism...
The problem is that most politicans and media are now not taking account of what a fair chunk of the people want or more correctly do not want.

Nobody wants children washed up on a beach.
But then again a lot of people worry some of those kids will grow up to be a person that will get onto a loaded bus and kill everyone on board or hack the head off an off duty soldier.

A lot of people do not want wholesale immigration into Europe of a group of people who have been shown to create extremists intend on overthrowing the states in which they live.
Just look how many second generation muslims have turned to ultra extremism and have gone off to fight as jihadis.
Just look how many muslims have failed to integrate into secular western society and harbour the idea of implementing sharia law.

One of the reasons the extremists of the 30s developed and caused WWII was down to the very fact they were tolerated and placated.

You can't placate some people.
They are using your liberalism to defeat you.

arayess wrote: »

you think?

IS wants the caliphate where the can dance to the tune of sharia law.

Ehh there is no dancing or any melodic instruments.

They might celebrate with the odd stoning or hacking off heads.

You should check with our very own sharia proponent dr ali selim for other banned activities. :rolleyes:

mynameis905 wrote: »

Not really. The average muslim living in the west might be peaceful but there is huge support among the muslim community for the likes of sharia law. Their values are fundamentally opposed to western civilisation.

And this is the scary one.

The very fact they believe in changing our secular values and legal system, however shyt* it is, for an even worse draconian discriminatory one means they should not be welcome in our society nevermind placated by allowing them foster discrimination in their education establishments.

JPNelsforearm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Glad I can provide you with someone to feel morally superior to.

That highlighted bit... LMAO.

You clearly dont, you excuse colonialism because "OMG, the colonisers are muslims and are being slaughtered", here's a tip, dont try and colonise another country, be it through mass settlement("refugees" etc) or otherwise.
For a European example, look at Kosovo, muslims carve out a homeland in Serbia, because they would not integrate and want their own "homeland", its colonialism in the name of Islam, of course its excused and glossed over, same story in Burma. We had protestant conolialism in Ireland, although would you call it that? Whats your interpretation? Oppressed followers of Martin Luthor King attacked by xenophobic Irish racists as they try to carve out a new homeland for themselves....
And I dont feel morally superior to anyone, I despair at Irish people, our own land for one hundred years and they care not for the blood that went into freeing it, willing to have open borders, submit our sovreignty to the EU, we might as well rejoin the commonwealth with that attitude

questionmark?

Arne_Saknussem wrote: »

So apparently Anonymous have declared war on ISIS. Bet that's got them shaking in their boots...

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/anonymous-declares-war-on-islamic-state-after-paris-attacks-in-chilling-video-we-will-hunt-you-down/ar-BBn2jKh?li=AAaeUIW&ocid=mailsignoutmd

You'd be surprised at the damage these guys could do to ISIS communications. Remember anonymous won't care about hacking into ISIS communications, posting their names and pictures online which will come in pretty handy for the intelligence services.

Danger Fourpence

I actually think the likes of Anonymous are one of the best tools to battle against these guys.

bajer101

https://twitter.com/fatherwoIand/status/666235775776870400

silverharp

Interesting fact that the theatre targeted was Jewish owned up until a couple of months ago, so unlikely it was completely targeted at random


http://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-owners-recently-sold-pariss-bataclan-theater-where-is-killed-dozens/

Jewish owners recently sold Paris’s Bataclan theater, where IS killed dozens‘We’re devastated because we knew everyone who worked there,’ says former owner Pascal Laloux

The Bataclan theater, targeted in Friday night’s Paris terror attacks, was Jewish-owned for decades, but was sold two months ago, its former owners said.



French magazine Le Point said early Saturday that the Bataclan, where at least 80 people were massacred by Islamic State gunmen on Friday night, has for years been the target of anti-Zionist groups as the Jewish owners often put on pro-Israel events. The publication quoted a member of the extremist group Army of Islam, who told French security services in 2011 that, “We had planned an attack against the Bataclan because its owners are Jews.”


The Eagles of Death Metal, the band performing at the theater when the attacks began, played in Tel Aviv’s Barby club in July.

Pascal Laloux, one of the theater’s former owners, said Saturday that the theater was “sold in September after 40 years.”

smash

questionmark? wrote: »

YRemember anonymous won't care about hacking into ISIS communications, posting their names and pictures online which will come in pretty handy for the intelligence services.

They should team up with these guys: http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/a-crowdfunded-site-may-have-just-exposed-isis-using-google-maps--lkttr5bdXe

Bannasidhe

jmayo wrote: »

Sorry I just found your slant in that post was "shure weren't the christians really bad/backward and the muslims good once upon a time".

As for extremism begets extremism...
The problem is that most politicans and media are now not taking account of what a fair chunk of the people want or more correctly do not want.

Nobody wants children washed up on a beach.
But then again a lot of people worry some of those kids will grow up to be a person that will get onto a loaded bus and kill everyone on board or hack the head off an off duty soldier.

A lot of people do not want wholesale immigration into Europe of a group of people who have been shown to create extremists intend on overthrowing the states in which they live.
Just look how many second generation muslims have turned to ultra extremism and have gone off to fight as jihadis.
Just look how many muslims have failed to integrate into secular western society and harbour the idea of implementing sharia law.

One of the reasons the extremists of the 30s developed and caused WWII was down to the very fact they were tolerated and placated.

You can't placate some people.
They are using your liberalism to defeat you.

In a European context there was a point when Fundamentalist Christianity held sway and anything or anyone that did not conform was ruthlessly destroyed - at the same time much of the knowledge that was under threat was being preserved by the Caliphate of Cordoba. This is a historical fact which I raised when some people wanted to claim that Islam has always been a murderous, bloodthirsty religion that seeks to destroy Europe.

I just heard a security analyst (didn't catch his name) on Radio One make the same points I did about extremism and the need to win the battle against it. My concern is that there is a dangerous Right Wing element using this crisis to try and destroy Liberal Democratic Europe as surely as ISIS are. I don't care what the insignia on the black shirt that reigns by terror is - I care that we stop all of them.

Why have second generation Muslims turned to extremism - we need to find the answer to that question if we are going to stop it happening. Violence will not stop it - it will feed it.

This is not the same kind of threat as the Nazis so comparisons are not really accurate.

It is liberalism they are trying to defeat. Can you not see that?

Bannasidhe

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

You clearly dont, you excuse colonialism because "OMG, the colonisers are muslims and are being slaughtered", here's a tip, dont try and colonise another country, be it through mass settlement("refugees" etc) or otherwise.
For a European example, look at Kosovo, muslims carve out a homeland in Serbia, because they would not integrate and want their own "homeland", its colonialism in the name of Islam, of course its excused and glossed over, same story in Burma. We had protestant conolialism in Ireland, although would you call it that? Whats your interpretation? Oppressed followers of Martin Luthor King attacked by xenophobic Irish racists as they try to carve out a new homeland for themselves....
And I dont feel morally superior to anyone, I despair at Irish people, our own land for one hundred years and they care not for the blood that went into freeing it, willing to have open borders, submit our sovreignty to the EU, we might as well rejoin the commonwealth with that attitude

Gosh - I seem to have said so much between the lines.

Including the bizarre sight of Martin Luther King being attacked by Irish racists .

Enjoy working out when and which atrocities are good and which are bad and all the relativist jazz but leave me out of it please.

Call Me Jimmy

smash wrote: »

It's not racist though. How can you say it's racist?

Because racism duh

smash

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Because racism duh

Silly me

Peist2007

Eugene Norman wrote: »

The whole racism thing is nonsense. Firstly Lebanon was reported by the media. Secondly the dead in Paris were multi-racial.

Also it's closer.

Closer to Facebook headquarters?

Peist2007

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

I have no sympathy for any coloniser, be they islamic in the case of the Bangladeshis in Burma or otherwise, they can hide behind, and use women and children as human shields and then cry when the native population try to expel them. I laugh at your crocodile tears, your naiveté and defence of colonialism because you want to appear to be morally superior, your attitude leads to extinction, if men were not willing to do unpalatable things to protect their tribe and culture, language and genetics, most nations and people wouldnt exist, a diverse europe would not exist, we would probably all be Mongolians.
Its the same with Islam, a sect that has been in constant war with Europe, we would be part of a greater Islamic state if men were not willing to stand up and die over the centuries, men like Lazar of Serbia. You are a naive fool with a tenuous grasp of history, who would see Europe fall just so you can be right on, tolerant and nice.

So, what's your plan? Forcibly emove all Muslims from Europe and the West? Give us some specifics as opposed to the hot air above.

Orangebrigade

Somethings never change and you can understand the desperation of Europeans hundreds of years ago trying to keep Islam out from conquering them. In truth not much has changed.